The Great Prescription Skip Debate [Chap. 2 - It Begins]

The Great Prescription Skip Debate
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Chapter 1 - Discovery:	http://pastebin.com/uxWcRhka
Chapter 2 - It Begins:	http://pastebin.com/wRsNmmhP
Chapter 3 - Analysis:	http://pastebin.com/iuStxa0J
Chapter 4 - Challenger:	http://pastebin.com/AuNF3GhC
Chapter 5 - Ideas: 	http://pastebin.com/7SaRZAvA
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[15:23] <Jarvitz> so i went from rboekn sword to eyeball frog
[17:50] <Jarvitz> http://www.twitch.tv/jarvitz/b/331650332#
[17:52] <+Tompa> Interesting, Jar
[17:53] <@ZFG> wtf
[17:54] <+Runnerguy2489> that trick by jarvitz makes so little sense
[17:54] <@ZFG> the frog tunic
[17:54] <+Runnerguy2489> frog tunic!!!
[17:55] <%mzxrules> also THE FUCK prescription skip?
[17:57] <@ZFG> sock needs to get on prescription skip
[17:58] <@ZFG> i doubt ut has anything to do with having broken sword so if this doesnt require rba, this could save time in 100%
[17:59] <+Runnerguy2489> I'm gonna guess it has something do to do with false eyedrops somehow
[17:59] <qwerty1605> ya
[17:59] <+Runnerguy2489> but who knows it's oot
[17:59] <qwerty1605> probably something to do with false eyedrops
[18:00] <@ZFG> hm probably
[18:01] <Jarvitz> hmm
[18:06] <%mzxrules> where's jarv's video
[18:06] <+Tompa> http://www.twitch.tv/jarvitz/b/331650332#
[18:06] <%mzxrules> for full run?
[18:06] <+Tompa> Oh...
[18:07] <%mzxrules> probably defrosted yes?
[18:08] <+Runnerguy2489> http://www.twitch.tv/jarvitz/b/331630841
[18:10] <+Runnerguy2489> wasn't defrosted...camera trick was used
[18:13] <Jarvitz> unfreeze trick
[18:16] <Enterim> What's this a run of?
[18:17] <%mzxrules> puzzle race i guess
[18:17] <Enterim> oh I see
[18:17] <Jarvitz> yeah
[18:17] <Jarvitz> puzzle race
[18:18] <Jarvitz> and i have no idea why that happened
[18:18] <Jarvitz> but w/e
[18:21] <%mzxrules> wait what does bomb bag do when on C right?
[18:22] <+Runnerguy2489> it links to water temple keys
[18:23] <%mzxrules> i mean if you use it as an item
[18:23] <+Runnerguy2489> you pull out eyedrops and it says, "can't use this item here"
[18:23] <%mzxrules> so jarv coulda used that as well
[18:23] <%mzxrules> lol
[18:24] <Jarvitz> i didnt know
[18:24] <Jarvitz> lol
[18:24] <Koobes> its eyedrops
[18:24] <+Runnerguy2489> ?
[18:24] <Koobes> if used as an item its eyedrops
[18:39] <%mzxrules> odd
[18:39] <%mzxrules> you can interupt getting the zora tunic
[18:39] <%mzxrules> king zora, y u so goofy
[18:42] <%mzxrules> i think i discovered a new glitch
[18:43] <+TestRunner> oh?
[18:43] <Abahbob> oh rly now
[18:43] <%mzxrules> useless atm
[18:43] <%mzxrules> and not 100% confirmed, but you can walk around before obtaining zora armor
[18:43] <Exodus> collection delay?
[18:44] <Exodus> ah i didnt know it worked there
[18:45] <%mzxrules> imma double check it
[18:45] <%mzxrules> using cheats to reset king zora's text
[18:47] <%mzxrules> OH SHIT
[18:47] <%mzxrules> i did it
[18:47] <+TestRunner> pretty cool
[18:47] <Exodus> collection delay on gettng frog from him is not cool though. you lose the frog forever
[18:47] <Exodus> i didnt try leaving the area though
[18:48] <%mzxrules> i got the prescription frogs
[18:48] <%mzxrules> in the collection delay
[18:48] <Exodus> prescription frogs?
[18:48] <%mzxrules> OK
[18:49] <%mzxrules> what I did was
[18:49] <%mzxrules> take out hookshot, hold Z
[18:50] <Enterim> Puzzle races are the best time to find new tricks
[18:51] <+Runnerguy2489> so what did you have mzx?
[18:53] <+Runnerguy2489> wait so you can do it without rba? just collection delay?
[18:53] <%mzxrules> yes
[18:53] <%mzxrules> i think
[18:53] <%mzxrules> double check dis shit
[18:53] <+Runnerguy2489> um holy shit that'd be amazing
[18:53] <%mzxrules> so far i got it with hookshot
[18:54] <Exodus> ive never heard of hookshot being used in colelction delay
[18:54] <%mzxrules> it's weird, because you can MOVE
[18:54] <%mzxrules> but i didn't have to do that
[18:54] <+Runnerguy2489> .summon sockfolder
[18:54] <%sockfolder> hey
[18:54] <+Runnerguy2489> it worked!
[18:54] <%sockfolder> I got summoned
[18:54] <Exodus> yay
[18:54] <Exodus> lol
[18:55] <stonenot> did you have your White Summon Stone down
[18:55] <%mzxrules> please tell me that was a script
[18:55] <+Runnerguy2489> sockfolder: http://www.twitch.tv/jarvitz/b/331650332
[18:55] <%sockfolder> lol
[18:56] <%mzxrules> i figured out how to do it with a hookshot
[18:58] <@Cosmo> oot is a funny game Lol
[18:58] <%sockfolder> lol
[18:58] <%sockfolder> huh
[18:58] <Abahbob> cosmo, you see my PG skip vid?
[18:58] <@Cosmo> oh yea
[18:58] <@Cosmo> nice work
[18:59] <Abahbob> just checkin cuz you asked for it
[18:59] <+Tompa> There still hasn't been any succesfull PG skips on console, right?
[18:59] <@Cosmo> do the keese wait longer to come the first time ?
[18:59] <@Cosmo> or do they come always at 1 minute
[18:59] <Abahbob> seems to be 1 minute
[18:59] <Abahbob> idk though
[19:00] <%mzxrules> oh shit
[19:00] <%mzxrules> i can't do it consistenly
[19:01] <+Runnerguy2489> what are you doing? with the hookshot
[19:01] <%mzxrules> yea
[19:01] <%sockfolder> can someone link the puzzle
[19:01] <%sockfolder> I missed this
[19:01] <+Tompa> http://imgur.com/x9chL
[19:03] <+Tompa> Demon: Lol, I managed to see the run before you unlisted it ;)
[19:04] <Abahbob> lol
[19:04] <%mzxrules> hrm
[19:04] <%mzxrules> now this
[19:04] <%mzxrules> is interesting
[19:04] <%mzxrules> fuck
[19:05] <%mzxrules> ok get this
[19:05] <%mzxrules> you need a trade item to do it
[19:06] <+Runnerguy2489> any trade item?
[19:06] <%mzxrules> seems that way so far
[19:06] <+Runnerguy2489> interesting
[19:07] <%sockfolder> so what is your method so far
[19:07] <%mzxrules> put Hookshot on C-Down (probably not specifically that button), when the dialog closes press A and C-Down, aim up a little, hold Z
[19:08] <Warp> Is there an easy way to practice the superslide to the mirror shield, or do i have to complete the spirit hover each time?
