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Duma: yeah pal
TreasureGhost: yes?
Duma: if Destroyed APerture took so god damn long then why does the map feel so generic
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[DA] nintendo.erk: Hi
TreasureGhost: hi
Duma: The demo map feels grossly generic
TreasureGhost: well, its because we haven't showcased story yet, if portal stories mel would pick a random map from their overgrown testing track, it would feel the same
Duma: Well you're right about that
[DA] nintendo.erk: yes, all custom stuff has been edited out to not spoil and to fit the workshop without packing stuff
Duma: Taking all that stuff out makes the demo feel average
Duma: If you throw in some story then people will get hyped about it
TreasureGhost: I can also not say grossly generic sir, this map has a lot of detail work in it as well as puzzles
Duma: >detail
Duma: I'm noclipping around in the map
Duma: I don't see the detail
[DA] nintendo.erk: lol
Duma: All I see are some open walls with places that you can't access
[DA] nintendo.erk: we mean the destruction with details
Duma: Trust me
Duma: I really hope DA is good
Duma: And one of my worst nightmares is seeing some rushed generic mod in place of what DA could be
[DA] nintendo.erk: it has a story but it's mainly basen on puzzles
Duma: based*
[DA] nintendo.erk: we are not rushing, in fact we are slow
Duma: One of the weaker parts of Portal 2 was the huge enviornment that gave off a desire to explore
Duma: However restricted
Duma: The escape scenes validated that
Duma: You got to explore
Duma: If you're gonna make a vast world
[DA] nintendo.erk: we do explore a lot in DA
Duma: You got to add some exploration or people feel like they're in chains forcing to watch lovely things
Duma: If by that you mean some restricted parts to get to other chambers
Duma: then thats not at all
[DA] nintendo.erk: even in this map we enter bts areas to progress
Duma: But where's that in the demo
Duma: If you want to convey something in the product
Duma: You better show it in a demo
Duma: The portal demo gave you the idea
Duma: Clever puzzles with a device guided by an AI
[DA] nintendo.erk: uhm... broken exit elevator with a way to an other test chamber
Duma: It gave you all you needed to know to help you consider it
Duma: But that's LIMITED exploration
Duma: You only see little bits
Duma: And then you desire more
[DA] nintendo.erk: what, we pass through it
Duma: And plus I see so much destroyed elevator pass through chamber generic stuff in workshop mods
Duma: Hell
[DA] nintendo.erk: I got an idea: just don't play it ;)
Duma: hm
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TreasureGhost: in fact thats not an elevator we are using in DA, we dont want destruction
TreasureGhost: we do want*
TreasureGhost: sorry, typo
Duma: its k <3
Duma: Well then
[DA] nintendo.erk: indeed, the entry and exit elevator are simply slightly edited valve instances, the DA elevators are far more detailed but I replaced them for the demo map
Duma: WHat is this "custom elevator" gonna look like
TreasureGhost: it will have more room for detail
[DA] nintendo.erk: more like the broken one in the demo map
Duma: The thing is
Duma: If you put a mod on steam
Duma: it better not be too independent
Duma: That's what ModDB is for
[DA] nintendo.erk: with the elevator model from ps:mel since we have anna's permission to use it
Duma: Using models from other mods..
Duma: You know Greenlight isn't a mod distribution platform
Duma: It's a way for independent game creators to get their games on steam
Duma: Portal modders only use it because they're making big and independent mods that could work as standalone
[DA] nintendo.erk: then tell me why valve allows it?
[DA] nintendo.erk: even embraces it
Duma: Valve allowed Air Control onto steam
Duma: Valve allowed The Slaughtering Grounds onto steam
Duma: Valve allowed Earth Year 2066 onto steam
TreasureGhost: oh... I hate digital homicides like everyone
[DA] nintendo.erk: that doesn't answer my question
Duma: Valve has literally no quality control
Duma: Unless a game is so harshly received that it gets pulled
Duma: it will stay
Duma: And when has Valve "embraced" Steam/Greenlight as a mod distribution platform
Duma: Black Mesa got on because it uses entirely different textures with only very few things from Valve
Duma: Valve probably embraces THOSE mods
Duma: Things that are unique, feature things to add to Aperture like seperate posters
[DA] nintendo.erk: well we are doing the best we can to make DA a good game and we want a portal game to be recognisable
Duma: They probably aren't talking about generic mods with weak trailers and underwhelming demos
TreasureGhost: But there are relationships, the old turrets from aperture tag were used in mel as well, I dont see a problem with that (only that aperture tag was a fail in my opinion)
Duma: Actually
Duma: Aperture TAG used its turrets from PS: Mel
[DA] nintendo.erk: because anna was a guest dev
Duma: The developer (Momento, Momentum, Monsanto? What the fu-) got permission to use them from Anna
TreasureGhost: Motanum
Duma: Ah, there
[DA] nintendo.erk: and so de we for the elevator model, it just looks better than a clean one
Duma: Anna also mentions how Motanum didn't listen to the dev ideas and just sort of ignored them
Duma: and then the game got thrown out painfully average no exploration BS game that feels limiting on the player
Duma: Let me guess
Duma: Anna's your guest dev too?
