Ronald Bernard interviewed by Sacha Stone

A CONVERSATION WITH EX ILLUMINATI INSIDER RONALD BERNARD AND SACHA STONE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0i6A_fLsN4

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Sacha Stone: Ronald Bernard, it's delightful to be with you here in Amsterdam.

Ronald Bernard: You're welcome. I'm very happy you were taking this trip, this heavy trip.

Sacha Stone: A heavy trip indeed, we had some extraordinary forces appear to be tryint to prevent this meeting...

Ronald Bernard: Yeah.

Sacha Stone: ...but look what a beautiful day it is and how wonderful to look you in the eyes.

Ronald Bernard: Yes. Yes, it's very nice to meet you, too.

Sacha Stone: You know, Illuminati, this is the great trigger-word - everyone is fascinated by this idea.

Ronald Bernard: Yeah.

Sacha Stone: And people like you have experienced first hand the reality of this high echelon, this Babylonian priesthood that operates from behind the curtain...

Ronald Bernard: Yeah.

Sacha Stone: ...and controls the destiny and the faith of humanity. It's the reality for you, it's not a joke.

Ronald Bernard: No, it is not.

Sacha Stone: Let's talk about Illuminati for a second. Do you believe that the 8500 Illuminati members have some connection to the sealed indictments in Washington?

Ronald Bernard: I don't have a crystal ball but for sure, for sure the 8000, eight and a half thousand, people who are really running the show are connected with the people who are in that envelope but I don't think the 8000, eight and a half thousand, will be in the envelope. I think in the best way, because they are always willing to sacrifice.

Sacha Stone: Let's talk about the relationship of the BIS - the Bank of International Settlements...

Ronald Bernard: Wow.

Sacha Stone: ...to the Vatican, London and Washington principalities.

Ronald Bernard: Yeah.

Sacha Stone: Historically people think that it's all about Vatican City, London City and Washington City but you've been speaking about the BIS - the Bank of International Settlements...

Ronald Bernard: Yeah.

Sacha Stone: ...and that's what we should be looking at.

Ronald Bernard: Yeah. Well, the...huh. I know a lot of people in this world, especially inalternative news - people who are aware. They are looking at Washington D.C., this free state part - we are talking about Vatican, City of London and Washington D.C. - about free states. The Washington part is the military, the finance: City of London and the spiritual: Vatican.

Sacha Stone: Vatican.

Ronald Bernard: But most of the people they think they are the main powers, the main tools, but it's not. The BIS is above them - it's also a free state but the finance is the regulator, the investor who are putting also the programs into, well, let's say the game. The whole world is a game.

Sacha Stone: All the inflationary mechanisms and the interest rate mechanisms - it's all rigged through this.

Ronald Bernard: It's the channel, the BIS is the channel who arrange in the multi levels they have, you only see the offical part of course, like they have the board for example, eh? The board, the official board is, I mean, the BIS is the clubhouse of all the banksters. So in the board are the presidents of another central bank. No, but that's all the outside. We are straight talking actually more in the direction now of shadow banking - the real world, because the official world is not the real world. The world where I was living in was a world - everything is possible - you can switch identity by day, you can fake any paper you want in this world. We create our own rules, but the rules are always coming from, let's say, upstairs, eh? And that's the mechanism, the BIS. The BIS is the most important one.

Sacha Stone: And who owns the BIS? Can we identify the stakeholders?

Ronald Bernard: Officially, the owners of the BIS are known, of course, like they are all, the stakeholders are all the other central banks - it's a sort of collective of owners.

Sacha Stone: The collateral of a country and the wealth of a country is in fact collateralized by the human beings, correct?

Ronald Bernard: Yes, it's based on your birth rights.

Sacha Stone: Right. So the human being is born and is issued a birth bond or a treasury certificate, a number against that birth, with a value to that?

Ronald Bernard: Yeah. Yeah, in my lectures I explain the people as well - I know about this birth certici... wow, there go with my English. This birth document, it's more easy for me. In Holland, on the moment someone is born...

