jzillaheute um 10:13 Uhr
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Hey dude
I'd like to chat about a locust fleet concept I had
Its Jaque from MAC10 btw ^^
Mister Davahamheute um 11:54 Uhr
hey sure go ahead we can talk on comms as well later!
jzillaheute um 12:03 Uhr
Hey dude
I've been toying with the idea of IOU having dedicated mining groups out in 1 place at a time in the pocket. But am looking into if people are interested in discussing it as an idea. I know over the last few months a lot of the corps (including my own) went into hermit mode a bit with keeping everything hush hush and more hidden
but the local changes and the fact we will have people getting tackled often it makes sense to me to have more people in 1 place and with the tools to help ensure good save attempts
I understand for stuff like moons this may not be possible where corps want to run their own mining ops. which makes complete sense. But at the moment we've just been told to dock big stuff, and like yourself i dont think that is the answer.
Mister Davahamheute um 12:08 Uhr
I tried to organise it before and people seemed not too interested so I purely mine moons now. I check for the valuable stuff where i can make billions in  a short term and go for them quietly if shit happens I get a safe fleet organised if needed with TEST + Voltron and ignore the rest
works for me but is not open to everyone as all the moons that I mine are not pinged thats my request because we had a lot of problems with campers camping pinged moons
and I have so many moons to mine that I am not interested in doing other mining as well I have a moon every few days at least planned for the rest of the month so far
jzillaheute um 12:10 Uhr
well this is the issue, we had a lot of blue eyes and a lot of people got scared about even saying they were out, resulting in no one communicating or working together :smile:
I get the moons. This is how Machinum operates too.
Mister Davahamheute um 12:11 Uhr
yeah I tried communicating and got shut down quite a lot now i organised my own stuff with very few people and people providing cover that I know if needed
jzillaheute um 12:11 Uhr
but that unfortunately only benefits yourself
and you are the only one out mining atm
Mister Davahamheute um 12:11 Uhr
true but honestly thats not my problem anymore I offered help for month and people didnt open up so I went my own way about it
even if we get all of evictus in one belt there would only be more problems
jzillaheute um 12:12 Uhr
yeah tbh im about done with this alliance :smile:
Mister Davahamheute um 12:12 Uhr
spies will leak the location and if we are honest we cant defend 10 rorqs
jzillaheute um 12:12 Uhr
time to move i think
cant organise shit
fucking bomb sig im in is more organised industrially
Mister Davahamheute um 12:13 Uhr
we would always have to call for help and while I can do it because I know enough people I doubt voltron will form for every random guy over and over again
jzillaheute um 12:13 Uhr
thats why i am pushing for everyone to mine as one
you think a small gang is going to hold grid against 8+ rorquals?
Mister Davahamheute um 12:14 Uhr
if FRT knows that the approach we are going for they will just drop dreadbombs + 200 bombers
jzillaheute um 12:14 Uhr
in their worst tz?
no they wont.
Mister Davahamheute um 12:14 Uhr
then they will ask bombersbar oder mercenaries
jzillaheute um 12:14 Uhr
and considering we see their pings and have eyes inside their fleets i cannot see that happening
Mister Davahamheute um 12:14 Uhr
do we?
jzillaheute um 12:15 Uhr
yes
Mister Davahamheute um 12:15 Uhr
I got eyes in there yes but what is if I am not there?