[19:08] <%sockfolder> fw
[19:08] <@maxx> easier way: go into the spirit temple where the gauntlet chest is, then come out
[19:08] <@maxx> after each superslide attempt, kill yourself
[19:08] <+Runnerguy2489> what dialog closes?
[19:08] <Warp> ah ok
[19:08] <@maxx> select Yes to continue
[19:08] <%mzxrules> the one that says Tunic
[19:09] <@maxx> and you will respawn near the gaunts chest
[19:09] <+Runnerguy2489> ah ok
[19:09] <Warp> last time i tried that i just did s&q and had to re-do the whole run to get there again
[19:09] <Warp> thanks :P
[19:09] <@maxx> np
[19:09] <@maxx> it's even useful in runs/races if you're inconsistent at the hoverslide
[19:09] <@maxx> just in case
[19:11] <Warp> if i choose not to save it still puts me there with all my bombs right?
[19:11] <@maxx> yep
[19:11] <@maxx> well, all the bombs you had when you died
[19:11] <Warp> awesome tyvm
[19:11] <@maxx> not as many as you had when you first came out
[19:11] <@maxx> if you used a bunch to die they will be gone
[19:11] <@maxx> use ocarina damage buffering to use fewer bombs to kill yourself
[19:12] <@maxx> also leevers work
[19:12] <@maxx> just don't enter the spirit temple
[19:12] <%mzxrules> =O
[19:12] <%mzxrules> grab wtf
[19:12] <@maxx> the A button always says weird shit right before you get items like that
[19:13] <@maxx> like it always says Open at the gerudo archery even if you didn't do ass chest
[19:14] <+Runnerguy2489> I can confirm what mzx is saying
[19:14] <+Runnerguy2489> this...is...amazing
[19:14] <@maxx> what did he do
[19:14] <%mzxrules> i discovered a method for prescription skip
[19:14] <+Runnerguy2489> it completely, COMPLETELY changes 100%
[19:14] <@maxx> oh rad
[19:15] <@maxx> eyeball frog without... any trade items?
[19:15] <%sockfolder> I'll work on this later
[19:15] <+Runnerguy2489> in this file I had...I went from cojiro to eyeball frog lool
[19:15] <%sockfolder> can't right now though
[19:15] <+Runnerguy2489> maxx: apparently you must have at least 1 trade item
[19:15] <+Runnerguy2489> maybe a bottle in that slot too idk
[19:15] <@maxx> so how does that wrong warp from fire to credits work again
[19:15] <@maxx> mst here i come
[19:15] <@maxx> huhu
[19:16] <+Runnerguy2489> this means...holy shit 100%, I can't wait to think about rerouting this
[19:16] <%sockfolder> but you did need a trade item?
[19:16] <@Cosmo> lol
[19:16] <@Cosmo> poodle and I were talking
[19:16] <+Runnerguy2489> that's what mzx said sockfolder
[19:16] <@Cosmo> and we think RBA/BA should be unbanned from MST
[19:16] <%sockfolder> omg
[19:16] <@maxx> really
[19:16] <+Runnerguy2489> I've always thought that cosmo, so no complaints here
[19:16] <@maxx> that surprises me
[19:16] <@maxx> that he would agree to that
[19:16] <%sockfolder> really cosmo? I thought you were against it
[19:16] <Enterim> this is mad
[19:17] <%mzxrules> runnerguy, imma test bottle
[19:17] <+Runnerguy2489> ok cool
[19:17] <@maxx> mst with RBA is so complicated to route
[19:17] <@maxx> but i guess for starters, BA hammer off LACS is strong
[19:18] <@maxx> that could be the first thing incorporated
[19:18] <@Cosmo> poodle doesnt think it can save time , I think it might save time but route is hard to think opf
[19:18] <@maxx> i think
[19:18] <Enterim> I thought RBA was kind of crippled because of it deleting the light medallion
[19:18] <%mzxrules> pain in the ass to pull off
[19:18] <@maxx> don't rba medallions Enterim
[19:18] <%mzxrules> and if you goof, you can't redo easy
[19:19] <@maxx> Cosmo: i tried to make a super crazy route with like
[19:19] <%mzxrules> haha bottle works
[19:19] <@maxx> wrong warp from deku to bongo
[19:19] <+Runnerguy2489> that doesn't really surprise me
[19:19] <@maxx> and other crazy shit
[19:19] <@maxx> but it's super hard to route
[19:19] <@maxx> if hammer BA doesn't save time though i will eat a shoe
[19:19] <%mzxrules> can you rba bottle into adult trade item slot?
[19:20] <@maxx> yes
[19:20] <+Runnerguy2489> yep
[19:20] <@maxx> green potion iirc
[19:20] <Exodus> yeah green pot
[19:20] <%mzxrules> fuck yea
[19:20] <%mzxrules> double check that on console if you want
[19:20] <+Runnerguy2489> I believe you
[19:20] <+Runnerguy2489> and it makes sense
[19:20] <Exodus> sorry what exactly do you do with the hookshot?
[19:20] <+Runnerguy2489> not that...collection delay makes a lot of sense for eyeball frog but whatever lol
[19:20] <%mzxrules> aim up so that you can z-target king zora
[19:20] <Exodus> ah
[19:21] <%mzxrules> idfk why it works sometimes and doesn't others
[19:21] <%mzxrules> but that way is really consistent
[19:21] <@Cosmo> you should try using spells
[19:21] <@Cosmo> lol
[19:21] <Exodus> bombs too
[19:22] <Samura1man> wait
[19:22] <Samura1man> how to get eyeball frog early?
[19:23] <Exodus> but jarvitz didnt do colelction delay did he?
[19:23] <+Runnerguy2489> I think he could have by accident
[19:24] <Shredwot> too bad his highlight of the glitch doesn't show what he did before hand
[19:25] <%sockfolder> you can look at the video
[19:25] <%mzxrules> someone play around with this though
[19:25] <%mzxrules> perhaps there's another way to get it without hookshot
[19:25] <%sockfolder> feels like the golden scale as child glitch
[19:25] <Exodus> oh yeah
[19:25] <%mzxrules> oh fuck
[19:26] <%mzxrules> wait that probably wouldn't work
[19:26] <Samura1man> I'm confused
[19:26] <Exodus> yeah lets mess around withcollection delay in pond
[19:26] <%mzxrules> howso?
[19:26] <%mzxrules> Samura?
[19:27] <Abahbob> camera lock + telescope in water is hilarious. love tww
[19:27] <+Runnerguy2489> I'm streaming it, trying different things
[19:27] <Samura1man> eyeball frog
[19:27] <Samura1man> how to get it early
[19:29] <Exodus> oh my god it worked mzx nice
[19:30] <+Runnerguy2489> lol
[19:30] <+Runnerguy2489> just hold R
[19:30] <+Runnerguy2489> during text
[19:30] <+Runnerguy2489> and it works!!!
[19:30] <Exodus> holy shit
[19:30] <+pheenoh> zfg
[19:30] <Exodus> yes
[19:30] <+pheenoh> #route
[19:30] <Samura1man> Why we broke this game more and MORE
[19:30] <@maxx> what
[19:31] <@maxx> hold R during kz text to get eyeball frog???