Sacha Stone: Yeah.

Ronald Bernard: ...the father or mother is very happy to sign...

Sacha Stone: Surrender.

Ronald Bernard: ...the contract. Eh? Because our country is a company.

Sacha Stone: Private corporation?

Ronald Bernard: Yeah. Then you get a number - a "BSN-number", in Dutch it's called "Burgerservicenummer" - it's a slavery number. So, for you as a Dutchman it's a service number - for them, for the powers, it's a slavery number and if it's about the mentality, it's about you're dumb, you're nothing. You're a cow. On the moment the birth certificate is created, your value is 500.000 Euros.

Sacha Stone: In Holland?

Ronald Bernard: In Holland. So, they calculate it - in your whole productive life you bring to the state, you bring to the financial system, more or less, in taxes, in indirect taxes and other ways you pay back the 500.000 Euros, roughly. So, you are the value on the moment you're born. I've heard that this certificates, this birth certificates are traded on the...

Sacha Stone: Stock market.

Ronald Bernard: ...stock market in America.

Sacha Stone: Yes.

Ronald Bernard: In Holland they don't do that.

Sacha Stone: Ok.

Ronald Bernard: But in other countries they do. So there you don't know where your certificate is going. I mean, the whole financial system is arranged by law. So, the top criminals of this world are backed with official laws. If you are a parent and your child is born - within of a few days you have to go to...

Sacha Stone: And register.

Ronald Bernard: ...to make the registrations, otherwise you have a problem because you are breaking the laws.

Sacha Stone: Well, breaking the statutes, yes, not the laws, yeah.

Ronald Bernard: Yes. Yeah well, for the most citizens it's that they are breaking the law because that's the story they are telling you.

Sacha Stone: Yes, that's the story, exactly.

Ronald Bernard: That's the story they are telling you. So, the only way to go out of this system is: unite, in a sort of cooperative...

Sacha Stone: And withdraw?

Ronald Bernard: Yeah!

Sacha Stone: That's it?

Ronald Bernard: Yeah.

Sacha Stone: Remove your attention from this game...

Ronald Bernard: Yeah.

Sacha Stone: ...and the story, 'cause it's just a game...

Ronald Bernard: It is.

Sacha Stone: ...it is just a story.

Ronald Bernard: Yeah.

Sacha Stone: Right. Very good.

Ronald Bernard: No.

Sacha Stone: I also wanted to ask you if you were ever blackmailed into Illuminati circles or were you seduced into it - through wealth and power and so on?

Ronald Bernard: Yeah, seduced, yes. In many ways. I mean, it's quite simple - during the time you are working with them they make scans of you, so they are searching always for your weakest points.

Sacha Stone: Is that background checks and so on?

Ronald Bernard: Everything.

Sacha Stone: Everything.

Ronald Bernard: Everything, everything they can get.

Sacha Stone: Ok.

Ronald Bernard: But they never were blackmailing me - I knew they have dossiers. I mean, I was also working a lot with secret services - I mean, that's actually officially - if you are working in the darkest world of this financial...um... this is the reason why I came out last year with my testimony about my life in five parts by DVM-TV - to prevent that the dossiers who are still existing somewhere are coming out later on...

Sacha Stone: Right.

Ronald Bernard: ...in my path. Because I am walking on a path...

Sacha Stone: Yes.

Ronald Bernard: ...I have a destiny...

Sacha Stone: Yes, yes.

Ronald Bernard: ...I have a mission, and if this mission continues, for the benefit of life and humanity...

Sacha Stone: Yes.

Ronald Bernard: ...I'm sure they will play out this cards and if I didn't tell anything about my dark past...

Sacha Stone: Yes.

Ronald Bernard: ...they will play out the cards and the trust is gone.

