The Sublime Somni 451

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fierygt: Have you seen Cloud Atlas?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jRfXTtR34g
@Drunkest
The best minute in Cloud Atlas. Viva la Revolucion! - YouTube ( http://tinyurl.com/h8a8m8u ), linked by EsFeo
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Haskell Moore: There is a natural order to this world, and those who try to upend it do not fare well. This movement will never survive; if you join them, you and your entire family will be shunned. At best, you will exist a pariah to be spat at and beaten-at worst, to be lynched or crucified. And for what? For what? No matter what you do it will never amount to anything more than a single drop in a limitless ocean.
Adam Ewing: What is an ocean but a multitude of drops?
Cloud Atlas is fundamentally about culture and how we are shaped by and shape others yet to come.
Somni 451 begans a replicant. A slave.
A nothing born into the a society of control. But, she is saved by somebody who gives to her culture created by minds who were born and died before she came into existence.
And in that knowledge, like Frederick Douglass in our own timeline, freed her.
It made her immune to control by the actions of small men defending corrupt institutions.
The movie Cloud Atlas, recursively, is another such piece of art.
It is a piece of revolutionary fiction.
And those who consume it are forever changed, empower, much like Somni, to act as a voice of resistance to injustice.
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There is a reason that corrupt governments throughout history attempt to restrict access to such art.
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"This idea that those at the very bottom of a political structure see the reality of oppression more clearly than others is frequently considered by political anthropologists and philosophers, such as Michel Foucault and Engels."
+fierygt
<+Mr-X> "I will do just the worst caricaturization of what I accuse my opponent of, and then a little worse"
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There comes a time when some beings become too smart for their culture.
+fierygt
is n't that EXACTLY how trump ran
+EsFeo
And that is a time of deep joy and freedom.
And of anxiety.
+fierygt
trump was the swift boater to beat all swift boaters.  the projectionist candidate to beat all projectionist candidates.
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As one realizes that those who do not see beyond the scope of their particular lives will feel justified in maintaining control of their small sector of our shared planet.
By, potentially, any means necessary.
“Look again at that dot. That's here. That's home. That's us. On it everyone you love, everyone you know, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever was, lived out their lives. The aggregate of our joy and suffering, thousands of confident religions, ideologies, and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilization, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every mother and father, hopeful child, inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every "superstar," every "supreme leader," every saint and sinner in the history of our species lived there-on a mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam.
The Earth is a very small stage in a vast cosmic arena. Think of the endless cruelties visited by the inhabitants of one corner of this pixel on the scarcely distinguishable inhabitants of some other corner, how frequent their misunderstandings, how eager they are to kill one another, how fervent their hatreds. Think of the rivers of blood spilled by all those generals and emperors so that, in glory and triumph, they could become the momentary masters of a fraction of a dot.
Donald Trump is a momentary master of a fraction of a dot.
The goal is for all the beings to Earth to be able to understand Donald Trump does not move our species forward.
He does not represent hope. He does not represent the good.
We are under no obligations to follow any of his orders or policies.
For the people in housing, in the economy, in the military, in the nuclear silos in our planet to collectively say, 'No.'
'No, Donald. We don't need you.'
+fierygt
trump accused clinton of being in bed with goldman sachs.  and yet, trump is filling his cabinet with GOLDMAN SACHS.  he whined about her 'foundation'...while his was nothing more BUT a money funneling operation for HIM.  shit.  like. that.
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We hold these truths as self-evident: that all people are created equal.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
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Archivist: On behalf of my Ministry and the future of Unanimity, I want to thank you for the final interview. Remember, this isn't an interrogation or trial. Your version of the truth is all that matters.
Sonmi-451: Truth is singular. Its "versions" are mistruths.
Archivist: What if no one believes you?
Sonmi-451: Someone already does.
+fierygt
i don't know who this dude is
why the fuck are you expecting me to regulate what he says?
how, exactly, i'm i supposed to stop him?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnXLOLXDTfM
@Drunkest
Cloud Atlas - Sonmi-451 talks about Love - YouTube ( http://tinyurl.com/hr2hb4p ), linked by EsFeo
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do i LOOK like i am opped here?
no i don't
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“Our lives are not our own. We are bound to others, past and present, and by each crime and every kindness, we birth our future.”
+fierygt
if i did, i would have opped myself already
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Archivist: In your Revelation, you spoke of the consequences of an individual's life rippling through eternity. Does this mean that you believe in an afterlife? In a heaven or a hell?
+fierygt
so?
i can't magically wish myself opped
i don't know
nope.
Stopped ignoring Mr-X!*@*
+Mr-X
Was like ayy lmao lemme log in
+fierygt
what account?
+EsFeo
What is the problem you wish to solve?
+Mr-X
You're not on those bots?
+fierygt
you are HIGHLY overrating my irc expertise.
