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<compuboks> Hey, did Hak5 ever do a DIY home surveillance episode?
<computerchris> hmm, I actually don't think so
<compuboks> I'd like to build one on the cheap, with internal DVR and email on motion services
<compuboks> Something linux based
<compuboks> Just haven't done the research yet
<computerchris> well in it's most basic form there is a package called motion
<computerchris> I like blue iris but it's not free or linux
<compuboks> If there's some sort of paid setup that works I'd go for it
<compuboks> I have load of old hardware to run the thing
<computerchris> ah ha!
<computerchris> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLjVXn9UgN8
<computerchris> I have only been watching since 2010
<compuboks> Aha, thank you
<klem> http://www.amazon.com/Newest-Super-Network-Video-Recorder/dp/B00KO89A86/ref=sr_1_14?ie=UTF8&qid=1441495890&sr=8-14&keywords=escam
<klem> http://www.amazon.com/Escam-Security-Camera-Waterproof-Surveillance/dp/B00L7JYMNY/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1441495917&sr=8-3&keywords=escam
<compuboks> Do you use that setup?
<compuboks> It looks promising
<klem> yeah I do, I also work for a company that does professioal systems
<compuboks> So DVR to USB storage is workable on that platform?
<klem> with ONVIF (Open Netowk Video Interchange Forum (like JPG for surveillance)) the camera is responsible for motion detection.  I'm only running 2 cameras.  As you add more you'd want to go to ESATA
<compuboks> Okay.  Generally seems stable?  Any issues?
<klem> anyways, these cameras' motion detection kind of sucks, and the NVR doesn't seem to act on it very often.
<klem> I don't have it doing e-mail though just beeping, but the NVR only beeps a couple of times a week
<compuboks> You said you do higher end, any recomendations on that front?
<compuboks> (probably out of my price range)
<klem> However I also work on systems where each camera is $500+ and they aren't good at motion detection either.....ass for the email thing I'd have to dig into it to know how reliable it is
<compuboks> Yeah, fair enough, I'm sure it can be iffy
<klem> do you have a regular home alarm system?
<compuboks> Negative
<compuboks> This would be a new install
<compuboks> More for personal rights protection.
<klem> well start with that.  traditional alarm systems have been dealing with nuisance alarms for years and have pretty good false positive rejection.
<compuboks> Have a landlosd and an HOA with keys
<compuboks> Want to know when someone drops by
<compuboks> I can't really do down the tradititional alarm road
<compuboks> Condo, renter
<klem> you can get a Z-Wave or Zigbee door lock that will e-mail you every time the door is opened
<compuboks> Need something low impact
<compuboks> That's a start
<klem> Or, you could use a raspberry pi and a z-wave door contact to email you.
<compuboks> Have you seen any security issues whti those Schlage electrinic locks?
<klem> Aeon labs USB Z-Wave stick is 44.95 on amazon, works with OpenHAB which runs on a Raspbery Pi.  the door contacts are $15.00 at Lowes
<compuboks> I know a bump key and pretty much fuck anything
<compuboks> and = can
<klem> I work in security professionally, I have issues with anything that will open a lock from outside the home, including traditional keys
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<compuboks> I work in Poperty Management professionally, specifically condos in a resort community.  I have access to keys for over 200 properties
<klem> anything that can unlock a lock without your physical presence on site, or that can be duplicated without your knowledge is a bad idea.  That said if you've ever been to the Lockpick Village at any hacker con you know that physical keys are about useless, so each option is more like comparing the size of the gaping hole in your security, not whiat is secure and what isn't.
<compuboks> I have one building with Kantech based access control
<compuboks> yet have multiple keys that can bypass it
<compuboks> Pretty much why I want a video solution
<compuboks> because I trust noone and no locks ever
<klem> yeah, I work with a couple different Kanteck systems, Millennium being one of them.  its almost pure shit, and if you can bypass it, it was a poorly designed install to boot.