[19:31] <Exodus> it just like gold scale... wait thats holding z.... WTF
[19:31] <@maxx> wtf
[19:31] <@maxx> hahaha
[19:31] <@maxx> oot owns
[19:31] <@Cosmo> roglman
[19:31] <Exodus> WHY
[19:31] <Samura1man> LOL
[19:31] <+pheenoh> this game... hahaha
[19:31] <Samura1man> golden scale is target
[19:31] <Samura1man> eyeball frog is shield
[19:31] <r0bd0g> what's going on :S
[19:31] <Samura1man> this game doesn't make sense since 2006
[19:32] <Exodus> this is so cool
[19:32] <+pheenoh> this means we don't have to go out the way for odd mush either
[19:33] <+pheenoh> so good
[19:33] <r0bd0g> you don't have to worry about the poacher's saw glitch uh, that might make you want to do more stuff in adult 1 yeah?
[19:33] <Exodus> i seriously cannot believe this.
[19:33] <@maxx> lol does this skip the poacher's saw glitch
[19:33] <r0bd0g> I was thinking you could go to spirit as adult now that you don't need the broken sword on the way there
[19:34] <@maxx> if you skip past saw can you get deku nut upgrade forever
[19:34] <@maxx> haha
[19:34] <r0bd0g> IDK if that's faster... yeah I mean you'd think it would skip the poacher's saw glitch
[19:34] <r0bd0g> what exactly is it is there a video?
[19:34] <%mzxrules> imma make a video
[19:34] <%mzxrules> will take 10 years at this rate
[19:36] <r0bd0g> you might have serenade now in child 2
[19:36] <r0bd0g> idk the whole thing's gonna change :p
[19:36] <Exodus> doesnt work with anju for cojiro early :(
[19:36] <r0bd0g> how does it work?
[19:37] <@maxx> how have none of us ever been holding R during that text in the last 10 years
[19:37] <Samura1man> ^
[19:37] <Exodus> maybe theres another trigger
[19:37] <Samura1man> I wonder how many glitches are still hiding in this game
[19:37] <Exodus> like unfreeze with the glitch
[19:37] <Exodus> did we all do that to unfreeze
[19:38] <Kosmicd12> wait
[19:38] <Kosmicd12> you get the frog even w/o the other trade items?
[19:38] <Exodus> yeah kosmic
[19:38] <r0bd0g> and you talk to him again to get the tunic?
[19:38] <Exodus> no you cant get tunic from him
[19:39] <Kosmicd12> prescription is a bit broken in bingo?
[19:39] <r0bd0g> lol it will revert won't it
[19:39] <Samura1man> maybe it's better with Claim Check?
[19:39] <Kosmicd12> what does it revert to
[19:39] <Kosmicd12> lol claim check
[19:39] <Samura1man> no need to do the whole quest to bgs
[19:39] <r0bd0g> if you fail to deliver the frog you'll get prescription
[19:39] <Samura1man> damn
[19:39] <Kosmicd12> hahaha
[19:39] <%mzxrules> runnerguy, the R method requires a shield
[19:39] <Samura1man> !!
[19:40] <@maxx> lol
[19:40] <@maxx> yeah and who ever has one of those, mzxrules ???
[19:40] <%mzxrules> just saiyen
[19:40] <Exodus> few puzzle races
[19:40] <Jarvitz> uhh
[19:40] <@maxx> shield saves time in like every room in the game in every category
[19:41] <@maxx> it's pretty good i hear
[19:41] <Kosmicd12> 100% will buy both tunics now lol
[19:41] <Jarvitz> I cant believe i found something useful...
[19:41] <Abahbob> gratz
[19:41] <r0bd0g> that's a lot of rupees lol
[19:41] <Exodus> yeah gj to you guys
[19:41] <Samura1man> GJ Jarvitz lol
[19:41] <@maxx> tunic is like 300 right
[19:41] <Jarvitz> how was this not found before?
[19:41] <Jarvitz> lol
[19:42] <Samura1man> finding glitches by accident!
[19:42] <Kosmicd12> ur good at holding R gj lol
[19:42] <r0bd0g> tunic is 300
[19:42] <Kosmicd12> king zora is really messed up
[19:42] <Jarvitz> yo.
[19:42] <Jarvitz> im the best
[19:42] <Mr_Carter> yeah lol
[19:42] <Kosmicd12> unfreezes randomly, hands out frogs
[19:42] <Jarvitz> rofl
[19:42] <Mr_Carter> KZ more broken than bottles
[19:42] <Mr_Carter> ;)
[19:42] <Exodus> go through him while unfreezing
[19:42] <Exodus> 3 crazy kz glitches
[19:42] <Jarvitz> does my stream show me holding r?
[19:42] <Jarvitz> lol
[19:43] <r0bd0g> you'll have to get the giant's wallet before you go up there so IDK still about going up there in adult 1 to have serenade for adult 2 -- it's also a little bad that you can't plant the bean in zr soo...
[19:43] <Jarvitz> so anything in adult trade item = eyeball frog?
[19:43] <r0bd0g> child 2*
[19:43] <Jarvitz> the ba or bomb bag didnt matter?
[19:43] <Kosmicd12> green potion + prescription row, FIND IT
[19:43] <Jarvitz> so like 4 bks is really easy now
[19:43] <Samura1man> lol Kosmix
[19:43] <Samura1man> Kosmic
[19:44] <%mzxrules> got a video set up
[19:44] <Jarvitz> claim check too
[19:44] <Kosmicd12> did people try other npcs
[19:44] <Jarvitz> and boss keys, maps
[19:44] <Exodus> i already tried "anju" with no success
[19:45] <Kosmicd12> lets make biggoron sword a goal now
[19:45] <Jarvitz> so how was this not found before?
[19:45] <Jarvitz> and how did you find out it was hold r? ive been busy
[19:45] <Exodus> mzx and rg testing
[19:47] <Enterim> Golden Scale early redux
[19:49] <+pheenoh> where is zfg
[19:49] <Samura1man> .zfg
[19:49] <Enterim> -_-
[19:50] <@ZFG> hi what
[19:50] <@ZFG> was the frog thing figured out
[19:50] <Kosmicd12> yes this game is messed up
[19:50] <thunderio> does the new trick work in oot3d?
[19:50] <Exodus> hold r during text for frog
[19:50] <@ZFG> tell me something new
[19:50] <Exodus> zfg
[19:50] <@ZFG> wow
[19:50] <benstephens1000> New trick?
[19:50] <Kosmicd12> u can skip adult trade
[19:50] <benstephens1000> OOT3D?
[19:50] <benstephens1000> What si this?
[19:50] <benstephens1000> I must know?
[19:51] <benstephens1000> Skip adult trade? How so?
[19:51] <benstephens1000> I will test on OoT3D
[19:51] <Kosmicd12> wait
[19:51] <Kosmicd12> what if you can get quiver 50 with 1000 lulz
[19:52] <Exodus> yeah go try stuff. im trying biggoron
[19:52] <Exodus> im thinking right now its probably kz only
[19:52] <Samura1man> someone try poacher saw
[19:52] <Exodus> but worth a try
[19:53] <Samura1man> everything is worth a try
[19:53] <Jarvitz> it seems kz only
[19:53] <@maxx> talk to carpenter as child and hold R to get bgs
[19:53] <@maxx> imo
[19:53] <Exodus> the npc changes so i doubt it samura
[19:53] <Jarvitz> lol
[19:53] <Jarvitz> im great
[19:53] <Samura1man> just try
[19:53] <%mzxrules> uploading video soon
[19:53] <Samura1man> if you don't try, you might miss something amazing glitch
[19:54] <%mzxrules> it might be something that only affects characters that award multiple items
[19:54] <Kosmicd12> who tested holding R lol
[19:54] <tnud> Wait whaaat
[19:54] <Exodus> doesnt work with biggoron
[19:54] <%mzxrules> runnerguy did
[19:54] <Exodus> i tried both things you giv to him
[19:55] <Exodus> sword and eyedrops
[19:55] <%mzxrules> exo, you got a shield on you?