jzillaheute um 12:15 Uhr
I have my own eyes, on top of others
Mister Davahamheute um 12:15 Uhr
I asked a lot of times that people would relay FRT intel but it never happend
jzillaheute um 12:15 Uhr
because your not talking to the right people
Mister Davahamheute um 12:15 Uhr
see that is the problem no one is sharing their intel
jzillaheute um 12:15 Uhr
its up to us to organise this shit
and you can blame rayor for a lot of that
Mister Davahamheute um 12:15 Uhr
well I shouldnt be needing to talk to the right people in my own alliance :smile:
jzillaheute um 12:16 Uhr
i love him to bits but the guy only thinks of himself
your corp is half the issue davaham
rayor doesn't put anything in himself
Mister Davahamheute um 12:16 Uhr
my "corp" is rayor gideon and me
rayor is doing his stuff I can count on him dropping more Fax than the rest of my alliance if needed
jzillaheute um 12:16 Uhr
yes and he is the reason everyone is mining alone :smile: they saw him getting away with it and thought yeah thats what we need to do
Mister Davahamheute um 12:17 Uhr
gideon is a very good subcap FC
jzillaheute um 12:17 Uhr
because we are not organised mate
Mister Davahamheute um 12:17 Uhr
and the rest of my corp is inactive :smile:
jzillaheute um 12:17 Uhr
you cannot trust Hamfish to go near this
same as Ulysses, I dont even know what his job actually is
Mister Davahamheute um 12:17 Uhr
well to be honest in evictus the only way to get good isk is to do it on your own and not tell anyone
I mined the jackpot R32 for about 5 hours no problem
jzillaheute um 12:17 Uhr
its up to us to come together and put these things in place. I've been pushing my guys into FAX and caps for this reason
Im not in it for isk
Mister Davahamheute um 12:18 Uhr
then some blues asked if they could tag along wit subcaps
30 min later a sabre burned for me and bubbled...
jzillaheute um 12:18 Uhr
my corp currently supplies 15% of the market in 03z/ L-5 through stuff produced in our structures from mining our moons
we stop that then we pack up and join test or init
its that simple tbh
this is my last ditch to be part of this alliance
jzillaheute um 12:19 Uhr
I have zero interest in being a nobody in a cancer blob
but im tired of hittign a brick wall in everything i try to do
and being dictated to by people who dont play the game

Mister Davahamheute um 12:20 Uhr
thats the reason I stayed with Dav as well but in Evictus its hard to get people to do something together
so unless you want to be let down by others better organise stuff on your own
so lets say we are motivated about this rorq stuff ok?
jzillaheute um 12:20 Uhr
dude i didnt join an alliance to do that
Mister Davahamheute um 12:20 Uhr
who would you invite, everyone from the alliance?
jzillaheute um 12:20 Uhr
my corp runs very well
Mister Davahamheute um 12:20 Uhr
that can fly a rorq?
jzillaheute um 12:20 Uhr
the alliance is shit lol
Mister Davahamheute um 12:21 Uhr
well so who would you talk to and organise?
jzillaheute um 12:21 Uhr
It would need to go back to how it was
Mister Davahamheute um 12:21 Uhr
you cant make it something official and not invite everyone
jzillaheute um 12:21 Uhr
people vetted through fits (BY ACTIVE PEOPLE SO THEY ACTUALLY GET APPROVED AND ADVICE)
Mister Davahamheute um 12:21 Uhr
whats with people that dont speak english?
jzillaheute um 12:21 Uhr
All in a comms channel, no fleets out.
Well i dont know why you would join an english speaking alliance
if you dont speak english..
no offence
Mister Davahamheute um 12:22 Uhr
well some of our corps are mainly german
there are rorqs in there that cant talk a word english
buff in my corp cant even talk anything that I can talk well :smile:
and he is flying around in rorqs und supers lol
jzillaheute um 12:22 Uhr
so he expects to communicate with FC's how?
Mister Davahamheute um 12:23 Uhr
he doesnt he just does his shit :smile:
no idea what the guys does but he has fuckton of isk :smile:
jzillaheute um 12:23 Uhr
right
not really my problem
if you cant speak the one language the alliance speaks then your not part of this issue tbh
Mister Davahamheute um 12:23 Uhr
me neither but thats the kind of problems that we would get if we organise a rorq club
there will be people pushing for power like we had last time
when the ingame chat was moderated by different people then the rorq channel
jzillaheute um 12:24 Uhr
unless you have relaying comms if people were to be tackled.
