(5:39:14 AM) SprtJuice: ...
(5:39:17 AM) SprtJuice: soul calibur
(5:39:18 AM) SprtJuice: sigh
(5:39:19 AM) TheDon323: the best.
(5:39:20 AM) SprtJuice: joke series
(5:39:23 AM) SprtJuice: joke game
(5:39:24 AM) SprtJuice: at evo
(5:39:31 AM) TheDon323: lol why are people so mad
(5:39:33 AM) TheDon323: SC5 is there
(5:39:39 AM) TheDon323: I really dont get why people hate on SC
(5:39:39 AM) SprtJuice: does it still have the armor break "system"
(5:39:45 AM) SprtJuice: because it's horrible?
(5:39:49 AM) SprtJuice: and the community is horrible?
(5:40:16 AM) Soniti: i haven't actually enjoyed any SC game since 2
(5:40:18 AM) TheDon323: lol http://shoryuken.com/forum/index.php?threads/no-blazblue-at-evo-2012.152171/page-2#post-6338808
(5:40:21 AM) Soniti: and i mostly prefered 1
(5:40:23 AM) TheDon323: -shrug--
(5:40:27 AM) TheDon323: because its horrible
(5:40:28 AM) TheDon323: man.
(5:40:34 AM) Zabel: SCV looks good
(5:40:36 AM) TheDon323: FGC lolz.
(5:40:38 AM) Zabel: And the community is meh
(5:40:43 AM) Zabel: Not worse than any other
(5:40:43 AM) TheDon323: claiming one game is bad
(5:40:44 AM) huey253: i like
(5:40:45 AM) TheDon323: cuz
(5:40:49 AM) TheDon323: BB is the Most superior
(5:40:50 AM) TheDon323: fighting game right
(5:40:53 AM) TheDon323: therefore
(5:40:56 AM) TheDon323: it should be in evo right?
(5:40:56 AM) TheDon323: lol
(5:40:59 AM) huey253: when mr wizard
(5:41:00 AM) TheDon323: and not SC.
(5:41:07 AM) huey253: got mad that aksys didn't sponsor evo
(5:41:14 AM) huey253: thats my favorite part
(5:41:34 AM) TheDon323: lol
(5:41:49 AM) SprtJuice: http://shoryuken.com/forum/index.php?threads/no-blazblue-at-evo-2012.152171/page-2#post-6339325
(5:41:52 AM) SprtJuice: this post is funny
(5:42:16 AM) SprtJuice: i'm sure the amount of money to be at evo is something aksys cannot afford
(5:42:29 AM) huey253: yeah
(5:42:35 AM) huey253: me too
(5:42:43 AM) SprtJuice: HOW DARE AUTUMN GAMES NOT SPONSOR EVO
(5:42:46 AM) huey253: but its whatever
(5:42:51 AM) SprtJuice: WHY DIDN'T THEY PAY 10,000 DOLLARS TO BE THERE
(5:42:55 AM) SprtJuice: OBVIOUSLY THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT THEIR GAME
(5:43:23 AM) huey253: hmmm
(5:43:35 AM) huey253: so
(5:43:42 AM) Zabel: That post is hilarious
(5:43:50 AM) huey253: i wonder how the future will unfold
(5:44:08 AM) TheDon323: well CS2 was at evo.
(5:44:13 AM) huey253: not about BB
(5:44:18 AM) huey253: SF x TEKKEN
(5:44:25 AM) huey253: lol
(5:44:39 AM) TheDon323: hmm tbh the same anime game hasn't even poped up twice at evo
(5:44:57 AM) TheDon323: melty blood was there once
(5:45:11 AM) SprtJuice: sfxt like
(5:45:16 AM) SprtJuice: had potential to be fun
(5:45:20 AM) SprtJuice: without gems
(5:45:32 AM) SprtJuice: a basic game but it could be fun in the era of LOL XFACTOR GUD GAME
(5:45:41 AM) SprtJuice: gems is probably going to ruin it
(5:45:43 AM) Zabel: The SDCC build seemed really cool
(5:45:48 AM) Zabel: Then they changed the chain system
(5:45:50 AM) SprtJuice: as well as capcom's DLC bullshit with the gems
(5:45:53 AM) Zabel: And introduced gmes :-/
(5:46:36 AM) huey253: lol
(5:46:41 AM) DigiLapto: time to run that kazunoko style anime team
(5:46:50 AM) DigiLapto: just pick top tier in capcom games
(5:46:51 AM) huey253: i can't wait to bring my DLC gems to a tournament
(5:46:52 AM) DigiLapto: and go from there
(5:46:57 AM) huey253: i'll show  them!
(5:46:58 AM) TheDon323: BB community going to try to become Kazunoko
(5:47:00 AM) TheDon323: Failures
(5:47:01 AM) TheDon323: all of you
(5:47:03 AM) TheDon323: Failures.
(5:47:10 AM) huey253: what
(5:47:11 AM) DigiLapto: less effort
(5:47:13 AM) DigiLapto: !
(5:47:13 AM) TheDon323: just to get revenge
(5:47:16 AM) TheDon323: on mr.wizard.
(5:47:17 AM) TheDon323: lol
(5:47:18 AM) DigiLapto: man
(5:47:18 AM) huey253: i'm trying to win with my DLC gems!
