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hey everybody thanks for tuning in once
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again to dynasty lifestyle podcast
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it is now episode 6 I'm pretty sure it's
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episode 6 because we've been running so
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fast so quickly got so many cool people
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coming on sometimes I lose track of what
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the episode is but I'm pretty sure it's
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episode 6 so today we got a very special
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guest coming all the way from Europe and
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we'll let him introduce himself in a
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moment and it's very interesting because
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we're gonna touch on a couple topics and
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your name is Patrick Chan we got Patrick
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Chan here sorry what's your Chinese name
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again my Chinese name is Tim there soon
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in Hakka in Cantonese it's called a team
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that's on duck song and in Mandarin this
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turtle nice and is there any very
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special meaning to your name well my
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surname is Chan frog from the ancient
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era it means listening to a kingdom in
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the east actually it has a lot of
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flowery stories to it am I my own name
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Tommen is actually his benevolence and
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yeah I think that that has good meaning
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to it as well and my my middle name my
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the second part the middle part of my
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name is actually my brother Lee or
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sister Lee ranking border which you you
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find in the family tree and it's sort of
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like pre pre destined actually that
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certain generations must have certain
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names it's nice in the family pockets
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yeah nice
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you mentioned benevolence which is
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actually I think is really cool because
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yeah I mean dynasty myself I think
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you know we all kind of preach you know
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benevolence and uh there's definitely
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something that the world needs a bit
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more of and I think martial arts is a
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big part of that and bringing together
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people and teaching them you know
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respect but yeah let's let's start well
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actually can you tell us just a quick
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biography like who you are what you do
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like just fill us in on a bit of that
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and if you can speak up a bit that would
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be great yeah sure sure born or raised
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in the Netherlands some people call it
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Holland which is not entirely correct
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I'm a Hakka origin but I have a mixed
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heritage from my mom's side which is
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Jamaican American American part is
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mostly non-existent I would guess I'm in
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my plus $0.30 moments I have studied
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information management finish that
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working currently as a consultant and
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I'm going to go forward with a family
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business which is real estate nice and
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yeah that's in a nutshell my yeah my
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biography nice is Chinese people or
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Chinese people buying up all the
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property in the Netherlands as well well
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the thing is actually they are quite
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happy with it because they're really
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doing a good job they're not buying up
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all the property we have a lot of
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Russians over here as well right and
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seemingly seemingly the the the crisis
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in Greece actually propelled a lot of
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Greek millionaires to come over to North
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Western Europe as well yeah it's it's
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very interesting that I have you on here
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on this show because you're the first
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European person I'm you know
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interviewing or you know have on this
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podcast and you're gonna have a totally
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different perspective on a lot of the
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things why not kick it off with with
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martial arts because that's that's the
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backbone of you know dynasty that's the
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backbone of this podcast and of course
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you know that's how we got in touch
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that's how we we came to be related to
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one another through martial arts so why
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don't you tell me about your martial
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arts background sure I'll begin with
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actually blind enthusiasm for for combat
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sports in general and the arts and
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basically I started off very early on
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just mimicking movements I think I was
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ten or something like like yeah twelve
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and I could clearly but clearly some
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interest in it I started off with
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northern style wushu which was very
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acrobatic hmm I liked it for what it was
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but it for me it missed combat it missed
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depth it means real-life situations
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along the way I got introduced via fire
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towards a group of seafoods actually
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which which were from southern China and
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living in the narrow from my pot yes
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yeah okay yeah they all lived in
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Netherlands well one is what is quite
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specific one used to live in Netherlands
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but at the time when I was he was my
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Sifu he was one of my for seafood
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actually which I'm very grateful of but
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if you ever go to Germany Dusseldorf he
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actually teaches combat to the German
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police force actually legit and that's
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yeah that's that's really something he's
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rock on and he's like you know he's like
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the old-fashioned sea booze who gives
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you mouth booze but also lets you know
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he gave me really good insights about
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how and why and how stuff works so it's
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a bit later but you started learning
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like a combi style of Kung Fu is that
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what you said from DC booze from well
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and Sifu yes indeed definitely so what
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did it what did what did he name it was
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it was it a style was it just something
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he created what was it his main
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component is from fuck which is
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hong-kyun and
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and but which is which is the the Buddha
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hat no yeah but the thing is he kept it
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very he kept it very grounded he kept it
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very grounded he says okay do these
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parts for the art enjoy the art do the
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art hmm but these parts is for raw
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combat these parts are for raw combat
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and it just really you go into combat
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situations and it's like no-holds-barred
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I guess that's them the right English
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word to key to dress it to right which
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means basically actually counter joint
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kicking kicking in the growing and yeah
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just do it for the win
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yeah what are some key we were some key
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moves out of this combat system that he
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that he created so groin kicks what else
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yep groin kicks is one and and basically
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you know it's it's almost like train
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watching through your opponent actually
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you you you go and the mindset must be
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you know you are protecting yourself and
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your loved ones
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you know you will fight differently if
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it's for a title for a tournament then
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if you would say if if your your family
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is under threat yes the combat psyche is
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different and so yeah he also taught me
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that actually you know you must look at
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a situation if your family's on the
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threat you will do anything to really
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get the potent down and if you're
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fighting a tournament you're sparring
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it's it's a different feeling absolutely
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you bring up a great point I'm about to
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go go into it for a second a lot of
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people who train martial arts they
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forget that they forget the reality side
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of it you know a lot of people train
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martial arts they're not able to bring
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themselves mentally to a state where
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they need to use that martial art in
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real life in a real life situation in
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reality if somebody is attacking them on
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the street or if somebody is harming one
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of their loved ones or their family
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or whatever or somebody's breaking into
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their house you know they have to react
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quickly and they have to punish that
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person swiftly and they have to
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basically you know diffuse the situation
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as quick as possible so a lot of people
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without combat training you know the
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people that just do martial arts for the
