Melon - Today at 9:13 PM
Junction broke me in the first engagement
Because I went to look at his armour as my character could see it with his shenanigan eyes
And he didn't even mention what it was made of
So I was like 'hey ho shit armour gunna explode you'
Suddenly he's saying its tungsten, and he only mentions that in a completely different section
Feels bad man
If I'd known I'd have just used a bodkin
and ended this already
Decoy - Today at 9:15 PM
True
Melon - Today at 9:15 PM
I can't really fault him because I did the same thing with demon acid
But w/e
Doll Maker. - Today at 9:17 PM
Yep. You are still a good distance away though so no real loss. Just lock and reload.
Mobius - Today at 9:19 PM

If I'd known I'd have just used a bodkin
and ended this already

huh metagame?
hello metagame?
Doll Maker. - Today at 9:19 PM
lol
Melon - Today at 9:22 PM
Magic eyes?
I'd have been able to see if he was wearing thick af armour
Hence why I went to look at what armour he was wearing
Kiyomi - Today at 9:22 PM
Magic eyes that run on magic acid
Melon - Today at 9:22 PM
to decide if I should use an -armour piercing- arrow
Kiyomi - Today at 9:22 PM
But yeah just shoot Moar Arrows melon
If you can beat a house cat you can beat anything
Doll Maker. - Today at 9:23 PM
It's more or less the type of arrow you would have used.(edited)
Melon - Today at 9:23 PM
That's what I tell myself
Doll Maker. - Today at 9:23 PM
You were aware that he wore armor, but you specified the bodkin.
Melon - Today at 9:24 PM
I used a shatterhead because my character didn't see any substantial armour
So it's a surer bet
But unfortunately I should have seen pretty substantial armour
as he is apparently wearing a tungsten suit
Doll Maker. - Today at 9:25 PM
Well, Junction specified he's wearing large armor.
Melon - Today at 9:25 PM
' Ironically in his adventures on Academy Island before his accident, Retaliation discovered that the best way to make really hot flames was to cool yourself as much as possible.  To this end he designed, tested, and constructed a personalized suit of combat armor designed to keep his body as cool as possible.  The Cryogenic Combat Suit serves a vital function for Retaliation's powers as without it he would simply keep heating up until his body was enveloped in a super heated plasma cloud he could only barely control.'
That's the armour description
Nothing in that really told me he was wearing heavy armour
It told me he was wearing a personalised combat suit designed to keep him cool
But he did state it was made of tungsten, just in a different section
Doll Maker. - Today at 9:26 PM
You shouldn't be doing that in the first place. You are aware of that, yeah?
Melon - Today at 9:26 PM
Which would have totally changed how I, and my character, saw what he was wearing
Doing what?
Doll Maker. - Today at 9:26 PM
Studying a character sheet and basing your attacks on it before even meeting said character.
Melon - Today at 9:27 PM
I had met the character
I looked at the sheet to see what he was wearing because my character could see him
Mobius - Today at 9:27 PM

Melon - Today at 9:13 PM
Junction broke me in the first engagement
Because I went to look at his armour as my character could see it with his shenanigan eyes
And he didn't even mention what it was made of
So I was like 'hey ho shit armour gunna explode you'
Suddenly he's saying its tungsten, and he only mentions that in a completely different section
Feels bad man
If I'd known I'd have just used a bodkin
and ended this already