(5:47:20 AM) DigiLapto: I already play wesker
(5:47:21 AM) Zabel: Did they ever show
(5:47:41 AM) Zabel: What the DLC gems were
(5:47:54 AM) Soniti: this game on the SDA Charity marathon is hilarious
(5:48:13 AM) Soniti: http://www.justin.tv/speeddemosarchivesda
(5:48:53 AM) Soniti: i never knew sega made a parody of mario like this
(5:48:54 AM) SprtJuice: i'll give wizard the fact that numbers for BB have been less than impressive
(5:48:56 AM) SprtJuice: but yeah the whole
(5:49:09 AM) SprtJuice: "aksys didnt sponsor evo" is a bit of an outlandish statement
(5:49:22 AM) DigiLapto: I mean
(5:49:22 AM) SprtJuice: i'm pretty certain aksys can't afford to sponsor evo
(5:49:24 AM) TheDon323: I agree on everything except that.
(5:49:25 AM) SprtJuice: or if they did
(5:49:31 AM) SprtJuice: they'd just have to not sponsor any other tournament
(5:49:35 AM) SprtJuice: and pool all their money into evo
(5:49:39 AM) SprtJuice: which
(5:49:41 AM) SprtJuice: inversley
(5:49:47 AM) SprtJuice: hurts numbers for other tournaments
(5:49:58 AM) SprtJuice: and would make someone say
(5:49:59 AM) DigiLapto: yeah
(5:50:12 AM) SprtJuice: WHY DIDN'T THEY SPONSOR THESE OTHER TOURNAMENTS WHY SHOULD WE LET THEM SPONSOR EVO LOL
(5:50:16 AM) TheDon323: no offense scott, but you DO see people bitching about BB isn't guilty gear, and its own players shitting on the game, and when you see aksys putting in money for their games theres less people entering BB and more in other games tha dont have a bonus.
(5:50:37 AM) DigiLapto: ppl still bitching on that 3 years later
(5:50:44 AM) DigiLapto: i thought it died down mostly
(5:50:44 AM) DigiLapto: lol
(5:50:50 AM) SprtJuice: people that bitch about BB not being GG are autistic retards
(5:51:02 AM) SprtJuice: i dunno people that still do that though
(5:51:02 AM) TheDon323: by a huge margin. so in a way, I do agree that alot of the BB community don't support its own scene
(5:51:11 AM) SprtJuice: BB was never GG and was never intended
(5:51:15 AM) TheDon323: it doesn't mean there isnt ALOT of autisticretards
(5:51:17 AM) TheDon323: lol
(5:51:22 AM) TheDon323: austistic retards
(5:51:42 AM) SprtJuice: what's funny is that those players want another GG
(5:51:51 AM) SprtJuice: but they would support it as much as BB players support BB
(5:51:56 AM) TheDon323: idk just saying you can't be one sided and just look at what you want, cuz when I see the BB community I kinda completely agree on what Mr.wizard said except being mad at aksys not putting in money
(5:52:03 AM) TheDon323: lol
(5:52:15 AM) SprtJuice: what
(5:52:18 AM) SprtJuice: nigga are you blind
(5:52:23 AM) SprtJuice: or i dont get what you're saying
(5:52:31 AM) SprtJuice: i'm not disagreeing with the lack of numbers
(5:52:40 AM) TheDon323: I'm not just talking about the lack of numbers
(5:52:57 AM) DigiLapto: you two are agreeing with each other
(5:53:00 AM) DigiLapto: if you didnt notice
(5:53:00 AM) SprtJuice: then wtf is your ass talking about
(5:53:00 AM) DigiLapto: lol
(5:53:11 AM) SprtJuice: donavan is black and is too stupid to read i guess
(5:53:13 AM) TheDon323: but you seemed pretty fixated that BB should be at evo despite these reasons.
(5:53:29 AM) SprtJuice: are you talking about my FB posts?
(5:53:35 AM) SprtJuice: if so you should've said that
(5:53:38 AM) SprtJuice: in the first place
(5:53:43 AM) SprtJuice: cus i haven't mentioned that at all in here
(5:53:44 AM) SprtJuice: lol
(5:53:45 AM) huey253: don is retarded
(5:53:46 AM) TheDon323: I'm putting that into account yeh and since u've been takling about BB not being at evo too
(5:53:48 AM) SprtJuice: yeah
(5:53:49 AM) huey253: don't mind him
(5:53:50 AM) SprtJuice: don is retarded
(5:53:51 AM) SprtJuice: lol
(5:53:54 AM) TheDon323: lol ok w/e.
(5:53:58 AM) TheDon323: fine..
(5:53:58 AM) SprtJuice: Well in a perfect world
(5:54:02 AM) TheDon323: I'm retarded.