Sacha Stone: Ronald, were you educated into any of the occultic symbology? And I'm talking now about the numbers. The famous "666", "777", "776", "1776", "9/11" - all of these numbers have tremendous significance, correct?

Ronald Bernard: Yeah. We get confronted with symbols and numbers but the most of the knowledge I got was later on, in my new life, in my second life.

Sacha Stone: You researched it and came to understand the symbology?

Ronald Bernard: Pff...it was study of Theology, like studying the Quran, the Bible, the Thora and also all this kind of things. And I started to discover that the whole creation in the four dimesions, the four dimensions we have - earth, this life, is based on numbers. So I start to discover the real codes behind creation that everything is - you can all, bring everything back to the numbers, and then I start to discover that also the dark side I was working with, is also working with all this numbers, this holy numbers...

Sacha Stone: Yes.

Ronald Bernard: ...this double numbers.

Sacha Stone: Yes.

Ronald Bernard: But it's not knowledge I was carrying in my top-level, working with finance.

Sacha Stone: Yes.

Ronald Bernard: We have, um, different ways, different codes, but not the codes you are talking about because you are talking about a sort of holy numbers.

Sacha Stone: Yes, yes.

Ronald Bernard: Secret numbers with power.

Sacha Stone: Right. Good or bad - but they have that power.

Ronald Bernard: Yeah. Yeah, so, um - I know of course this famous "666" number...

Sacha Stone: And the "332".

Ronald Bernard: Yes. That's for example for the "Skull & Bones".

Sacha Stone: Right.

Ronald Bernard: But the "666" is also a misleading number.

Sacha Stone: Very much so. So let's talk about shadow banking.

Ronald Bernard: Yeah.

Sacha Stone: Ok. Because there is... we're clear that there is a Masonic elite that is contained within, compartmentalized within global banking - and that elite has its own set of rules, absolutely, and is able to conduct massive transactions...

Ronald Bernard: Yeah.

Sacha stone: ...completely off the radar screen...

Ronald Bernard: Yeah.

Sacha Stone: ...using flash screen technology - and advanced technologies that we know nothing about.

Ronald Bernard: Well that's, that's, um, a big part of what you are talking about is now also modern time.

Sacha Stone: Right, yes.

Ronald Bernard: In my time we still worked with a lot of cash.

Sacha Stone: And ledgers.

Ronald Bernard: Yeah, and Telex and in that time the Fax, Telefax was just coming out.

Sacha Stone: Right.

Ronald Bernard: The first mobiles were really like with thick batteries. It was not the modern time like you have now. So actually we were more cowboys, eh? I mean, in one of my interviews I was explaining about a visit in Germany, about trucks loaded with money.

Sacha Stone: Yes.

Ronald Bernard: Iraqi dollars, American dollars but they were transported illegal...

Sacha Stone: Ah, ok.

Ronald Bernard: ...because of the embargos in that time, in the beginning of the 90s, the embargos, so they were illegally buying and selling of oil...

Sacha Stone: Yes, yes.

Ronald Bernard: ...in dollars. And in the banking system you have in that time to deal with a lot of cash - later they flow in in palettes, official - in the mainstream you can find 30 Billiards... huge, huge amounts by planes to finance the Iraqi second war - was in 2003 and so on...

Sacha Stone: This was to finance the insurgencies, finance the saboteurs and the provocateurs?

Ronald Bernard: It's...you're talking about the real financial world - I mean, I call it the real financial world - who make it able to do whatever you want in this world, because most of the people on earth: you can buy them.

Sacha Stone: Yes.

Ronald Bernard: You can blackmail them or buy them - it's one of them. There are only a few who will resist.

Sacha Stone: Yes.

Ronald Bernard: Because we live all in a slavery system, so, and for them it's nothing - one million not enough? Ten million! And that's still a joke... in the real world.

Sacha Stone: Yeah, very good.

Ronald Bernard: So, but you mentioned a group - Masonics - that's a world wide organization, but again: they are not the top. They are running a program and they are like the BIS, like all the others, they are listening to the boss. The eight, eight and a half thousand - the real powers.