Mister Davahamheute um 12:24 Uhr
to this day we dont have unified rorq fits and serious guides
I offered to do so endless times
jzillaheute um 12:24 Uhr
do you want to know why
Mister Davahamheute um 12:24 Uhr
heck i run official rorq trainings for renters and test and my own alliance if needed
still we cant get unified fits :smile:
jzillaheute um 12:25 Uhr
because despite myself pushing to take charge of this, after spending weeks putting plans together for save ranges, systems we could jam/ shut off etc, it gets given to Ulysses who then goes AFK on it completely
it made me really fucking mad
take this with me
I have absolutely no issue in telling the HC this isn't their problem anymore and we are doing our own thing because they have let us down
Mister Davahamheute um 12:26 Uhr
but then we are doing our own thing right?
so we just make a bigger club of rorqs but dont include everyone?
jzillaheute um 12:27 Uhr
who are we not including?
other than some guy who can't fit it properly?
Mister Davahamheute um 12:27 Uhr
thats the question we cant include all the rorqs can we?
or do you want to mine in one belt with 15 rorqs?
jzillaheute um 12:27 Uhr
yes tbh i do
Mister Davahamheute um 12:27 Uhr
then you need to move every 20 min and everyone will rush for spod and then leave
jzillaheute um 12:27 Uhr
Its the best way
and safest
its the whole concept of locust fleets
Mister Davahamheute um 12:28 Uhr
I can only talk for me but I am not interested at all in sitting in a belt with 15 rorqs at all
massive target on our back and shit isk for everyone because we would spent most time mining shit ore
when I mine alone I cherrypick what I need and thats it mostly on moons then its up to me what I mine and when and how long and I dont need to justify myself to anyone
and when I get tackled I can make my own decisions who to ask and what to bring to the field
jzillaheute um 12:29 Uhr
i see what your saying but its also making me think why the fuck did i bother to save this guy last night
Mister Davahamheute um 12:30 Uhr
cause it was a fun fight with a good FC and organised fleet not some kiddy screaming in panic
and if shit went down we would have full blown FAX backup :smiley:
jzillaheute um 12:30 Uhr
yeah but your only in it for yourself
Mister Davahamheute um 12:31 Uhr
I was in it for others for month and I got fucked so often I was close to quitting the game
so I decided to protect my own fun I need to go at it my way
jzillaheute um 12:31 Uhr
Dude I handed my notice into Evictus yesterday for the same reason
This is literally my last attempt at trying to do something
Mister Davahamheute um 12:31 Uhr
go for it it failed for me I hope you do better!
jzillaheute um 12:31 Uhr
I've already told Ulysses he doesn't own rorquals anymore
well i wont
will i
Mister Davahamheute um 12:32 Uhr
honestly I hear what you are saying
but to be honest all these stuff you are saying like all of it I tried before
jzillaheute um 12:32 Uhr
i dont care if you tried before
Mister Davahamheute um 12:32 Uhr
and when I see your plans I am super pessimistic and only see all the problems I ran into
jzillaheute um 12:32 Uhr
you respected rank which was wrong
we cant do that anymore
we do our own thing
Mister Davahamheute um 12:32 Uhr
but how are we better than what I am doing atm then?
I am doing my own thing as well and you are critiziting me for it? :smile:
jzillaheute um 12:33 Uhr
Because Davaham your corp took the majority of moons on the back of spoz
now you are 3 members
and you still hold all the moons
and your telling me you dont want to help with alliance mining because you can get fat on all the moons you own when you cant justify owning them anymore
so thats kinda my issue
Mister Davahamheute um 12:34 Uhr
I dont mine SCGM moons at all
there is like 1 or 2 R32 that I go for
I cant be bothered with the rest :smile:
jzillaheute um 12:34 Uhr
Your one of the most organised rorq miners in EU tz hence i was pushing for yourself to try take some control of yourself with me.
If you wanna play ninja miner getting fat go for it
but im not interested in making my corp form for stuff like that
Mister Davahamheute um 12:35 Uhr
so we are back to the start problem of evictus arent we?
jzillaheute um 12:35 Uhr
which you have literally sunk yourself into
hence my frustration
Mister Davahamheute um 12:35 Uhr
so you are saying to me let me into the cool guys club I want access to all the good moons and your protection otherwise my corp wont save you anymore? :smile:
jzillaheute um 12:36 Uhr
urm what?
you've missed my point entirely
Mister Davahamheute um 12:36 Uhr
the approach I took is completely different I tried with evictus and it failed
jzillaheute um 12:36 Uhr
I am saying why don't you try this 1 more time with me.
