Josh v. Fem

Josh v. Fem
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Josh Response 1

* Mars reacts 100x faster than baseline humans

 * He has a vibrating fist thing destroys stuff + can be used defensively

 * He has high injury tolerance

* Bowser's flames can instantly melt flesh from bone (which will also light the arena on fire) + he's way more durable than any of Fem's team + can punch in 1/10th of a second

* Tanjiro can beat better opponents via skill + gets stronger as fights progress

 * Too fast to be hit by any of Fem's team

 * His blade one shots

* Gives some calcs on how fast Tanjiro is

* Mars is faster than cars

* Mars has good striking

* Bowser is strong

* Fem's team has bad movement speed feats

Fem Response 1

* Fem's team can one shot

 * Steppenwolf has a sharp axe + is strong

 * Ditto for Guts (but sword) + has a ton of projectiles

 * Wolverine can cut concrete + hits through concrete

* Josh's team has no good piercing resistance + a history of hits staggering them

* Fem's team will land hits

 * Steppenwolf swats arrows out of the air + missiles + has a lot of reach

 * Guts also interacts with arrows favorable + is tall

 * Wolverine reacts to RPGs + claws extend reach

* All three can move quickly

* Breaks down why Josh's speed feats are bad

* Counters Josh's one shot claims

* Super senses aren't relevant at this starting distance

* Tanjiro/Mars can dodge, but that won't win a fight

* Bowser sucks

Josh Response 2

* Clarifies win con

* Breaks down how Tanjiro fights, how his skill lets him interact with fast opponents and the implications of that in this fight

 * Cuts off peoples limbs n stuff

* Bowser's fire is there to just hamper the movement of the opposing team

 * Argues the AoE effect of fires

 * Bowser can throw opponents around

* Clarifies/breaks down how Mars fights and skill works.

* Mars has dura to take a 20k joule punch

* Breaks down his speed arguments

* Clarifies alleged anti-feats for Tanjiro

* Steppenwolf isn't fast due to like 7 reasons

 * Ditto for Guts and Wolverine

* A lot of energy calcs

* Guts speed scaling issue

Fem Response 2

* Wolverine can cross distances quickly + bowser doesn't open with flames

 * He can dodge the flames + heal if hit

* Bowser is slow + doesn't dodge

* Mars is also slow even via Josh's calcs

* Horsepower =/= amount of KE that can be implemented

* Various issues with Josh's 20k joule calc

* Mars has no real durability to speak of

* Tanjiro has never faced a foe like Fem's team, and he comes up short against them

 * His general fighting style doesn't work well against Fem's team

* Wolverine's biology/physiology means that he can't be taken out in any reasonable timeframe by his opponents

* Highlights how Guts is actually fast

* Basically re-iterates his teams initiative advantage

* Goes through a lot of Josh's points


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Judgement

Overall a decent debate, but in the end I have to give it to Fem. Josh spent most of the debate trying to stay afloat with arguments that mostly never really stuck their landing, while Fem managed to keep a very consistent thread throughout. While I did buy Josh's general argument that Tanjiro was a significant threat to Fem's team, and that Mars was capable of being generally competitive speedwise/dealing a lot of damage, Fem won the lions share of the remaining points in contention. Bowser's weakness as a pick, made it pretty easy for Fem to pick him apart, and by the end I was 100% sure that Wolverine (or some other foe) would kill him in short order. I could maybe have bought that he could have stopped Fem's team from advancing if he had any relevant speed feats, or if his team had a ton of good ranged attacks. Even then Steppenwolf should be able to tank it, and the rest of Fem's team survive to some extent. Mars' durability also wasn't anything impressive, and Josh seemed to largely concede his piercing resistance. I'm pretty confident that anyone on Fem's team could one shot him. The only member I think that had a consistent competitive edge on Josh's team was Tanjiro, but he too would get one shot pretty easily, and with 2 weaker allies it kinda sunk him. Overall Fem just did a better job highlighting his teams strength, speed and durability, and won me over more than Josh.