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  1. [2:39 PM] Kain: ok, let's talk about this since nobody is.
  2. [2:39 PM] Kain: https://puu.sh/xczI3/71df6d2eb3.png
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  4. [2:40 PM] Kain: if I am reading this correctly, you got a guy banned for the crime of....telling you to use a different art program.
  5. [2:40 PM] Kain: just that, nothing else.
  6. [2:40 PM] Klox (Team Klockworx Leader): he then argued with Darky when she told him to stop... that also led to the ban...
  7. [2:41 PM] Kain: and how uh, extensive, was this argument.
  8. [2:42 PM] Klox (Team Klockworx Leader): very... I had to get 5 admins and the owner on it... he wasn't just assaulting me... but I was the only one who did anything about it
  9. [2:43 PM] Kain: I see.
  10. [2:44 PM] Kain: I doubt I'll ever get the full context to this, so slightly irrelevant.
  11. [2:46 PM] Klox (Team Klockworx Leader): this was an example of what he said:
  12. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/347811051309498368/347813474233221120/Capture.PNG
  13. [2:48 PM] Kain: see, even that doesn't make it clearer, and I don't actually trust you to give me a full chatlog that doesn't just have cherry-picked parts
  14. [2:49 PM] Kain: even if the guy was being a genuine ass, you do realize that this is a dangerous slippery slope to entertain if your main motivation was that they, ah, hurt your feelings by telling you to use something else.
  15. [2:49 PM] Klox (Team Klockworx Leader): it was the way that they said it...
  16. [2:49 PM] Kain: just the tone.
  17. [2:50 PM] Kain: ok, cool, already entertaining subjectivity.
  18. [2:51 PM] Kain: if he was being a problem and the final straw was telling you to use something else, that makes it even worse
  19. [2:53 PM] Kain: if all it takes is getting on your nerves to warrant a ban, then you can justify banning a guy for having a different opinion from you because he hurt your feelings, and other such minor offenses.
  20. [2:54 PM] Kain: that is not what 'game developers' are supposed to be about.
  21. [2:56 PM] Klox (Team Klockworx Leader): heck, as proven here, he was originally going to get a time out... and then me and Darky had a chat
  22. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/347811051309498368/347816029700882432/Capture.PNG
  23. [2:59 PM] Kain: I would ask what gave you the impression that a time-out wasn't going to be enough, but I don't trust that I'm ever going to get the full context of anything
  24. [2:59 PM] Kain: what I'm going to ask is whether you understand what I'm trying to say here.
  25. [3:02 PM] Klox (Team Klockworx Leader): well... I would've let the time-out go (at the time) ...and then he started to spam my DMs with excuses that are just bullsh**
  26. [3:04 PM] Kain: so, no, you don't get it and the rest of this conversation is pointless for either of us
  27. [3:06 PM] Klox (Team Klockworx Leader): I don't tend to get too many things...
  28. [3:12 PM] Kain: ok well, if you want to be an actual game developer rather than a wannabe nodev who talks about the craft and never actually does it, do not engage in bitch moves and expect support for your moves.
  29. [3:13 PM] Kain: if you're going to dislike a guy and/or get them banned, it had better be for quantifiable, objective and tangible reasons other than 'they hurt my feelings'
  30. [3:14 PM] Kain: even if you were justified this time, I don't like where that behavior tends to lead.
  31. [3:15 PM] Kain: and for whatever reason, I have to be the one to tell you this because no one is calling it out as absolutely stupid and unreasonable.
  32. [3:16 PM] Kain: if they're being hugely unproductive and braggy with next to nothing to show for it, great, do what you like
  33. [3:16 PM] Kain: especially if it's also affecting other people
  34. [3:17 PM] Kain: but if it's solely just you disliking a guy because you don't agree with their opinions, you need to do much much better than that.
  35. [3:17 PM] Klox (Team Klockworx Leader): I do tend to have an issue with my personality and the things I do... as I found out when Tyson Tan called me out on it on DA(edited)
  36. [3:17 PM] Kain: I figured as much.
  37. [3:19 PM] Kain: the addendum is probably to find better groups that don't engage in the whole cliquey bullshit and just do work with no drama whatsoever
  38. [3:19 PM] Kain: cause I suspect your group is one such clique.
  39. [3:20 PM] Klox (Team Klockworx Leader): I guess...?
  40. [3:21 PM] Kain: that's about all I want to say.
  41. [3:21 PM] Klox (Team Klockworx Leader): oh ok
  42. [3:21 PM] Kain: I sincerely hope all of this is sticking and I didn't write stern words for nothing
  43. [3:22 PM] Kain: but definitely remember the 'don't be a bitch' rule if nothing else.
  44. [3:22 PM] Klox (Team Klockworx Leader): ok
  45. [3:22 PM] Klox (Team Klockworx Leader): will do
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