(edited)
It's this line of deduction
is why I said metagame
not the power you would have used
Melon - Today at 9:28 PM
It's funny
Because I said ages ago that my character's eyes are a form of legalised metagaming
and you all disagreed
Mobius - Today at 9:28 PM
yeah and you wrote it worst then
Melon - Today at 9:28 PM
This is how being able to see with telescopic clarity is a powerful ability
Mobius - Today at 9:28 PM
No
You described it as something different
Melon - Today at 9:28 PM
You can see exactly what someone is wearing and plan your attack accordingly
Or at least you can when you read it properly
Mobius - Today at 9:28 PM
I recall this from Lest arguing with you
So unless you want me to dig real deep in the backlogs
Doll Maker. - Today at 9:29 PM
You are basing the arrow you would have used on that. It's also a specific type of arrow.  And we don't do legalized metagaming here so.
Melon - Today at 9:29 PM
What?
Mobius - Today at 9:30 PM
man gonna take awhile
Melon - Today at 9:30 PM
I think the decision to use an armour piercing arrow probably would be based off if my opponent is wearing hard af armour
Mobius - Today at 9:30 PM
yeah but none of that was mentioned during that reasoning nor did you do that
You just told us
"had his armor section said the metal type"(edited)
Doll Maker. - Today at 9:30 PM
You are basing the arrow you would have used on information you wouldn't have had.
Mobius - Today at 9:30 PM
like come on guy
Doll Maker. - Today at 9:31 PM
We don't allow you to metagame here.
Melon - Today at 9:31 PM
I meant more in regards to just stating if his armour was of military level
Though I suspect you could realistically discern the nature of a type of armour by eyesight alone
Provided you had telescopic vision
Mobius - Today at 9:31 PM
I recall the vision seeing into the soul of the enemy
Melon - Today at 9:31 PM
Not anymore
Mobius - Today at 9:31 PM
yeah
Melon - Today at 9:31 PM
But it can see through cover
So presumably I can discern the thickness of the armour
Mobius - Today at 9:31 PM
How?
Melon - Today at 9:32 PM
Looking at it
Mobius - Today at 9:32 PM
rofl
Melon - Today at 9:32 PM
With magic eyes, I imagine
Or rather, judging body proportions
Mobius - Today at 9:32 PM
what if it was just really thick plastic?
Melon - Today at 9:32 PM
I can see my opponent's entire body, and can estimate the thickness of their armour based off those biological cues
Mobius - Today at 9:32 PM
how would you know?
Melon - Today at 9:32 PM
My character probably hasn't encountered someone wearing thick plastic
Mobius - Today at 9:32 PM
Lol
Melon - Today at 9:32 PM
So he'd have assumed it was armour and used an armour piercing arrow anyway
Mobius - Today at 9:32 PM
your character was from a whole different era compared to everyone rofl
Melon - Today at 9:33 PM
Yes, but he is familiar with modern equipment
r-o-c-k-t-r-o-n-i-c - Today at 9:33 PM
:popcorn:
Melon - Today at 9:33 PM
He's been alive for a long time
Doll Maker. - Today at 9:33 PM
You are reaching, Melon.  You don't mention being able to tell the differences between types of armor in your sheet.
Melon - Today at 9:33 PM
'and has a rudimentary understanding of most forms of technology as well'
I have a rudimentary understanding of modern technology
Doll Maker. - Today at 9:33 PM
So we have no reason to belive you could know.
Melon - Today at 9:33 PM
and I could tell if a guy was wearing good armour or not
Especially if I could see it as if I was standing an inch away from it
Doll Maker. - Today at 9:34 PM
ru·di·men·ta·ry
ˌro͞odəˈment(ə)rē/
adjective
adjective: rudimentary

    involving or limited to basic principles.
Melon - Today at 9:34 PM
Yar, guy wearing thick metal, probably good armour
pretty basic tbh
Doll Maker. - Today at 9:34 PM
So I could have an understanding of a remote, but I wouldn't know the types of plastic used for it, etc.
Mobius - Today at 9:34 PM
I am so glad I don't work tomorrow
Melon - Today at 9:34 PM
I don't really need to know the exact chemical composition
Just if it's reasonably good armour
Or what my character would perceive as good armour
Doll Maker. - Today at 9:35 PM
Not all bulky armor has teh same density or makeup.
Melon - Today at 9:35 PM
I was under the impression Junction was wearing some sort of tight supersuit that kept him cool based off his description of his armour
Hence my character would have no idea he was even wearing armour
But obviously you can't really wear Tungsten like that, so it would be more obviously plated
Or w/e his armour composition is, I still don't actually know
Mobius - Today at 9:36 PM
This sounds more reasonable than what you said earlier
"i looked at the sheet"
Melon - Today at 9:36 PM
:sob:
Yeah, I looked at the sheet because he didn't really describe his armour comp to me
IC
Nor has he really described his frost freeze plasma attack thing
Doll Maker. - Today at 9:37 PM

encased by the helmet of his cryogenic combat armor.

