[5:28 PM] Gumaer: You all need to start acting like you are in charge of this club and actually moderate this forum.  It is not my job to do so.
[6:42 PM] [Hunter] Venator: What do you do when the moderation are the ones who need moderated?
[6:45 PM] Gumaer: You wanted the position to lead, so teach others to respect one another in the club.
[6:46 PM] Gumaer: That response you just had is a good one.
[6:51 PM] [Hunter] Venator: I don't think my position has much influence here.
[7:02 PM] Gumaer: Then we delete the discord.  You are the president of the club.
[7:03 PM] Gumaer: If you do not think you have influence, you are incorrect.
[8:26 PM] [AJ L.] Reformed: @@Gumaer the issue is that the hierarchy of power in the Discord isnt accurate to the club at all. Also, theres a clique that exists to solely berate on members they dont like behind their backs. Theres too much tension amongst Hunter and the former staff for some reason. If anyone else would like to resolve their personal issues with another instead of being in the good boy server that Hunter was kicked from, feel obliged.  Im hust trying to say that this shouldnt all just be on Hunter, Jason.
[8:26 PM] Gumaer: He is the president.
[8:26 PM] Gumaer: He has a vice president and an executive.
[8:26 PM] Gumaer: If you don't want the job, don't voluneer.
[8:27 PM] Gumaer: And if you cannot handle the discord, we can nuke it.
[8:28 PM] Gumaer: The attendance has slowly been dropping in the club, so if you want one next semester, I highly recommend you stop playing smash bros and figure things out.
[8:31 PM] Gumaer: Blaming other people isn't going to get you anywhere.
[8:35 PM] [AJ L.] Reformed: I dont think exposing the clique that has caused issues for the current president is blaming anyone. If thats your response to the information I presented, then I say nuke the Discord. Cuz solving issues amongst the people isnt what should be done, apparently.
[8:36 PM] Gumaer: Have you asked why they are upset at Hunter?
[8:38 PM] Gumaer: Because there is a reason why half the club just left.
[8:40 PM] Gumaer: And because none of you talk to me about it, and I mean old members and new members, this is how I need to treat you.
[8:41 PM] Hutch: Would love to help, but i've only got an 8am class and then work the rest of the day, 5 days a week. I've been very absent from the club this semester.
[8:42 PM] Hutch: if yall need help with the harder in person conversations to nip stuff in the butt let me know. but from the fly on the wall perspective, they need to happen soon
[9:03 PM] [AJ L.] Reformed: Yeah I know. Its because Tom and Hunter had a disagreement on relationships at a house party that has nothing to do with the club and now Tom doesnt like him. There is no actual reason, its just personal disagreements and cliques. Im just trying to explain that this isnt as black and white as it may seem.
[9:04 PM] Gumaer: Because I hear a club member that was votes out of the club due to sexual harassment is somehow back in the club. That wouldn't have anything to do with it, right?
[9:08 PM] Gumaer: And telling me that I don't know both sides of the story isn't an excuse. You need to telle both sides of the story.
[9:09 PM] [AJ L.] Reformed: Their dislike of Hunter started way before that. And did you not say yourself that he is allowed back? Im the one who told Hunter it was okay. If you wanna despise anyone, its me. And he doesnt show up anymore. He came around the week I told him its fine and he hasnt come back since. Freddy isnt the reason attendence has dropped. No one who was present for the vote is even attending the school anymore except myself, Hutch, and Damion.
[9:10 PM] Gumaer: Was there a vote to let him back in?
[9:11 PM] Hutch: which vote was this?
[9:11 PM] Gumaer: And I'm not railing against you AJ, you are not staff. It is not your responsibility to fix anything.
[9:14 PM] [AJ L.] Reformed: I know, but I feel bad for Hunter. And I will continue to state that theres a lot more that you and I both dont get to see. I just know it exists; presenting the information. It'd be better if the actual staff members involved stopped avoiding it and talk to you themselves.
[9:15 PM] Gumaer: The longer you all keep me in the dark on these things, the worse it will get.
[9:16 PM] Gumaer: I know I just say "I just sign the forms," but it looks more and more like I am the only adult in the room.
[10:06 PM] [Hunter] Venator: Thank you for standing up for me AJ I really appreciate it. I've been at work and that's why my responses are so sparse
[10:11 PM] [Hunter] Venator: Freddy doesnt even come to meetings. He just plays games in the Ritz sometimes.
[10:11 PM] [Hunter] Venator: What AJ said is really all there is to it. Tom and I disagreed about something at a party last semester and since then he has had it out for me.
[10:13 PM] [Hunter] Venator: There's a server him, mary, vincent, and chris are in who regular shit talk you and others. That's the clique AJ is referring to.
[10:13 PM] [Hunter] Venator: The reason I say my position does not mean anything here is because Tom OWNS the server. His position has power over all others. Even though he doesn't attend dutchess anymore.
[10:14 PM] [Hunter] Venator: @Gumaer
[10:14 PM] Hutch: i can just text him to transfer it to gumaer
[10:17 PM] Gumaer: You have options, but not talking to me does not help.
[10:19 PM] Gumaer: But, you need to step up and take your role seriously. If there is a problem, you don't just bury it.
[10:20 PM] [Hunter] Venator: I've told you everything there is to tell. I dont know what else you what me to do.
[10:22 PM] Gumaer: Me learning about this stuff because someone posted some perverted stuff and only I stepped in to defend the offended person doesn't help. If you want the leadership position, you need to take these things seriously. And I'm talking moving forward, nothing you can do in the past.
[10:23 PM] [Hunter] Venator: What was I supposed to do then?
[10:24 PM] Gumaer: Nothing you can do in the past.
[10:25 PM] [Hunter] Venator: I can honestly say with 100% certainty, Mary was not offended.
[10:25 PM] Gumaer: Doesn't matter.
[10:26 PM] Gumaer: You know the club rules.
[10:26 PM] [Hunter] Venator: Obviously I do not.
[10:27 PM] Gumaer: That's a problem. Generally speaking, if it revolve around something sexual, you don't ask questions.
[10:28 PM] [Hunter] Venator: Were you not just telling us you wanted to hear both sides of things?
[10:29 PM] [Hunter] Venator: Cuz that doesn't sound like hearing both sides.
[10:29 PM] Gumaer: You don't mess with Title IX
[10:29 PM] Gumaer: Period.
[10:30 PM] Gumaer: You can't deal with that, then it will lead to big HR problems.
[10:31 PM] [Hunter] Venator: Not even title IX would go through without an investigation. Freddy had one, and evidence against him was provided.
[10:32 PM] Gumaer: I give you all a lot of latitude. Please don't make me change that.
[10:32 PM] Gumaer: The actual investigation is the HR problems. And you don't know what I had to do on the back-end.
[10:35 PM] Gumaer: Your job is take make sure the club is an inclusive place. So there have been times were we stopped playing certain games because people had a problem. We didn't ask questions, we stopped playing them.
[10:37 PM] Gumaer: Also, deleting a photo on discord doesn't hurt anyone.
[10:43 PM] [Hunter] Venator: I do not know of any cases where we stopped playing any games.
[10:44 PM] Gumaer: Well, I've been the club advisor for 7 years.
[10:44 PM] [Hunter] Venator: You want an inclusive place. So do I. That's all I want.
[10:44 PM] Gumaer: Longer than you have been here.
[10:44 PM] [Hunter] Venator: Find me an example where I have ever said such things to another member.

[10:44 PM] [Hunter] Venator:

[10:44 PM] [Hunter] Venator:

[10:45 PM] [Hunter] Venator: And you joined the discord last semester. I dont know when it was made, but I know it was before my time.
[10:46 PM] Gumaer: Why does everyone immediately think they need to defend themselves. You are the president. There is a higher standard. If you have a problem with what he said, then you can out him on a time out.
[10:47 PM] Gumaer: "Oh but this person did this." Doesn't matter.
[10:47 PM] Gumaer: And if the ownership of the discord is the problem, start a new one next semester.
[10:49 PM] Gumaer: I do not want to touch that ban hammer, but I was about to with everyone in that thread.
[10:52 PM] [Hunter] Venator: Just because I'm president doesnt mean I can do whatever I want.
[10:53 PM] Gumaer: At this point, I am going to leave that thread alone unless something like this happens again. Then I will do some timeouts if I can figure out how discord works.
[10:54 PM] Gumaer: And @Hutch will be the first to get hit with the ban hammer because he works too much.
[10:54 PM] Hutch: shittttt
[10:54 PM] [Hunter] Venator: Please just listen to me. I haven't done anything wrong.
[10:54 PM] Hutch: I'll bribe you with holiday baked goods
[10:55 PM] Gumaer: Hunter, I never said you did.
[10:56 PM] Gumaer: Not knowing how to deal with a situation is not the same as doing something wrong.
[10:58 PM] Gumaer: You see how I deal with these situations in the threads (this art one and the aborted fetus one).  I never imply someone did something wrong. I just kindly ask them to stop. The problem is people normally flip out and find some need to defend themselves. Like what happened in the art one where the person insulted the person who wanted the picture down.
[10:59 PM] Gumaer: And that fetus one was so stupid.
[11:00 PM] Gumaer: But I cannot keep doing this as it is not my role. I should step in if there is no longer a recourse.
[11:06 PM] Gumaer: Also @Hutch I will also take baked good.
[11:06 PM] [Hunter] Venator: Okay, dealing with this
[11:07 PM] [Hunter] Venator: Power over the server needs to be moved
[11:07 PM] [Hunter] Venator: Before anything can move forward, I think that should be dealt with.
[11:08 PM] Gumaer: I think I already have all of that.  I am pretty sure Tom gave those to me when I nuked the nsfw thread.  I will check with him.
[11:09 PM] Gumaer: Because I can change roles and what not.
[11:09 PM] [Hunter] Venator: Try to change something on tom
[11:09 PM] [Hunter] Venator: If it does not work, you are not the owner
[11:10 PM] [Hunter] Venator: No one can change anything on the owner in any way, even if you have the role at the top of the list, which I do.
[11:10 PM] [Hunter] Venator: And I cannot edit him, therefore he is the owner.
[11:11 PM] Gumaer: I can change settings for the server.
[11:11 PM] [Hunter] Venator: Yes
[11:11 PM] [Hunter] Venator: Everyone in this room can
[11:12 PM] Gumaer: I'm not going to go and just mess with someone's roles, but I do have a list of check marks when I right click his name.
[11:15 PM] Gumaer: We also don't need to figure this out tonight.
[11:32 PM] [Hunter] Venator: Better to deal with it now.
[11:36 PM] Gumaer: No, I am grading, doing data science work, and going to sleep.  It is not a priority.
[11:36 PM] [Hunter] Venator: Okay, so tom's roles can be managed, but as owner they don't do anything. Like if he had none or every single one his power would be the same.
[11:36 PM] Gumaer: You should study for your finals.
[11:36 PM] Gumaer: I can talk with him.
[11:38 PM] [Hunter] Venator: If anything changes while you're busy I'll take care of it if I can.
[11:44 PM] Gumaer: Nope, you need to calm down.
[11:49 AM] [Hunter] Venator: Might be a few mins late
[11:55 AM] [Omar]Tonic/Nijio: Ok can say we have stopped playing certain games and watching certain anime during my time in the club
[12:00 PM] [Omar]Tonic/Nijio: Some people will be more sensitive than others and we don't always baby everyone but during the time I was president we dealt with a big HR problem and that left the club with a bad image. @Gumaer is just trying to keep peace cause I can testify how much of a shit storm that was. And i'm pretty sure thom transferred power to guemar a while ago. Hunter being president is different then any other role I had people who cared and liked what I did and others who hated me for censoring or banning them but I did what needed to be done.
[12:16 PM] Gumaer: You essentially have to remove any personal judgements. No matter how much I disliked @[Omar]Tonic/Nijio , I still treated him like everyone else.
[12:30 PM] [Omar]Tonic/Nijio: love you to @Gumaer
[12:30 PM] Gumaer: Too*
[12:30 PM] [Omar]Tonic/Nijio: whatever
[12:40 PM] [Jeremy S.] GameWrite9: I’m so damn confused
[12:40 PM] [Jeremy S.] GameWrite9: Explain please
[12:40 PM] [Jeremy S.] GameWrite9: I’d prefer to be informed and not have mom and older brother argue about something infront if me
[12:44 PM] [Hunter] Venator: @Gumaer Are you coming for elections?
[12:45 PM] Gumaer: Be there in a minute.
[12:47 PM] [Jeremy S.] GameWrite9: Ok