Sacha Stone: Ok.

Ronald Bernard: And about the real powers - it's not only earthly.

Sacha Stone: Right. Stop. So, the real powers behind the eight and a half thousand is, we begin to deal with metaphysics here? Interdimensional intelligences, lower astral intelligences, extra-terrestrial intelligences?

Ronald Bernard: I discovered one thing about ourselves: we are multi-dimensional - ourselves. We are multi-dimensional and also able to experience a lot of frequencies - all the frequencies. And what you can read in many old history, say holy books and history about native tribes and all, so they all talk about this dualistic system and they all talk about a light manifestation...

Sacha Stone: Yeah.

Ronald Bernard: ...and a dark manifestation. And the financial system on this planet where I worked for is the main key, the main tool to do all the programs they want because they have a program and the Masonics - they have a spiritual mission. And the end goal of this whole thing is that they are following, maybe as one of the few groups on this earth, literally the Bible. Especially also the Revelations...

Sacha Stone: Yes.

Ronald Bernard: ...about what's coming next.

Sacha Stone: Yes.

Ronald Bernard: And you can see this in the recent history - like the rebirth of Israel. It was Palestinia, Palestine, in 1948. Yeah? Was the...

Sacha Stone: Yes.

Ronald Bernard: ...the birth, rebirth...

Sacha Stone: The state of Israel.

Ronald Bernard: The state of Israel. It was all written in the prophecies.

Sacha Stone: Yes.

Ronald Bernard: And they are running the show. They... when I was studying Theology... and I was studying the Bible I was really devastated - like: wow! The miracles of God are happening here! Our allmighty creator of heaven and earth is, wow, doing all this! No, it's not! So, my old work, in the old days connecting with the new awareness in my new life, making matches all over the place about what's going on. And then later, people who were breaking the oath, Masonics...

Sacha Stone: Yeah.

Ronald Bernard: ...are making me more and more aware about this agenda. And the end game they are working on is to create the third temple in Jerusalem.

Sacha Stone: Rebuild the temple of Salomon?

Ronald Bernard: Exactly.

Sacha Stone: The holy land basically returning to this Sabatean cult?

Ronald Bernard: Yes, and the Masonics who are also working through political movements, like the Nazis. They started the "crystal night" in 1933 or '34. The program behind it was to get the Jews out of Europe, Germany...

Sacha Stone: Into their own Homeland, yep.

Ronald Bernard: ...especially the rich ones, the wealthy ones in the program, to Palestine. But nobody wants to move...

Sacha Stone: Nobody wanted to go.

Ronald Bernard: ...nobody wants to move to this desert. And this is why you get all this terror in the Second World War.

Sacha Stone: And the six million figure, that comes out of nowhere, apparently.

Ronald Bernard: Yeah. Because... I cannot prove if these documents of the Red Cross are real...

Sacha Stone: We've investigated them as well.

Ronald Bernard: ...but if they are real...

Sacha Stone: Quarter of a million.

Ronald Bernard: ...we are talking about a few hundred thousand. It's still too much.

Sacha Stone: Of course.

Ronald Bernard: But they were dying because of slavery labor and diseases. But the whole program is - the Nazis were working officially, 'till 1942, with the political Zionists.

Sacha Stone: Yes.

Ronald Bernard: If the political Zionists were 100 percent pure Jews of the twelve tribes, the original ones...

Sacha Stone: Yes.

Ronald Bernard: ...then I can't understand anything anymore - about destroying your own people.

Sacha Stone: Makes no sense.

Ronald Bernard: No. It's Masonic.

Sacha Stone: Yeah.

Ronald Bernard: It's the Masonic...

Sacha Stone: Black/white, black/white, black/white.

Ronald Bernard: Yeah, it's the Masonic thing - and again, again also here the BIS was one of the main keys in financing everything on earth.

