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  1. [19:26] Yewnyx (WB in #Tabletop asked that it not be affiliated; Vern accommodated that)
  2. [19:27] Yewnyx mm. it's important to make the distinction between a space for buddies to chat, which is totally out of our purview except as it relates to the server (echoing Teller), but it was kinda pushed broadly as "we have a discord now"
  3. [19:28] Yewnyx that was my impression
  4. [19:28] Mishie it always felt more like a #Tabletop thing than a parahumans thing
  5. [19:28] ColdGold No. I'm concerned, though, cogo, because you apparently backed vern when he was being pissy earlier, and then this happened. A lot of it is targeting Winged, who vern has been very vocal about disliking. I dunno. I just don't like the tenor of it, I'm concerned about the people involved (SCG, Vern, Faustus) and the way they generally handle these things.
  6. [19:28] ColdGold I'm addressing that. I don't like how just because I'm in the discord I'm involved somehow.
  7. [19:28] Mishie but iirc I did see Vern try to push it before
  8. [19:28] ColdGold I just offered to provide some clarity
  9. [19:28] Yewnyx Mishie: https://www.reddit.com/r/Parahumans/comments/56asqt/is_there_any_interest_for_a_wormparahumans/
  10. [19:28] Wildbow Yeah, esp. when the-
  11. [19:28] Wildbow yeah
  12. [19:29] Wildbow That
  13. [19:29] Mishie I'm fairly sure that Vern wasn't involved in that
  14. [19:30] Yewnyx perception matters?
  15. [19:31] Mishie I know
  16. [19:32] Mishie But considering how hilariously simple it was to resolve, I'm just trying to figure out what the rest of the problem is.
  17. [19:33] Yewnyx Another angle is that I kind of see Winged's point that she's making in #tabletop: because it intersects strongly with #Tabletop and there is an inner circle which might feel disinclusive, you can't really avoid feeling left out here in #Tabletop
  18. [19:33] Yewnyx if i understand her correctly
  19. [19:35] Wildbow That's generally my feeling
  20. [19:35] Wildbow I'm not fussy about really saying "You have to include me!"
  21. [19:35] Wildbow But I have, in past cases, been disincluded
  22. [19:35] Wildbow AKA: playing TTS with people in the channel and they all hop on discord & the convo is happening there
  23. [19:36] Wildbow That's fine, that's life with a disability, but my latent concerns are the inner circle/subcommunity there with issues very clearly bleeding over
  24. [19:36] Wildbow Because the people who're hanging there are, in part, some of the most disgruntled members of chat?
  25. [19:36] Wildbow Can't police that, but might do more to separate it from chat. Is it unreasonable to remove it from the channel topic, for example?
  26. [19:37] Yewnyx not unreasonable but not a foregone conclusion imo
  27. [19:39] Yewnyx if they're going to pass the link around anyways, it could be just another way of turning people away
  28. [19:40] Yewnyx OTOH, being in the topic is still some level of endorsement
  29. [19:41] Mishie So
  30. [19:42] Yewnyx though with it now being explicitly Vern's voice chat thing, the responsibility for its content has at least been explicitly disclaimed
  31. [19:42] Mishie I'm just going to throw out a crazy idea
  32. [19:42] Mishie Why don't we just talk to SCG/Vern/Whatever and just get the full story from them, whilst also making sure that they full understand us.
  33. [19:43] Wildbow Have been
  34. [19:43] Wildbow But I'm exhausted
  35. [19:43] Mishie mhm
  36. [19:43] Wildbow and SCG is in a stubborn mindset now
  37. [19:43] Mishie yeah
  38. [19:43] Mishie But I'm thinking we let it rest for a day
  39. [19:44] Mishie and talk to them later when people are all calm
  40. [19:44] Teller Yeah. I'm all for "soft" moderation actions. Chatting with them (probably) won't hurt.
  41. [19:44] Teller "Moderation actions" is probably a misnomer.
  42. [19:45] Teller In the above sentence. I should sleep as well.
  43. [19:49] Teller Oh - at the very least, may I recommend that CG and 'bow discuss what was quoted by CG above, if they aren't/haven't already? Not necessarily right now, if people are worn out, but it seemed like a point that's important to CG.
  44. [19:49] Yewnyx moderation engagement*
  45. [19:50] Teller Moderation engagement is a good phrase.
  46. [19:52] ColdGold I just don't like being thought poorly of by people
  47. [19:52] ColdGold Especially when I haven't actually done anything
  48. [19:52] ColdGold And I respect all of you
  49. [19:53] ColdGold So it's frustrating that the rapport I've built in here, that comment makes me feel like I'm not trusted anymore because of this.
  50. [19:53] ColdGold I'm going to go sleep soon anyhow.
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