[19:55] <Exodus> yeah
[19:55] <Kosmicd12> guys da masks ~
[19:55] <%mzxrules> can you do collection delay?
[19:55] <Exodus> yeah of course
[19:55] <Exodus> you can collection delaye on every single trade item recieved as far as i know
[19:56] <Exodus> oh actually not inside houses
[19:56] <Exodus> i think
[19:57] <@maxx> can you WT BK skip with hammer on B
[19:57] <@maxx> lol
[19:57] <@maxx> don't mock me
[19:57] <+cafde> pretty sure you can
[19:57] <@maxx> rad
[19:57] <@maxx> how useful is hammer on morpha
[19:57] <%mzxrules> hrm
[19:57] <%mzxrules> do more research
[19:58] <%mzxrules> or write a zsr page on eet
[19:58] <%mzxrules> =D
[19:58] <+cafde> you have to use default damage
[19:58] <+cafde> so not good
[19:58] <@maxx> poop
[19:58] <@maxx> but thx for info
[19:58] <%mzxrules> guys one thing
[19:58] <Kosmicd12> okay so
[19:58] <Kosmicd12> do i jjust hold R and talk
[19:58] <Samura1man> yes
[19:58] <Kosmicd12> k ill try
[19:58] <%mzxrules> talk, then hold R
[19:59] <%mzxrules> doesn't matter
[19:59] <Samura1man> you have something adult trade slot?
[19:59] <%mzxrules> at least for king zora
[19:59] <Exodus> you only have to hold r when you press a or b to cancel the last text box
[19:59] <Kosmicd12> y did he give me the tunic lol
[19:59] <Kosmicd12> i have cojiro
[19:59] <Kosmicd12> guys get milk from adult talon
[20:00] <+cafde> is it for sure that this gets around deku nut upgrade problem?
[20:00] <@maxx> what versions are you guys using
[20:00] <@maxx> anyone who has successfully done it
[20:01] <Kosmicd12> i tried on vc but im going to try again
[20:01] <Exodus> odd. i can easily delay collection when recieving prescription but not when recieving claim check
[20:01] <Kosmicd12> it didnt work :(
[20:01] <Exodus> im on 1.0
[20:01] <Exodus> in b4 1.0 only
[20:01] <Kosmicd12> jarv 1.1
[20:01] <Exodus> oh
[20:01] <Kosmicd12> <1.2 only
[20:02] <Exodus> hold r when recieve bottle lol? ill try
[20:03] <Kosmicd12> child pocket cucco totally gonna happen
[20:03] <Samura1man> lol
[20:03] <Samura1man> colored gaunts RBAing as child
[20:03] <Kosmicd12> rebalance bronze gaunts gain
[20:03] <Kosmicd12> again*
[20:04] <Exodus> wouldnt be equipped tho =/
[20:04] <Kosmicd12> rba green potion?
[20:04] <+cafde> would give you strength though
[20:04] <Kosmicd12> like mush
[20:04] <Exodus> oh yeah
[20:07] <Kosmicd12> k im saved in ice cavern ima try again
[20:07] <Exodus> can you not show letter to kz if you have sapphire?
[20:07] <@ZFG> how 2 new trick http://pastebin.com/uSGUeWvF
[20:07] <Samura1man> LOL
[20:07] <Abahbob> best paste
[20:07] <Exodus> lol
[20:07] <%mzxrules> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzGr-WpZBOs
[20:08] <Enterim> zfg: please simplify
[20:08] <stonenot> gay
[20:08] <Enterim> I don't get all these acronyms
[20:08] <Enterim> what's "HOLD"
[20:08] <Kosmicd12> ya its not working for me
[20:08] <Kosmicd12> whats hte hookshot way
[20:09] <Exodus> what thats weird kosmic
[20:09] <Kosmicd12> im holding R before text is that bad
[20:09] <Exodus> also why cant you show kz letter with sapphire.....
[20:09] <Exodus> its not working
[20:10] <Exodus> i  guess since his text changes
[20:10] <@maxx> yeah if you have sapphire you can't move kz
[20:10] <%mzxrules> kosmic, do you have a shield?
[20:10] <@maxx> ask cosmo how he did in kazooie's puzzle race
[20:10] <Kosmicd12> yesi  do
[20:10] <Kosmicd12> it doesnt work on VC D: lol
[20:10] <%mzxrules> did you move king zora?
[20:10] <Kosmicd12> yes
[20:10] <Kosmicd12> oh maybe thats it
[20:10] <%mzxrules> oh fuck
[20:10] <Exodus> yes
[20:10] <Samura1man> lol
[20:11] <%mzxrules> this glitch is just like shit
[20:11] <Kosmicd12> was this all ready known or what lol
[20:11] <Samura1man> tiny things
[20:11] <%mzxrules> it's known that there's a lot of weirdness to it
[20:11] <+cafde> i just did it with king zora moved
[20:11] <%mzxrules> like, with my hookshot method you have to angle for some reason
[20:11] <Kosmicd12> ur on n64
[20:11] <+cafde> (on 1.0)
[20:11] <Kosmicd12> omfg it doesnt work on vc lol
[20:11] <Abahbob> king zora is so fucked up
[20:12] <Kosmicd12> whats this hookshot method
[20:12] <%mzxrules> spam hookshot when tunic dialog ends, aim up (maybe aim toward king zora's face) Z
[20:12] <@maxx> mother fucker
[20:12] <%mzxrules> when you press Z you'll collect
[20:12] <Exodus> or a worked for me
[20:13] <Kosmicd12> k ima get my stream up
[20:14] <Kosmicd12> http://www.twitch.tv/kosmicd12#
[20:15] <@maxx> are you allowed to skip dorf in mst
[20:15] <Exodus> he probably cant move for it to work. i doubt its due to vc
[20:15] <Samura1man> I should test this on GC
[20:16] <Samura1man> but I'm lazy
[20:16] <Samura1man> nvm, I'll test
[20:16] <+cafde> tried n64 1.2 and it didn't work
[20:16] <Exodus> :O
[20:16] <+cafde> at least not the hold R method
[20:16] <Kosmicd12> cafde said it worked w/ moved
[20:16] <Exodus> oh
[20:16] <Exodus> is cafde n64?
[20:16] <Kosmicd12> wait
[20:16] <+cafde> yeah
[20:16] <+cafde> it works with him moved
[20:16] <Kosmicd12> so for hookshot method i just mash hookshot button? should i hold Z?
[20:17] <Exodus> just mash hookshot
[20:17] <Exodus> no z
[20:17] <Kosmicd12> k
[20:17] <r0bd0g> if this doesn't work on 1.2 it's about the lamest thing I've ever heard
[20:17] <Kosmicd12> is it 1 frame
[20:17] <Samura1man> I have file for this, yes
[20:17] <+cafde> lol
[20:17] <Exodus> yeah 1 frame
[20:17] <+cafde> n64!