<compuboks> The user interface for the Kantech 300 system I maintain is a fucking joke
<compuboks> I've reset all the default passwords and tried to lock down remote access
<compuboks> but there are still multiple ways to bypass it
<compuboks> It annoys me
<klem> well, for a single camera, I suggest either dropcam, because its backed-up off site and fairly high quallity (thought the NVR I posted is also capable of cloud backup) or regular hunter's trail cams, which come with a surprising amount of features and can be moved from property to property in the case of vacancies and such
<compuboks> Trail cams were one thing I did not think about
<compuboks> You feel dropcam is a fairly secure solution?
<klem> some of them will email you when they snap a picture
<compuboks> I'd really like something local, but Dropcam may make more sense.
<compuboks> I've thought about on in the past
<klem> well anything where you use the cloud is more secure against theft, not because they won't steal it, they will, but you'll still have video
<compuboks> Fair point
<compuboks> And If I'm more concerned about home intrusion generally, that may be the better way
<compuboks> Verses, you know...other intrusions
<klem> but like I said that $50 NVR I pointed out also has cloud storage....though I didn't play with it.  If check YOUTUBE there are lots of instances where people catch theives in their homes useing dropcam
<computerchris> So how does one get into the house?
<compuboks> Could be pultiple ways.
<computerchris> err, I didn't have my chat client scrolled down all the way
<klem> usually kick down the door (if its even locked) or throw something through the sliding glass door in back
<compuboks> Front door, two sliders, a bedroom window
<compuboks> Main penetration points
<computerchris> quick question, can I go down to like ace hardware and get a copy of my dorm key it says "keymark by madeco" on it"
<klem> There is also a couple of different stand alone systems out there where its a camera and a motion detector with WiFi that will email you on alarm, then you can connect and have 2 way audio
<computerchris> does not say do not duplicate
<computerchris> but idk if they would have the blanks for that at
<computerchris> or like if their machines can even cut one
<computerchris> I'd like to make a copy and keep it hidden somewhere in my car just in case
<klem> probably can't, more than likely its a custom keyway, which means the grooves on the side as spaced in such a way that only Medco can sell them and they won't sell to anyone who isn't a registered dealer and those registered dealers only sell to their lockset customers
<compuboks> Medeco is supposed to be a high security key that requires magstrip cards and authorized locksmights to duplicate
<klem> does one of the sides have a machined area where the grooves change width?
<compuboks> Our local Fire Department used their locks
<compuboks> for access vaults on private property
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<compuboks> difficult to pick and duplicate
<computerchris> does not appear to have a sidebar like primus keys do
<compuboks> not impossiblew
<klem> the vaults are called Knox Boxes, and yeah those are special lock boxes that contain the keys to each commercial building the box is located on
<computerchris> on second look, there is something at the back near the sholder
<compuboks> Check out Bosnianbill's youtube for more info on Medeco
<compuboks> They're difficult to cut but not impossible to pick
<computerchris> they have a weird keyway shape
<klem> yeah, you'd be better off 'loosing' that key and getting a replacement from the school instead of trying to get that duplicated,  however they might just change the lock and charge you for a new key for yourself and one for your roommate(s)
<computerchris> I'm in a single
<klem> lucky you
<Foxtrot> forever alone
<computerchris> and I think its like $250 if you lose the key
<computerchris> let me check
<compuboks> I know we get them reproduced for less than that
<compuboks> for a Pool that uses Medeco
<compuboks> More of a punitive charge
<computerchris> so I am looking at finding  a shade tree locksmith>
<computerchris> ?
<compuboks> It's supposed to be a secure system
<compuboks> I doubt a "shadetree" locksmith would do it
<compuboks> unless they want to wind up in jail
<compuboks> But I may be wrong
<klem> My daughter had a room to herself for a while at college, her assigned roommate got into an accident on the "Meet and Greet" day.  They actually made her move into another room and left her original room empty as opposed to letting her have a single for the price of a double.