(5:54:03 AM) SprtJuice: good games should be at Evo
(5:54:05 AM) SprtJuice: and at tournaments
(5:54:10 AM) SprtJuice: but sadly that isn't the case
(5:54:13 AM) SprtJuice: and the FG scene
(5:54:15 AM) SprtJuice: is fucked
(5:54:28 AM) SprtJuice: at least kof is at evo
(5:54:32 AM) huey253: i guess you messed the whole point of
(5:54:38 AM) huey253: LOL SF X TEKKEN
(5:54:42 AM) TheDon323: well if you look at the FGC. I think they rather FGS they like than actual balanced game
(5:54:43 AM) huey253: missed*
(5:54:44 AM) TheDon323: MARVEL
(5:54:47 AM) TheDon323: SF X tekken
(5:54:50 AM) SprtJuice: well no
(5:54:51 AM) SprtJuice: don
(5:54:52 AM) TheDon323: games of luck
(5:54:54 AM) SprtJuice: the scene is retarded
(5:54:57 AM) SprtJuice: like i've said before
(5:54:57 AM) huey253: don
(5:54:59 AM) huey253: like
(5:55:01 AM) SprtJuice: the FGC wants good games
(5:55:03 AM) SprtJuice: but they don't play them
(5:55:11 AM) SprtJuice: and continue to bitch about dishonest games
(5:55:17 AM) TheDon323: I just think its what they want to play.
(5:55:32 AM) SprtJuice: They want to play bad games, but then bitch about how the games are bad?
(5:55:49 AM) TheDon323: well if they have fun playing it thats all that matters..?
(5:56:01 AM) TheDon323: I support that if they enjoy the game and have fun with it..
(5:56:17 AM) TheDon323: I think its certainly better than a community of players not enjoying a game
(5:56:24 AM) SprtJuice: You think that players that say Marvel is fucking awful and they hate but continue to play it because they think it's fun?
(5:56:25 AM) TheDon323: and putting it in evo just cuz its balanced
(5:56:38 AM) SprtJuice: a game doesn't have to be balanced to be good
(5:56:43 AM) SprtJuice: mvc2 was not balanced
(5:56:46 AM) SprtJuice: game was stupid as fuck
(5:56:54 AM) SprtJuice: but it got mad respect for the skill cap of the game
(5:56:56 AM) SprtJuice: and was a good game
(5:57:09 AM) SprtJuice: marvel 3 skill cap is joke status because of xfactor
(5:57:23 AM) SprtJuice: granted results are roughly the same at majors
(5:57:27 AM) SprtJuice: xfactor is still a huge problem
(5:57:35 AM) SprtJuice: and you'd see players win a lot less without it
(5:57:38 AM) TheBiter: a dota player talking about skill cap
(5:57:38 AM) TheBiter: :V
(5:57:40 AM) TheDon323: I think people still enjoy the game and think its fun
(5:57:53 AM) SprtJuice: dota skill cap is hella high jeff
(5:58:01 AM) TheDon323: despite  knowing the skill cap isnt so high
(5:58:04 AM) TheBiter: nah
(5:58:07 AM) TheBiter: its not skill cap dude.
(5:58:16 AM) SprtJuice: team based games have very high skill caps
(5:58:21 AM) TheBiter: no
(5:58:23 AM) SprtJuice: yes
(5:58:24 AM) TheBiter: when your partner fails you
(5:58:25 AM) SprtJuice: lol
(5:58:27 AM) TheBiter: tahts nothign to do with your skill
(5:58:35 AM) SprtJuice: maybe in pugs
(5:58:40 AM) SprtJuice: in competitive play
(5:58:44 AM) SprtJuice: of course it does
(5:59:08 AM) TheBiter: no
(5:59:24 AM) SprtJuice: yes
(5:59:26 AM) SprtJuice: stop trolling
(5:59:29 AM) SprtJuice: faggot
(5:59:30 AM) SprtJuice: lol
(5:59:36 AM) TheBiter: im not
(5:59:39 AM) TheBiter: dota is stupid
(5:59:45 AM) SprtJuice: well then you're being really ignorant
(5:59:53 AM) TheBiter: nope
(5:59:54 AM) TheDon323: FGC sucks.
(5:59:56 AM) SprtJuice: yup
(5:59:58 AM) TheBiter: i played a ton of dota
(6:00:00 AM) TheBiter: and its faggotry
(6:00:15 AM) TheBiter: i dont consider teamwork as skill
(6:00:15 AM) SprtJuice: maybe at pub level
(6:00:18 AM) SprtJuice: lol.
(6:00:48 AM) SprtJuice: team based game when everyone plays for themselves
(6:00:52 AM) SprtJuice: makes total sense to me
(6:01:01 AM) SprtJuice: everyone gotta be kobe bryant
(6:01:02 AM) SprtJuice: in team games
(6:01:03 AM) SprtJuice: i guess
(6:01:10 AM) TheBiter: see now you are just being defensive
(6:01:22 AM) SprtJuice: no because you're making horrible statements
(6:01:29 AM) TheBiter: the skill cap in dota isnt that high dude
(6:01:38 AM) huey253: i wanna be kobe bryant
(6:01:38 AM) TheBiter: all you do is auto pilot optimization
(6:01:48 AM) TheDon323: Lol Huey
(6:01:52 AM) sibladeko: zero respect for mobas
(6:01:55 AM) sibladeko: here
(6:02:04 AM) sibladeko: let's take the worst part about RTS aka resource mining
(6:02:09 AM) huey253: nah
(6:02:09 AM) sibladeko: and emphasize it
(6:02:15 AM) sibladeko: by making itexp
(6:02:16 AM) huey253: BB scene is team NAH
(6:02:24 AM) huey253: can't fix that
(6:02:29 AM) TheDon323: BB scene so small
(6:02:30 AM) TheBiter: get ahead in resources (gold exp items) and the game is over
(6:02:39 AM) TheDon323: its only the house of pnw
(6:02:41 AM) huey253: i'm not on team NAH
(6:02:42 AM) TheDon323: and socal
(6:02:44 AM) TheDon323: its scattered
(6:02:44 AM) huey253: no
(6:02:51 AM) TheDon323: were the real team NAH
(6:02:51 AM) huey253: socal is worse than norcal
(6:02:53 AM) huey253: NAH wise
(6:02:56 AM) TheDon323: really?
