21:41:21] <Goldsmith> I have some questions about your views. Explain your metaphysical perspective to me. I have an open mind, so while I dont believe that perspective or put my eggs in that basket per say, it is nice to know anyway in order to level with you or 'speak your language'. Also, if I ever run into a problem that cant be solved with my own methods, knowing yours might be a useful.
[21:41:55] <Forge|> its much easier if you ask questions and i answer them
[21:42:22] <Goldsmith> well, I litterally know nothing. Give me a general overview so I have something to ask.
[21:42:33] <Goldsmith> or a random fact
[21:42:41] <Goldsmith> or something to work with.
[21:43:21] <Goldsmith> I dont want to assume that metaphysical perspective is just 'its magic, I aint got to explain shit' which is pretty much my current knowlege of the perspective.
[21:43:23] <Forge|> okay. what you guys are doing in chat is a metaphysical practice boiled down into a scientific mental disorder.
[21:44:51] <Goldsmith> ok, so what are the key ways the metaphysical practice differs from the scientific mental disorder.
[21:46:08] <Forge|> tulpa arent attached to the mind unless you make them
[21:46:59] <Forge|> and they can practice energy manipulation, and other things related to the such
[21:47:16] <Goldsmith> I see. So is this the only key difference really? That what we consider 'thought forms'  aren't attached to the mind?
[21:47:56] <Forge|> nope
[21:48:01] <Forge|> they are because you made them such
[21:48:05] <Forge|> but they dont /have/ to be
[21:49:43] <Goldsmith> I see. My current position disagrees with what I understand of both camps really, although I lean a bit more towards the psychological camp, I don't think the metaphysical approach is wrong. I think the truth is somewhere in the middle. I don't believe I have any right to discount any experiences you may have had, but I certainly think it is possible to explain it from a real world perspective, on
[21:50:09] <Goldsmith> the basis that there are some things we are unaware of about our minds, and possibly some discovery about the soul is to be made.
[21:50:47] <Forge|> so what you are saying is that metaphysics is impossible and explainable in some way until breakthroughs are made that say they are possible and accepted as fact?
[21:50:51] <Forge|> just saying
[21:51:05] <Forge|> your views rather disgust me
[21:51:39] <Goldsmith> nope, the opposite in fact. I am saying that it is totally possible and explainable in many ways.
[21:52:00] <Forge|> okay
[21:53:54] <Goldsmith> I want to find the one way that is the truth, I guess. For example, you could explain it your way. Scientists could explain it by saying you are deluded and crazy. Psychologists might say its something pathological and you actually see stuff, but its not real. I would say that astral projection is possibly some form of ESP or telepathy that connects the minds, imaginations, and wonderlands togethe
[21:53:54] <Goldsmith> r
[21:55:14] <Goldsmith> But, I dont like placing judgement in situations like this. I am more curious than anything. I want to find out what it actually is. It is probably something different from what everyone thinks, me and you included. But I want to learn what you know and believe regardless, because I think it will help me reach the truth.
[21:56:24] <Forge|> to be honest im not in the mood to talk to you about this, and how you put yourself out there i probably never will be.
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