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art just do martial arts for the forms
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just do martial art for the sparring but
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they don't think of it in terms of okay
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life and death like I really gonna have
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to do this to you in a real-life
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situation like I have to break your
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fingers I have to you know you know
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crush your genitals I have to you know
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yeah you know take my take my fingers
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and and and basically grab your eye
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socket and try and pull your eye
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eyeballs out just to get you to stop
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whatever that you're doing a lot of
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people are not in touch with the reality
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side of the martial arts they just go
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through the movements they go through
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the self-defense kind of movements you
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know and they think that okay that's
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enough you know like I you know I'm a
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killer you know I I I you know I am able
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to beat anybody now but that's not true
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because you know doing it in a sport
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environment it's completely different
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than okay somebody breaking into your
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house and you know you're you you have
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to deal with that person you know
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immediately right then and there at that
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moment you have to drop everything and
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you have to try and kill this person
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because if you don't try and kill this
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person guess what this person might kill
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you or might injure you for life so
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definitely anybody listening to this
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yeah you definitely should get in touch
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with the reality side of martial arts
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and even to bridge it further you know
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even to bridge it further drills are not
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enough you know I find that drilling is
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not simply not enough because people get
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into a comfort zone when they drill
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they're like drilling with their partner
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oh yeah yeah I kicked the guy you know I
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trained I trained this move like a
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thousand times I kicked this guy in the
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groin a thousand times well guess what
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now do it in a live situation when the
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guy is moving and the guy is resisting
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and the guy is fighting back you know so
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the number one thing is you have to do
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it in a live situation you have to
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live sparring you know and like
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realistic you know not like holding back
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or anything like that you know realistic
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so that's why we you know goes into the
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whole kung-fu thing and and I'm gonna
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use jujitsu as an example the reason why
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I'm gonna use its jujitsu as an example
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because jujitsu is one of those martial
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arts I would say quite possibly the only
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martial art I mean correct me if I'm
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wrong but quite possibly one of the very
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few martial arts on planet earth where
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you're able to spar with your partner at
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full you know realism right 100% speed
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100% strength and you're able to not
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hurt each other while you're doing it so
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that's actually what makes jujitsu so
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great is because it's so close to
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reality you know is so close to real
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life fighting but you won't hurt each
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other because you top out and that's it
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so so that's over that means like you
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killed me so that's what makes jujitsu
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great is because you can train in
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reality every single day and you you're
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not gonna hurt each other whereas if
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let's say you're doing a striking
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martial art or you're doing some form of
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kung fu if you try to do it full contact
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you can't do it every day cuz you're
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gonna hurt yourself right you're gonna
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bang your shin on the guy's elbow you're
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gonna hit each other in the face you're
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gonna bleed you can scratch yourself
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you're gonna get a concussion that stuff
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cannot be done at a hundred percent
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realism full speed full power every
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single day you can maybe do that like
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once a week you know to keep your body
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intact you know you keep keep your brain
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intact but that's one of the real big
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advantages that jiu-jitsu has and that's
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honestly the reason why a lot of people
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you know gravitate towards you Jitsu
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because it's very realistic and they
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feel like sort of the old traditional
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martial arts or the old kind of Chinese
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martial art systems are very much out of
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touch with that they they they focus on
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a lot of four
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they focus on a lot of techniques they
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focus a lot of drills focus on very very
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minimal sparring I would say like
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minimal realistic sparring you know so
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the the you know it comes into a point
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where okay a lot of the training that
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you do becomes out of touch with reality
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so you have guys that train 10 years
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coming for 20 years kung fu whatever
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kung fu style it is right but
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realistically have they fought with a
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resisting opponent hundred percent gold
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compliant opponent yeah not a compliant
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opponent no they've spent very very
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little time actually doing that so I
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mean in comparison with say jiu-jitsu
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guy for example and I'm just using
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jiu-jitsu as an example but you can use
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any other example as well wrestlers who
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train realism you know realistic
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wrestling all the time you know more
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Thai fighters who train realistic more
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time more brawn you know so a lot of
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people are out of touch with the reality
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so you know so so it's interesting that
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you said you did some nets as some Sifu
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in the Netherlands who who actually are
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preaching that so tell me a little bit
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more about that well I'll start - - you
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know one set a story if you enjoy the
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art please enjoy the art please enjoy
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the performance do that it's called -
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its tradition do that for one specific
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isolated part that's what my seep also
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says you know he eats as well if you if
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you don't think that this is highly
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applicable see it as a component of
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mm-hmm and you know usually usually I
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make the distinguishment between for
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example I also besides martial arts I'd
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also do squash I think some people call
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it racquetball maybe in the US
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mm-hmm but I do squash and you you
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squash you do with a racket it's like
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tennis and then you also badminton and
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you also have a ping-pong you know and
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you cannot put a ping-pong person
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against a tennis person right just like
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you cannot put a Tai Chi person against
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the MMA person right you get that
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analogy yeah yeah absolutely
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no you that there's funny that you
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mentioned Tai Chi and an MMA person this
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is I have not talked about yeah big big
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incident so let's talk about it right
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now what what is your take on that for
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those who don't know what the incident
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was so there's apparently there's this
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Chinese mm-make person who retired from
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doing MMA but he he claims that he
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changed ever mayne everything he was in
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China he challenged you know some
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Chinese martial arts masters saying kung
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fu sucks and stuff like that so this you
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know this fake Tai Chi master guy got on
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board and he got knocked out in ten
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seconds and you know after you did a
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little bit of more research on this
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Taiji guy you realized this Taiji guy's
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not even really a Taiji guy he like you
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know self trained innocently
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he self promoted himself as a Tai Chi
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master he went on a Chinese TV show and
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like did a stupid Qigong trick where he
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taped the tape the birds feet to his
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palm so so the bird wouldn't fly away
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and demonstrating fucking like fake ass
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Qigong and shit so that's the thing that
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gets me pissed off right that's the
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thing that gets me riled up is because
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Chinese people they do this to