(6:02:57 AM) huey253: like
(6:02:59 AM) TheDon323: lol
(6:02:59 AM) huey253: Norcal
(6:02:59 AM) TheBiter: i hear they even have terms for these thigns now
(6:03:00 AM) huey253: has NCI
(6:03:01 AM) TheBiter: snowball heroes
(6:03:03 AM) TheBiter: snow ball items
(6:03:04 AM) huey253: and people
(6:03:10 AM) TheDon323: welp.
(6:03:14 AM) TheDon323: Even more of a reason
(6:03:23 AM) TheDon323: why we dont support.
(6:03:23 AM) SprtJuice: you don't think it is when you have to learn how to play 90% of the heroes effectively, know how team comps works, know how to counter certain team comps, know how to work with your team effeciently isn't hard at all?
(6:03:25 AM) TheDon323: lol
(6:03:26 AM) SprtJuice: just ezmode
(6:03:28 AM) sibladeko: moba more deterministic than rts too in terms of lame duck endgames.  but rts people are smart enough to GG when they hit failure cascade point.  moba people?  dota2 has no quit button.
(6:03:45 AM) sibladeko: spirit it can require all the skill in the world doesnt' save it from being bad game design
(6:04:00 AM) huey253: GG is hard
(6:04:04 AM) huey253: can't hit my FRC
(6:04:06 AM) SprtJuice: that's not what we're talking about though
(6:04:08 AM) huey253: lol
(6:04:14 AM) huey253: its okay
(6:04:15 AM) SprtJuice: FRCs are hard
(6:04:16 AM) TheBiter: tahts what im talking about scott
(6:04:21 AM) SprtJuice: back to my one frame links in sfiv
(6:04:25 AM) SprtJuice: or two frames cus lol plinking
(6:04:31 AM) huey253: yeah
(6:04:37 AM) huey253: its okay
(6:04:41 AM) huey253: america sucks at GG
(6:04:45 AM) TheBiter: anyawy scott, the heroes are so simple
(6:04:49 AM) TheBiter: you only have 4 moves
(6:04:54 AM) TheBiter: and ally ou need to be able to do is click a mouse
(6:04:57 AM) Sawa: http://www.famitsu.com/news/201105/31044345.html   US release get hype
(6:04:58 AM) huey253: they suck a bit less in BB actually
(6:04:59 AM) IU|TGS: TheDon323 did you get AE yet?
(6:05:07 AM) Sawa: Anime players have a new hope for Evo 2013
(6:05:37 AM) SprtJuice: that's like saying
(6:05:38 AM) TheBiter: besides everything you wrote isnt skill scott
(6:05:39 AM) TheBiter: tis experience
(6:05:44 AM) SprtJuice: ryu only has 3 special moves
(6:05:47 AM) SprtJuice: all you need to do
(6:05:49 AM) SprtJuice: is do them
(6:05:49 AM) huey253: wait
(6:05:55 AM) sibladeko: ryu has a ton of normals
(6:05:55 AM) huey253: but viper
(6:05:59 AM) TheBiter: your skill caps out when you know how to control your hero
(6:06:00 AM) TheDon323: not yet, waiting for my aunt to stop by so I can leave and get it
(6:06:01 AM) huey253: has 3 special moves
(6:06:03 AM) TheDon323: and You All Suck.
(6:06:04 AM) sibladeko: i sort of get the idea spirit except
(6:06:07 AM) huey253: and all you need to do is use them
(6:06:08 AM) sibladeko: 99% of mobas have auto aim
(6:06:11 AM) sibladeko: on 90% of their moves
(6:06:17 AM) huey253: unless i'm wrong?
(6:06:23 AM) sibladeko: like why are manually aimed skills called skillshots
(6:06:32 AM) sibladeko: they actualyl have to name them that because they require you to do something
(6:06:32 AM) TheBiter: haha skill shots
(6:06:36 AM) SprtJuice: not really jeff
(6:06:37 AM) sibladeko: i like blc
(6:06:38 AM) SprtJuice: since you know
(6:06:41 AM) sibladeko: 100% skillshots
(6:06:43 AM) sibladeko: that's how it should be
(6:06:45 AM) SprtJuice: you have to know how to fight other heroes
(6:06:52 AM) SprtJuice: have a lot of minimap awareness
(6:06:55 AM) sibladeko: no crits no random status effects everythign that procs is 100%
(6:06:59 AM) SprtJuice: expect ganks
(6:07:03 AM) SprtJuice: set up correctly
(6:07:03 AM) TheBiter: minimap awareness isnt hero dependent
(6:07:07 AM) TheBiter: its just how the game plays
(6:07:07 AM) sibladeko: minimap awareness is fancy term for saying "we really wanted this to be an RTS"
(6:07:13 AM) TheBiter: and once you build up autopilot habits to check it
(6:07:22 AM) SprtJuice: not really since it's still an important part, sib
(6:07:25 AM) FiOSAllen: "still way the fuck easier than a RTS"
(6:07:27 AM) TheBiter: its really not that mcuh skill involved
(6:07:47 AM) TheBiter: thing is scott you dont realyl think in that game
(6:07:48 AM) sibladeko: i get hella annoyed when people try claiming there's this extra layer of depth just cause of minimap and mining minerals i mean mining creeps i mean whatever the fuck they call resource gathering.  farming?  leveling fast?