<computerchris> well there is always shapeways, a caliper, and 3 or 4 rebisions
<computerchris> someone else probably didn't show
<computerchris> I actually got  a working 3D printed primus key
<klem> She ended up being great friends with the girl she moved in with, but it still would've been nice to let fate have her keep the room
<klem> ABS plastic printed key??
<compuboks> I( honestly don't know what is truly secure anymore
<compuboks> In the physical property sense
<computerchris> yep, I had to be careful with it
<computerchris> but it did work
<computerchris> there is a mit software you can use
<compuboks> Doesn't surprise me
<computerchris> just need to scan both sides of it
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<compuboks> Did you have a copy of the original to copy from?
<klem> http://www.ebay.com/itm/10-medeco-key-blanks-Real-Medeco-Stamped-Keys-Do-Not-Duplicate-/321852336413?hash=item4aefe4e91d
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<computerchris> yeah I took the key home and scanned both sides on desktop scanner
<compuboks> klem, stil need the machinery to make the dupes
<computerchris> I think I need specifly keymark blanks
<compuboks> Not a regular key machine
<klem> maybe not, a set of files, a dremel and a vice  is all you need
<compuboks> Very true.
<compuboks> Would you need a current physical copy of the key to pull it off?
<klem> I'm betting it doesn't actually have a side gate in the keyway, I haven't seen anything about medeco using side gates, so its just a matter of cutting down the blank to match the original.  The trick is I'm pretty certain Medeco has more than 1 keyway.  I guess I could check google on that
<klem> he has one, he wants to duplicate his dorm room key
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<computerchris> yeah I mean I don't need to cause like I can just get an RA or w/e if I lock myself out
<computerchris> but I'd like to be able to just run out to the car and grab the spair
<computerchris> I could even try this http://boingboing.net/2008/08/08/working-medeco-highs.html
<computerchris> only needs to work once or twice
<klem> first figure out what kind of Medeco it is;   http://www.medeco.com/Other/Medeco/Downloads/1/Medeco.2015.NP.pdf
<compuboks> Agreed, and to be clear, I support nothing illegal.
<compuboks> Only legal testing of locking systems by private persons.
<compuboks> For their own uses
<klem> I pay taxes to by proxy of the government I support murder, extortion, invasions of privacy, wiretapping, police brutality, intimidation, organized crime, drug use, elder abuse....well the list goes on and on doesn't it?
<compuboks> I have paid the same taxes
<Metalwolf> lol
<compuboks> But don't agree with every point
<Metalwolf> try not paying your protection money... erm... i mean... taxes
<Metalwolf> XD
<klem> well as an expert on how to keep people out of your stuff physically a significant part of my pay comes from the government so its a regular revolving door of cash.
<computerchris> I think it's a KM
<computerchris> does not exactly match anything on that chart
<computerchris> page 7
<computerchris> 7
<klem> well then you'd want to see if you can get a KM keyblank on ebay
<computerchris> it looks like the KM silver other than the fact that what is shown appears on the opposite side of the key
<computerchris> based on what is shown of the sholder
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<Foxtrot> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cey35bBWXls
<Foxtrot> jesus
<Foxtrot> worth the watch
<computerchris> the fuck is budapest
<Foxtrot>  not impossible to pick
<Foxtrot> <computerchris> they have a weird keyway shape
<Foxtrot> <klem> yeah, you'd be better off 'loosing' that key and getting a replacement from the school instead of trying to get that duplicated,  however they might just change the lock and charge you for a new key for yourself and one for your roommate(s)
<Foxtrot> <computerchris> I'm in a single
<Foxtrot> <klem> lucky you
<Foxtrot> <Foxtrot> forever alone
<Foxtrot> <computerchris> and I think its like $250 if you lose the key
<Foxtrot> <computerchris> let me check
<Foxtrot> FUCKING HEXCHAT
<Foxtrot> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wj9pnPYDiM *****
<Foxtrot> it likes to copy random parts of the buffer