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themselves like they they're so in love
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with the traditional Chinese culture
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that like there's nothing wrong with
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loving the Chinese traditional culture
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but when you love it and then you take
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something that's not real and you and
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you take something that's fake and then
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you promote it you know on national
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television or whatever that TV show was
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you promote it in the Chinese community
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that like hey this tai chi chi-gong
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stuff really is real and i'm not saying
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like the internal chico martial art like
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that's real like the internal chi gong
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martial art of hardening your body and
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taking strikes and stuff like that that
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stuff's all real like you go on youtube
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search it up on videos you'll see real
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stuff people performing real stuff okay
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I'm not talking about the real stuff I'm
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talking about when people are faking it
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they they're taking something and
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they're doing magic tricks with it and
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they're tricking people into believing
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that hey with Tai Chi training you know
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you can you can you know get this bird
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not to not fly away from your hand like
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that stuff that bullshit like it is the
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type of type of stuff that
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no mixed Chinese people look bad you
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know and it's bad that you know these
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fake Tai Chi master guys are promoting
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this kind of stuff and people are
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falling for it so in a way when this
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Chinese MMA guy stepped up and and and
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and knocked this dude out in ten seconds
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I was happy because I'm like yo this
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guy's fake anyways you know what I mean
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this guy's fake expose him right and
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wake people up I thought okay it's been
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a long time coming to be honest I I
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thought this stuff should have been done
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10 years ago 20 years ago I'm like
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Chinese people need to wake up that this
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this BS doesn't work so you know for for
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him to come in and knock him out I feel
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like that's doing the community a
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service so anyway give me your two cents
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on it well I think it's indeed doing a
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community service actually and they
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should have been done a long time ago I
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think we also have a famous worldly know
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martial artist called Bruce Lee who also
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did that but my take on it actually
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really this Tai Chi guy he was if he do
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is the statue he stands was actually
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traditional mantis actually and exactly
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that's not tacky so you're not gonna
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fool me with that you know I see that
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and it's it's also the stepping wise you
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know you're not used to having straight
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punches coming lunged at you it's it's
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very weird you know I my mom my martial
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training also has a view deviations I
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did capoeira a little bit of Aikido
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while I was in Hong Kong I was I was
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also doing MMA and also doing Thai
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boxing and you know once you get a
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straight straight punch and it's like
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okay you know you need to use different
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tactics mm-hmm nice you visited Hong
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Kong before did it to the Tai Chi yeah
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yeah frequently I'm going back within
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now and you have your family there
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but the thing is I have plenty of family
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in Southeast Asia and South China
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especially yeah put it this way yeah
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sorry not to deviate from from what
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you're saying but yeah go back to the
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Tai Chi thing ya know that the Tai Chi
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guy you know he got what he deserved
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basically got what he deserved and he
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made you know if you are legit
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you know trained trained as such you
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know and I really how do you say I like
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the fact that there was a Chinese MMA
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guide I was doing this you know so you
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know besides the fact that he keeps
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everything in check put it this way man
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it's also the wake-up call like okay
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saying okay you cannot pull off this
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shit you know cannot tell you that
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you're invincible have a forcefield yeah
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and have those fairy tale stories in in
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current day world you know yeah martial
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arts ass has to evolve you know I know
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because at this moment I'm I am also
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doing kung fu again with my old Sifu
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that was one of the foresee was actually
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one who stayed in Netherlands he's quite
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close to me yeah and I study a martial
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art which is called in Cantonese more
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cartoon oh my gosh okay one of this yeah
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it's very rare and I like the kicking
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techniques because it's only southern
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style which has diverse kicking
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techniques compared to the northern
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styles that has like acrobatics and
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stuff I see these has the vicious low
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kicks and vicious like also yeah kicks
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that crumble the opponent's toes and
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cetera you know it's like stomping also
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yeah and interesting it's quite
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interesting but in any case yeah the Tai
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Chi guy you know he lost and it's it's
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like you know you can tell you know but
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by the way stands yeah and it's like you
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know I already predicted that you is
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going to lose somehow before I saw the
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fight actually right and you know you
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know the other interesting thing about
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this and you mentioned just now like oh
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I'm glad it was like a
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I'm a fighter who did it and it and and
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and it's interesting because here's
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here's how people would have viewed it
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if it wasn't a Chinese MMA fighter who
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did it if it was like a foreigner guy
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like a foreigner MMA guy who did it
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then it would be a completely like it
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would be taken completely differently
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from the Chinese community it would be
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like oh you know foreigner you know
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arrogant foreigner or arrogant American
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foreigner or whatever you know coming
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into Chinese society and trying to
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disrespect Chinese martial arts and
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trying to disrespect Chinese people like
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we're gonna fight back and we're gonna
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beat them down you know I mean and and I
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totally get that from a historical
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standpoint from a cultural standpoint I
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totally understand like if you're like a
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proud Chinese person in China if
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somebody did that to you
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like yeah it would bring up all the
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thoughts you know in in recent history
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they'd be like oh yeah we have to you
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know show that Chinese martial arts is
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strong so we're gonna send our best to
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like challenge him back that type of
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thing but because a Chinese and the make
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I did it it was almost like okay guys
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like this has nothing to do with the
23:15
foreigner thing it has nothing to do
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with you know skin color race ethnicity
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nothing like that this is literally
23:23
about martial arts so if you're mark if
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you're traditional Chinese martial law
23:30
doesn't work in a real-life combat
23:32
situation then you really gotta think
23:33
about you gotta think about okay am I
23:37
still gonna teach this stuff or or do
23:39
people still want to learn this stuff
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and that's the part that I thought was
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very positive and in this situation that
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I felt was very satisfying because it
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was another Chinese guy that did it
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there there's none of that like Oh
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Japanese karate master came and
23:56
challenged no Chinese khufu and stuff
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like that you know all that stuff in the
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movies and then and you know TV shows us
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something that there's there's none of
24:03
that sort of wartime element going on
24:05
with that situation so it was very very
24:07
clear to the Chinese community hopefully
24:10
that they're gonna wake up and be like
24:12
hey you know let's let's not
24:17
you know following the footsteps of
24:19
these frauds yeah you know that the
24:23
thing is that there there have been a
24:25
lot of masters who are unchecked and you
24:27
know that with the kungfu craze of the
24:29
70s you know lots of people grew in that
24:32
era well there was nobody actually
24:36
checking them like what is your what are
24:38
your credentials I know what masters
24:41
have you study you know I must give you
24:43
credit to Japanese you know that they
24:44
have the belt system for what it is I
24:47
know you cannot put too much emphasize
24:49
on a put a belt system you at least know
24:51
ok he has yes you should have ran
24:56
through a few academic steps to get the
24:59
belt which right he earn right which is
25:02