Mister Davahamheute um 12:36 Uhr
so I went with other people alot of the time I am mining not in our pocket at all
jzillaheute um 12:36 Uhr
if your not interested then cool
Mister Davahamheute um 12:37 Uhr
we build a good group and we have serious Fax backup
jzillaheute um 12:37 Uhr
but thats 1 less EU corp thats around because we'll just go to init
Mister Davahamheute um 12:37 Uhr
now  what you want me to do?
cancel all my moon plans for the rest of the month so we can give your idea a try? :smile:
you are pulling the gun on my saying its your corps fault, my corp will go, the market will suffer we wont save you anymore
but I dont understand what you hope from me?
jzillaheute um 12:38 Uhr
your moon plans are your moon plans dude
im not forcing you to mine spodumain
im asking for help with putting together an actual process to people feel like they can actually undock
what preperation has our alliance done for the blackout?
Mister Davahamheute um 12:38 Uhr
be my guest what do you need?
jzillaheute um 12:39 Uhr
what motivation have people been given
Mister Davahamheute um 12:39 Uhr
I coached 3 different alliances to the blackout so far
jzillaheute um 12:39 Uhr
none at all, they need leadership
Mister Davahamheute um 12:39 Uhr
I ran 4 SISI trainings so far
jzillaheute um 12:39 Uhr
Then lets do it for us
i dont give a fuck what francis thinks or says
jzillaheute um 12:39 Uhr
i will oust him if he even tries to fuck with this
Mister Davahamheute um 12:42 Uhr
we could also get on comms btw :smile:
jzillaheute um 12:42 Uhr
If we don't fix this IOU is gunna collapse in EU tz more than it already has
im in work i apologise:(
Mister Davahamheute um 12:43 Uhr
no problem just wanted to make sure you are not sititng somewhere in mumble wainting lol
jzillaheute um 12:43 Uhr
ah no :smile:
Mister Davahamheute um 12:43 Uhr
yeah IOU EU TZ is shit
jzillaheute um 12:43 Uhr
spending work thinking of other things lol!
it doesn't need to be though. Our pvp core is demotivated and flying with other alliances for content
starcade, AG15 and machinum will hold majority of rorquals in EU
Mister Davahamheute um 12:44 Uhr
starcade rorqs are mine
gideon, yama and all the other FCs we got dont have any
and rayor wont be part of it he has his own moons that he is mining and he is busy enough with them
jzillaheute um 12:45 Uhr
rayor too much of a puss to undock atm
jzillaheute um 12:46 Uhr
anything you just do for isk is always gunna be for you though. its about being selfless and trying to further the alliance
we spend our real lives grinding for money i dont get why you would play a game and do the same
Mister Davahamheute um 12:47 Uhr
I still dont rly get what your plan is to be honest
jzillaheute um 12:47 Uhr
I know a lot more than you think :smile:
Mister Davahamheute um 12:48 Uhr
so you know where I mined or where rayor mined? :smile:
jzillaheute um 12:48 Uhr
i know where rayor mines yes
Mister Davahamheute um 12:48 Uhr
seems like you dont when you said he hasnt undocked? :smile:
jzillaheute um 12:48 Uhr
i speak to people and they need leadership
we have none
we could provide that
but we rather get fat wallets
its why im kinda done here
jzillaheute um 12:51 Uhr
but hey at the end of the day its not your problem. Its an IOU problem. I will fix it myself. You'll see us in another alliance unfortunately otherwise.
Mister Davahamheute um 12:51 Uhr
you dont need to fix it yourself its just what I am trying to tell you all the time
I dont understand what you need from me
I am doing my own thing atm and in that thing you guys cant join
this thing will last at least till the end of the month
jzillaheute um 12:52 Uhr
nothing dude i was looking for motivation from someone who knows how it is but this convo just made it worse :sweat_smile:

then a lot later:
jzillaheute um 16:50 Uhr
don't worry man we will be leaving IOU
speaking to HC made me realise what a pathetic attempt at leadership we really have
and nothing will change :smiley: