[09:53PM] [|H|otfoxyMom] !owner
[09:53PM] * XeroCreative sets mode: +q |H|otfoxyMom
[09:53PM] [|H|Zero] What?
[09:53PM] [|H|Zero] What happened to the last match?
[09:53PM]   »» nick change |H|otfoxyMom (DMG@Lead.TD.HD) changes nick to "DMG"
[09:53PM]   »» nick change Gohan (Mibbit@XC-27475BF8.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net) changes nick to "Sandra"
[09:53PM] [|W|hats`an`XCT] Loki is allowed to stay, amirit? :3
[09:53PM] [Sandra] No
[09:53PM] [|W|hats`an`XCT] fffuuuu
[09:53PM] [|H|Zero] ???
[09:54PM]   »» nick change Sandra (Mibbit@XC-27475BF8.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net) changes nick to "|W|Sandra"
[09:54PM] [|W|hats`an`XCT] You don't count!
[09:54PM] [|H|Zero] I thought it was double elimination
[09:54PM] [|W|ho-r-u] dmg, you still gotta do your last match against Zero.
[09:54PM] [|H|Zero] There should be at least 1 more match
[09:54PM] [GuybrushThreepwood] 13(13(~13~  The tournament is now: 7OFF 13 ~13~13)13)
[09:54PM] [GuybrushThreepwood] ??
[09:54PM] [DMG] hows tat make any sence thought a bye counts as a win 3-0 atm ur 2-1 that means i would have duel u two more times
[09:54PM] [|H|Zero] what the hell
[09:54PM] [GuybrushThreepwood] wait
[09:54PM] [GuybrushThreepwood] huh?
[09:54PM] [|H|Zero] It wasn't going by wins, DMCG
[09:54PM] [|H|Zero] DMG*
[09:54PM] [|H|Zero] It was going by losses
[09:55PM] [|W|ho-r-u] DMG vs |H|Zero
[09:55PM] [|W|ho-r-u] My connection was way laggy when I pinged
[09:55PM]   »» nick change Android18 (Mibbit@Gardevoir.TD.Trainee) changes nick to "Hermione"
[09:55PM] [GuybrushThreepwood] DMG bs |H|Zero. if Zero wins you guys have to play again
[09:55PM] [GuybrushThreepwood] vs
[09:55PM] [|H|Zero] Yeah
[09:55PM] [|W|ho-r-u] 2mins 24secs
[09:55PM] [Hermione] bleh
[09:55PM] 1212• Hermione bleh's
[09:55PM] [Hermione] you people and your long games
[09:55PM] [|H|Zero] Double Elimination is long
[09:56PM] [GuybrushThreepwood] its funner with more people
[09:56PM] [DMG] double elmination dont make sence with 4 people to start
[09:56PM] [DMG] thats why minium is4
[09:56PM]   «« kick Boxxy has kicked Hermione (Boxxy)
[09:56PM] [|W|ho-r-u] Robin, a long game is a good game.
[09:56PM] [DMG] i didnt notice befor hand
[09:56PM] [Boxxy] no it's not
[09:56PM] [Boxxy] long games are boring
[09:56PM]   »» join Hermione (Mibbit@Gardevoir.TD.Trainee) [Unknown]
[09:56PM]    »» clones detected #xct: Hermione - Boxxy (*!*@Gardevoir.TD.Trainee)
[09:56PM]   »» op XeroCreative ops Hermione in #xct
[09:56PM] [DMG] is 8
[09:57PM] [|H|Zero] That's why it's double elimination not "First to this many points"
[09:58PM] [DMG] u rdy
[09:58PM] [|H|Zero] yep
[09:59PM] [DMG] only good thing about this he has to beat me a total of 4 times
[09:59PM] [|W|ho-r-u] If I had to make a certain point count, I could do it. But I would use a different Deck.
[09:59PM] [|W|ho-r-u] o.o
[10:01PM] [|W|ho-r-u] DMG, I could barely manage 4 times. Do you honestly expect him to pull that off?