[20:17] <Kosmicd12> o i am bad :(
[20:17] <@maxx> are there any trials that would be hard to do with hammer on B
[20:18] <Kosmicd12> rg destined to be 100% wr holder
[20:18] <Exodus> lol
[20:18] <%mzxrules> kosmic, mash hookshot button, and when he pulls just stop
[20:19] <@maxx> nintendo discovered this glitch in 1998. when they fixed it in 1.2, somehow they added in drinking empty bottles
[20:19] <%mzxrules> well, over mashing won't hurt, you don't cancel the delay if you mash too much
[20:19] <Kosmicd12> ok
[20:19] <Kosmicd12> you said i need to aim up or something tho lol
[20:19] <+cafde> you can drink bottles in 1.0/1.1, it just doesn't restore health (for who knows what reason)
[20:19] <Exodus> after you are in 1st person
[20:20] <Exodus> really i didnt know it was 1.0/1.1 only
[20:21] <Kosmicd12> pretty sure this hookshot thing is <1.2 only too Kappa
[20:22] <r0bd0g> ugh this about the biggest version difference yet
[20:22] <Samura1man> if this works on GC, I won't never play on VC
[20:22] <+cafde> what's the hookshot method
[20:22] <Samura1man> lol
[20:22] <@maxx> i just wrote a dumb mst rba route (no stick b) 8D
[20:23] <r0bd0g> I could check gc IDK if I have a file though...
[20:23] <Kosmicd12> hookshot method doesnt work lol
[20:23] <Exodus> yeah how would you do team segmented on vc if its n64 only =/
[20:23] <@maxx> i will try playing it this week to see if i forgot anything
[20:23] <r0bd0g> well if it's doesn't work on vc then at the least they don't have to completely restart before of it...
[20:25] <Kosmicd12> i dont actually belive this hookshot thing is possible lol
[20:25] <%mzxrules> doesn't work in v1.0 heh
[20:25] <Kosmicd12> what
[20:25] <Exodus> have you ever done collection delay kosmic?
[20:25] <Kosmicd12> not in oot
[20:25] <Exodus> is colelction delay n64 only lol
[20:26] <%mzxrules> o
[20:26] <%mzxrules> it's looking like collection delay is 1.0 only
[20:26] <Kosmicd12> maybe i shou.ld hold R and mash hookshot lol
[20:26] <Kosmicd12> cant i pull out a bomb or something instead
[20:26] <%mzxrules> cosmic
[20:27] <%mzxrules> can you hear him pull the shield out?
[20:27] <Exodus> you can for collection delay idk if it will give you frog though
[20:27] <Kosmicd12> wait
[20:27] <Kosmicd12> you mean w/ holding R method
[20:27] <Samura1man> R didn't work
[20:27] <Kosmicd12> mzxrules
[20:27] <Exodus> vc samura1?
[20:27] <Kosmicd12> gc
[20:27] <Exodus> oh
[20:27] <Samura1man> GC
[20:27] <Exodus> same thing
[20:27] <Exodus> :P
[20:28] <Samura1man> 1.2
[20:28] <Samura1man> I know
[20:28] <Kosmicd12> the voids beg to differ
[20:28] <Exodus> lol
[20:28] <%mzxrules> doesn't work in 1.2 then
[20:28] <%mzxrules> no collection delay
[20:28] <Exodus> lol funny
[20:28] <Kosmicd12> can i use a bomb or something
[20:28] <%mzxrules> possibly
[20:28] <Exodus> you can for colelction delay kosmic
[20:28] <Kosmicd12> ill try that
[20:28] <Exodus> that hasnt been tested to give frog thougb
[20:29] <Kosmicd12> didnt work
[20:29] <Exodus> its funny i actually just made a video of collection delay of adult trade items like yesterday
[20:29] <Exodus> then this is found today
[20:30] <%mzxrules> it's not working in 1.2
[20:30] <+cafde> jarvitz on 1.0 or 1.1?
[20:30] <%mzxrules> it's 100% patched
[20:30] <%mzxrules> on 1.2
[20:30] <Exodus> lmao
[20:30] <Enterim> so he's dq'd from the puzzle race for using version specific glitches
[20:31] <Enterim> retroactively
[20:31] <Exodus> lol
[20:31] <%mzxrules> lolol
[20:31] <%mzxrules> http://youtu.be/kzGr-WpZBOs
[20:31] <%mzxrules> but yea in that video you can hear navi yell when I get the the eyeball frog
[20:32] <%mzxrules> doesn't happen in 1.2
[20:32] <%mzxrules> wait scratch that
[20:32] <%mzxrules> idfk what i'm talk'n bout
[20:33] <Exodus> didnt we think kz unfreeze was 1.0 at first. i think wait for sockfolder to investigate X)
[20:33] <Kosmicd12> he doesnt make shield noise
[20:33] <Kosmicd12> when i try r method
[20:36] <%mzxrules> it is very obvious it can't be done in 1.2
[20:37] <Kosmicd12> somebody try 1.0 inject lol
[20:37] <%mzxrules> in 1.0 there is a frame where the map comes up
[20:37] <%mzxrules> the UI appears very differently in 1.0 vs 1.2 as well
[20:37] <%mzxrules> in 1.0 the C buttons fade out
[20:37] <%mzxrules> but in 1.2 they fade in
[20:38] <%mzxrules> like night and day
[20:38] <Exodus> nice observation
[20:38] <Jarvitz> my cart is 1.1
[20:38] <Jarvitz> so it works there
[20:38] <Exodus> yep
[20:38] <Jarvitz> cafde 1.1
[20:38] <Kosmicd12> bingo impossible to balance now
[20:39] <Kosmicd12> 100% requires n64 lo
[20:39] <Kosmicd12> l
[20:39] <Enterim> that suuuucks
[20:39] <+Runnerguy2489> fucking justice if true
[20:39] <%mzxrules> it's true
[20:39] <+pokey> fucking all of you have to drive to each other's house switching carts
[20:39] <%mzxrules> i'm convinced collection delay doesn't work in 1.2
[20:39] <benstephens1000> Damn that sucks
[20:39] <Jarvitz> 1.2 n64 as well?
[20:40] <Kosmicd12> i have a 1.2 cart :o
[20:40] <Kosmicd12> ill see if i have a file
[20:40] <Jarvitz> 1.0 1.1 only
[20:40] <r0bd0g> ugh that's awful
[20:40] <Jarvitz> gj bingo
[20:41] <Kosmicd12> omg the file select
[20:41] <Kosmicd12> on n64
[20:41] <@maxx> it's slow as balls, right?
[20:41] <@maxx> takes like 18 seconds to open a file
[20:41] <%AniMeowzerz> xd
[20:41] <Kosmicd12> lol
[20:41] <RME> the n64 is struggles
[20:41] <Enterim> just mail the cart around pokey
[20:41] <@maxx> but no classic controller text so there's that
[20:41] <Kosmicd12> pretty sure lag is longer than classiccontroller message
[20:41] <@maxx> Kosmicd12: go to botw
[20:41] <@maxx> on n64
[20:41] <Kosmicd12> lol
[20:41] <@maxx> just try to do like, botw chus
[20:41] <%AniMeowzerz> xd!
