signus the chessmaster

[5:48 PM] Leafia_Barrett: I had the dumbest idea on the way home
[5:48 PM] Leafia_Barrett: so remember how I was pushing for Signus to be characterized as a chessmaster
[5:49 PM] Kiri: mmm?
[5:49 PM] Leafia_Barrett: one of the ideas spitballed early on was that the Crimson was Wrath's doing, at least partially
[5:49 PM] Leafia_Barrett: before any of the guardians or any of that was even thought about, I don't even remember if you were in the project
[5:51 PM] Leafia_Barrett: what if the Crimson was part of some massive last gambit by Signus to try and bring somebody to find and subsequently end Yharon
[5:52 PM] Kiri: I see what you're going for
[5:52 PM] Kiri: I worry it's a few too many steps out
[5:53 PM] Leafia_Barrett: I'm just throwing something out there
[5:53 PM] Leafia_Barrett: it would fit the "he will set 2 armies against one another to see one man burn" sort of idea I put forth
[5:54 PM] Kiri: I have a weirdly hard time describing the image of this guy that I have in my head so far
[5:54 PM] Leafia_Barrett: after all, who would his wrath be most concentrated on if not the one that drove him insane to begin with
[5:55 PM] Kiri: where just... he's willing to be cunning to a degree where he's almost running on madman's logic, just because his frustrations and his hatred are boiling over and running so deep
[5:56 PM] Kiri: like... he's not all cool and level-headed bad guy or anything; if you saw him while he was doing any of his planning for any of this, whatever it ends up being, he'd be shaking and seething and clutching his head the entire time
[5:57 PM] Kiri: because this is a guy who's been confronted with the reality of Yharon
[5:57 PM] Kiri: I think I tried to describe it before in group chat with like... 'brilliance, out of desperation'
[5:59 PM] Kiri: I don't know how much of this overlaps with what you want but, it was my own first impression
[5:59 PM] Leafia_Barrett: ...when you put it that way, I guess it doesn't really present any roadblocks to the kind of thing I had in mind at its root
[6:03 PM] Kiri: What if there was like.
[6:03 PM] Kiri: mkay hear me out on this one.
[6:03 PM] Kiri: if he's gonna be masterminding some bullshit here's a thought.
[6:03 PM] Kiri: Lilac was his fault.
[6:04 PM] Kiri: Her curse and the ties to the corruption as Celeste and everything was him trying to see what he could do to a mortal
[6:04 PM] Kiri: for the express purpose of 'evolve an individual until they could challenge Yharon'
[6:04 PM] Leafia_Barrett: yes. this is exactly the kind of thing I was trying to get at.
[6:04 PM] Leafia_Barrett: :D
[6:05 PM] Kiri: he was in on Red getting tainted by Envy because 'hell yes, let's make a bigger mess, maybe by the end I'll be on to something'
[6:06 PM] Kiri: 'He's already quarter gaia, quarter dryad, half mortal, let's fuck 'em up real hard'
[6:07 PM] Kiri: once he noticed that Skeletron forcibly reincarnated them both, he was like 'okay, maybe I'm onto something'
[6:12 PM] Kiri: if we wanted to push it, maybe Solacia was at least part his fault too
[6:12 PM] Kiri: since she just kinda has always been at least a little magically unstable(edited)
[6:13 PM] Leafia_Barrett: I mean, I did say that single-element souls don't naturally happen, didn't I?
[6:13 PM] Kiri: took some kind of mysterious stranger incarnation to help her complete the overloader even
[6:14 PM] Kiri: he was the sin that the goblins called upon when they did their final siege during the lunar fiasco
[6:14 PM] Kiri: because he expressly wanted the pillars to rise such that Sol would get to interact with them
[6:14 PM] Kiri: ... you know, that's
[6:14 PM] Kiri: I had a sequence planned where
[6:15 PM] Kiri: once she touched the nebula pillar, she'd have basically a trip-out bit where the Moon Lord was able to communicate with her because 'okay I just felt a spike of something, so I know someone is up to some bullshit'
[6:15 PM] Kiri: ... maybe Signus is a really good liar.
[6:15 PM] Kiri: and has a really good Moon Lord impression.
[6:17 PM] Leafia_Barrett: remind me when you're planning to play Kirby Star Allies? because I am biting my tongue so hard right now
[6:17 PM] Kiri: shrug
[6:18 PM] Leafia_Barrett: I have begun constructing the framework for the Overloader
[6:18 PM] Leafia_Barrett: player.statManaMax2 += overloadPercent > 100 ? 40 : 0;
[6:19 PM] Kiri: I'm just imagining the scene where everyone gets to talk to the real Moon Lord
[6:19 PM] Kiri: and Solacia's just like 'oh yeah by the way, thanks for that one time'
[6:19 PM] Kiri: and he's just like
[6:20 PM] Kiri: '... Have we met...?'