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  30. [22:23] <Henry_Jia_T60> Hey guys, I'm reading the paper no more pesky learnign rates and could someone tell me what the function bold face E is?
  31. [22:23] <refefer> which one?
  32. [22:24] <refefer> the original or the most recent one?
  33. [22:24] <Henry_Jia_T60> refefer: this is the one I found, is that the recent or the original http://arxiv.org/pdf/1206.1106.pdf ?
  34. [22:26] <refefer> Henry_Jia_T60: yep, this is the older one
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  36. [22:26] <refefer> Henry_Jia_T60: this is another one that plays off the name: http://arxiv.org/pdf/1506.01186.pdf
  37. [22:26] <efm> Expected value?
  38. [22:27] <efm> that's usually not doublestruck, though
  39. [22:27] <efm> 3 (1) suggests Expected loss
  40. [22:28] <Henry_Jia_T60> refefer: ok, I think I'l lread the older oen and then the newer one
  41. [22:28] <refefer> Henry_Jia_T60: you should, it's a classic
  42. [22:28] <Henry_Jia_T60> But back to my question, what exactly is E?
  43. [22:28] <efm> 3 (1) suggests Expected loss
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  45. [22:29] <Henry_Jia_T60> What exactly is expected loss?
  46. [22:30] <efm> " Learning rates in SGD are generally decreased accord- ing a schedule of the form..."
  47. [22:30] <Henry_Jia_T60> You've confused me efm
  48. [22:30] <efm> so the Expected loss will be the decrease in learning rate at that stage
  49. [22:31] <efm> You start off learning quickly, then the rate declines.
  50. [22:31] <Henry_Jia_T60> ok, but isn't that what the algo for calculating the learning rate is calculating, so I don't see how it can divide by that?
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  53. [22:32] <Henry_Jia_T60> You've confused me efm
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  55. [22:33] <efm> then I don't know what to say
  56. [22:35] <Henry_Jia_T60> Oh wait I misread it says vi ā‰ˆ Eāˆ‡2Īøi
  57. [22:35] <Henry_Jia_T60> is a recent running average of its square.
  58. [22:36] <Henry_Jia_T60> That makes sense now
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  61. [22:38] <duschendestroyer> hm
  62. [22:39] <duschendestroyer> I skimmed over that 2015 paper. I think it's strange that they mention adam but don't compare with it or other adaptive optimization algorithms
  63. [22:40] <deadbeef> did i hear adaptive optimization ?
  64. [22:40] <deadbeef> which algorithm are you talking about ?
  65. [22:40] <deadbeef> ADAM perhaps ?
  66. [22:41] <deadbeef> ah the guessing one
  67. [22:42] <deadbeef> ah no you're talking about lecun et al.'s ICML one
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  70. [22:53] <refefer> deadbeef: couple of good ones out these last few years
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  72. [22:54] <refefer> duschendestroyer: that doesn't really bother me. I
  73. [22:54] <refefer> f I recall correctly, Adam beat out the Adas and RMSProp
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  75. [22:55] <refefer> as well as momentum with nesterov
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