[20:41] <@maxx> that first skulltula is like
[20:41] <Kosmicd12> i did it once
[20:41] <@maxx> 50 seconds of lag
[20:42] <RME> Water temple
[20:42] <Kosmicd12> maybe thats why i had so much trouble learning it
[20:42] <RME> chug city
[20:42] <benstephens1000> XD
[20:42] <RME> on that entrance
[20:42] <Kosmicd12> oh my gosh
[20:42] <Kosmicd12> i have 1 file
[20:42] <Kosmicd12> and it hasnt dot skipped
[20:42] <Kosmicd12> what do i do
[20:42] <RME> natural route tim
[20:42] <RME> e
[20:42] <Kosmicd12> wait
[20:42] <Kosmicd12> i have the stones lol
[20:46] <Jarvitz> someone dq me from the puzzle race cuz i did a version specific trick
[20:46] <Jarvitz> lol
[20:47] <Kosmicd12> wtf
[20:47] <Kosmicd12> i just dot skipped on n64 first try lol
[20:47] <Kosmicd12> not so bad lol
[20:48] <@maxx> why would it be
[20:48] <@maxx> tot isn't laggy or anything
[20:49] <r0bd0g> oh uh I had an idea to get chest storage on the greatfish superswim and maybe you could just go up any old wall and pull the ww but when I got double storage (I think I got it anyway...) and opened the chest, I didn't get camera lock.... and then I saved with the chest open for some reason :/
[20:49] <%mzxrules> ok guys
[20:49] <%mzxrules> someone figure out how to Z-Target with hookshot out during collection delay
[20:50] <%mzxrules> got it to work once
[20:50] <Samura1man> 1.2?
[20:50] <%mzxrules> nah 1.0 stuffs
[20:50] <Exodus> well collection delay works differently on different npcs
[20:50] <%mzxrules> howso

[20:50] <@Cosmo> HEH if the new trick only works on 1.0/1.1
[20:51] <@Cosmo> how do u feel about the validity of a WR if its on N64 1.0, 1.1, 1.2, VC, GCN, iQue, PJ64, Mupen ?
[20:51] <@Cosmo> opinions plz
[20:51] <@maxx> Cosmo: ique never
[20:51] <Kosmicd12> ique is a little unfair isnt it
[20:51] <@maxx> everything else fine with emus as "sketchy but mostly ok"
[20:52] <+Runnerguy2489> what isn't "unfair"
[20:52] <RME> Oh man I forgot the ique existed as a thing
[20:52] <@Cosmo> iQue is faster than japanese version
[20:52] <Kosmicd12> why are you playing the chinese version Kappa
[20:52] <@Cosmo> and is official release I think heh
[20:52] <@maxx> the thing i like about emus being allowed is that
[20:52] <@maxx> we created a sort of monetary barrier to entry when we all switched to jp
[20:53] <@maxx> either import a cart or buy a wii
[20:53] <@maxx> emu offers a $0 way to play JP
[20:53] <@maxx> which i like
[20:53] <%mzxrules> but
[20:53] <Exodus> i show it in this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpcrtFmqYpo
[20:53] <%mzxrules> a wii is going to be like $30 soon
[20:53] <@Cosmo> ive been asking ppl about their opinions on emulator and various version things
[20:53] <@Cosmo> and people all have very different opinions
[20:54] <@Cosmo> nobody seems to agree
[20:54] <%mzxrules> so that's only $30 for console, $500 for the ultimate capture card
[20:55] <@Cosmo> ok relevant example here
[20:55] <thunderio> I think emulators should offer a very similar experience to playing on console in order for it to be allowed
[20:55] <+Runnerguy2489> just prescription -> further and the rbas with them
[20:55] <@Cosmo> if 100% is best for N64 because of 1.0 then wouldnt emu be broken cause it has no lag
[20:55] <thunderio> pretty much it should be so similar that you couldn't tell the difference between the two (because at that point someone could say they were on console but not be) imo
[20:55] <Kosmicd12> we have to remove all defeat x boss goals because its easier to get biggorons sword now
[20:56] <%mzxrules> i know how to fix this
[20:56] <%mzxrules> ask nintendo for a 1.0 jap build
[20:56] <thunderio> PETITION!
[20:56] <@Cosmo> if VC/GCN did not exist do you think emu would be banned because its faster than N64
[20:56] <@maxx> i like that some versions are better for some categories
[20:56] <@maxx> Cosmo: probably
[20:57] <+Runnerguy2489> well I didn't like that any% used stick B for a while
[20:57] <RME> I've been playing OoT for so long on VC that when i switched back to n64 this semester
[20:57] <RME> all that lag
[20:57] <RME> that I never noticed when I was younger
[20:57] <+Runnerguy2489> couldn't even compete in that category
[20:57] <Jarvitz> so why does gold scale work on all version and not this? are they not as similar as we thought?
[20:57] <%sockfolder> here is a funny thing
[20:57] <Jarvitz> that is true RG
[20:57] <@Cosmo> as it stands now, N64 cant compete in any% anyway cause lag difference
[20:57] <%sockfolder> if you pull out a bomb after talking to kz
[20:57] <+cafde> was about to say that cosmo
[20:57] <+Runnerguy2489> yeah you are right cosmo
[20:57] <%sockfolder> it delays receiving the item
[20:57] <+Runnerguy2489> that's when I just said, "meh whoever wants to claim WR and stuff can"
[20:58] <Samura1man> *bingo is gonna start*
[20:58] <%sockfolder> and depending on where you stand when the bomb explodes, you get either tunic or eyeball frog
[20:58] <Samura1man> "I want to see a card first before I choose a platfrom where to play"
[20:58] <@Cosmo> jiano used to do that
[20:58] <@Cosmo> waiting to see suns song
[20:58] <@Cosmo> and turning on GCN
[20:58] <Jarvitz> i dont think bingo should be allowed to be raced until it is rebalanced lol
[20:58] <Samura1man> "Prescription, 3 boss keys"
[20:58] <Exodus> if you delay normally getting eyeball frog you here a weird sound and dont get eyeball frog
[20:58] <@maxx> i have switched to 1.1 before when fire arrows came up
[20:58] <boris> my opinion is that only official releases should be considered... the problem is ique's accessibility, and my argument for not counting is that the ique version doesnt have a rom dump
[20:58] <@maxx> swapped carts real quick
[20:58] <Samura1man> "I'll choose N64 with 1.0 versioN"
[20:58] <Samura1man> lol
[20:58] <Exodus> the sound is like picking up an item
[20:58] <Exodus> like bombs
[20:59] <boris> but the problem with that argument is that its based on whether it can be emulated when i am against considering emulator runs
[20:59] <boris> so idk
[20:59] <boris> lol
[20:59] <@maxx> the only thing i like about emulator runs is accessibility (especially of JP)
[20:59] <@maxx> and ease of streaming too
[20:59] <@Cosmo> it seems like everybody accepted that N64 is fucked if ur trying to do any%
[20:59] <@maxx> no extra hardware
[20:59] <RME> emus have the easiest streaming
[20:59] <Exodus> without savestates i wouldnt have found any of my tricks
[20:59] <+Runnerguy2489> yeah, I'd say ban emu but the fact that runs have moved to jp, that's the only option some have to get it
[20:59] <boris> i dont like emulator because it varies based on your computer's performanc
[20:59] <boris> or can vary
[21:00] <@Cosmo> mayb if this new trick is 1.0 only, VC is fucked and N64 is the one to use, however if Emu is still allowed for 100% then it would be broken yea?