(6:08:16 AM) SprtJuice: well then jeff
(6:08:21 AM) SprtJuice: if this was all true
(6:08:38 AM) sibladeko: like ok this game is so much deeper than blc "which is just 100% skillshot deathmatch" because it has a minimap and resource management or something
(6:08:43 AM) SprtJuice: why doesn't someone like noel brown get his friends and go win every moba tournament ever
(6:08:44 AM) sibladeko: i'm unable to take these arguments seriously
(6:08:53 AM) SprtJuice: if it's so easy
(6:08:58 AM) SprtJuice: cus i mean
(6:09:00 AM) SprtJuice: marvel is a joke
(6:09:06 AM) SprtJuice: so why not just go play mobas
(6:09:09 AM) SprtJuice: and kill everyone
(6:09:12 AM) SprtJuice: and get free money
(6:09:13 AM) sibladeko: you're reaching so hard with that strawman
(6:09:15 AM) TheBiter: you know a lot of people dont understand mobas
(6:09:15 AM) sibladeko: it fucking hurts
(6:09:22 AM) sibladeko: spirit why don't you go win smash tourneys for free money
(6:09:23 AM) TheBiter: but that doesnt mean mobas take skill
(6:09:30 AM) sibladeko: ffs
(6:09:34 AM) SprtJuice: i guess so
(6:09:38 AM) TheBiter: im not saying it takes 0 skill
(6:09:38 AM) TheBiter: but
(6:09:44 AM) TheBiter: its not as much skill as you make it out to be
(6:09:54 AM) SprtJuice: but i still think it's pretty outlandish to say the skill cap isn't high
(6:09:57 AM) TheBiter: you cant compensate for your teammates being bad either
(6:10:13 AM) SprtJuice: all team based games are like that
(6:10:25 AM) Sawa: Do you think the skill cap is as high as an RTS or fighting game?
(6:10:32 AM) Sawa: Or anywhere near as high, for that matter?
(6:10:34 AM) TheBiter: nah man, yo u can totalyl pick up the slack
(6:10:35 AM) TheBiter: in a fps
(6:10:35 AM) SprtJuice: you're not gonna 5v1 an entire team in counter strike
(6:10:44 AM) SprtJuice: maybe in some shitty fps
(6:10:45 AM) SprtJuice: like COD
(6:10:45 AM) sibladeko: you're wrong spirit
(6:10:46 AM) TheBiter: except its happened before
(6:10:47 AM) SprtJuice: or battlefield
(6:10:48 AM) TheBiter: even in CS
(6:10:49 AM) sibladeko: that's the thing
(6:10:52 AM) sibladeko: you can fucking win 1v5
(6:10:56 AM) SprtJuice: those moments are extremely rare
(6:10:56 AM) sibladeko: same as you can come back at 1 pixel
(6:10:59 AM) sibladeko: that's the beauty of fps
(6:11:01 AM) TheBiter: ive seen pros win 1v5 in CS
(6:11:01 AM) FiOSAllen: yeah but a single player can pull the slack
(6:11:04 AM) sibladeko: it doesn't matter how rare it is
(6:11:06 AM) FiOSAllen: if your team is having an off day
(6:11:09 AM) FiOSAllen: you're*
(6:11:12 AM) sibladeko: the fact you can do that shit
(6:11:14 AM) SprtJuice: maybe 1v5 when you pick them off one by one
(6:11:17 AM) sibladeko: all you need is one person on fire
(6:11:18 AM) SprtJuice: but in a true team fight?
(6:11:20 AM) SprtJuice: i've never seen that
(6:11:21 AM) FiOSAllen: I mean literally expecting to ace every round is retarded but w/e
(6:11:26 AM) sibladeko: spirit you've seen shit
(6:11:37 AM) FiOSAllen: I've done 1v5 spray down aces
(6:11:38 AM) FiOSAllen: lol
(6:11:39 AM) TheBiter: wtf is this
(6:11:40 AM) TheBiter: true team fight.
