TboneShlongerToday at 7:03 PM
Hey for me to reapply do you want me to do everything again or do you want to just test me again?

the_meat_sweatsToday at 7:04 PM
please wait 60 days to reapply
I made that correction on the vet post, but forgot to include the mentor one
TboneShlongerToday at 7:04 PM

What? I have to wait 60 days?  Why do long?
So*
the_meat_sweatsToday at 7:05 PM

because the improvements needed don't get learned in a week
actually, for mentors I'll make it 1 month
2 months is too long for that
TboneShlongerToday at 7:06 PM

Literally all you said was I need to learn the max punishes

the_meat_sweatsToday at 7:06 PM
generally speaking, if you're not passed it's due either to a huge personality issue (which I don't think is the case for you, because you're a chill dude)

TboneShlongerToday at 7:06 PM
That doesn’t take 60 days to learn

the_meat_sweatsToday at 7:06 PM
or because you lack some pretty fundamental experience
not realizing that max punishes exist, much less knowing about them, demonstrates a deeper lack of understanding than just learning the punishes, unfortunately
I'm sorry

TboneShlongerToday at 7:07 PM
WHAT?!
I know about max punishes obviously I’m not a moron I didn’t know they had changed because of the recent patch that went live DAYS before I took the test

the_meat_sweatsToday at 7:09 PM
from what I was told, it wasn't OoS punishes that were mistaken
which were the only things changed in the recent patch

TboneShlongerToday at 7:09 PM
I literally did the max punish before the patch when t live
Yes it was
That’s literally what I did wrong
Everything else you said was fine

the_meat_sweatsToday at 7:09 PM
Please keep in mind that I didn't do the testing, and I can only tell you what I was told by the veteran who tested you

TboneShlongerToday at 7:10 PM
Yes you did do the testing
You tested me

the_meat_sweatsToday at 7:10 PM
wait it was me?
shit it was

TboneShlongerToday at 7:10 PM
Yes it definitely was

the_meat_sweatsToday at 7:10 PM
sorry dude
i'm swamped with a bunch of stuff and forgot, i'm sorry

TboneShlongerToday at 7:10 PM
All I did wrong was OOS punishes that had just changed
It’s fine

the_meat_sweatsToday at 7:10 PM
oh
and you're reapplying for veteran
```
You were unfamiliar with basic gank setups, or the ganks themselves, but you did learn quickly. Based on this, I assume you're also unfamiliar with higher level 4s concepts, like external guarding rules, revenge tags, rotation, and a basic understanding of the current 4s meta and why characters are chosen to fulfill given roles. These are things Veterans must know because, in the future, we will be hosting workshops to teach these concepts to newer players, or experience players who want to refine their team play.
```
from my post
it's not just max punishes
vet testing has a very high bar for a reason

TboneShlongerToday at 7:11 PM
I’m not unfamiliar with ganks....

the_meat_sweatsToday at 7:11 PM
you were
you didn't know raider gank
you didn't know LB gank

TboneShlongerToday at 7:12 PM
RAIDER ISNT MY MAIN

the_meat_sweatsToday at 7:12 PM
you sort of knew them
he's not my main either
nor is lb
or shaman
or nuxia

TboneShlongerToday at 7:12 PM
IM APPLYING FOR WARDEN

the_meat_sweatsToday at 7:12 PM
or cent
but i know all their ganks
ah

TboneShlongerToday at 7:12 PM
Ok cool

the_meat_sweatsToday at 7:12 PM
you're focusing on the one characters aspect
I'm sorry if you think that's the reason the role wasn't given

TboneShlongerToday at 7:13 PM
I’m literally applying for warden the vet description says being expert with ONE character not the entire cast gank setups

the_meat_sweatsToday at 7:13 PM
no, the test was to confirm your knowledge and skill
you didn't have the required knowledge, both about warden, and the game in general
and because it's a vet test, it's 60 days minimum to reapply
vets aren't given vet because they're good with 1 character
vets are given vet because they know a crazy amount about the game, and can share that knowledge
they use it to inform how they play and teach

TboneShlongerToday at 7:15 PM
Ok so basically what you’re saying is I have to wait 60 days because I didnt know how to gank with characters I’m not apply to be a veteran for and because I didn’t know the max punishes for warden that were just changed?

the_meat_sweatsToday at 7:15 PM
no
what I'm saying is you didn't have enough knowledge about warden
and you didn't have enough knowledge about the game in general

TboneShlongerToday at 7:15 PM
Really

the_meat_sweatsToday at 7:15 PM
ganks are a very, very small part of that
yes
you're above average for a mentor
don't get me wrong
but you're currently not vet material

TboneShlongerToday at 7:16 PM
Ok fuck it apparently I know nothing about my character and I have nothing to teach any new warden

the_meat_sweatsToday at 7:16 PM
that's not what I said
you're already a mentor
this is enough to teach people warden

TboneShlongerToday at 7:16 PM
How can you tell me that the character I’ve been playing since release I don’t know well enough

the_meat_sweatsToday at 7:16 PM
and i'm assuming you've been doing that already
because I've also been playing him since release

TboneShlongerToday at 7:17 PM
I KNOW THE CHARACTER FRONT YO BACK DUDE
To*

the_meat_sweatsToday at 7:17 PM
I'm not trying to invalidate your experience
But you did lack specific knowledge about warden that's required of vets
and again, vets aren't about knowing one character very well

TboneShlongerToday at 7:18 PM
Ok tell me what knowledge do I lack I want specifics

the_meat_sweatsToday at 7:18 PM
I'm not trying to attack you or tell you you're trash

TboneShlongerToday at 7:18 PM
I can’t wait to hear this honestly

the_meat_sweatsToday at 7:18 PM
You didn't know the oos punishes, even from before the patch because all you did was a top heavy, you didn't counterplay the sb mixup, you didn't understand why you shouldn't use his overhead unblockable in a duel

TboneShlongerToday at 7:19 PM
WHAT!?

the_meat_sweatsToday at 7:19 PM
vets are expected to also know about 4s things, so you should be able to explain things like heavy blockstun and why this is a good tool to confirm gank setups
you should know windows for damage reduction and timing for punishes
and iirc you told me yourself that you never played in coordinated games before, just in 4 stacks

TboneShlongerToday at 7:21 PM
Honestly fuck it I’m done trying to become a vet I’ll stay with mentors I’m done with this bullshit! This whole situation is pissing me off and I’m just done with it

the_meat_sweatsToday at 7:21 PM
my apologies
again, it's not my intention to tell you you're bad, because you're not bad
people who have the vet role have a much deeper understanding of the game than you do, and that's the most important part of being a vet
don't think you're bad, or that I'm telling you bad things about you
you just lack experience

TboneShlongerToday at 7:22 PM
Hey dude I said I’m done talking about being a vet idgaf anymore about it

the_meat_sweatsToday at 7:22 PM
experience with the technical side of the game
understandable
have a good day