[21:00] <@Cosmo> cause way less lag
[21:00] <Jarvitz> yeah
[21:00] <Jarvitz> cosmo
[21:00] <Jarvitz> its 1.1 as well
[21:00] <@Cosmo> right my bad
[21:00] <Jarvitz> :p
[21:00] <+Runnerguy2489> nah I wouldn't care
[21:00] <Wodahs-Reklaw> if emu is allowed then why is inject banned?
[21:00] <Kosmicd12> lets all play on 1.0 vc
[21:00] <+Runnerguy2489> if someone did 1.0 emu vs my 1.0 n64
[21:00] <boris> inject is banend because
[21:00] <Wodahs-Reklaw> I can understand the ethics issue
[21:00] <Kosmicd12> ique
[21:00] <boris> it combines vc advantages and 1.0 advantages
[21:00] <boris> or 1.1 w/e
[21:00] <Jarvitz> idk
[21:00] <Wodahs-Reklaw> but doesn't emu?
[21:00] <boris> there is no official vc 1.0 or 1.1 release
[21:00] <boris> no
[21:00] <Jarvitz> i think overall emu should be banned, but w/e
[21:00] <boris> stick b crashes
[21:00] <@Cosmo> VC1.0 is not official
[21:00] <boris> on emu
[21:00] <@Cosmo> neither is PJ64
[21:00] <Exodus> emu really isnt that much faster than n64
[21:01] <Jarvitz> emu doesnt have random ass lag
[21:01] <boris> the "vc advantage" that is the reason for banning injects is specifically the stick b shit
[21:01] <@maxx> just to throw this out there
[21:01] <@maxx> what about MQ
[21:01] <Exodus> emu can also crash randomly
[21:01] <@maxx> if emu is allowed for oot, is it for MQ?
[21:01] <@maxx> if so that's SUPER unfair
[21:01] <boris> no way
[21:01] <boris> ^
[21:01] <boris> also mq vc inject
[21:01] <boris> is broken
[21:01] <@maxx> the ONLY official release of mq has long menus after a reset
[21:01] <Exodus> emu has slow ass pauses which are just as bad as n64 lag
[21:01] <boris> that said it is much harder to get jp mq disc
[21:02] <+cafde> what about emu gc rom, no n64 logo
[21:02] <boris> emu gc rom is also unfair i think
[21:02] <+cafde> where's the line drawn
[21:02] <@Cosmo> yea
[21:02] <@Cosmo> we should all discuss this more
[21:02] <boris> although
[21:02] <@maxx> that is the question cafde
[21:02] <boris> isnt the double void hover shit
[21:02] <boris> becuase of the gc disc's emulator
[21:02] <@maxx> cosmo keep asking ur twitter peeps about it
[21:02] <@Cosmo> yes, but its an official version
[21:02] <@maxx> maybe the zsr account should tweet asking about this
[21:02] <@maxx> it has a lot of followers too
[21:03] <Jarvitz> im sorry i caused so much trouble lol
[21:03] <@maxx> and srl account
[21:03] <+cafde> don't be jarvitz
[21:03] <@Cosmo> no jarvitz your find is really cool and this discussion has been postponed too long
[21:03] <+cafde> I'm glad this stuff is finally being brought up
[21:03] <@maxx> yeah
[21:03] <@maxx> it was coming to this
[21:03] <Jarvitz> ok lol.
[21:03] <@maxx> overdue
[21:03] <@maxx> anyway brb gonna go buy a hammer
[21:03] <Jarvitz> also i did version specificin wodah's puzzle lol
[21:04] <Mr_Carter> lol
[21:04] <Wodahs-Reklaw> look I want as many people to want to do runs and have a bigger community so I would not want to exclude people by not supporting unoffical version.
[21:04] <+Runnerguy2489> ^
[21:04] <@Cosmo> yea i also want as many ppl as possible doing runs
[21:04] <@Cosmo> altho ppl are always like
[21:04] <@Cosmo> emu is "sketchy" or "maybe WR maybe not"
[21:04] <boris> well
[21:04] <boris> if u care enough to go for wr
[21:04] <boris> then i guess you should invest appropriately?
[21:05] <@Cosmo> fine argument but what about the ppl who dont go for WR
[21:05] <@Cosmo> but want to submit their times and stuff
[21:05] <stonenot> emulator should be banned
[21:05] <boris> separate leaderboards? :/
[21:05] <Exodus> emu is fine. just dont do void hovers lol
[21:05] <boris> that sounds bad though
[21:05] <Wodahs-Reklaw> Emulator has advantages in framerate but small disadvantages in pauseing.
[21:06] <boris> i dont like the idea of sep leaderboards
[21:06] <stonenot> what about that deadzone stuff
[21:06] <Wodahs-Reklaw> well on ZSR it is said that 3rd party controllers are not banned for prefrence
[21:06] <Wodahs-Reklaw> as long as turbo isnt used or something
[21:06] <stonenot> poodleskirt changed the deadzone for his MST WR
[21:06] <RME> It'd be nice if emus were more accurate I guess
[21:06] <+cafde> emu is still getting n64 controls (easier angle changing) without the n64 lag disadvantage
[21:06] <stonenot> so he could ess better
[21:06] <Wodahs-Reklaw> but yes that is different as different versions handle the controls
[21:06] <stonenot> sounds like cheats imo
[21:06] <Exodus> emus are very accurate what are you talkign about
[21:07] <RME> not the degree of like, BSNES
[21:07] <Kosmicd12> every version has pros and cons but emu as a lot of pros...