[DA] nintendo.erk: well anna supports us as well, and we do listen to her when she teaches us things :D
[DA] nintendo.erk: not really but she helps us with things
TreasureGhost: That still doesnt matter, it was released sooner, its an absurd that its ok that 2 mods using the same asset is ok because there is a dev in common, anna, but not in different mods that dont have one dev in common
TreasureGhost: how could it affect the reputation?
TreasureGhost: indeed, aperture tag is a fail
[DA] nintendo.erk: also judging by the comments on the demo map it's not a bad map :P
Duma: And DA looks sooooooooo average
Duma: Most of those people probably never went to middle school
[DA] nintendo.erk: who me?
TreasureGhost: what are you talking about? I know a lot of the commenters
TreasureGhost: some of them didnt perhaps yes but still
TreasureGhost: (commenters, .erk)
Duma: Most of then are young
Duma: them*
[DA] nintendo.erk: I know a lot of them as well and some are even older than me
Duma: Hm
[DA] nintendo.erk: I am 35 btw
[DA] nintendo.erk: 36 in 2 weeks
Duma: YOU ARE NOT 35
[DA] nintendo.erk: trust me, I was born on the 23rd of may 1980
Duma: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYVO5bUFww0
[DA] nintendo.erk: but thaks for the compliment :D
TreasureGhost: Why would we lie for you...
Duma: you should word that differently
Duma: Nintendo
Duma: Here's the thing
Duma: You have poor grammar
[DA] nintendo.erk: I'd like to be 18 again, can I? :P
Duma: You have the average behaviour of a child
TreasureGhost: Nintendo goes back for years
Duma: You're spending so much time on a portal mod when real life exists
[DA] nintendo.erk: who me?
Duma: yeah you
[DA] nintendo.erk: I love using hammer, besides my job that's what I do in life
TreasureGhost: We are not americans nor englishmen and we know our english is not perfect, thats why someone else is writing story
Duma: Nintendo.erk,
Duma: if hammer is your job
Duma: either you work at valve
Duma: or..
[DA] nintendo.erk: yes nintendo fan since the first console came out
TreasureGhost: hammer is not his job
TreasureGhost: hammer is a hobby
[DA] nintendo.erk: I work with fruits and vegetables
Duma: "I love using hammer, besides my job that's what I do in life"
Duma: That's sort of implying you use hammer
[DA] nintendo.erk: "besides my job that's what I do"
Duma: oh
Duma: well then
Duma: If you did food
Duma: how would you have time
Duma: unless you farm
[DA] nintendo.erk: farm?
Duma: or you work at a produce
Duma: If you handle food
TreasureGhost: no... its a fruit exporting company
Duma: Hmm
Duma: Proof
[DA] nintendo.erk: no forklift driver at a large export ompany
Duma: hm you just said you handled fruits and vegetables
Duma: now you drive forklifts
Duma: The story goes deeper
TreasureGhost: how is this even related to our mod??
[DA] nintendo.erk: I have no clue but I'm having fun with this conversation :P
[DA] nintendo.erk: https://www.facebook.com/erik.vanbarneveld.7
[DA] nintendo.erk: my faceboo I never use :P
[DA] nintendo.erk: should show my age as well
Duma: Stock pictures and a johnny bravo avatar
Duma: Proves nuddin'
[DA] nintendo.erk: stock? my helis
Duma: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQYob6dpTTk
Duma: I could probably find the same pictures on google images
Duma: Further proving you have no fucking life other than hammer
Duma: Do you live in your moms basement
Duma: or are you just some 13 year old
[DA] nintendo.erk: https://www.dropbox.com/s/vjkg9ij07dyaip8/IMAG0079.jpg?dl=0
[DA] nintendo.erk: both
[DA] nintendo.erk: 13 and half living in my moms basement
[DA] nintendo.erk: If I knew where my mom lives
Duma: Last time I checked 13 year olds dont get drivers licenses
Duma: Are you fucking stupid
[DA] nintendo.erk: lol
[DA] nintendo.erk: can't you see I am mocking you?
Duma: 13 year olds don't drive forklifts
Duma: Oh boy.
[DA] nintendo.erk: sorry man, can't help it :P
TreasureGhost: Yes, why the hell would it start to be erk's personal life?
Duma: Isn't there this logical fallacy called Winning by Loosing
[DA] nintendo.erk: done now though, but I really am 35 and live in a house with my cat and turle
Duma: http://s628.photobucket.com/user/Citizen_Ted/media/Sad%20Arguments/winning_by_losing.jpg.html
[DA] nintendo.erk: have a full time job at a fruits and vegetables export company as forklift driver
Duma: yeah you're fucking stupid
[DA] nintendo.erk: right back at ya ;)
[DA] nintendo.erk: rofl
Duma: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYVO5bUFww0
[DA] nintendo.erk: gonna go now, was fun chatting :P
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TreasureGhost: bye
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