 As opposed to the fact that he states he's wearing combat armor in his apperance?
Melon - Today at 9:38 PM
Well, I didn't try to shoot him in the head
So I wasn't really looking at his face
Doll Maker. - Today at 9:38 PM
Cryogenic combat armor implies it's not just his head, bruh.
Melon - Today at 9:38 PM
Yes, but combat armour can mean anything really
Especially with a sci-fi character
Doll Maker. - Today at 9:39 PM

Appeaance: Tall but possessed of a lithe build. Athletically fit with long limbs. Face is a bit squarish with pronounced cheekbones underlining a pair of striking blue eyes. His hair is a very dirty blonde color that is usually encased by the helmet of his cryogenic combat armor.

The cryogenic combat armor itself is large and bulky,

Melon - Today at 9:39 PM
I had to use cues my character would actually understand or recognise
If he was wearing a skin-tight super armour that looks nothing like armour, I'd have still used the shatterhead
Doll Maker. - Today at 9:39 PM
It literarly says in teh second paragraph it's large and bulky.
Melon - Today at 9:39 PM
Foolishly I didn't look at the appearance section
I'm not used to people putting their armour in the appearance section
As it's considered equipment, rather than an intrinsic part of a character's physical appearance
Not to mention there was an actual armour section
So I sort of expected relevant information to be there
Doll Maker. - Today at 9:40 PM
Well, the armor would be part of his apperance.
Mobius - Today at 9:40 PM
>reading profile sheet for ic justification
>not metagame
Well it's a good thing the profile was all fucked up
honestly if I didn't want to run this legit and give you guys the appearance of being 100 percent unbias
I would hide profile sheets
Melon - Today at 9:41 PM
I wouldn't have a fucking clue what my character could see if you had
Mobius - Today at 9:41 PM
I would love to see how broken most strats are when not taking notes of their opponents
like
Doll Maker. - Today at 9:42 PM
Melon, this is what it looks like to me. You fucked up with the wrong arrow because you were gonna use his sheet to see, which one to use.
Mobius - Today at 9:42 PM
I would love to do a hidden sheet tournament
but I won't
cause if I did
I'd get screamed at for all sorts of reasons(edited)
It'd be a lot worst
Melon - Today at 9:42 PM
I fucked up because I imagined his armour different to what it actually looked like
And so my character used the wrong arrow
Mobius - Today at 9:42 PM
Nope
rofl
Well yeah that's how metagame works(edited)
如月 涼子 - Today at 9:42 PM
No sheet tournament would be nice
Mobius - Today at 9:43 PM
Well hidden sheet
如月 涼子 - Today at 9:43 PM
Why do you think people won't like it?
Mobius - Today at 9:43 PM
cause if I nerf something
Melon - Today at 9:43 PM
Also I failed because he did actually describe his armour being bulky IC
Mobius - Today at 9:43 PM
someone will want to know if I nerf something else
Melon - Today at 9:43 PM
And I missed it
But w/e
Mobius - Today at 9:43 PM
that they'd think needed nerfing
or accuse me of gaming the system
by giving profiles to "certain" players
and without proof
I can't argue otherwise
Doll Maker. - Today at 9:43 PM

 Melon - Today at 6:43 PM
Also I failed because he did actually describe his armour being bulky IC

 He descrobed it in his apperance too.
Mobius - Today at 9:43 PM
See with open sheets at least people can see our incompetence at times
and we can correct it
like with Darth and the fire guy
or DLL
So with open sheets we can prove our end
Melon - Today at 9:45 PM
If you do closed sheets you have to watch every fight like a hawk
Because no one knows what their opponents can do
There's no way to self moderate
如月 涼子 - Today at 9:45 PM
I see
Hidden sheets would be interesting though
Mobius - Today at 9:46 PM
with open sheets I can just blast accusations with open facts everyone can see
It would
Melon - Today at 9:46 PM
Not that I have any fucking idea what my opponent can do anyawy
如月 涼子 - Today at 9:46 PM
Because people would now have to play cautious
Melon - Today at 9:46 PM
Yeah, for one fight
Unless you plan to make fights hidden as well
如月 涼子 - Today at 9:46 PM
Like imagine if no one knew about Mitsu's electric field
And they just run upt him
up*
Mobius - Today at 9:46 PM
Lol
Melon - Today at 9:46 PM
I suppose it'd add an interesting layer of strategy to hide your abilities until later rounds