Session Start: Sat Aug 08 15:50:39 2015
Session Ident: #Renaissance
[15:50] * Now talking in #Renaissance
[15:50] * Topic is 'UORenaissance - History Perfected - General Chat - login.uorenaissance.com - 162.252.55.26 '
[15:50] * Set by Avery on Thu Jul 02 14:32:31 2015
[15:50] -Renaissance- L|Work : Welcome to UO Renaissance. If you are having trouble connecting to the server we are most likely experiencing a Denial of Service Attack (DDOS). The server will return to service shortly once the attack is mitigated. We apologize for the inconvenience.
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[15:50] <Avery> what might those be
[15:50] <Avery> I invite you to produce evidence
[15:51] <Song_Bird> !popcorn
[15:51] * @UOR Passes out the popcorn...  www.uorenaissance.com/images2/Funny/Pop/Popcorn_10.gif
[15:51] <Vella> cause the paper trails in 20 year old games are huge :p
[15:51] <UOR_007> So Avery, are you sitting around in the room with your counselor
[15:51] <L|Work> what does avery need evidence of?
[15:51] <UOR_007> waiting for a help call?
[15:51] <L|Work> i can probably produce it
[15:52] <Avery> not right now, no
[15:52] <UOR_007> I never understood that too
[15:52] <Vella> yes they check zee list and see if noobs are online, but lord knows what they do for the 18 hours telymon has a life
[15:52] <Song_Bird> I saw avery tmapping the other day on "avery"
[15:52] <Song_Bird> no gm powers needed
[15:52] <UOR_007> that active players are staff/counselors
[15:52] <Vella> better yet blackeye go fuck with them see how fast shit changes or get nerfed
[15:53] <Vella> guard whacked mikek spawn
[15:53] <Vella> he wanted to ban me if he could
[15:53] <UOR_007> ye, it makes me really think
[15:53] <Vella> too bad that powers outa reach
[15:53] <Song_Bird> hahah thats histerical vella - not the wanted to get banned but the.. gwackin
[15:53] <UOR_007> would something have been different
[15:53] <UOR_007> if avery was a counselor back when the fort was looted
[15:53] <UOR_007> I dunno
[15:53] <Vella> whats awesome songbird is, gideon jura attempted to get the champ out of town, providing the guard whack
[15:54] <Vella> u caught her without her acct on :) gj
[15:54] <Avery> I was Blackeye
[15:54] <UOR_007> Oh
[15:54] <elhorno> im pretty sure avery was a counselor
[15:54] <UOR_007> That long
[15:54] <L|Work> avery is blackeye?
[15:54] <UOR_007> already
[15:54] <Song_Bird> 007 is blackeye
[15:54] <Avery> lololol
[15:54] <UOR_007> But I cant understand
[15:54] <UOR_007> MikeK
[15:54] <Avery> :)
[15:54] <UOR_007> I mean he is nice
[15:54] <UOR_007> but still
[15:54] <Iago> finkle is einhorn
[15:54] <UOR_007> after all that hate
[15:54] <L|Work> lol iago
[15:54] <UOR_007> and flaming?
[15:54] <Avery> let me rephrase that
[15:54] <Iago> Einhorn is Finkle!
[15:54] <Song_Bird> the best is Song_Bird
[15:54] <Avery> I was a counselor back then, Blackeye
[15:54] <Song_Bird> good movie
[15:55] <L|Work> vella is right to be mad about all the secret counselor nonsense
[15:55] <CaptainMorgan> soiker alert...geez
[15:55] <elhorno> but why didnt you use your powers to crush blackeye avery?
[15:55] <CaptainMorgan> spoiler
[15:55] <UOR_007> And I heard staff was discussing to intervene actually...
[15:55] <elhorno> your gm powers
[15:55] <UOR_007> thats what I heard, but it didnt happen
[15:55] <Avery> what powers
[15:55] <Vella> lol cause if you arent logged in that acct not much of a gm
[15:55] <UOR_007> so its just rumors
[15:55] <L|Work> and there are really good reasons that players shouldn't be made GMs or counselors
[15:55] <elhorno> well you could have pmd all the young players
[15:55] <elhorno> told them to gather in front of blackeyes house
[15:55] <UOR_007> its a principle elhorno
[15:55] <L|Work> for instance, O^S having a town blessing simply because they are all counselors and GMs
[15:55] <Avery> I crushed Blackeye by using my super cursing powers on forums
[15:55] <Song_Bird> elhorno - sometimes they Poof infront of them too!
[15:56] <~Telamon> Yes there are Liberation, when they fail to follow the rules, and allow griefing of players, and abuse of the rules to go unreported
[15:56] <~Telamon> http://uorforum.com/threads/renaissance-staff-services.1519/
[15:56] <~Telamon> Everyone is welcome to read the rules on the various roles players can volunteer here
[15:56] <L|Work> but there are also reasons that it is hard to be critical of tel having help
[15:56] <~Telamon> Yes, when players want to attack other players for volunteering their time
[15:56] <Vella> i'll volunteer 5 min a day for gm powers
[15:56] <Vella> sign me up
[15:57] <~Telamon> Counselors, while players, are held to much much higher standards than other players
[15:57] <Avery> if no one volunteered around here, so much of the cool stuff on this shard would be back-logged forever
[15:57] <~Telamon> However they have zero powers, other than pages, and new player greets
[15:57] <Avery> there just aren't enough hours in the day
[15:57] <~Telamon> THey cannot go in houses, use house doors, etc
[15:57] <Vella> aw just took 3 years for him to admit it
[15:57] <Vella> :)
[15:57] <L|Work> the problem is when those volunteers recieve special treatment
[15:57] <L|Work> it's hard to seperate the two issues for many people
[15:57] <~Telamon> Making false accusations to damage the reputation of the server, or the time that our volunteers donate will be addressed
[15:57] <AnRobot> how long does a house take to drop from the moment it turns idoc?