which is legit to that extent what I
25:05
really hate for example is nowadays
25:06
current days you see 10 year olds well
25:10
you like though which suits the the the
25:12
value again yeah you know yeah yeah
25:15
absolutely so originally it was it was a
25:18
good thing like belts meant something
25:20
and then now belts don't mean anything
25:22
but again it goes back to why jujitsu is
25:25
good like highlighting you know other
25:27
martial arts again also highlights what
25:30
was so good about jiu-jitsu jiu-jitsu
25:32
belt systems right now are kept in check
25:36
it within the within the jiu-jitsu
25:39
community it's very much kept in check
25:40
because of its high what's what's the
25:46
what's the word I'm looking for because
25:48
of the number of competitions okay
25:51
because there's a very yeah there's a
25:54
very healthy amount of competition
25:57
between you know jiu-jitsu schools and
26:00
jiu-jitsu community and stuff like that
26:02
so there's a lot of tournaments always
26:03
happening so when you go in there and
26:05
you know people don't want to lose face
26:07
they don't want to lose like you know
26:09
they don't wanna be embarrassed so they
26:12
are gonna be extra hard on their
26:14
students you know if you're a blue belt
26:15
then I make sure you have at least had
26:17
two three years of training before I
26:19
even give you blue bell right if you're
26:21
a purple belt like I make sure you're
26:23
really really good before I even
26:25
consider you purple belt right so that's
26:27
a good thing so it makes the belt straw
26:31
and it makes the belts mean something
26:32
and you know that's a good thing that
26:35
that's a shih-tzu is holding on to
26:37
but of course with time you know I'm
26:39
sure with time you're gonna get people
26:42
that are gonna water down some of their
26:45
belts at some point and you know there's
26:48
there's always fake people and posers
26:50
within certain martial arts communities
26:52
but that's gonna happen so yeah so you
26:57
so let's let's bring it back you you
27:00
said you trained like a bit of wushu you
27:03
said you trained ma-kun yeah you said
27:06
you trained what other style was that
27:08
again I forgot home fuck home but home
27:14
buddies yeah and fuck right okay
27:19
yeah it's it's it's a quite widespread
27:24
hybrid outside of South China actually
27:27
and well he we have quite a few number
27:33
of schools actually which all right
27:36
again you know I it's it's it's it is
27:41
beyond my my idea that I should know I
27:45
should not really cling on to a style
27:47
because also more cocoon the way I study
27:50
it to give you an insight it was
27:53
firstly aimed as a military kind of
27:56
style actually sake you just legs and it
28:00
has also joined break don't break
28:05
techniques the thing is actually what I
28:08
find weird is you don't hit the head of
28:11
the opponent ah Sifu why don't you hit
28:14
the head yes you know like a good punch
28:16
could knock him out and he says well you
28:19
should hit the head but I'm training
28:20
here is actually the the traditional
28:24
style which which you should how do you
28:27
say train for this but but also train
28:30
for the real life situations and the
28:31
thing is he's being ripped very
28:33
realistic about this yeah the reason why
28:36
you don't hit the head in the old age is
28:38
because he had a helmet on armour on and
28:41
so you train in a very traditional way
28:43
the
28:44
that you should wrap the helmet and and
28:46
you know just break the neck with the
28:50
helmet fastened yeah so so that's that's
28:56
that's the thing you know it looks quite
28:58
cool once it's executed but then you
29:01
start again when I was younger I said as
29:03
the asking questions like why don't you
29:05
just hit the guy's face
29:07
you know man says well you should hit
29:09
the guy's face we also will train for
29:11
that but here you train the the the part
29:14
which is traditional which is like he
29:16
has a helmet on what are you gonna do
29:18
about that exactly that is the thing and
29:21
and well so I really a different shape
29:26
between the fact that I do the
29:28
traditionals and I love the traditionals
29:30
its form its aesthetic it's nice fluid
29:34
but and I also do do combat and and
29:38
really we have Wing Chun guy who's quite
29:41
rooted in Wing Chun I do frequent
29:44
sparring with him even though he doesn't
29:46
like me using legs man that's quite a
29:48
thing I have a guy it's the same cool
29:50
place who does Tong Soto Tong shadow is
29:54
like the Korean martial yes like I think
29:57
they really really have a lot of things
29:59
which they put on that style which made
30:01
it like to abundance they even use
30:04
nunchucks and nunchucks it from from my
30:06
perspective is quite unknown within the
30:09
Korean style actually because all the
30:11
cream styles mmm it's more of a sudden
30:14
Okinawa Filipino or maybe even even in
30:17
the old ages in the fields in China yeah
30:20
it's not definitely not a northern thing
30:22
nunchucks no no no it's not yeah it's
30:26
very southern for sure yeah
30:29
very subtle yeah the thing is you know I
30:31
keep myself through it with it within
30:34
one part do the traditions for the for
30:38
the sense of art and do the raw combat
30:41
for the sense of raw karma you know you
30:43
need to get used to being you know
30:46
getting straight punches and getting
30:47
hard low kicks you know it's like yeah
30:50
this is like me me getting a yeah
30:54
getting a really spicy meal you know I
30:56
love it it's grueling
30:57
but I love it you know ya know it's good
31:00
that you mentioned that you know I think
31:02
it's beneficial for people to get a
31:03
balance sometimes so I just I'll just
31:07
make a point here a lot of people who
31:09
train the combat are so a lot of people
31:10
who trained you know jiu-jitsu full-time
31:12
that type of thing actually sometimes
31:15
may be damaging their body too much they
31:18
are because they're constantly training
31:20
the full-contact styles you know
31:23
constantly constantly doing doing the
31:25
heavy damage to their body you know it
31:28
get injured so because your body is
31:31
fragile is it's not gonna last forever
31:33
your body so a lot of people they don't
31:36
understand that it needs a balance
31:37
sometimes so even for myself you know I
31:40
mean I don't necessarily seek out
31:42
traditional martial arts training and
31:44
train them traditional martial arts
31:45
right now but you know I came from a
31:48
traditional martial arts base so I
31:49
totally understand what you're saying
31:51
and I also understand like the need for
31:54
a balance like you can't go hard hard
31:57
hard all the time
31:58
so you know I take it easy sometimes I
32:01
take it soft I play around with the
32:03
technique sometimes I play around with
32:05
possibilities right I think about things
32:07
a little bit and I try to have fun with
32:10
it in the training I try to have fun and
32:11
then when I'm having fun in training
32:13
that's when I lose lose myself and then
32:15
you know I'm I'm not worrying about
32:17
anything else I'm just in that moment
32:19
and I'm training for fun and everything
32:22
just seems to be fun to me and sometimes
32:25
people need to understand that as well
32:26
you know you know it's not always
32:28
life-and-death you know inside the gym
32:31
inside the on the mat you know some
32:35
people they take it too far you know
32:37
some people like they train full-time
32:38
and they're thinking about okay I'm
32:40
gonna I'm gonna be the next UFC champion
32:42
or something like that and they go super
32:45
hard on their training partners and
32:46
basically they act like a douche bag
32:48
because every single time you do the
32:51
technique with them or every single time
32:52
you spar with them they're just going to
32:54
hundred percent to try to break your
32:56
neck
32:56
you know I mean is a little bit too much
32:58
for the rest of us who are not training
33:00
you know performing for the rest of us
33:02
who who are not trying to become the
33:04
next UFC champion you know we don't need
33:05
a
33:06
connect the next morning you don't mean
33:07
we don't need a we'll need a broken
33:09
elbow the next morning you know we can
33:11
train 7080 percent effort right
33:14
sometimes a hundred percent we're okay
33:16
with that as long as we're getting
33:17
better and our name we're practicing our
33:20
techniques and we're having fun that's
33:22
all that matters so I think a lot of
33:23
people lose in touch with the fun part I
33:25
don't want to say a lot of people but I
33:27
would say some people lose in touch with
33:30
the fun part of martial are you supposed
33:31
to enjoy it you're not supposed to do it
33:35
and then kill yourself doing it so yeah
33:39
balancing the the the TNA kind of you
33:42
know training it for the art training it
33:45
for the forms and then also the combat
33:47
sports side you know even just taking it
33:49
a little bit easy on the combat sports
33:51
side it makes a lot of sense so well you
33:54
mentioned actually home home kun for for
33:57
people who don't know home kun is
33:58
actually the style made famous well I
34:00
don't know if I don't know if I should
34:02
say made famous but I don't go out on a
34:06
limb and say it with made famous by
34:07
won't fail well he was one of the the
34:13
main characters within that lineage yeah
34:15
veno means obviously Chinese folk hero
34:18
so yeah and he used the honking style as
34:22
well ya know I'll give you a bit of a
34:28
sidestep actually his wife is called Mok
34:32
Whelan and she is the main proponent or
34:34
the main person in lineage for more
34:36
cartoon action
34:38
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34:40
interesting yeah that's where it comes
34:42
from
34:42
yes so it's like it's interesting
34:46
because you know a lot of people don't
34:47
realize this and I probably went into
34:49
this a little bit before but doesn't
34:50
matter within China itself you know
34:55
because China is such a huge place
34:56
people don't know this China is such a
34:58
huge place with so many different
35:01
ethnicities with so many different
35:03
provinces with so many different cities
35:04
anywhere you go is like a different part
35:07
of the country and it feels like it's
35:09
it's it's its own ecosystem and it's not
35:11
in itself so when people say oh you know
35:15
Mme you should train him in May an
35:18
amazing new thing not really because if
35:20
you go back thousands of years in China
35:22
within China itself that was the world
35:25
so you have people doing southern
35:28
Chinese kung-fu styles you have people
35:30
doing home curd you had people doing
35:32
home or Cocker you have people doing
35:34
whatever bagua Chan and then she each an
35:37
and this and Don listen that back then
35:39
that was ever made like if I you know
35:42
travel to the south and I sparred this
35:45
kung fu master and I picked up a
35:46
technique here there you know I mean and
35:48
then and then I went to the north and
35:50
then I learned this you know technique
35:52
here and there and then I mix it into my
35:54
own style and to try and beat other
35:55
people that was anime but within within
35:58
the Chinese ecosystem you know I mean
36:00
that was MMA so they were mixing up
36:03
those styles even even way back then so
36:06
which would you want to add something
36:08
extra yeah just just to add something
36:10
extra to it is because in the old days
36:13
before the before the the the the eight
36:17
Nations alliance and all the colonists
36:19
came they actually had had a lot of
36:22
these but they had tournaments the thing
36:25
is actually the basics of Chinese
36:27
martial arts as a mindset is to protect
36:30
yourself but for tournaments these
36:33
styles needed to be applicable towards
36:35
aggressive attack mmm the thing was that
36:37
if you are if you're participating in a
36:39
tournament you basically sign a deaf
36:41
I've said that worin yeah yeah yeah
36:46
that's what you sign actually yeah
36:48
that's the winner of these tournaments
36:49
usually
36:51
lost an eye or lost a limb winner has
36:55
lost something you know yeah and because
36:57
because the these in the in the old days
37:00
because these fights were so brutal and
37:05
then the colonists came that they say oh
37:08
yeah we we might want to introduce
37:10
boxing because we use gloves and it's a
37:12
bit more civilized but this way yeah but
37:15
in the end werewolves moving towards I
37:19
think it will be eventually towards the
37:21
more brutal martial arts at which there
37:23
is ripping
37:24
there's tearing there's pulling there is
37:27
jamming in where is for example III
37:30
might want to ask you as a martial arts
37:33
towards a martial artist have you ever
37:35
tried as a how to say as a technique
37:39
when should encounter somebody to
37:42
basically spit into somebody's face
37:46
have I ever spat in anybody's face I
37:49
don't think so I can't recall it be I
37:51
can't recall ever doing that but I just
37:55
put it I just put it this way yeah the
37:57
thing is in the end it's about winning
38:00
the match and and really go into combat
38:03
with whatever means to win actually and
38:06
no III agree with that I agree with that
38:09
if there was ever a situation you know
38:11
where somebody attacked me or whatever
38:14
yeah no it's it's anything goes yeah I
38:17
would spit in his face to to to get him
38:19
you know distracted in some way and then
38:20
punch him right in the throat you mean I
38:22
was fiddling are yo spinners face and
38:24
then I put my left hand out to gauge the
38:27
distance and then throw right cause
38:29
right right into his jaw or right into a
38:31
stroke you know I'll try and aim for the
38:33
throat basically but yeah anything goes
38:37
once the trigger goes you know it's on
38:39
and then you know exactly yeah beyond
38:42
the art part but it's it's raw comedy it
38:45
was ugly it looks not artsy there's no
38:48
fluid movement it's basically beating
38:50
the person down and winning the game
38:52
that's it exactly and interesting you
38:55
brought some of that history up let's
38:56
let's get into that a bit because you
38:59
you struck me as a very knowledgeable
39:01
guy about Chinese history in
39:04
world history and stuff like that which
39:05
is why I wanted to bring you on to this
39:08
podcast so let's get into that
39:10
so being Chinese and living in Europe
39:13
how is how is it like and let me know
39:17
how come there's a southern Chinese
39:20
community in in the Netherlands can you
39:23
can you touch on that well to start with
39:27
you know the thing is my heritage is
39:30
Hakka Chinese in the old days we used to
39:32
be how to say nobility of the Tang
39:35
Dynasty we went southwards and further
39:37
southwards and we waged some wars
39:40
against the the corrupt governments at
39:42
that time we lost and we need to scatter
39:45
all the way around that's why my
39:46
heritage is a bit mixed but I in the end
39:49
I still look very Chinese I guess but
39:51
the thing is yeah how it became how we
39:56
got over here to the Netherlands is
39:58
because a lot of the the Chinese because
40:02
of the 200 years basically of poverty of
40:05
China that they were scattering all all
40:09
all over Asia and further on beyond that
40:11
even the thing was for example yes just
40:17
plainly put generalizing Cantonese were
40:19
already in in Hong Kong mostly yeah yeah
40:23
they were already like the the the
40:26
fisherman's that they had the fertile
40:28
ground set a good grounds and over here
40:32
they had a fertile grounds in hong kong
40:34
in the areas so the hawk does have to
40:36
move on or state some state by the way
40:39
that's that's where part of my family is
40:41
in South China but the thing is some
40:44
went as far to Caribbean because they
40:46
needed workers they needed and those
40:49
were the people who are blacks that they
40:51
have worked the fields and the whites
40:53
were the owners of the of the in the old
40:56
days they were the owners of these
40:57
fields and they also need people who had
41:00
technology to grow crops and to
41:03