[21:07] <Exodus> they have some graphical errors that dont matter
[21:07] <Wodahs-Reklaw> emulator is way better for essing compared to GC / VC
[21:07] <@Cosmo> the creator of bsnes said he doesnt think there will be a frame-accurate emulator for N64 in our lifetime
[21:07] <RME> There probably won't
[21:07] <stonenot> yeah wodahs figuring that you can pretty much cheat to ess
[21:08] <Kosmicd12> you could use n64 on vc
[21:08] <Jarvitz> yeah
[21:08] <Kosmicd12> controller
[21:08] <+Runnerguy2489> well
[21:08] <@Cosmo> i dont think that helps much kosmicd unless u get ings adaptor heh
[21:08] <+Runnerguy2489> you could use an n64 controller for 10 years
[21:08] <+Runnerguy2489> and ess easier too
[21:08] <RME> and to get an emulator as accurate for n64 as BSNES is for snes would require a lot of fucking cpu power probably
[21:09] <stonenot> everyone should just buy a wii and play vc
[21:09] <Kosmicd12> no seriously, lets all play on chinese vc 1.0 injects
[21:09] <Kosmicd12> with n64 controllers
[21:09] <stonenot> i found a chinese rom online but i never bothered to play it
[21:09] <@Cosmo> alec offered to mail me his iQue to set some unbeatable any% run
[21:09] <@Cosmo> lol
[21:09] <Jarvitz> lol ive gained like 30 followers since a few hours ago
[21:09] <@Cosmo> i turned it down
[21:09] <Wodahs-Reklaw> It comes down to the user for how good they are at ESSing and I personally have no hate for emu control differences. I aknowledge how different it is but I weighed the differences and it doesn't make a huge differnece
[21:10] <Kosmicd12> btw eyeyball frog doesnt work on 1.2 n64 lol
[21:10] <RME> how broken is the ique version
[21:10] <@Cosmo> actually idk how much lag there is in the castle escape
[21:10] <@Cosmo> on ique
[21:10] <@Cosmo> but the chinese text owns the jp text
[21:10] <Kosmicd12> is it really that much faster than jp :o lol
[21:10] <Wodahs-Reklaw> that is my main concern, eyeball frog trick is really good, I want to do it on the version of my preference which is VC but I cannot because I cannot use an inject of VC, however emulator is allowed in the current state
[21:11] <Wodahs-Reklaw> I could switch to n64 and relearn the controls
[21:11] <Wodahs-Reklaw> but that is a hastle that I don't know if I want to undertake
[21:11] <@Cosmo> that is a good question
[21:11] <Koobes> you also have to pay decent money for a n64 nowadays
[21:11] <stonenot> emulator should only be allowed if everyone uses the exact same settings
[21:11] <Wodahs-Reklaw> it seems quite selfish but yah
[21:11] <@Cosmo> speedrun-approved emu+settings might be a thing
[21:11] <@Cosmo> but idk lol
[21:11] <Shredwot> No frame limiter would be a start
[21:11] <Exodus> what settings
[21:11] <@jiano> console player should never be at a disadvantage to emulator, emulator players should be forced to move to console, not the othe way around
[21:12] <boris> ^
[21:12] <@jiano> pj64 is super inaccurate and should never be taken seriously
[21:12] <Kosmicd12> vc pros: least lag, deku stick B, stuff cons: this new trick o_O controls, resets
[21:12] <boris> vc's existence is a big reason that im ok with emulator records tbh
[21:12] <Shredwot> Some people don't have access to MTSC consoles though
[21:12] <stonenot> vc pros: everything
[21:12] <stonenot> except gay controls
[21:12] <Shredwot> which is why emulator is popular
[21:12] <Shredwot> NTSC*
[21:12] <Kosmicd12> n64 pros: controls, this trick o_O  cons: no stick B, lag
[21:12] <stonenot> poodleskirt has enough money to buy a wii
[21:13] <Wodahs-Reklaw> resets also kosmic
[21:13] <stonenot> i know because he has partner (when he shouldnt)
[21:13] <Exodus> can somebody tell me the inaccuracies of project 64? i have yet to see one that makes a difference
[21:13] <@jiano> lol if u think poodle has made enough money from partner to get a wii
[21:13] <Kosmicd12> emu pros: little lag, accessability, resets controls cons: pause buffering...
[21:13] <stonenot> he also brags about his rich parents all the time jiano
[21:13] <Wodahs-Reklaw> random crashes too kosmic
[21:13] <boris> he gets a lot of money from donations i think
[21:13] <Wodahs-Reklaw> ie forest trial
[21:13] <stonenot> then asks for donations on his stream
[21:13] <Kosmicd12> ye
[21:13] <Wodahs-Reklaw> or suns in kak
[21:13] <@jiano> ok u said cus he had partner
[21:13] <Koobes> Emu crashing from suns in kak
[21:13] <Koobes> ugh
[21:13] <Koobes> that killed me
[21:13] <Shredwot> fun
[21:14] <@jiano> exodus are you serious? lol
[21:14] <Kosmicd12> adult bazaar is the worst
[21:14] <Wodahs-Reklaw> that too\
[21:14] <Exodus> jiano: believe it or not, I am
[21:14] <boris> Exodus
[21:14] <@jiano> try any game on pj64, then try it on n64
[21:14] <boris> when was the last time u played on a console
[21:14] <@jiano> way diff
[21:14] <Koobes> Exodus, it runs at a perfect 60 fps, n64/vc run at 59.97, GC runs at 60
[21:15] <@jiano> the lag is never consistent with console
[21:15] <Kosmicd12> that explains void hovers amirite
[21:15] <@jiano> and more often it has no lag at all
[21:15] <Shredwot> it drops to about 45 when you pause
[21:15] <@jiano> in games
[21:15] <stonenot> seriously though all emulator players should play console for their own good and because you can deadzone cheat on emu which is gay
[21:15] <Shredwot> but there is next to no frame spikes when doing a run
[21:15] <Exodus> ok thank you for explaining.  now i know
[21:15] <Koobes> emu has its uses
[21:15] <@jiano> if you are serious about a game just get the console, idk why ud wanna stick with emu
[21:15] <Koobes> I used emu for a long time
[21:15] <Shredwot> Emu deadzone is usually 0% for N64 controllers, which is what most people use
[21:15] <Kosmicd12> i hated emulator
[21:15] <Kosmicd12> pause buffering on 1.6..
[21:16] <stonenot> i don't see how n64 deadzone is 0%
[21:16] <@jiano> all the diff version of pj64, all the diff plugins etc
[21:16] <@jiano> makes it super inconsistent even between other emu players
[21:16] <Wodahs-Reklaw> I like console and I want to stay with it, but I could easily do 100% now on emu with 1.0 vs staying with vc and using an inject, vs re-learning a bunch of tricks for the n64 controller
[21:16] <+zodiac> emu is fine for snes or w/e but n64 emu is so BAD
[21:16] <@jiano> apparently sm64 players have ome shit that makes it get rid of all lag
[21:16] <Koobes> also computer differences jiano
[21:16] <Exodus> wow
[21:16] <Samura1man> easily?
[21:16] <Samura1man> have fun with pausebuffering
[21:17] <stonenot> wodahs are u using 1.0 inject
[21:17] <stonenot> because thats banned
[21:17] <stonenot> cheater
[21:17] <Wodahs-Reklaw> no I dont
[21:17] <Kosmicd12> moltov did that for a while lol
[21:17] <Wodahs-Reklaw> I had it at one point for more files
[21:17] <Shredwot> Pause buffering isn't so bad for emulator anymore apparently
[21:17] <boris> if he used 1.0 inject he'd have no reason to switch from vc >_>
[21:17] <@jiano> u guys gotta realize too this isnt just a problem with oot, its across all games
[21:17] <Wodahs-Reklaw> like lets be honest, obviously I dont have a legit JP version for VC
[21:17] <Shredwot> what advantages are there for 1.0 that 1.2 doesn't have?
[21:17] <Shredwot> apart from hover casting
[21:17] <RME> Red blood
[21:18] <stonenot> emulator has some dumb advantages on some games though
[21:18] <Kosmicd12> light arrow QUICK TEXT
[21:18] <stonenot> like mmx2
[21:18] <Wodahs-Reklaw> this all comes down to the philosophy, what is good waht is bad, what is fair for speedrunning.
[21:18] <@jiano> having 100 separate categories is bad for ur game, but lumping them all together is shit too
[21:18] <@jiano> its a big headache
[21:18] <Shredwot> and Banjo Kazooie
[21:18] <Wodahs-Reklaw> Ideally everyone uses the same version
[21:18] <boris> on 1.0 some doors have a wider open trigger lol
[21:18] <Wodahs-Reklaw> but that will never happen
[21:18] <stonenot> everyone should just use vc 1.2
[21:18] <Shredwot> yeah 1.0 the door triggers are huge
[21:18] <Kosmicd12> rod steal guys
[21:18] <Kosmicd12> its so op
[21:18] <RME> that's because MMX2 used some weird coprocessor isn't it
[21:18] <boris> rod steal!
[21:18] <Shredwot> hover casting is strong
[21:18] <+cafde> 1.0 j doesn't have light arrow quicktext
[21:18] <stonenot> idk rme i don't play that game lol