[10:01PM] [|H|Zero] GuybrushThreepwood
[10:02PM] 1212• |W|ho-r-u returns to ccg project
[10:03PM] [DMG] normally i have no way to enforce a no deck change rule in a xct but thats how its soposed to be
[10:03PM] [|H|Zero] He didn't state no changing decks
[10:03PM] [DMG] u wouldnt be able change ur deck in a official tournament
[10:04PM] [|H|Zero] I'm sure I'm not the only one that did it
[10:04PM] [|H|Zero] Uhh
[10:04PM] [|H|Zero] This isn't an official tournament?
[10:04PM] [DMG] i know me and horu used the same deck
[10:04PM] [|H|Zero] And I'm 100% sure in other XCTs, people change decks between matches
[10:04PM] [DMG] official touranment rules apply for these
[10:05PM] [|W|hats`an`XCT] I've never heard that before lol.
[10:05PM] [|H|Zero] Me neither
[10:05PM] <|H|Zero> ¯\(°_o)/¯
[10:05PM] [|W|ho-r-u] Yup
[10:05PM] [|W|ho-r-u] I never change my deck during tournaments.
[10:05PM] [Hermione] i change my deck in between turns
[10:05PM] [GuybrushThreepwood] shouldn't you be asking the td?
[10:05PM] [GuybrushThreepwood] >_>
[10:05PM] [|H|Zero] That's not you?
[10:06PM] [DMG] normally in a xct i cant monitor decks between rounds with out asking every one if i a doing a double elemination i can easly tell if same deck is being used
[10:06PM] [|H|Zero] I don't know who organizes these tourneys jeez I just consult whoever sends the globals out
[10:06PM] [|W|hats`an`XCT] Then again, I usually use tournaments as proof-of-concepts for new decks, so I'm not usually changing much.
[10:06PM] [DMG] technically that was still me
[10:06PM] [GuybrushThreepwood] some td's allow deck changes and some don't.
[10:06PM] [|H|Zero] You should probably explicitly state no changing decks then
[10:07PM] [DMG] normally u dont have to its common sence
[10:07PM] [|W|ho-r-u] Karl, an xct is an xct. A tourny is a tourny.
[10:07PM] [|H|Zero] And yet many people I have, have
[10:07PM] [|H|Zero] I have dueled*
[10:07PM] [|H|Zero] And it's not common sense
[10:07PM] [GuybrushThreepwood] If we're going to enforce deck changes DMG, we should be collecting deck lists too.
[10:07PM] [DMG] cause in single elimination it dont matter
[10:07PM] [|H|Zero] Especially to someone who has never participated in a tourney irl before
[10:08PM] [|W|hats`an`XCT] Just because something is common sense doesn't mean it shouldn't be stated for good measure; See "Do no take while pregnant" labels on birth control.
[10:08PM] [DMG] its always been a standing rule that deck changes weren allowed but normally i have no way to prove that happens
[10:09PM] [|W|ho-r-u] DMG remembered my deck from our last duel.
[10:09PM] [|H|Zero] There is no way to prevent that from happening
[10:09PM] [|H|Zero] They might even swap out a few cards between matches and you'd never know
[10:09PM] [DMG] thre is in this situation
[10:10PM] [|W|hats`an`XCT] If it's been a long standing rule, why isn't it posted somewhere? Topic? Thread? In the tourney bot script?
[10:10PM] [DMG] there is a post u guys cant see the fourm
[10:10PM] [GuybrushThreepwood] I think it's up to the TD in question. Such a rule was never in force when I was a TD before
[10:10PM] [|W|hats`an`XCT] Kind of pointless to have the rules in a place we can't read?
[10:10PM] [DMG] since the rayths made a td rule book
[10:11PM] [|H|Zero] And what good does that do us
[10:11PM] [|H|Zero] Who can't see this rule book
[10:11PM] [GuybrushThreepwood] so if my opponent goes grr your grapha killed me
[10:11PM] [GuybrushThreepwood] i can't switch out decks since now EVERYONE knows im running dark world?
[10:11PM] [GuybrushThreepwood] its why enforcing same decks in xct is stupid
[10:11PM] [|H|Zero] ^ I thought that was the main point
[10:12PM] [|H|Zero] Because I know what you're running, I definitely know what to do to counter it from the start
[10:12PM] [|W|ho-r-u] I usually state the deck I'm gonna use in said tourny.