Sacha Stone: In 1931, early 30s, right?

Ronald Bernard: That was the beginning. That was the beginning, but before the war and during the war, American industry were sitting there, on the same table like we now, making deals with the Nazis.

Sacha Stone: US Standard Oil and IBM and...

Ronald Bernard: All these companies involved. And in the battlefield - there we have the energy.

Sacha Stone: Right.

Ronald Bernard: There was the sucking.

Sacha Stone: Blood sacrifice.

Ronald Bernard: They were sacrificing children.

Sacha Stone: Yes.

Ronald Bernard: A lot.

Sacha Stone: Let's talk about this, because essentially banking is a, the mechanics of control over humanity.

Ronald Bernard: Is the main one.

Sacha Stone: Right, yes.

Ronald Bernard: Is really the main one.

Sacha Stone: But the objective of banking is to control and create scenarios where blood sacrifice takes place.

Ronald Bernard: On top.

Sacha Stone: Because war, disease and poverty equates to blood sacrifice...

Ronald Bernard: Yes.

Sacha Stone: ...on the collective level.

Ronald Bernard: And this is all because of the bastards...

Sacha Stone: Right.

Ronald Bernard: ...out of who live, out of this fourth dimension.

Sacha Stone: Right.

Ronald Bernard: This is about what I call the Luciferians.

Sacha Stone: Right.

Ronald Bernard: They call them also Djinns and the fallen angels - they have so many names. But they - on the moment we have a fight, an argument who is going out of control - we create negative emotions...

Sacha Stone: Yes.

Ronald Bernard: ...and they live on it...

Sacha Stone: Yes.

Ronald Bernard: ...they suck on it...

Sacha Stone: Yes.

Ronald Bernard: ...all the time, because they are now also around us.

Sacha Stone: Yes.

Ronald Bernard: They are everywhere.

Sacha Stone: Yes.

Ronald Bernard: And especially in finance - because I did it a lot, unfortunately I did it a lot. I was serving them like hell because I was in the middle of financing, also financing - I mean, it was not my money but I arranged everything for them. To create wars, to create actually all the sacrifice.

Sacha Stone: You transcended, you transmuted that experience, Ronald. You are pioneering precisely because you did transmute that experience...

Ronald Bernard: Yes, but...

Sacha Stone: ...into some beautiful chemistry...

Ronald Bernard: ...you know, but the problem is it's still there. It's daily, it's daily there. And people, I don't know, people are not aware. People have to wake up.

Sacha Stone: Let's talk about the soul contract. Let's talk about the soul contract and covenant, that we engage.

Ronald Bernard: On...you know, with this third temple - search for it, all the world leaders are already calling for it, for many years, the New World Order - THEIR New World Order. That's the program, it's combined with the finance system to have us completely slaved, without of cash - all digital - to put us in a digital cave - completely, deciding if they like you or not.

Sacha Stone: But they never thought about Cryptocurrencies and Blockchain, did they?

Ronald Bernard: They did.

Sacha Stone: You believe that they are engineering all of that? You don't believe that is a natural, human, organic response to central banking and fiat? Is Crypto and smart contracts, is our way of...

Ronald Bernard: You can find...

Sacha Stone: ...throwing this devil off the back?

Ronald Bernard: Even in internet you can find a white paper from the NSA from 1995, they were already describing everything you have now in present - like Cryptocurrencies. It's the first and the second generation of Cryptocurrencies - they have a lot of backdoors, they are not free. I'm very happy and aware that step by step people start to choose different.

Sacha Stone: Right.

Ronald Bernard: But about the Cryptocurrencies - it was all created by secret services. Now, in the third and the fourth generations people are taking the tools...

Sacha Stone: And using it.

Ronald Bernard: ...to use it in a positive way.

Sacha Stone: Very good, very good.

Ronald Bernard: So there are positive things going, but I'm more, my reaction was more in the direction of the... in general, the masses, the billions of people.

Sacha Stone: Yes.