(6:11:46 AM) TheBiter: what does that mean
(6:11:51 AM) sibladeko: true team fight obv means every hit hits
(6:11:52 AM) FiOSAllen: but w/e you clearly don't know anything about CS so w/e
(6:11:54 AM) sibladeko: cause you're not actually aiming
(6:11:57 AM) sibladeko: and everythign is fucking auto aimed
(6:11:58 AM) sibladeko: like a moba
(6:12:12 AM) SprtJuice: as in
(6:12:13 AM) Sawa: I'm assuming blc = Bloodline Champions. If so, is it any good? I downloaded it and never played it because I didn't feel like playing moba
(6:12:18 AM) SprtJuice: 1 guy getting fired upon by 5 guys
(6:12:23 AM) Sawa: Super Monday Night Combat is the best moba anyways
(6:12:25 AM) Sawa: f2p too
(6:12:42 AM) TheBiter: see that statement just sounds too weird scott
(6:12:53 AM) SprtJuice: yeah because it doesn't happen in something like CS
(6:12:56 AM) TheBiter: but theres been aces
(6:12:57 AM) TheBiter: even when 5 guys
(6:13:00 AM) TheBiter: rush down 1 guy
(6:13:00 AM) TheBiter: in CS
(6:13:09 AM) FiOSAllen: I've done them
(6:13:14 AM) TheBiter: but generally you dont have 5 guys
(6:13:16 AM) TheBiter: rushing down 1 guy
(6:13:19 AM) SprtJuice: you're not a professional gamer, FiOSAllen
(6:13:19 AM) TheBiter: due tot eh way the game works
(6:13:20 AM) SprtJuice: lol
(6:13:22 AM) FiOSAllen: there's two bomb sites
(6:13:29 AM) FiOSAllen: two separate objectives
(6:13:32 AM) sibladeko: blc is closer to a ftg than a moba lol
(6:13:41 AM) TheBiter: professional gamers have aced 1v5
(6:13:42 AM) Sawa: Do you recommend it?
(6:13:43 AM) TheBiter: when being rushed down scott
(6:13:52 AM) FiOSAllen: SprtJuice: I was a competitive CS:S player for years
(6:13:52 AM) FiOSAllen: lol
(6:13:53 AM) sibladeko: ex skills meter management no exp farming or w/e no creeps just deathmatch and everything is manually aimed including heals
(6:13:54 AM) sibladeko: i recommend it
(6:14:04 AM) SprtJuice: that doesn't mean you were pro :3c
(6:14:09 AM) Sawa: I will try it out then
(6:14:14 AM) FiOSAllen: doesn't mean I don't have a decent understanding of the game
(6:14:24 AM) sibladeko: spirit i like rayza over you in mobas.
(6:14:26 AM) SprtJuice: doesn't mean i don't either
(6:14:32 AM) FiOSAllen: fuck mobas
(6:14:34 AM) sibladeko: ^
(6:14:37 AM) FiOSAllen: rather cut my dick off than deal with that shit again
(6:15:39 AM) TheBiter: sigh
(6:15:41 AM) sibladeko: the headshot exists for a reason
(6:15:46 AM) sibladeko: it's not a "COD thing"
(6:15:54 AM) DigiLapto: i wish headshots mattered in COD
(6:16:08 AM) DigiLapto: like CS
(6:16:13 AM) FiOSAllen: I wish people wouldn't play watered down garbage like CoD
(6:16:25 AM) DigiLapto: yeah cod is pretty shitty as far as fps goes
(6:16:25 AM) SprtJuice: FPS scene is like the FGC scene now
(6:16:32 AM) SprtJuice: playing shitty scrub friendly games
(6:16:47 AM) TheBiter: you know whats a shitty game?
(6:16:48 AM) TheBiter: dota
(6:16:49 AM) Sawa: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuSo19RiH-A    bestps
(6:16:50 AM) sibladeko: yet you defend mobas
(6:16:51 AM) FiOSAllen: no cause you can't view fps scene as one big scene
(6:16:56 AM) FiOSAllen: not how it works
(6:16:59 AM) FiOSAllen: they're not really interlinked
(6:17:02 AM) sibladeko: and fps scene is large enough that their games work independently of each other
(6:17:04 AM) FiOSAllen: cs scene seperate from halo seperate from quake
(6:17:06 AM) sibladeko: fgs not so much
(6:17:24 AM) SprtJuice: i think that's a bit of a stretch, but okay
(6:17:36 AM) FiOSAllen: It really isn't
(6:17:38 AM) sibladeko: it's not
(6:17:54 AM) sibladeko: europe, china
(6:18:05 AM) SprtJuice: you're saying this fps isn't really like this fps, even though it's an fps
(6:18:19 AM) sibladeko: no we're saying that fps is so large that the communities have long divergered
(6:18:20 AM) FiOSAllen: Are you trying to say the opposite?
(6:18:21 AM) sibladeko: you tard
(6:18:34 AM) FiOSAllen: cause Quake and CS play nothing alike
(6:18:39 AM) SprtJuice: an fps is still an fps
(6:18:39 AM) TheBiter: ^
(6:18:43 AM) TheBiter: my timing
(6:18:43 AM) TheBiter: was off
(6:18:48 AM) FiOSAllen: my head hurts
(6:18:50 AM) TheBiter: you cant say that scott
(6:18:57 AM) TheBiter: every fps plays differently
(6:19:09 AM) SprtJuice: so super turbo and guilty gear
(6:19:14 AM) SprtJuice: play vastly different
(6:19:17 AM) KF: you don't compare halo to CS
(6:19:18 AM) esdf: .. lol
(6:19:24 AM) esdf: pz john wants to sponsor me
(6:19:25 AM) KF: and consider it fps to fps
(6:19:25 AM) esdf: for final round
(6:19:27 AM) esdf: ...
(6:19:30 AM) KF: just sayin
(6:19:41 AM) TheDon323: PZ spy esdf.
(6:19:42 AM) TheDon323: lol.
