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  1. Fem R1
  2.  
  3. Aqualad vs Batman Beyond
  4.  
  5. * Aqualad has a reach advantage through his whips and other melee weapons
  6.  
  7. * Terry is regularly hurt by electric attacks, so Aqualad would one-shot with his electric attacks that can take down Superboy, who has good electricity resistance
  8.  
  9. * Terry has bad piercing resistance, meaning he gets Aqualad would easily slice through him as he usually does with metal
  10.  
  11. Wolverine vs Archangel
  12.  
  13. * Archangel's piercing isn't strong enough to bypass Wolverine's skeleton and he would heal from any piercing attacks
  14.  
  15. * Wolverine's poison resistance allows him to survive more dangerous poisons than Archangel can output
  16.  
  17. * Archangel's greatest strikes involve heavy wind up giving Wolverine a chance to heal and his durability is sufficient enough to take Arch's hits
  18.  
  19. * Although Archangel is bulletproof, Wolverine can cut through adamantium which tanks shotgun fire
  20.  
  21. Darth Vader vs Doctor Octopus
  22.  
  23. * Ock has no heat resistance, while Vader's lightsaber can burn through metal that's unaffected by lava
  24.  
  25. * Vader is tough to put down and Ock doesn't hit hard enough to get the job done
  26.  
  27. * Ock relies on his ability to overwhelm his opponents from multiple angles, but Vader is already accustomed to fighting similar opponents
  28.  
  29. ***
  30.  
  31. Mik R1
  32.  
  33. Aqualad vs Batman Beyond
  34.  
  35. * Terry's invisibility gives him a distinct advantage and bypasses any range difference as Aqualad can't hit what he can't see
  36.  
  37. * Terry is a faster and more skilled fighter than Aqualad
  38.  
  39. * Aqualad uses blunt weaponry more often than piercing weapons, but even then his piercing isn't strong enough to go through Terry's underlayer of armor
  40.  
  41. * The piercing antifeats given for Terry are from stabbing attacks not slashing like Aqualad usually does
  42.  
  43. * Aqualad's electricity scaling to Superboy isn't good as Superboy handles it well, meanwhile Terry has enough electricity resistance feats to withstand Aqualad
  44.  
  45. * Aqualad has been defeated by attacks similar in damage to what Terry can output
  46.  
  47. * Terry's ranged gear gives him even more ways to end the fight
  48.  
  49. Wolverine vs Archangel
  50.  
  51. * Archangel possesses the speed, range, and reach advantage
  52.  
  53. * Archangel's poison takes out people with better poison resistance than Wolverine, who's argued feat is insufficient as the mutant boy's powers aren't always on
  54.  
  55. * Archangel can slice through metal easily without stopping and can pierce through Wolverine, who also takes a long time to heal from stab wounds
  56.  
  57. * If Archangel is forced to fight in CQC, he'd still win as Wolverine has never taken strikes as powerful as Archangel's to the head before
  58.  
  59. * Archangel's wings can block cuts from 616 Wolverine, who has better piercing than his Ult version, and is able shake off and fight through piercing attacks
  60.  
  61. Darth Vader vs Doctor Octopus
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  63. * Ock possesses a much greater reach than Vader and his scaling to Spider-Man makes him faster too
  64.  
  65. * Ock can forcibly restrain Vader as his lifting strength is much greater
  66.  
  67. * The durability feat used for Vader doesn't actually show his condition afterwards and he lacks any other impressive durability feats, whereas Ock has consistent feats for dealing heavy damage
  68.  
  69. * Vader has no resistance to Ock ripping him apart and other prosthetic armored characters in Star Wars have had their armor pried open before by barehanded people
  70.  
  71. * Ock's arms can handle being around a sun which vaporized tons of metal in seconds, much greater than the heat from lightsabers
  72.  
  73. * Ock's arms instinctively defend and attack
  74.  
  75. * If Vader were to be disarmed, he'd be helpless as he lacks the strength to contend with Ock
  76.  
  77. ***
  78.  
  79. Fem R2
  80.  
  81. Aqualad vs Batman Beyond
  82.  
  83. * Terry doesn't regularly use his invisibility, so it's basically a non factor and Aqualad is capable of tagging opponents he can't see
  84.  
  85. * Terry is consistently tagged by opponents who are slower than Aqualad, so even if Aqualad was slower he'd still be able to land many hits on Terry
  86.  
  87. * Aqualad's feat of taking down an opponent stronger and faster than him and more applicable to skill than Terry defeating multiple mooks
  88.  
  89. * Aqualad's electricity deal visible pain to Superboy and scales above strong tasers like Robin's, whereas regular tasers still hurt Terry
  90.  
  91. * The feat used to downplay Aqualad's strength isn't a valid antifeat since it was done with turning someone into a projectile, which is much better than just regularly denting metal with a direct strike
  92.  
  93. * Fem concedes that Aqualad doesn't normally go for stabs, but it's very in-character for him to open up with a ranged attack or electricty
  94.  
  95. * The feats used for Terry's piercing resistance aren't as good as they seem, yet they still heavily affect them, so Aqualad's decent piercing should too affect him
  96.  
  97. * Terry's pillar kick wasn't done on a solid pillar
  98.  
  99. * The antifeats used for Aqualad's durability are lacking context as he's still able to fight after being slammed through the pillar and the other feat isn't really an antifeat considering Superboy is "super" strong
  100.  
  101. * The ranged pickups don't matter as neither opponents are likely to avoid the battle to get them and the effectiveness of Terry's gadgets are questionable
  102.  