administer all these things and that's
41:05
where the Chinese were very handy and
41:07
sometimes they were also used as art
41:09
labor yeah these were the old days you
41:12
know and that's why a lot of Chinese
41:15
came to the Caribbean around what time a
41:19
lot more reasons but around what time I
41:22
think it was during the time when the
41:25
the opium war was was going on in China
41:29
was already bleeding empty actually
41:31
leaving empty of all their their money
41:34
in their possessions and whatever you
41:36
know 18 million 1919 12 I I think I
41:41
think it's eighteen eighteen fifty
41:44
onwards I guess Wow okay I see but there
41:49
are a lot of a lot of Caribbean Chinese
41:52
actually and the thing was actually a
41:54
fire fire an uncle my father landed in
41:59
the serene and it's South America and
42:02
some the the top ledge of South America
42:04
and he I started working over there
42:08
there were shops and there was a
42:10
thriving me micro community of a
42:13
thriving micro economy but it was
42:15
thriving what's really driving and along
42:18
the way well I think it was the
42:21
1970-something surname had their their
42:25
struggle well not a struggle for
42:26
independence they actually the thing was
42:28
they wanted independence and they got
42:31
independence from the Netherlands so
42:33
people had either had a choice stay and
42:35
become a surname national oh go to that
42:40
go to the Netherlands and become Dutch
42:42
oh so that was a Dutch colony no I said
42:46
that's call me yeah okay yeah I was
42:48
thinking perspectives everywhere right
42:50
because I was wondering way with my wait
42:52
a second why are you talking about South
42:53
America okay okay now I get it
42:56
yeah yeah and we need multiple podcasts
43:02
you to really explain yeah yeah no
43:03
worries we can get off with the basics
43:05
yeah so how come there's us how come how
43:09
come there's a Hong Kong community in in
43:12
the Netherlands like the only reason why
43:15
I know this is because not that I've
43:18
been to Netherlands but the only reason
43:20
why I know this is do you know what I
43:23
and dangerous ah yes of course yeah yeah
43:28
young and Dane
43:28
serene okay for people who don't know
43:31
what I'm talking about young and
43:32
dangerous is a Hong Kong comic book
43:34
series I was very popular it talked
43:37
about it followed the lives of a group
43:41
of friends who joined the Chinese triads
43:43
and then they make it up to the ranks
43:44
and you know it's very very heroic and
43:47
glorifying of like triad you know
43:49
culture and stuff like that but you know
43:51
very popular and they got turned into a
43:53
movie series and I'm talking about young
43:55
and dangerous three when guys from you
43:59
long part of the New Territories part of
44:01
Hong Kong they had family in Netherlands
44:05
and there's Chinese triads and
44:06
Netherlands so I'm wondering where did
44:08
that come from
44:09
I'll explain that to you the thing was
44:12
actually the Netherlands has been always
44:15
been very liberal with it had drugs with
44:18
their prostitution also its use and
44:20
easier with gays I'll tell you one
44:23
shocking part for let's say the black
44:26
community in the u.s. is you know the
44:28
blacks over here
44:29
they had voting right the moment they
44:32
had acquired a Dutch passport and they
44:34
had full full rights as a normal that
44:36
person that was since 1910 I would say
44:40
you know so the black struggle in the
44:42
u.s. about the segregation and and all
44:44
the other racism was non-existent over
44:47
here mmm it was like you know the blacks
44:50
over here they were like hey what's
44:52
happening in the u.s. you know we don't
44:53
see that happening over here hmm even
44:56
though the blacks over here were
44:57
considered difference and and maybe you
45:01
know because they're quite unknown and
45:04
that they you know you don't associate
45:06
yourself with too much with people who
45:08
are unknown mother thing was the
45:10
struggle they had in the u.s. about the
45:12
the let's put one specific struggle
45:15
about sitting in the bus you know that
45:18
was like a non-issue over here just
45:20
wherever so that's the thing yeah yeah
45:24
it was since 1910 or something as long
45:26
as you have quite a Dutch passport you
45:28
have full voting rights you have full
45:30
rights of Appeal you have full rights of
45:35
getting a insurance etc there was no
45:38
like blocking so that's the struggle in
45:40
the US was quite something
45:42
huh y-you know right well you still get
45:45
the story you still didn't tell me why
45:47
there was Chinese people in the
45:48
Netherlands like like Hong Kong people
45:50
I'm getting I'm getting I'm getting
45:52
there because of because of the drug
45:54
thing you know all right
45:57
the basically the the Dutch were at that
46:00
time are quite tight knit community if
46:02
you are white you know you probably know
46:04
somebody else is white and you don't
46:05
know the boundaries but Chinese were
46:07
already quite weaved into society even
46:10
though they were accepted but they were
46:11
quite considered different so you as a
46:14
how do you say as a as a well-known
46:18
Dutch person you are the gentleman like
46:21
and you wouldn't go to another person
46:23
saying hey you have drugs for me you
46:25
know that doesn't work no what works is
46:27
for example if you go to a restaurant
46:29
and ask the other who is in the
46:32
community who has foreign contacts hmm
46:34
ask the other well can you get me some
46:36
of that stuff you know hmm
46:38
and Chinese you know being being of the
46:40
old age you know you you you sense a
46:43
opportunity for business hmm
46:45
and that's where it started you know the
46:48
Chinese what we considered different and
46:50
they were still included into society
46:53
weaved everywhere around so there was
46:55
actually there in Amsterdam the the I
46:58
don't live in that city but announced em
46:59
there used to be a very subscribing how
47:03
do you say
47:05
Godfather like figures multiple of them
47:08
who had Chinese those were Chinese and
47:11
that they had contacts in South America
47:14
etc sternum and Brazil were amongst
47:17
these places and also in Asia and you
47:20
know they set up the businesses with
47:22
with with its salaries with with borders
47:25
and they really kept the type-check of
47:28
their business and you know in Midlands
47:29
because we have a liberal drug policy
47:32
it's it's unimaginable in the u.s.
47:34
really you know if I want to buy a hash
47:37
or anything just five minute walk from
47:39
here in your store and I can get it mmm
47:41
it's really that simple and where did
47:44
the drugs come from like would like less
47:47
also early Chinese immigrants they went
47:49
there they opened up their China towns
47:51
restaurants I'm assuming is what's this
47:53
what we always do we
47:55
we go and open the restaurant you know
47:59
because we have to make money and then
48:01
where did the drugs come from it does it
48:04
get imported in from China or where no
48:07
no no stop America and what I also know
48:11
is the Golden Triangle that yes Island
48:13
Cambodia is another part you know
48:16
because the Chinese that they they have
48:18
these complex you know that they were a
48:20
rebel already living in a very
48:24
cosmopolitan kind of world actually
48:27
because the Chinese had contacts because
48:29
they have been there they and they were
48:32
quite savvy on world trade anyway the
48:35
debtor or quite up to themselves
48:37
actually I must say and they're doing a
48:39
good job at it though but the thing was
48:41
the Chinese they had a contact you know
48:43
they set up they set up lines from from
48:46
South America to the Netherlands you
48:48
know and they they really put effort in
48:52
it to get his formalizes organization
48:54
you know and the Dutch climate the Dutch
48:58
the Dutch climate allowed these things
49:01
to to just progress as long as you know
49:03
you don't have like a massive drug
49:06
epidemic over here but so it's legal for
49:10
them to deal drugs over there at that
49:13
time yes we distinguish between hard
49:16
drugs and soft drugs but at that time
49:18
there was no such really distinction and
49:21
it was also still considered medicinal
49:24
usage actually so yeah they had free
49:27
reins and they really became yeah I
49:31
recently read a story about this but
49:32
they really the lemons Amsterdam was
49:35
really like a a point in which everybody
49:39
came and that they could buy sell drugs
49:42
and loose you know which type of drugs
49:45
I'm curious I'm curious to know which
49:48
type of drugs can you be more specific
49:52
my guess it say it would be cocaine okay
49:56
that would be the most most direct one I
49:59
think the secondary one would be heroin
50:01
yeah
50:02
although I'm not sure about the second
50:04
one though but cocaine is is definitely
50:06
what one one thing
50:07
you know the the besides being a supply
50:11
for the Dutch market they could easily
50:12
move on to Germany you could easily move
50:15
on to France you know if I want to go to
50:17
Germany it would take me one and a half
50:19
hour an hour fifty fifty minutes
50:21
basically to get by to get to the border
50:23
just by driving and 40 minutes to
50:25
Belgium I take the train for three and a
50:28
half or four hours I'll be in Paris you
50:31
know these are the distances you're
50:32
talking about so they made lots of money
50:34
making use of these close distances so
50:37
we market it was like a gangster's
50:39
paradise it was like a triad paradise
50:41
because they could be exact do whatever
50:43
they wanted and you know they wouldn't
50:45
be arrested or anything like that so
50:47
we'd be like a heaven for them yeah
50:51
exactly it would be heaven and it was
50:53
also a safe haven you know because for
50:55
example I would say you know how many
50:57
hong kong gang members can read that you
51:00
know if you want to put your family
51:01
somewhere in a small town it's really
51:03
possible you know they will never arrive
51:05
Oh gang would never be able to find them
51:07
very very very interesting insight
51:12
that's a very nice insight but yeah we
51:18
know you know some of the the I'd say
51:22
the old aged Chinese over here that they
51:24
went really they were having a lot of
51:29
riches and basically that they were
51:32
mingling into high society because you
51:34
know that their money to spend you know
51:36
the thing is you they over here they
51:38
take a plane to go to Italy to to get
51:40
suits done and come back to the next day
51:42
it's like crazy you know the story of
51:48
the gangster paradise over here yeah
51:50
absolutely and actually you know it's at
51:55
this funny cuz this actually reminded me
51:58
cuz in an earlier episode there was a
52:00
there was a african-american guy that
52:03
was trying to make a joke with me
52:05
on the street or I was telling this
52:07
story where we're trying to make a joke
52:09
on me it's like oh yeah we know Chinese
52:11
people do the
52:12
stuff like that I guess he's right we do
52:14
they would deal with the most drugs but
52:16
you know what you know who deals more
52:18
drugs than we do the the British the
52:22
British Empire dealt more drugs than we
52:24
do because they were selling opium to
52:26
everybody on the planet so beat that but
52:32
yeah yeah the British really had their
52:37
game going on and Queen Queen Victoria
52:41
whoever was the Queen at the time she's
52:44
the biggest drug dealer biggest in the
52:48
world basically the biggest in the world
52:50
you know it was pushed by a nation you
52:53
know and the thing is all the riches all
52:56
the the all the things that you see in
52:58
Britain you know for a big part even
53:00
though it's every now and then you you
53:01
also hear yeah I found in the Attic
53:03
I found in an old vase which is from the
53:06
Ming Dynasty example just ask yourself
53:09
how did that base get there you know
53:11
yeah how did you know how how what was
53:16
your group your great-great-grandfather
53:18
you know what did he steal for example
53:22
exactly I mean you bring up a good point
53:25
you bring up a good point and I'll go
53:27
I'll go as far to say this now because
53:30
you know this is dynasty lifestyle
53:32
podcast it goes it goes a little bit
53:34
about identity it goes about a little
53:36
bit about history goes about into
53:39
dissecting what it means you know to
53:44
just just you know our our identity so
53:46
like when people say like Oh Chinese
53:49
people copy so many things and they're
53:51
like you know they counterfeit this and
53:54
they counterfeit that and you know
53:56
they're not original they don't come up
53:58
with their with their own things and
54:00
that they're not creative
54:01
you know alternatively speaking look at
54:06
it from another perspective it's like
54:07
it's survival you know its survival like
54:12
why are we gonna put like so many things
54:13
why don't we cop got a copy so many
54:15
things because we got to survive because
54:16
at that time there all these people came
54:20
and do you know our country and they
54:22
stole everything they stole all the goal
54:26
they stole all the artifacts they stole
54:29
all the treasures right how the hell are
54:32
we supposed to survive so when you when
54:34
you when people bring that up and they
54:36
talk about all your stealing your
54:37
stealing your stealing really like we're
54:40
just taking it back
54:41
you don't mean we're just taking it back
54:43
so you know in that context in that
54:47
perspective you know I you know we're
54:51
not doing anything that hasn't been done
54:53
to us really yeah yeah that's so it's a
54:58
little bit of a weird with way to think
55:01
about it this way but it's really it's
55:03
it's the truth you know the thing was
55:05
actually just think about this before in
55:09
the 1950s to the 1980s it was always a
55:13
Japanese Japanese car cheap products
55:15
very blah you know yeah from the 1980s
55:19
till probably the 2000s it was a Koreans
55:23
Korean cars no Korean products Korean
55:26
this you know and now it's the Chinese
55:28
you know and it's it's for me it's like
55:32
you know there's constantly this these
55:33
waves in the economy and these waves in
55:36
in how the world goes actually you know
55:38
and I really like to think of it as just
55:42
a natural flow because for example you
55:45
know Netherlands we have a city called
55:46
Delft yes just to be very specific and
55:49
that's the Chinese market in the old
55:52
days they were creating very good
55:54
porcelain very high quality very well
55:57
technologically wise they were on the
56:00
top mm-hmm and the Dutch people they
56:02
don't like to talk about this but they
56:04
copied the Delft blue pottery and they
56:09
created a copy of the Chinese they knew
56:11
it was a copy but they created just to
56:14
be able to meet the market demands
56:17
mm-hmm and this is very interesting
56:21
because once once they say all the
56:23
Chinese copy their bloody right yeah you
56:26
know it's it's copying everywhere you
56:28
know it's just meeting market demands
56:30
and and the old age when when you
56:33
mentioned for example that yeah China
56:37
was basically robbed blank of everything
56:40
because opium war and because of the all
56:42
the depth that they put on to China
56:44
because China didn't understand the
56:47
concept of of Western warfare that this
56:50
meaning they invade China they they want
56:53
to take over the government and the
56:56
Chinese resisted and they the Chinese
56:58
didn't have a capable army or really how
57:03
do you say modern capable army yeah
57:05
and they lost so they they said okay
57:07
well we lost but we still have to pay
57:10
the the the foreigners who aggressively
57:13
invade in our country that was like how
57:15
does that make sense you know very
57:17
embarrassing you know it's yeah it's
57:21
very embarrassing because you you're the
57:22
losing party and you can have to pay you
57:25
know and besides that we're girls gonna
57:27
also put interest on it so if you if you
57:30
delay your pay you know the interest