Ronald Bernard: Who are still... have no clue...

Sacha Stone: And just follow, whatever.

Ronald Bernard: Yeah. And they have no clue about anything, because they are children. They have the inner child and they have children of their own. And we have to take care of this, with all the people who are able to do this.

Sacha Stone: Ronald, I still want to talk about the soul contract, because at the level that the so-called Illuminati and these Babylonian agents are engaging a soul contract...

Ronald Bernard: Yes.

Sacha Stone: ...one way or the other - with this higher intelligences...

Ronald Bernard: Yeah, they want to have us permanently slaved, enslaved.

Sacha Stone: We understand that - how do these devils revoke that contract if they want to, how do they remove themselves from the contract? Is it possible for them to remove themselves? Times are changing, the world is changing - many of these figures in this echelon are going to be seeing, that they are on the wrong side of history.

Ronald Bernard: Yes.

Sacha Stone: And they are going to want to transition.

Ronald Bernard: Yes.

Sacha Stone: Is there any chance for them to do so?

Ronald Bernard: Yes.

Sacha Stone: How?

Ronald Bernard: By the free will. The free will and making contact with the people who are already in the light manifestation.

Sacha Stone: Ok.

Ronald Bernard: Because the group is growing...

Sacha Stone: Yes.

Ronald Bernard: ...you are one of them...

Sacha Stone: Yes.

Ronald Bernard: ...you are connected with many other people, I am connected with many other people - but the game is over.

Sacha Stone: You mentioned that when you were involved with this Illuminati echelon, you mentioned that you had no empathy.

Ronald Bernard: Yes.

Sacha Stone: That you were calculating and cold and you had the capacity to make decisions here and - boom...

Ronald Bernard: Yes.

Sacha Stone: No heart connection, correct?

Ronald Bernard: Yes, we even laughed about terrible things.

Sacha Stone: Right, what was the transition that happened to you? When, on what day? What occured to you to bring you out of this?

Ronald Bernard: It was the day I died.

Sacha Stone: You witnessed something?

Ronald Bernard: I have seen myself. And I didn't believe it. It was the day I started to be aware that I'm much more than just a slave serving an evil system.

Sacha Stone: Bravo. There must have been an event, Ronald, that happened - what happened on that day? What triggered this?

Ronald Bernard: When you're out of your body, you don't want to come back, actually, because you start to experience a completely different life, a different world. It looks like... I have seen parts of the new world - the world we are talking about in the other dimensions. And they can look like this, but the grass of the green is different - if you look at grass, it's just an example - you can look through the grass and it's still, it's real - it's real grass but you can look through it. I try to describe it. But it's so bright, the colors are so bright - you can even feel colors! Everything is so intense, it's a completely different world.

Sacha Stone: What brought about that, that metaphysical, spiritual experience of this death, this transition? What was it that triggered that?

Ronald Bernard: My heart stopped beating.

Sacha Stone: Literally?

Ronald Bernard: Yes. I was completely out.

Sacha Stone: You were at home? Where did this happen?

Ronald Bernard: No, it was on my work. And they called...

Sacha Stone: Medical service?

Ronald Bernard: Yeah, urgent...

Sacha Stone: Ambulance?

Ronald Bernard: Ambulance.

Sacha Stone: And they resuscitated you?

Ronald Bernard: (affirmative nod) The only moment I remember, um, besides seeing how they were doing all the work on my body...

Sacha Stone: Yes.

Ronald Bernard: ...the real wake-up, coming back - in consciousness, was a crying mother. She was the first one I saw back...

Sacha Stone: You saw this?

Ronald Bernard: Yeah.

Sacha Stone: So in a sense you travelled back in the realm of the archetypes and you saw many things but this was the one that...

Ronald Bernard: Yes.

Sacha Stone: ...made the impresson on you?

Ronald Bernard: Yes.

Sacha Stone: The crying mother?

Ronald Bernard: Yeah.