  103. Wolverine vs Archangel
  104.  
  105. * The pinions and toxin don't matter to Wolverine as the pinions aren't strong and Mik's debunk of Wolverine's poison resistance ignores the fact that his scan was actually the first time it was activated and not evidence of it not always being turned on
  106.  
  107. * Archangel needs to enter Wolverine's range to deal damage and since his attacks require windup, he risks getting dismembered by Wolverine
  108.  
  109. Darth Vader vs Doctor Octopus
  110.  
  111. * Ock has been only shown to kill when he was unconscious and his arms did it for him, while Vader has no qualms with killing
  112.  
  113. * Ock speed scaling to Spider-Man was only when his powers were faulty and is later outsped when his powers return to normal, meanwhile Vader's ability to react to blasters and torpedoes put him above Ock
  114.  
  115. * Ock's win conditions are reliant on him being able to tag Vader in the first place and he himself has been shown to be hit in every fight he's been in
  116.  
  117. * Fem provides the aftermath to the argued durability feat for Vader, showing that he's fine and argues that Vader's great endurance and injury tolerance have gone uncontested
  118.  
  119. * Vader being disarmed would only anger him more and cause him to go for the kill with the Force
  120.  
  121. ***
  122.  
  123. Mik R2
  124.  
  125. Aqualad vs Batman Beyond
  126.  
  127. * Aqualad's best strength feat without a weapon and windup is just denting metal and is only taking out a section of stone with them
  128.  
  129. * In suit or out of suit, Terry is still capable of doing good damage against concrete and possesses better strength than Aqualad in general
  130.  
  131. * Aqualad's durability can barely handle damage that Terry would just shrug off
  132.  
  133. * Terry is faster than his shurikens while Aqualad has been shown to be unable to dodge shurikens
  134.  
  135. * The skill feat used for Aqualad is indicative of real skill as he relied on electricity to fight Superboy and lost to him anyways, whereas Terry does defeat physically superior opponents
  136.  
  137. * Terry in fact does use his invisibility often and is willing to blind opponents with his grenades, meanwhile the evidence used for Aqualad being able to hit opponents he can't see is bad
  138.  
  139. * Aqualad has no feats to be able to take on the ranged gear of Terry
  140.  
  141. Wolverine vs Archangel
  142.  
  143. * Archangel doesn't need to enter Wolverine's range to pierce him
  144.  
  145. * Ult Wolverine's poison resistance feat is irrelevant and the scaling Mik provided for 616 Wolverine and Deadpool's poison resistance is more applicable to the neurotoxin that Archangel uses
  146.  
  147. * Wolverine shown to not be able to just ignore projectiles like the pinions and Archangel doesn't really require windup in close range
  148.  
  149. * Wolverine usually opts for stabbing than dismembering, but Archangel can handle being stabbed and slashed fine
  150.  
  151. Darth Vader vs Doctor Octopus
  152.  
  153. * Ock definitely kills
  154.  
  155. * Darth Vader never dodges and the only evidence used for his speed was deflecting projectiles, which isn't relevant in this fight
  156.  
  157. * Ock's arms being able to handle the lightsaber's heat goes uncontested and so was Ock's superior strength
  158.  
  159. * Darth Vader has no win conditions if disarmed as he's too slow to reach his ranged pickups and still prefers a close kill
  160.  
  161. * Darth Vader's sole durability feat is irrelevant as Ock has been shown to easily rip and crush through metal and concrete
  162.  
  163. ***
  164.  
  165. Judgements
  166.  
  167. Aqualad vs Batman Beyond
  168.  
  169. Aqualad wins. I'm unconvinced whether Terry actually possesses a speed advantage over Terry as they're both animated characters that move in real-time and they visually move at similar speeds. Fem also brings up a good point Terry still gets tagged by opponents slower than Aqualad quite often.
  170. Although I agree that Terry is stronger than Aqualad, what clinches Aqualad's victory is his electricity. Aqualad has been shown to be willing to use it at long and close range, and quite often at that. The scaling chain used for the strength of Aqualad's electricity was valid in my eyes too. Superboy is completely unaffected by Robin's taser which can one shot a person, but Superboy was put into visibly immense pain by Aqualad's electricity. On the other hand, Terry has been shown to be still be clearly hurt by a taser that one shots someone and was only shown to be able to fight back after the taser was off him.
  171. I also don't think Terry is going to be using his invisibility that often. Not only do Fem's scans show this but so do Mik's. There are tons of moments where invisibility would've been useful but goes unused. Some of the invisibility scans show Terry turning it off after only one attack, so even if he does use it, he won't actually abuse it.
  172.  
  173. Wolverine vs Archangel
  174.  
  175. Archangel wins. Fem doesn't contest the idea that Archangel can cut through Wolverine, whereas Mik has shown multiple ways Archangel can slice and dice Wolverine without needing to enter his range. Mik also shows that Wolverine is indeed affected by projectiles like gunfire and since Archangel's pinions are just as strong if not stronger, it's clear that they too will be able to help take down Wolverine.
  176.  
  177. Darth Vader vs Doctor Octopus
  178.  
  179. Doctor Octopus wins this. The heat resistance of his arms goes uncontested. Coupling that with Ock's immense range advantage, I don't see any way Vader can contend with Ock. Ock is very likely to go into a grapple with his arms to crush or rip Vader and Vader just doesn't have any lifting feats or durability feats to contend with that.
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