+EsFeo
Sonmi-451: This is what General Apis asked of me.
Archivist: What, to be executed?
Sonmi-451: If I had remained invisible, the truth would stay hidden. I couldn't allow that.
+fierygt
i don't even know how i ever got opped in here in the first place, other than out of courtesy.
+Mr-X
fierygt: Anyway, at this point we're more meta and derailed than the shitposter
fierygt: Lol
+fierygt
#obama is the only chatroom i worry about my 'ops' in.  i don't even have some sort of bot access in there
+Mr-X
fierygt: What's a (C) at the top of a government document mean? :D
Ignoring Mr-X!*@*
+fierygt
under a trump adminstration, it will mean "cunt".
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If you find yourself getting very upset by somebody creating an argument, leveraging Carl Sagan, Somni 451, Martin Luther King, Thomas Jefferson, 19th century Russian authors as that person connects themselves with the family of human lives, across generation, to invoke and create justice, I think you should introspect.
For, as the Hopi people have noted, We are the one's we've been waiting for.
"The time for the lone wolf is over.  Gather yourselves!  Banish the word struggle from you attitude and your vocabulary.  All that we do now must be done in a sacred manner and in celebration.

    "We are the ones we've been waiting for."
I got too smart for control by transparent patriotism.
This makes me dangerous to systems built of transparent patriotism, devoid of wisdom, or significance.
+fierygt
you are talking about blind partisans.  which you can just criticize people in #obama for...but it was also blind partisans that allowed trump to get elected in the first place.  without those blind partisans, he would have polled worse than gary johnson.  its WHY he ran as a republican in the first place.
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"One day, people will read about us. They will read about how we encountered injustice. And how we did not respond with violence, but with courage and dignity. They will read up a proud and noble negro people." - MLK 'Letter from a Birmingham Jail'
I read MLK's letter. I learned a proud and noble negro people who became the leaders of a nation.
And he helped birth my future.
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And that is left, in this argument, is for me to connect to 19th (and 20th) century Russian authors.
"That may be the real message of the film. Sonmi 451, a human clone, played with ideas that would ultimately define a revolution,redeem humankind, and make her a beacon of hope in a bleak future. Watch the film and even if you don’t subscribe to the pontificating, greatly inspired by the Russian philosopher Aleksandr Isayevich Solzhenitsyn who was sentenced to eight years in a Soviet prison camp for his novels but who ultimately won a Nobel prize for them, admire the ambition that it took to tell the stories. - See more at: http://culturemass.com/2013/06/28/cloud-atlas-the-dream-deferred/#sthash.0zS78viy.dpuf"
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Cloud Atlas: The Dream Deferred - CultureMass ( http://tinyurl.com/jgnd8db ), linked by EsFeo
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleksandr_Solzhenitsyn
@Drunkest
Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn - Wikipedia ( http://tinyurl.com/ns77at9 ), linked by EsFeo
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Aleksandr Isayevich[a] Solzhenitsyn (/ˌsoʊlʒəˈniːtsɪn, ˌsɔːl-/;[2] Russian: Алекса́ндр Иса́евич Солжени́цын, pronounced [ɐlʲɪˈksandr ɪˈsaɪvʲɪtɕ səlʐɨˈnʲitsɨn]; 11 December 1918 – 3 August 2008)[3] (often Romanized to Alexandr or Alexander)[4][5] was a Russian novelist, historian, and short story writer. He was an outspoken critic of the Soviet Union and communism and helped to raise global awareness of its Gulag forced labor camp system. He was allowed to publish only one work in the Soviet Union, One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich (1962), in the periodical Novy Mir. After this he had to publish in the West, most notably Cancer Ward (1968), August 1914 (1971), and The Gulag Archipelago (1973). Solzhenitsyn was awarded the 1970 Nobel Prize in Literature "for the ethical force with which he has pursued the indispensable traditions of Russian literature".[6] Solzhenitsyn was afraid to go to Stockholm to receive his award for fear that he would not be allowed to reenter. He was eventually expelled from the Soviet Union in 1974, but returned to Russia in 1994 after the state's dissolution.
+fierygt
i didn't say it was all.  i said it took blind partisans that allowed him to get elected.
people who KNEW better but voted for 'republican', because they are blind partisans.
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"I owe my life to a self-free slave, and I cannot in good conscience participate in this kind of business any longer"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VP_WLznl100
@Drunkest
Cloud Atlas Last Scene TR Altyaz1l1 - YouTube ( http://tinyurl.com/hkwzml5 ), linked by EsFeo
+fierygt
they didn't really 'gang up on him'.  they were pathetic in their 'i won't endorse him, but i WILL vote for him' bullshit.
THAT is blind partisanship.
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Speaking in Baltimore in 1894, Douglass said, "I hope and trust all will come out right in the end, but the immediate future looks dark and troubled. I cannot shut my eyes to the ugly facts before me."[97]