57:32
will just go up and it came to a point
57:34
where just China was bleeding empty by
57:36
the day actually that's also when a lot
57:39
of people actually left towards
57:41
Southeast Asia or left towards the other
57:43
parts of the world actually and yeah and
57:47
the thing is that just think about how
57:49
every every besides every Chinese person
57:54
every Asian person what why they have to
57:59
leave Asia why why did Filipino people
58:01
have to leave Asia to work elsewhere
58:03
well why did a lot of cool in Dunellen
58:06
why do we have so many but South Korean
58:09
and also some North Korean but add up TV
58:11
before
58:13
you know the thing is on America to
58:16
poverty because yeah lots of Korean
58:19
adoptees an American and it's it's
58:24
because of poverty and how is this
58:25
poverty why did this poverty exists
58:29
actually it's because of warfare because
58:31
of strife because of struggle and the
58:34
thing is getting back to a very old
58:37
story which I which we both were playing
58:41
with is actually in the old days China
58:44
was like the big ancient UN it had it
58:47
had it was also the thickness if there
58:52
was any neighbor
58:52
needed assistance with rebellions with
58:55
flooding with piracy or whatever the the
58:58
Chinese government the Chinese dynasty
59:01
at a time would send armies to help etc
59:04
now if they're but the thing was
59:06
actually the foreigners this mean the
59:09
west conquering the the warfare in
59:11
Western Europeans who set their mind on
59:13
Asia to divide it they already saw oh my
59:17
god everything is actually being
59:19
protected by China actually so what must
59:22
we do
59:23
you must take down China we must take
59:26
down China really hard so is isn't able
59:28
to protect its friends its allies or you
59:32
know China China never had the an
59:33
expansionist ik war you know but as soon
59:36
as the Europeans were able to sail a
59:38
ship you know they say oh let's put guns
59:40
on them and let's shift all our armies
59:42
towards the east and let's conquer the
59:43
new worlds well China was doing great at
59:46
a time with their own dynasties in their
59:48
old things you know they were doing you
59:51
know even like for example India India
59:53
already tumbled for the British and then
59:56
then they set their mind further on in
59:59
Asia then said the eyes further on in
60:01
Asia and well the the work the rest of
60:04
the European countries are like oh my
60:06
god you know the British are good
60:08
getting rich bad but by the minute by
60:10
the hour
60:11
and that they already took India and
60:13
they they're setting their eyes on China
60:15
and the rest of Asia now we should take
60:16
part in the game as well you know so in
60:19
the end firstly had the big other
60:21
country which which was France was also
60:24
participating for example very clearly
60:26
in the Second Opium War and along the
60:31
way all the other countries came pouring
60:32
in even the Netherlands has a small
60:35
history of also partaking in in the wars
60:40
in Indonesia and even the smaller
60:42
country over here which is myself
60:43
country called Belgium they even
60:46
appreciate the the Chinese emperor to
60:49
sign a agreement to to house a to to
60:55
give them tangent from now to the rest
60:57
of eternity actually did that happen
61:00
small country like Belgium yeah that
61:02
happened that happened where Tianjin is
61:04
a
61:05
colony I didn't know that well you just
61:10
look at the buildings they have a a
61:12
asked Austria Romania Austria Hungarian
61:16
like a very old colonial building it's
61:21
very nice preserved are you talking
61:23
about so are you talking about the the
61:25
territories like big the concessions I'm
61:30
talking about Tenjin not blood Shanghai
61:34
they already had concessions over there
61:36
we're really moving towards other places
61:38
as well and Tianjin is basically that
61:42
they the Belgians that they wanted a
61:45
piece of the action as well and they
61:47
were white as well so they they pressure
61:49
the government saying okay we're gonna
61:50
attack you if you don't give us that
61:54
land actually well and the thing was you
61:57
know Chinese Emperor already suffered a
61:59
lot of these these foreign aggressions
62:02
to say oh another big country Belgium is
62:04
really small but all another big country
62:06
you know and oh they're white again yeah
62:08
let's give intentions just a small place
62:11
but this is what happened I did not know
62:15
the changes was a former colony of
62:18
another like is that on the same level
62:21
as a Hong Kong was I was a former colony
62:23
of British Empire no no that the British
62:28
actually had a very high say that there
62:31
are lots of experience with colonizing
62:34
stuff very how do you say a devious fine
62:38
job with it yeah a very devious fine job
62:41
so not the same thing it's not the same
62:46
thing but for example if you ever go to
62:48
Belgium and go to Antwerp Central
62:51
Station one of my friends told me
62:53
actually had all the marble and all the
62:55
all the nice stuff actually from there
62:57
from from that central station was
62:59
actually hauled over from tangina
63:01
actually I should just act check that
63:03
but it was one of the things that I was
63:05
playing in my mind because I live is it
63:07
Antwerp every every three to four months
63:10
I have friends over there it's it's a
63:12
nice place and yeah it makes me wonder
63:16
you know how did it get there you know
63:18
yeah and it's interesting you brought
63:19
that up you it's very interesting you
63:21
brought up the whole thing about China
63:23
being the Middle Kingdom that's what
63:24
that's why it was called the Middle
63:26
Kingdom right that's why it's known as
63:27
Middle Kingdom because it was the
63:30
central place on earth at the time like
63:34
like literally human civilization at the
63:36
peak of the human civilization at that
63:39
time well obviously if you're a
63:41
historian there are several peaks right
63:43
there's there's different Peaks that are
63:45
happening in different civilizations
63:47
right Egyptians bla bla bla bla bla bla
63:49
but at the time
63:51
Asian civilization at its peak was China
63:54
so we had the best technology we had the
63:57
best scholars you know we invented a ton
64:00
of things right and European people at
64:03
the time we're like in the Dark Ages
64:04
they were like shitting themselves and
64:06
in on the streets and like didn't even
64:08
have a sewage system so they just threw
64:09
their junk on you know they just threw
64:11
their junk out the streets and they were
64:13
had like the plague and everything like
64:15
that so they didn't have any technology
64:17
so like China the time was like pinnacle
64:19
you know you had again I'm not about to
64:22
go in a super long list of the stuff we
64:25
invented but I mean check it out I mean
64:27
do some research but we were so
64:29
technologically advanced that we're just
64:31
like man we're gonna chill we're gonna
64:32
have peace you know we're gonna have
64:34
like the whole scholarly era where
64:36
people come out and we start rapping and
64:38
well you know that's the origin of rap
64:41
is Chinese poetry you know I mean so you
64:43
had scholars come out and like take
64:45
their times you know what take a take a
64:48
stroll along the Chinese gardens and
64:51
there write poetry and then recite them
64:53
and talk to birds and talk to the moon
64:56
and talk to the lake and be like you're
64:59
so fine and pretty and all that type of
65:01
stuff and then you know that's how they
65:03
would woo the women and stuff like that
65:04
so so it was like art you know poetry
65:09
fashion martial arts a little bit of
65:12
martial I didn't have to like go to war
65:13
too much so it's like a little bit of
65:15
martial arts but mostly it was like
65:17
studying health care yeah he'll help
65:19
right it was it was a lot of like
65:22
writing books writing novels
65:25
writing strategic manuals all that type
65:28
of stuff so was like a good peaceful
65:30
time
65:31
because like they had everything you
65:33
know I mean the the resources are all
65:34
there the people were all there the
65:36
management was all there and it's good
65:40
thing you brought up a thing about you
65:41
know not having an expansionist policy I
65:43
mean I don't want to sound like I'm like
65:46
super Pro China or like super sino
65:49
centrist sis or whatever you want to
65:51
call it
65:51
I understand there's there's been
65:53
certain you know incidents where China
65:55
has tried to you know annex Korea or
66:00
China has tried to invade Vietnam stuff
66:02
like that I'm not I'm not saying they
66:04
were completely innocent but in terms of
66:07
applying in terms of applying like a
66:10
western-style
66:12
imperialism colonialism to its neighbors
66:15
I don't think China ever did that China
66:17
was always like okay here's how big we
66:21
are right look like like they would send
66:24
their convoys that they would send their
66:25
guys over there they'd be like okay see
66:26
this is how big we are you know this is
66:30
how big our army is this is how much
66:33
resources we have like if we want to go
66:37
to war with you guys we could but we're
66:40
not gonna do that we like peace for the
66:43
most part so we're gonna let you do your
66:45
thing you you can have free control and
66:49
you know free development of your own
66:51
society and your language and stuff like
66:53
that we're not gonna try and force
66:55
anything on you just you know every year
66:58
just send us something you know I mean
67:01
send us some gold send up some food send
67:03
us some whatever resource just a little
67:05
bit pay your tribute a little bit here
67:07
and we'll protect you in a sense like
67:10
we're your big brother we'll protect you
67:12
you know send us some princesses and
67:14
some queens here and there and and we're
67:17
good you know we're good so I feel like
67:20
I I mean I'm looking on the good side I
67:24
feel like that's kind of cool it's like
67:26
hey I can I can deal with that it's it's
67:29
it's not any different than if you live
67:31
in society right now and you got to pay
67:33
your taxes and you got to pay your
67:34
whatever medical bills or whatever it is
67:37
and you got to pay your income tax it's
67:39
the same thing the government takes care
67:41
of you right they they provide you a
67:43
place they provide you you know
67:44
with laws and stuff like that they
67:46
protect you it's the same thing so
67:48
Chinese society they were already so
67:51
advanced that they did not need to
67:53
result to like barbaric things like
67:56
invading in other people's land and
67:59
taking their resources and raping their
68:02
women and getting them to sign unfair
68:04
treaties so that you can rape them some
68:06
more for resources and for money and
68:08
then also colonize their people and
68:10
force them to speak another language and
68:13
you know push your religion on them and
68:15
then force them to take up your religion
68:17
and force them to hate themselves and
68:20
hate their own language and hate their
68:22
own religion hate the hate their own
68:24
skin color that they're in and then
68:26
force them to speak English like we like
68:28
Chinese people never did that you know
68:30
and for any non Asians listening this
68:32
lot guys right now
68:33
you you sound like oh shit like you know
68:36
this shit's getting too real like I'm
68:38
gonna I'm about to press a you know X
68:39
button I want to get out of here like
68:42
like oh this whole guy he's such a
68:44
racist and bla bla like nah dude this
68:47
has nothing to do with racism you listen
68:49
this is a history this is exactly what
68:52
happened to places in Asia you know from
68:55
from places like you know the British
68:57
Empire and whatever European countries
68:59
and stuff like that this is a reality
69:00
and this is this is the history that we
69:02
live in right you as a non-asian person
69:05
will be listening to this and you and
69:07
you may feel like oh you know that's
69:09
such a long time ago it's ancient
69:11
history no no no it's not ancient
69:13
history it's only a few generations
69:14
removed we still feel the effects of
69:16
that even today so it's not going to
69:18
take any you know it's not gonna be
69:20
anytime soon that this this sort of the
69:23
effects of colonialism goes away I mean
69:25
I mean let me go off tangent a little
69:27
bit first of all why am i speaking
69:29
English right let's ask that question
69:32
why do I have to address the rest of the
69:35
world in English right now I could be
69:36
speaking Chinese right now I could be
69:37
speaking my own dialect right now but I
69:39
can't do that because you wouldn't
69:40
understand me and I would need subtitles
69:42
so you know right then and there is is
69:46
is is a sign of colonialism like I
69:49
should be able to speak my own language
69:51
and other people should respect it
69:53
enough to learn my language and then be
69:55
able to hear me yours own saying but I
69:57
have to
69:58
English because English is now the
70:00
de-facto kind of international language
70:02
who knows in a hundred years but that's
70:06
a de facto language and that's the
70:08
language that we have to learn you know
70:10
this there's millions of people in China
70:11
there's millions of Chinese people
70:13
Asians whatever that have to learn
70:15
English just so that they could speak to
70:18
foreigners and they could speak to
70:19
everybody else in the rest of the world
70:21
but why is it that you know it can't be
70:25
the other way around why is it not that
70:27
other people are learning to speak
70:28
Japanese or learning to speak Chinese in
70:30
order to communicate with 1.4 billion
70:34
people on the earth
70:35
well it's because there's a different
70:36
power dynamic you're talking about again
70:39
decades you know centuries of
70:42
colonialism and that language has been
70:45
spread and that language has been you
70:47
know widespread and pushed by media by
70:50
you know political powers and whatever
70:53
it is it's part of the history now so
70:56
wewe have to speak the English or else
70:59
other people don't understand us and
71:00
that's that's just you know a very walk
71:02
way at looking at it so you know that
71:07
that's history so it's not that I'm
71:09
being hateful against people who are non
71:11
Asian or it's like that it has nothing
71:13
to do with hate I don't hate anybody
71:14
what I'm saying is here are the facts
71:17
here's what we live in and here's what
71:20
we have to realize and here's here's
71:21
what we have to recognize so I went off
71:24
on a tangent a little bit what was our
71:25
original talking about was I talking
71:26
about okay so yeah Chinese people you
71:29
know that the the Ming or not Ming
71:31
Dynasty but the Middle Kingdom right
71:34
acting as like a big brother so they
71:36
never had to do the western-style
71:38
imperialism thing and I thought that was
71:41
a beautiful thing and and I thought
71:44
there's nothing wrong with that and I'm
71:45
sure there's there's obviously Koreans
71:47
and Vietnamese and you know they're
71:50
gonna feel a certain way about it I
71:51
understand that and and my message to to
71:55
to our you know Asian brothers and stuff
71:57
like that is I think it's better if all
72:01
Asians work together you know I mean
72:03
because you you've been at the result of
72:06
colonialism we've all suffered from the
72:08
same result of Imperial
72:09
why not pool your resources together and
72:11
help help each other out as opposed to
72:13
you know fighting over petty differences
72:15
and and now you can reflect that with
72:18
with modern with the modern age with
72:20
modern society right now it's it's
72:22
happening the same thing the same things
72:23
happening you know the same thing that
72:25
was happening a hundred and two hundred
72:26
years ago is happening right now it just
72:28
comes in cycles like you said people are
72:30
now taking aim at China because China is
72:32
coming into the you know in the modern
72:34
era they're powerful again right they're
72:38