(6:19:44 AM) sibladeko: spirit the differences are closer to basketball and baseball if i wanted to use sports analogies
(6:19:52 AM) Sawa: The difference between Quake and CS is vastly larger than the difference between SF4 and Smash bros
(6:19:59 AM) sibladeko: spirit how about, guitly gear and smash
(6:20:09 AM) sibladeko: make more sense to your pedantic brain?
(6:20:35 AM) SprtJuice: smash doesn't even have mechanics of a traditional fighting game
(6:20:39 AM) KF: pedantic.
(6:20:56 AM) KF: try telling that to the smashers
(6:21:05 AM) KF: we have a topic up on DL about it
(6:21:10 AM) SprtJuice: smash wasn't even intended to be a fighting game period
(6:21:14 AM) SprtJuice: it's not even a fighting game
(6:21:22 AM) SprtJuice: CS and Quake are still FPS
(6:21:27 AM) TheBiter: the onyl similarities that cs and quake have is that
(6:21:29 AM) SprtJuice: despite one being a team based "tactical" shooter
(6:21:30 AM) TheBiter: they both ahve guns
(6:21:33 AM) TheBiter: you see in first person
(6:21:34 AM) SprtJuice: while the other an arena based shooter
(6:21:35 AM) TheBiter: and you can move
(6:22:05 AM) sibladeko: game made for 5v5 same as game made for 1v1
(6:22:05 AM) SprtJuice: ST to GG comparison still makes more sense, IMO
(6:22:13 AM) SprtJuice: cus the basics are still there
(6:22:19 AM) SprtJuice: but they play completely different
(6:22:21 AM) sibladeko: what happened to all your garbage arguments about teams spirit
(6:22:23 AM) TheBiter: not really scott
(6:22:26 AM) sibladeko: spirit the basics aren't there
(6:22:28 AM) sibladeko: besides piont and click
(6:22:31 AM) TheBiter: your fundamentals for cs arent eh same as quake
(6:22:34 AM) sibladeko: ^
(6:22:47 AM) sibladeko: you're comparing a team game to a 1v1 game after spouting your bullshit about team games
(6:22:51 AM) sibladeko: adn telling us it's the same cause it's fps
(6:22:57 AM) sibladeko: and that the communities probably hang out cause it's fps
(6:23:00 AM) sibladeko: it's not really like that
(6:23:09 AM) SprtJuice: now you're putting fucking words in my mouth
(6:23:17 AM) sibladeko: no you just keep making terrible fucking strawmans
(6:23:20 AM) sibladeko: so allow me some
(6:23:21 AM) SprtJuice: no i'm not
(6:23:23 AM) KF: fucking words.
(6:23:32 AM) sibladeko: time warp
(6:23:37 AM) sibladeko: want me to list them?
(6:24:00 AM) SprtJuice: my statement about team games was completely irrelevant to how we're comparing different FPSs to each other
(6:24:14 AM) sibladeko: team game fps to a 1v1 fps
(6:24:18 AM) sibladeko: ok so you say it doesn't apply then?
(6:24:25 AM) sibladeko: because the genre is stronger than the dynamic?
(6:24:38 AM) SprtJuice: maybe i didnt specify enough
(6:25:51 AM) SprtJuice: i don't even know where you're going with this anymore because you seem to be implying what i had previously said about team games (having to work well with your team) has something to do with the differences between CS and Quake
(6:26:00 AM) SprtJuice: despite CS and Quake still being FPS
(6:26:51 AM) SprtJuice: even though we can be really nitpicky and start throwing out subgenres to say they're not FPS
(6:27:32 AM) sibladeko: I'm going to go play gundam vs gundam 1v1 then
(6:27:59 AM) SprtJuice: i realize they are played different, but that doesn't detract them from being FPS
(6:28:00 AM) sibladeko: cause if you can't see a fundamental difference between what a 1vs1 game is and what a teamvsteam game is regardless of genre then I don't think we can move anywhere
(6:28:16 AM) SprtJuice: i know there are fundamental differences
(6:28:25 AM) sibladeko: would you say their fundamentals are different then?
(6:28:25 AM) SprtJuice: but you're arguing that they're not FPS
(6:28:33 AM) FiOSAllen: uh
(6:28:35 AM) FiOSAllen: we weren't
(6:28:37 AM) FiOSAllen: ever saying t hat
(6:28:42 AM) SprtJuice: there are some fundamental differences yes
(6:28:56 AM) sibladeko: pretty sure i said their communities are different and they don't fall under the same umbrella and it's not like comparing ST and guilty gear
(6:28:59 AM) FiOSAllen: I just took offense to you lump summing fps together
(6:29:22 AM) TheBiter: they are fps's in teh since that, you see in first person, have a gun, and can move
(6:29:53 AM) TheBiter: but yea they were just talking about
(6:29:54 AM) TheBiter: communities
(6:29:59 AM) TheBiter: and how you shouldnt group them together
(6:30:03 AM) sibladeko: this.  if you think that's similaritise on the same level as say okizeme and reversals and hard knockdowns and teching and special moves and 1vs1 lifebars so be it
(6:31:28 AM) SprtJuice: there are general fundamentals that do carry over
(6:31:32 AM) SprtJuice: in all FPS
(6:31:40 AM) TheBiter: uhhh
(6:31:42 AM) SprtJuice: such as map control/positional control
(6:31:51 AM) SprtJuice: er positioning
(6:32:12 AM) SprtJuice: to a lesser degree, resource management depending on the game
(6:32:21 AM) KF: not in
(6:32:23 AM) KF: halo
(6:32:25 AM) KF: （　´∀｀）
(6:32:28 AM) FiOSAllen: lol
(6:32:29 AM) SprtJuice: in this specific case
(6:32:32 AM) SprtJuice: CS money system
(6:32:34 AM) FiOSAllen: Halo is jokes
(6:32:36 AM) SprtJuice: versus
(6:32:51 AM) SprtJuice: denying your opponent items/pick ups in quake
(6:33:08 AM) sibladeko: are these endemic to FPS alone?