[15:58] <Vella> hunny the reddit will always live
[15:58] <Avery> 18 hours I think?
[15:58] <Vella> <3
[15:58] <L|Work> anrobot" 17 hours
[15:58] <Avery> ish
[15:58] <L|Work> it varies slightly
[15:58] <Avery> ^^
[15:58] <[UO]Dyne> 17 hours, 20 minutes
[15:58] <AnRobot> ahhh thanks
[15:58] <L|Work> there are no false accusations being made, telamon.
[15:58] <~Telamon> Vella seems to be making some very clear ones
[15:58] <L|Work> stop being alarmist
[15:58] <Song_Bird> 17 hours 23 mins and 14 secounds
[15:58] <UOR_007> Should you demonstrate a professional attitude and analytic mind when given various tasks by the staff you may be asked to become part of the counselor program.
[15:58] <UOR_007> O K.
[15:58] <L|Work> !seen uor_007
[15:58] <@Renaissance> L|Work, uor_007 is right here!
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[15:59] <Vella> Lol exactly blackeye
[15:59] <Avery> you weren't here when he was doing it Lib
[15:59] <L|Work> when who was doing what?
[15:59] * UOR_007 is now known as WillNeverBeACounselor
[15:59] <L|Work> oh i read it all though
[15:59] <L|Work> !seen *!*@*-6E6BA34C.pools.vodafone-ip.de
[15:59] <@Renaissance> I found 2 matches to your query (sorted): WillNeverBeACounselor UOR_007. WillNeverBeACounselor (~UOR@Chat4all-6E6BA34C.pools.vodafone-ip.de) was last seen changing nicks from UOR_007 on #renaissance only 4 seconds ago. WillNeverBeACounselor is still there.
[15:59] <L|Work> i don't have to be here to see what you're saying
[15:59] <Song_Bird> L|Work has magic GM IRC Powers!
[15:59] <Song_Bird> ban him!
[16:00] <WillNeverBeACounselor> Hacks
[16:00] <Song_Bird> idk if the server would be wellserved to have the king of theives as a counselor, blackeye
[16:00] <Song_Bird> apparantly people already distrust the quite tmappers and the guy who runs the WELCOME NEWB's guild
[16:00] <WillNeverBeACounselor> why not?!
[16:01] <WillNeverBeACounselor> I have no beef with anybody
[16:01] <~Telamon> For a server with no donation shop, and completely unpaid staff, the lack of respect shown by some for people who do take the time to help and educate new players saddening
[16:01] <WillNeverBeACounselor> I educate alot players
[16:01] <Vella> Are Counselors Allowed to Play?    Yes. Counselors are provided with extremely limited ingame accounts and are only allowed to answer pages, and assist new players. They are not allowed to travel hidden, do not have a backpack, and have no access to commands. seeing as i know well and well that they CAN move about invis
[16:01] <Vella> we need some spellcheck up in this shit
[16:01] <Song_Bird> on pack and home security, black?>
[16:01] <~Telamon> THere are many many for profit servers with paid staff if you wish to go harrass them and see how understanding they are,  then by all means
[16:02] <L|Work> tel do you really think it benefits you to be so horrified of having an open conversation about this?
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[16:03] <L|Work> rather than threatening to ban people talking about it, why don't you just engage them in conversation and rake in the benefits of appearing human.
[16:03] <L|Work> ?*
[16:03] <Lalande> Any guilds wany a few newbs? :)
[16:03] <Avery> PS is always recruiting
[16:03] <Song_Bird> Lalande - PS
[16:03] <Iago> Lalande, check out P^S
[16:03] <Avery> check them out on forums
[16:03] <Song_Bird> !PS
[16:03] <@Renaissance> Are you a new player? Checkout Project Sanctuary at channel #ps! We can help you with advice, hunting, and a very friendly community! No matter your type gameplay, we'd love to get to know you. - Our chat is channel #PS
[16:03] <Vella> LOLO
[16:03] <Vella> the leader of PS
[16:03] <Peace-Out> *Blatant BrownNosing incoming*  dont worry telamon, the silent majority appreciates all that is done here and do not expect perfection
[16:03] <~Telamon> Always trying to start a conflict, or make one worse ehh.   I made my point,  nothing more to say
[16:03] <Vella> loves to grief
[16:03] <Peace-Out> 100% of the time
[16:04] <Lalande> Wow that was quick!
[16:04] <Vella> Mikek will literally grief you into the dirt if you anger him
[16:04] <Vella> so be nice to your gm
[16:04] <Vella> and you'll be ok
[16:04] <Iago> trololol
[16:04] * Telamon sets mode: +b *!*@7EE2957.AA351BF0.3077582D.IP
[16:04] * Vella was kicked by Renaissance (Banned)
[16:04] <Iago> to everyone else: Vella is completely and utterly full of shit
[16:04] <Song_Bird> boom!
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[16:04] <Avery> geez MikeK is like the nicest guy
[16:04] <~Telamon> My stance on this server is very clear
[16:04] <WillNeverBeACounselor> [23:03:18] <L|Work> rather than threatening to ban people talking about it, why don't you just engage them in conversation and rake in the benefits of appearing human.
[16:04] <~Telamon> If you do not appreciate it, you will be shown the door