on the rise again just like they were
72:40
200 years ago and people are pointing
72:44
their guns at China and they're doing
72:45
the same thing again they're like okay
72:46
South Korea you know Japan
72:49
you know Philippines you know Vietnam
72:52
like you gotta be on our side you're
72:54
gonna be on the American side you're
72:55
gonna be on the whatever side and China
72:58
is like the bully China is the enemy
73:00
like you're gonna be anti China and it's
73:01
like come on man like please like that's
73:05
just a whole kind of game that you guys
73:07
are playing like any educated well
73:10
unfortunately a lot of people are not
73:11
educated but any educated person can see
73:14
that this is just proxy wars this is
73:16
just you guys are playing a game because
73:18
you guys want to you guys want to get a
73:20
China again so it's great the Chinese
73:23
are well they just had the they just had
73:26
the summit meeting they just had the
73:28
summit meeting where a Chinese president
73:30
invited you know all the Southeast Asian
73:32
countries and then Middle Eastern
73:34
countries and they put me basically
73:36
ignored America and they brought them in
73:38
for that for that meeting again I don't
73:40
wanna get into politics and stuff like
73:41
that I'm not a politics person but what
73:43
I'm saying is they're doing good stuff
73:45
over there in Asia and if you've
73:47
actually visit China you actually you
73:48
know talk to people there you actually
73:50
realize that there's there's a lot of
73:51
great things going on within China you
73:55
know other than the censorship right
73:56
other than and and whatever there's
73:59
actually a lot of great things going on
74:00
in China the Chinese government's
74:01
actually doing a lot of great things for
74:02
their own people you know just to give
74:05
you a couple points you know they they
74:07
they they're they're going green that I
74:10
realize that they're doing a lot of
74:11
things that they're going green with so
74:13
you know bicycles are free in China so
74:17
bicycles are publicly available you just
74:20
tap your car tap your phone
74:22
ever and you could get on a bicycle and
74:23
you could ride and it's literally for
74:25
free so they encourage good health they
74:28
encourage people to bike and they
74:31
encourage people to take public
74:32
transportation if you try to register
74:34
for a car it's like trying to win the
74:37
lottery okay there's gonna be like tens
74:39
of thousands of people that are gonna
74:40
try to register for license-plate firfer
74:42
to run to drive a car but they'll only
74:44
pick a handful per month okay because
74:47
they want to limit the amount of people
74:48
that can buy cars so that limit the the
74:53
pollution right so then they jack up the
74:58
prices on car parking lot spots so to
75:02
discourage people from owning cars and
75:04
you encourage people in taking either
75:06
public transit or walking or cycling so
75:11
that's good that those are good things
75:13
that are doing in China of course in the
75:14
Netherlands and stuff like that I'm sure
75:16
they've been doing that for the last you
75:17
know thirty forty years already but I'm
75:20
just assuming
75:20
but there's doing they're doing a lot of
75:23
great things they're doing a lot of
75:24
great things in China that in fact even
75:26
if you compare it to places in America
75:28
you compare to Canada even you know is a
75:31
very slow evolving you know a can't Oh
75:34
economy in it well I don't want to use
75:36
the word economy but slow moving
75:37
lifestyle over here in Canada there's a
75:39
lot of things in Canada that are just
75:42
take years and years and years and it
75:44
never gets done you know public
75:46
transport is bad you know traffic is bad
75:49
a lot of things that you know are
75:52
available in Asia the subway systems the
75:55
superfast subway system the superfast
75:56
public transportation systems in Asia
75:58
Hong Kong you know Japan South Korea
76:00
certain big tier 1 cities in China
76:03
they're not they're not even available
76:04
in Canada Canada they got they're using
76:06
some shit that's super old it never
76:08
works right I can't speak for New York
76:11
City but you know I've been to New York
76:13
bunch of times I mean we all know the
76:14
New York City subway system is like a
76:16
sewer you know I mean it's a sewer like
76:20
that's not like that in Asia you go
76:22
Tunisia you go to the subway system it
76:24
is extremely clean it's extremely
76:26
efficient you know everything's on time
76:29
you know people do things in an orderly
76:31
manner you know
76:32
and there's it's just a lot of people
76:34
it's just ignorant people never been in
76:36
Asia they never traveled there they
76:38
never lived there they just don't know
76:39
that there's a lot of great things you
76:41
know in China there's a lot of great
76:43
things in Asia anyway I'm going
76:44
super-super off tangent so I thought it
76:50
was really interesting I thought it was
76:52
really interesting to learn that part
76:54
about China I don't know a few years
76:56
back talking to other Chinese people
76:58
that you know China never needed to do
77:00
the whole expansionist thing and yeah
77:05
well I can understand why because if
77:08
you're like you know you're if you're
77:11
English you know you're British or
77:13
whatever yeah you live on a tiny island
77:15
there's nothing there so you're gonna
77:21
make some ships and invade some
77:23
countries of course cuz you got nothing
77:25
on your Island it's tiny yeah you know
77:29
the thing is talk about the Britain they
77:38
already had a very long history of
77:39
warfare against the French so they're
77:41
very good at it actually and along the
77:43
way they thought you know that's not
77:45
make war but let's make war with others
77:47
you know so that they went conquering
77:49
other places and they exported that
77:53
their their you know their democratic
77:55
system their colonialism and basically
77:58
enslaved you know that they are quite
78:01
dubiously proud of the fact that they
78:03
once had an empire where which the Sun
78:05
never sets and it was quite true
78:07
actually no that makes it all very very
78:12
very weird actually because yeah you
78:17
know they had so much money and they had
78:19
so many places while their themselves
78:21
are very small country you know this uh
78:24
you just think about that you know their
78:26
small country but able to divide and
78:29
conquer that's basically what we're
78:30
where it came down to and they're really
78:32
good at making other people divide as
78:35
well so they're they're excellent and oh
78:38
yeah you use the word you use the exact
78:41
word which is what's happening right now
78:42
is that Asians are divided and
78:45
and largely it's a reason of Western
78:47
colonialism Western opinion and
78:49
imperialism cuz they're great at coming
78:51
in and being like hey Filipinos you know
78:54
you don't like the Chinese you know I
78:56
mean like make sure that you don't make
78:58
sure that you remember that you don't
78:59
like them you know and then they'll go
79:01
over to let Koreans and they'll be like
79:02
hey hey Koreans make sure that you
79:05
remember that China is the enemy
79:06
all right you got it and then they go
79:08
over Japan's I hate Japan your are your
79:10
our lap dog you know I mean you're our
79:12
little puppy you gotta listen to you
79:14
know what we say cuz we nuked you and we
79:16
put it we put a bunch of military bases
79:17
in your ass you gotta like listen to us
79:20
make sure you continue to be the enemy
79:22
of China and all that type of stuff now
79:23
you're our watchdog you know I mean like
79:25
if that sounds harsh but that really is
79:28
reality this is really reality it's like
79:31
the the reason why Western you know
79:35
colonialism imperialism still exists to
79:37
this day is because of their ability to
79:41
make Asians divided and make them stay
79:44
divided and that's why you know it comes
79:47
down to for a person like me who is very
79:50
proud of being Asian you know I like to
79:51
see a unified you know unified Asian
79:55
people you're just just everybody be
79:57
friendly with each other you know and
79:58
and and you know not to you know take
80:01
that on and and be be we take them taken
80:03
out of context and be in the wrong way
80:05
not that we don't want to be friends
80:07
with other people but I'm saying in
80:10
order to be friends with the rest of the
80:12
world right Asians first of all have to
80:16
understand where they come from and
80:17
their own identity first and then
80:19
they're able to make friends with each
80:21
other first because they because let's
80:23
let's put it this way we all look the
80:24
same and I mean we all look similar so
80:27
by association we're already associated
80:30
with each other right it's not like you
80:32
go to America and you look at a white
80:34
person you be like oh I could see that
80:35
you're from Belgium it's like no like I
80:38
just look white right
80:39
I just look white so I'm I'm seen and
80:43
attributed as white or whatever if you
80:45
want to be technical about it
80:46
I'm European right but they don't go up
80:50
to people and say like oh yeah you're
80:51
European or you're Irish
80:53
or you're you're Scottish whatever no
80:55
you can't tell each other apart until
80:57
you start asking me questions
80:58
so same thing with Asians the first
81:01
judgement is that okay
81:02
you location you probably speak in Asian
81:04
language and whatever all the negative
81:08
stereotypes are the stuarts types that
81:09
come with it when people see you they're
81:11
like oh they think you're Asian or they
81:13
think you're Chinese or whatever so if
81:15
people understood that that they'll
81:17
never be like not Asian because they'll
81:19
always look Asian they need to
81:22
understand that first of all and get rid
81:24
of the self-hate get rid of the whole
81:25
division Venus get rid of the whole
81:28
trying to be as American as possible
81:30
type of mentality
81:31
George trying to be as foreign as
81:33
possible type of mentality get to get
81:35
that out of their system first
81:36
understand who you are as a person okay
81:39
understand your own history understand
81:41
your own culture then make friends with
81:43
your other Asian neighbors because they
81:44
look like you and they have similar
81:46
traditions as you and they have similar
81:48
histories as you and they have similar
81:50
relationships as you just and that's not
81:54
saying like oh you know we are why
81:57
you're being why are you being so pro
81:59
even and and you're being against other
82:01
people that's not true at all look at
82:02
you look at the European Union same
82:06
thing it's not like that's like a bad
82:07
thing it's a good thing because they're
82:09
trying to help each other out because
82:10
they're all part of that within that
82:11
same area within that same continent
82:13
within that same you know meet they all
82:16
share the similar histories together
82:17
they all share you know they think they
82:19
do trades with it with it with each
82:20
other their economy is tied with each
82:22
other so yeah it would strengthen each
82:25
other if they had an EU and which they
82:27
which they did for a time you know I
82:29
mean so that's all I'm saying is is that
82:32
Asian countries you know at the result
82:35
of colonialism is it has been set back
82:39
you know several hundred years it's
82:41
beneficial for Asian countries to try
82:44
and lift themselves up by partnering
82:47
with each other and ignoring honestly
82:49
the foreign bullies that try to come in
82:51
and try to separate us that's us that's
82:53
really my point that's all I'm saying no
82:56
that's really true that's followed up on
82:58
that you know because I again not being
83:01
racist but just being for the fact that
83:03
as soon as you know the the whites
83:07
arrived in Asia just being at the 17
83:10
100-something you know that they started
83:13
to figure out okay how do we get to
83:15
conquer this place actually I'll tell
83:18
you know the thing is there was never
83:20
like an Asian envoy towards the West
83:23
saying okay let's let's divide these
83:25
countries you know there was never
83:26
something like that well when they had
83:28
the when the Europeans had the power
83:30
they went to Asia and thought you know
83:31
we see all these riches we want that you
83:34
know be proud of the Asian heritage
83:36
which you have either your Filipino
83:38
either your Vietnamese Indonesian let's
83:40
go further with Malaysia a no talent no
83:43
there's a lot to be proud of and the
83:45
thing is actually you should we regain
83:48
that the pride that you once lost or you
83:51
should emphasize it more because the
83:53
thing is the future is in Asia let's be
83:55
very clear-cut about that you know and
83:57
the the thing is Westerners who went to
84:01
Asia you know they often II had in the
84:05
beginning time they had they wanted to
84:06
study and to be friends if there was
84:09
early early beginnings with the
84:10
missionaries etc but along the way as
84:13
soon as they learn your ways you know
84:14
they would be like okay we can exploit
84:16
this you know we need money and we can
84:18
exploit these just think of it this in
84:20
utterly this part about Indonesia mmm
84:24
the the voz of the Dutch the Dutch how
84:28
to say maritime company was the vo see
84:32
it brought the Netherlands a lot of
84:34
riches actually but no simultaneously it
84:36
made the Indonesians very poor how did
84:39
how did came to be for example you're in
84:41
the old age in your view from Indonesia
84:43
you have your your fishery you have your
84:46
weaving baskets or you know you have
84:49
your your small banking system whatever
84:51
the thing is actually from one day or
84:53
the other Europeans come to your Shores
84:55
and say now ma'am serve you're my slave
84:58
now how would you feel about that it's
85:01
like what you know it's it's
85:03
unimaginable and the Dutch actually I
85:09
have to say that they extracted so many
85:12
riches from from Indonesia the morning
85:16
to the history books it's it's it's so
85:18
much actually it's it's more than any
85:20
other company in history ever had they
85:23
have enough money that they couldn't
85:24
count
85:24
and they sort of stopped with by saying
85:27
we have this company made enough money
85:29
for the core members to be rich and not
85:33
having to work for seven generation
85:35
onwards just think about it seven
85:37
generation hey hey I'd like that too
85:39
guys I'd like that too
85:41
I want to grow tall and fat and really
85:45
big like six foot five right because I
85:47
want to benefit off seven generations of
85:50
surplus how about that so when people
85:51
make like stereotypical comments about
85:53
like Oh agents are short Asians are you
85:56
know this and that was because we were
85:58
malnutritioned we didn't have anything
86:01
to eat
86:01
we were poor because all foreign powers
86:04
took it away from us anyways that's my
86:06
comment go ahead keep going no but the
86:10
thing is actually just think about and
86:11
the the smart stuff about this company
86:13
is actually when it was disbanded it had
86:15
zero on the on the on the on the balance
86:19
check actually but the core members were
86:21
so rich that they started their own
86:23
companies and now they're dominating the
86:25
world if you look back you know all the
86:27
Dutch banking systems which are quite
86:30
well known throughout the world
86:31
that they came actually from first
86:33
initial investments from these these
86:35
core families actually that made so much
86:37
money it's it's unbelievable actually if
86:43
yes the the the sad thing about the
86:46
story is a lot of Indonesians still see
86:49
the the current day threats as being the
86:52
Chinese well a lot well they shouldn't
86:54
have been poor a long time ago if they
86:57
had just normal trade with China being
86:59
in the old ages they probably have have
87:02
have had a more steady path towards a a
87:07
development which which suited them the
87:10
most actually and for me
87:13