(6:33:09 AM) TheBiter: i mean on a very shallow level thats true scott, but how you control maps in quake compared to how you control maps in CS is pretty different
(6:33:10 AM) SprtJuice: i think everyone can agree halo is jokes :|
(6:33:30 AM) Zabel: What makes Halo so bad
(6:33:32 AM) sibladeko: halo is power weapon resource control because i don't know if it's still true but only one sniper rifle spawns at a time
(6:33:33 AM) Zabel: Competetivley
(6:33:35 AM) sibladeko: on a timer
(6:33:35 AM) KF: self-proclaimed FPS
(6:33:36 AM) TheBiter: liek they arent even the same thought process
(6:33:43 AM) KF: woooooooooooo
(6:33:52 AM) sibladeko: once it's picked up it doesnt' respawn until it's dropped iirc
(6:34:01 AM) KF: i thought halo was more
(6:34:09 AM) KF: how long can you hold the right trigger down before you die
(6:34:36 AM) sibladeko: spirit resource control is a really weak trait to attribute to FPS though
(6:34:45 AM) SprtJuice: i guess?  but at the same time i could say how you control space in ST compared to GG is pretty different too
(6:34:54 AM) SprtJuice: due to game mechanics
(6:35:43 AM) Sawa: Jesus fuck, is this argument still going? Now you're all just arguing for the sake of arguing
(6:35:51 AM) Sawa: This started soemwhere in mobas
(6:35:57 AM) SprtJuice: halo is competitive because a lot of college frat boys thought it was fun to play with their friends and drink beer
(6:35:57 AM) Sawa: and now it's st vs GG and halo sniper rifles
(6:36:11 AM) SprtJuice: it's the same reason why marvel 3 is competitive
(6:36:12 AM) TheBiter: theres more similarities in fighting games than fps but
(6:36:15 AM) esdf: we gonna talk about quake next?
(6:36:23 AM) TheBiter: we were talking about how you shouldnt lump fps communities together
(6:36:57 AM) KF: wouldn't using the FGCs as an example be a good enough argument already?
(6:36:57 AM) SprtJuice: i guess so
(6:37:22 AM) SprtJuice: seems like the SF scene and air dash scenes are pretty different
(6:37:30 AM) SprtJuice: but are lumped into FGs anyways
(6:37:44 AM) SprtJuice: but i guess
(6:37:45 AM) TheBiter: thats cause the community is too small
(6:37:53 AM) TheBiter: which is what they said earlier that the fps community is so large that
(6:37:59 AM) TheBiter: the separate games arent related to each otehr
(6:38:13 AM) IU|TGS: airdash fighters are a niche of a niche
(6:38:35 AM) KF: on another note
(6:38:39 AM) KF: i liked donkey kong 64
(6:38:54 AM) SprtJuice: i gues
(6:38:55 AM) SprtJuice: guess
(6:39:08 AM) SprtJuice: but imo you're kind of nit picking at a certain point
(6:39:27 AM) FiOSAllen: so back to what matters
(6:39:29 AM) FiOSAllen: moba sucks dick
(6:39:33 AM) FiOSAllen: and you can eat a dick for liking them
(6:39:35 AM) SprtJuice: you suck dick
(6:39:42 AM) SprtJuice: for thinking that
(6:39:44 AM) SprtJuice: so there we go
(6:39:48 AM) SprtJuice: never ending journey
(6:40:24 AM) KF: never ending journey to care bear land
(6:40:34 AM) SprtJuice: riding big black rocket cocks
(6:40:56 AM) SprtJuice: showering the world with rainbow colored sperm that tastes like candy
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(6:41:19 AM) TheBiter: anyway the analogy for fps you were looking for
(6:41:23 AM) TheBiter: so closer to
(6:41:27 AM) TheBiter: fighting games and beat em ups
(6:41:29 AM) TheBiter: imo
(6:41:39 AM) SprtJuice: i think that's a big stretch
(6:41:40 AM) SprtJuice: imo
(6:41:50 AM) TheBiter: its fundamentalyl the same
(6:41:50 AM) SprtJuice: but i can see how you would think that
(6:41:52 AM) TheBiter: you control a character
(6:41:59 AM) TheBiter: can attack
(6:42:04 AM) TheBiter: only thing is you dont fight each other in a beat em up
(6:42:16 AM) SprtJuice: that is a pretty big difference, imo
(6:42:32 AM) SprtJuice: cus you're not even doing anything competitive in beat em ups
(6:42:36 AM) TheBiter: thats why its a good analogy
(6:42:37 AM) SprtJuice: unless you wanna 1v1 score attack
(6:42:39 AM) TheBiter: ITS DIFFERENT.
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(6:42:54 AM) SprtJuice: run coward