Sacha Stone: And this is connected directly to the sacrifice of innocence?

Ronald Bernard: Exactly.

Sacha Stone: Right, this is beautiful.

Ronald Bernard: Yeah, but later because I needed to recover, my body, especially my body - even the bones of my back, they have to... well, they have to repair a lot of things in me. But, um, during this recovery time I was also in a private clinic in Luxembourg, and the girlfriend, well, sort of girlfriend I have on that moment, who supported me - she showed me in a forest, in the dark, when I was able to walk a bit - "vuurvliegjes".

Sacha Stone: Oh, fireflies.

Ronald Bernard: Fireflies!

Sacha Stone: That is an insect, no?

Ronald Bernard: Yeah. And I didn't know anything about nature, so that was for me a miracle.

Sacha Stone: Magic.

Ronald Bernard: It was really a miracle - my first contact with nature because before that I was only destroying nature.

Sacha Stone: That's wonderful.

Ronald Bernard: So, about the first touch, I shared already, but after that there were so many other miracles happening in my life - also with other human beings, because... man, in this clinical part - my image about myself, I was so rotten. I have such a negative image about myself in the clinic - I tried to destroy myself as well.

Sacha Stone: Ok.

Ronald Bernard: It was not happening, I was swallowing a lot of pills to sleep and go away.

Sacha Stone: Understand.

Ronald Bernard: But they took me, they took all the pills out of my body and then there was a little boy, who was also damaged, in this clinic - and he come to me with a little Bible for children and I can't remember the words he was saying but it was touching my heart... completely. The words he was saying out of this Bible for children...

Sacha Stone: That's very beautiful.

Ronald Bernard: ...and that was also deep, deep touching inside of me and after that actually my whole life started to be with presence.

Sacha Stone: So, you understand the power of darkness and false light. And you undestand the power of forgiveness, the power of compassion.

Ronald Bernard: The last twenty...

Sacha Stone: The power of absolution.

Ronald Bernard: ...the last twenty-two years I start to discover the positive life, the light manifestations, the unconditional love. And this was growing, so much that I have direct contact...

Sacha Stone: Experience.

Ronald Bernard: ...built up...

Sacha Stone: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Ronald Bernard: ...with the source of life - what I call the creator of heaven and earth.

Sacha Stone: Yes.

Ronald Bernard: I have not a monologue, I have a dialogue.

Sacha Stone: I understand.

Ronald Bernard: It's great.

Sacha Stone: What brings us together in this world is a desire, a burning desire to end all of this shadow in our lifetime.

Ronald Bernard: Yeah.

Sacha Stone: Correct - end this blood sacrifice. End this blood cult...

Ronald Bernard: Yes.

Sacha Stone: ...end this usury, this control, this manipulation.

Ronald Bernard: And to prevent that the souls...

Sacha Stone: Are remaining in the cycle?

Ronald Bernard: Yes, and will not be captured, final - like in eternity. Because they're heading in this program, Freemasonry program - they want us like batteries.

Sacha Stone: Ultimate harvest?

Ronald Bernard: Yes.

Sacha Stone: Yes.

Ronald Bernard: And we are - based on the free will we can choose completely different - because we ARE free. We are a hundred percent free.

Sacha Stone: Yes.

Ronald Bernard: So we have to restore our position, also on earth...

Sacha Stone: Yes.

Ronald Bernard: ...on who we are...

Sacha Stone: Yes.

Ronald Bernard: ...as human beings.

Sacha Stone: Yeah.

Ronald Bernard: Because we are very, very powerful.

Sacha Stone: Redemption, salvation, absolution.

Ronald Bernard: Yeah.

Sacha Stone: These are the words...

Ronald Bernard: Yeah.

Sacha Stone: ...and this is the science of love that we are practicing with our work.

Ronald Bernard: This is the only way.

Sacha Stone: It is the only way. - Ronald Bernard, thank you.

Ronald Bernard: Thank you, too.