[10:12PM] [DMG] exactly why i am not allowing this
[10:12PM] [|H|Zero] Why
[10:12PM] [|H|Zero] How is that relevant at all
[10:12PM] [|W|hats`an`XCT] Honestly, if it were in the same volumne as an actual tournament, that information would be almost useless, since you couldn't pre-Side or change decks.
[10:12PM] [|W|hats`an`XCT] volume**
[10:13PM] [DMG] and u cant change ur decks so ya i dont see ur piont
[10:14PM] [|H|Zero] The fact that this is not an actual tournament?
[10:14PM] 1212• Hermione sits on DMG's lap
[10:14PM] [Hermione] i'm bored
[10:14PM] [|H|Zero] You can't preside in actual tournaments because they would know
[10:14PM] [|H|Zero] How would anyone know if I did that during an xct
[10:14PM] 1212• GuybrushThreepwood sits on Hermione's lap.
[10:14PM] 1212• |W|Sandra takes pics of DMG
[10:14PM] 1212• |W|Sandra punches Karl
[10:14PM] [DMG] the fact is regular tourney rules apply and will be enforced when possible
[10:14PM] [|H|Zero] Feels like you're just making up rules to make it more convenient right now
[10:14PM] [|W|hats`an`XCT] Pretty sure if you asked everyone that has ever participated in an XCT, 80% of them would tell you they had no idea they couldn't change decks between rounds.
[10:15PM] [DMG] cause in certain formats its not allowed
[10:15PM] [GuybrushThreepwood] If it were up to me, I'd say deck changes are allowed, but, since DMG is the one who let me host, guess i'll side with her then :/
[10:15PM] [DMG] well theres no way to prove it
[10:15PM] [DMG] one sec brb
[10:15PM] [|W|hats`an`XCT] If there is no way to prove it, why is it a rule?
[10:15PM] [|H|Zero] EXACTLY
[10:16PM] [GuybrushThreepwood] there's no way to say that zero didn't add 1 or 2 cards in
[10:16PM] [GuybrushThreepwood] to counter yours
[10:16PM] [|H|Zero] Right
[10:16PM] [|H|Zero] And I changed decks entirely simply because the one I was running was a piece of crap
[10:16PM] [|W|hats`an`XCT] What the deuce. I'm all for rules and junk, but rules are to be STATED, first of all, and second of all, should be ENFORCEABLE.
[10:17PM] [|W|hats`an`XCT] Anyways.
[10:17PM] [|W|hats`an`XCT] I'll be going to bed.
[10:17PM]   «« quit |W|ho-r-u [~Horu@BB0BADC9.3A48F1CB.91CFE707.IP] ( Ping timeout )
[10:17PM] [|W|hats`an`XCT] Good luck DMG and Zero.
[10:17PM] [DMG] pluse it dosnt even matter in double elmination ur otk dragon deck be ban normally karl dont have acess to the rules for each format
[10:17PM] [DMG] Rules: Adv. Format, Double Elimination (People must lose twice). Last 4 remaining goto Semi-Finals
[10:17PM] [DMG] Matches: 1/1
[10:17PM] [DMG] Bans: OTK, FTK, Stall
[10:17PM] [DMG] Time Limit: 25 Minutes
[10:17PM] [DMG] Minimum Players: 8
[10:17PM] [DMG] Maximum per Month: 2
[10:17PM] [DMG] actually
[10:17PM] [DMG] lol
[10:17PM] [GuybrushThreepwood] that's 1/1 games
[10:17PM] [DMG] opps
[10:17PM] [|H|Zero] Right
[10:17PM] [|H|Zero] And who says I'm running an OTK dragon deck
[10:18PM] [|H|Zero] According to the listed rules, the only thing that's banned is OCG
[10:18PM] [|H|Zero] And Staller automatically loses if time runs out
[10:18PM] [GuybrushThreepwood] and i'm the one that brought in double elim. i never did it to semifinals
[10:18PM] [|H|Zero] So OTK and burn aren't even banned
[10:18PM] [DMG] ok let me put it this way i am not changing my mind on this and last time i check i still run this place
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[10:18PM] [|W|hats`an`XCT] Disaster Dragon isn't OTK.
[10:19PM] [DMG] thanks for comming all u guys later
[10:19PM]   »» ban DMG bans *!*@XC-4D8BB0DB.client.mchsi.com
Session Close: Mon Mar 19 22:19:33 2012