I picked these specific parts in history
87:15
because I really like to focus on on
87:17
these parts because if you look at how
87:19
the money flew how the money actually
87:21
went everything went to the west and
87:23
everything went to the west so along the
87:26
way current day I think agents really
87:29
need to reevaluate themselves saying hey
87:33
you know we're rising on the world
87:36
stage now it's not just China it's it's
87:38
also Indonesia it's also Thailand you
87:41
know the it will arise on the world
87:43
stage now let's do the property let's
87:44
let's have mutual trade let's have
87:46
discussions and you know the thing is
87:50
also with all the politics aside
87:53
actually uh every year every every Asian
87:57
country knows that their their their
87:59
only important breakthrough you know and
88:01
if they model this up if they if they
88:03
really want to destroy it for themselves
88:05
they should go to war you know but
88:07
they're on a fragile balance now that if
88:09
they push through this balance but
88:11
working through it together and by
88:14
really harnessing each other's strengths
88:17
and powers they don't need the rest you
88:19
know they can grow by themselves
88:21
I'm not saying ignore the West because
88:23
the West's as has still have have their
88:26
own innovative ideas and it and you know
88:29
that the technology you know Asus is you
88:33
know they're quite are on a very high
88:35
level but if agents work together you
88:37
know that the thing is that they're on
88:40
the verge of a new era actually a which
88:43
modern-day asian nations can find really
88:46
good benefit if they really just keep at
88:51
the moment and just looking at your
88:56
neighbors what they do what with how how
88:58
how do they develop you know and we
89:00
didn't learn from each other you know
89:01
because they're putting putting their
89:03
best practices in work now mm-hmm let's
89:06
call it a difficult word a meritocracy
89:09
it's really something which is in the
89:11
asian nations now it used to be the old
89:13
elites in asia there were they were on
89:16
top but now that they they recognized
89:17
that you know we have talent in all
89:21
layers of our society you know we have
89:24
poor people who might have a magnificent
89:27
brain with magnificent ideas we need to
89:30
harness that getting education for all
89:32
and getting the best talent from within
89:35
those ranks it's very important and I
89:37
think along the way Asia's Asia is
89:40
really becoming a place where people
89:42
recognize that part you know and as
89:47
having a a also a
89:50
an idea that along the way the other
89:54
economies are also rising I think Brazil
89:56
should be doing better than it should be
89:58
doing now but you know the BRICS
90:01
countries yes yes countries Brazil
90:03
Russia etc you know and they they really
90:07
have the mindset you know weird on the
90:09
dock you know we're not there yet you
90:11
know and we should all band together to
90:13
get there to get all all the people to
90:16
be on a good level you know exactly and
90:18
I really hope that they they really push
90:21
through with these these initiatives and
90:23
they really see benefit because the
90:26
thing is we don't need Wars anymore the
90:28
worst would be terrible wars would be
90:30
will be destructive disrupting the
90:32
growth and all the all the fragile
90:36
advances that they have made still quite
90:39
fragile but they need to push through
90:41
really absolutely I my it's my grant on
90:45
how it goes yeah and and my comment on
90:47
that is and I think it starts with like
90:50
like what I said not to repeat myself it
90:53
starts with being woke yeah right it
90:56
starts with being woke and I like how in
90:59
Western society now it's you know Asians
91:03
have more of a voice now on the Internet
91:06
you know well the podcast that we're
91:07
doing right here on the internet on
91:09
social media things like that
91:11
Asians used to not have a voice because
91:13
you know the media is controlled largely
91:16
by white people so Asians never used to
91:20
have a voice so people were just shut
91:22
down they were just shut out of telling
91:24
their own stories their tolling of their
91:26
own perspectives about things and people
91:28
just didn't know what they just didn't
91:30
know any better so Asians Asians
91:31
themselves didn't know any better so I
91:33
think the first element is starting to
91:35
become woke understanding yourself
91:37
understanding everything right what
91:39
everything I just said and once you
91:41
start becoming woke you start realizing
91:44
okay the things that I used to think
91:47
were not cool or the things that I used
91:49
to think that I thought were
91:50
embarrassing or the things that I think
91:51
other people bullied me with are
91:54
actually just all a part of society
91:56
trying to tell me that I'm not good
91:58
enough or trying to tell me that I'm not
91:59
cool enough or trying to tell me that my
92:01
Asian features are not
92:03
attractive or telling me that my skin
92:05
color is not attractive or things in my
92:08
culture are too old and and and you know
92:11
not cool and whatever and and all these
92:14
things that are pressuring us from a
92:15
day-to-day basis it spills on to society
92:20
as a whole in general and you you get
92:23
you get things happening you get you get
92:25
you know situations like this where
92:26
people you know live their lives and
92:28
they feel inferior because of the power
92:31
system that's pushed onto them and this
92:35
is this is all going through Asia even
92:37
today like in before and then even still
92:39
now so a lot of people that grow up in
92:41
Asia even today they have this mentality
92:43
that okay I'm not good enough just just
92:47
for being Asian I'm not good enough like
92:49
I have to you know be more whatever be
92:53
more Western you don't I mean I have to
92:55
look a certain way I have to look a
92:57
certain way like a Western Beauty
92:59
standard or I have to talk a certain way
93:01
like a Western talking standard you know
93:03
and I'm not saying hey don't learn you
93:06
know things outside of your world and
93:09
don't learn things outside of your
93:11
country obviously learn these things or
93:12
I learn to speak you know five different
93:14
languages you know it is only beneficial
93:16
to you learn what's good about you know
93:18
certain countries in Europe and how they
93:21
manage their society and their lifestyle
93:23
and their productivity and their way of
93:24
life obviously learn those things learn
93:27
the American Way of life learn learn
93:28
learn learn learn learn is a good thing
93:30
learning there's nothing wrong with
93:31
learning the more you learn the more you
93:34
learn the better it is the more walk you
93:36
are the better but what I mean is don't
93:38
put things up on a pedestal when they're
93:41
not supposed to be there like identify
93:43
things that are useful to you and kind
93:45
of you know like Bruce Lee style like
93:47
what he said identify things are useful
93:49
to you and and assess them and absorb
93:51
them and use them but you don't have to
93:53
be so you know biased against yourself
93:57
because a lot of people grow up in in
94:00
Asia and they're they they don't
94:01
understand a lot of these things have
94:03
been pushed to them in terms of history
94:06
and you know the the Western powers and
94:09
stuff like that love you will go up and
94:10
they feel like they're sympathetic to
94:12
the West and they feel like they got the
94:13
Stockholm Syndrome going on when reality
94:17
you know reality is they actually
94:20
colonize your ass before so you know
94:22
people need to snap out of that a little
94:23
bit people need to stop I guess I'll
94:26
throw this word out there people need to
94:28
stop the white warship a bit you know
94:31
learn to love yourself first and then
94:33
you can love others and then and really
94:36
it comes down to the thing about
94:38
self-respect and you can respect
94:40
yourself first then other people will
94:41
respect you and I'll put a cap on that
94:43
and then I'll end it off that way so you
94:48
know you're talking about you know of
94:53
course your identity is unique can you
94:55
tell the viewers or listeners right now
94:57
what is the hawk identity and like tell
95:01
me that the history about it what what
95:03
is so unique about how people because I
95:05
don't know much about how could be born
95:07
and I don't think anybody else knows
95:08
about how come people so talking about
95:10
how people well to firstly start with I
95:14
think there was a consensus and I think
95:17
about 1990 or 1980 I'm not sure about
95:21
that but it was one third of the Hong
95:23
Kong Chinese people are in fact Hakka
95:24
Chinese people okay so I'm probably hot
95:27
covered well New Territories person well
95:34
I'm born in Hong Kong was born in
95:36
Kowloon my dad is my dad as Cantonese so
95:41
from from Guangzhou right and my mom is
95:45
Shanghainese okay well the thing is
95:49
actually yeah one-third of Hong Kong is
95:52
in fact octa but yeah they moved away
95:55
from the Hakka traditions the huckle
95:57
language and it's it's you know my idea
96:00
when when I first see from what I can
96:04
recall I think it was in 1990s when I
96:06
first went to Hong Kong I could still
96:08
remember you know that there was there
96:09
was Hong Kong was this wide array of
96:12
little dials because Cantonese it
96:15
doesn't encompass the entire province of
96:17
Canton it probably encompasses Cantonese
96:21
encompasses a part of Canton region
96:24
right yes
96:25
Canton we can't count on province
96:27
actually has a lot of dialects and I
96:29
really love them too
96:30
do you know that the reason I speak
96:32
Mandarin is for me to be able to be on
96:35
an academic level for Cantonese I also
96:38
speak Cantonese quite fluently it's
96:40
because you know a lot of my family
96:41
members are Cantonese and I like
96:43
Cantonese media but I couldn't find any
96:46
Hakka media and for me that's that's
96:48
quite a loss I'll get to the reason in
96:52
the moments but the thing is actually
96:53
when I was when I was first my first
96:56
recollection when I went to Hong Kong
96:58
somewhere in the 1990s was you know you
97:00
had a lot of people who were speaking
97:02
different dialects and it was just for
97:04
me it was like a colorful array this is
97:06
Hong Kong was about you know you have
97:08
Cantonese which is leading the way
97:10
because of convenience but it this way
97:13
because of Hong Kong media right so
97:16
comfortable Hong Kong media is a big
97:18
influence right big influence and I like
97:21
it for what it is you know I I like the
97:24
the improvised way that they shot action
97:26
movies and I improvised way that they
97:29
you know just just did with the means
97:31
that they had and they did a great job
97:32
you know they make unforgettable
97:34
classics yeah really
97:36
absolutely gettable classics but the
97:39
thing is actually for me in the media I
97:41
never saw return of any of the other
97:43
dialects III have a few memory per have
97:46
many members who are toys Shan Shan is
97:50
more or less popular people who are Y
97:53
tau Y tau is also a small Dalek mm-hmm
97:56
tanka I recently met actually a few
97:58
tonka people who don't really speak the
98:00
dialect they were which is quite a loss
98:01
you know because that the Cantonese
98:04
spoken identity is quite strong in Hong
98:07
Kong and they haven't done anything to
98:09
really make sure that Hong Kong remained
98:12
that the the house they did their first
98:15
society as it is because I think Hong
98:17
Kong as a strength actually has in its
98:20
diversity you're right you're right
98:23
actually because I went back recently
98:25
very very recently just a few weeks ago
98:28
and I saw that it was even more diverse
98:31
than I remembered I was actually
98:33
pleasantly surprised I was like this is
98:35
kind of cool I went back I saw more you
98:38
know Indians I saw more Pakistanis I saw
98:42
more I saw more wipey
98:44
I saw obviously a lot of mainland
98:47
Chinese people I saw some Japanese
98:49
people too so I liked that Hong Kong
98:51
well Hong Kong has always been an
98:52
international city but I like that it's
98:54
even more diverse now I think I think
98:57
that's good it's it's a good thing I
98:59
think it's a strength yeah definitely a
99:03
strength my idea about this so though
99:06
the media should emphasize a bit more
99:09
the media should also emphasize it
99:10
foreign because I get this asked a lot
99:13
you know they say well where'd it come
99:16
from I say I come from Netherlands oh so
99:18
your English must be very well I you
99:22
know something about mind says you
99:24
should not assume that my English is
99:25
very well or very good or you know you
99:27
should not assume that because and then
99:29
I have to explain in the Netherlands we
99:31
speak Dutch in Germany
99:32
we'll be speaking German yeah in Italy
99:35
we speak Italian you know so for them
99:37
it's like what are all these languages
99:39
you know sometimes people are really
99:41
like like you know foreign is English
99:44
that's what they think and for me like
99:46
no wake up you know it's it's not only
99:49
like that mmm I have Swedish family
99:51
members and the thing is I cannot speak
99:53
to them in Swedish my Swedish sucks
99:55
maybe but the thing is they speak
99:58
Cantonese I can speak Cantonese with
99:59
them you know so that that's you know
100:01
that's that's the wide variety of
100:03
languages and and thing and and how to
100:06
cope with with other cultures that that
100:08
that for me in Europe makes it more
100:11
convenient but getting back to to to
100:13
Hong Kong
100:14
I think the jaquez contributed quite a
100:19
lot to to very localized economies but
100:22
gradually the children their children
100:25
and their children's children started
100:27
you know pushing themselves away from
100:29
haka because there was also a short pier
100:31
there was also a period and which it was
100:33
was considered like oh you you you might
100:36
be bad you might you might not be
100:39
educated you might be very a rural
100:41
person if you speak haka I will tell you
100:43
this I am for example for my work I wear
100:47
a suit and tie and for most of the time
100:50
I'm quite well dressed and I still speak
100:52
fluently haka I had a few colleagues who
100:54
used to be haka and they're not speaking
100:57
orc Anthony
100:58
and they were like oh the association is
101:00
very weird for them you know mm-hmm
101:02
getting back to the to the the old ages
101:06
of the Hakka identity yeah where'd they
101:08
come from who were they who were they
101:10
yeah they were in basics they were
101:15
considered the nobility and the ruling
101:18
class of the Tang Dynasty why is that so
101:20
that they found old poems and all
101:24
phrases and know these things and they
101:26
can they only make sense if you
101:28
pronounce them in Hakka getting back to
101:32
more evidence getting back to more
101:34
evidence Korean Korean language ancient
101:39
Japanese and North Vietnamese it's still
101:41
a bit on the dispute but North
101:43
Vietnamese also they have they have
101:45
words that are direct directly uh are
101:50
you saying that they sound very similar
101:52
in Hakka give me an example
101:55
no no now I'm curious now I'm curious
101:58
you gotta give me some examples cool if
102:02
there are any Koreans listening I'll
102:04
start counting one to ten yeah I could
102:08
do that at Cantonese I Kohana said no
102:14
well I just count and I'll just let the
102:17
people analyze it for themselves start
102:19
with okay here it goes
102:21
eat me sound see mmm look see
102:26
but you see that was it there's counted
102:30
from one to ten that sounds almost real
102:33
listener okay okay go ahead what does it
102:36
sound like in Korean III I cannot
102:40
pronounce it in Korean but it definitely
102:42
has a large part of similarity I think I
102:46
thought that sounded more Japanese to me
102:49
each nice and she go rope seat hatched
102:53
cuju that sound more Japanese to me
102:55
actually Hakka Hakka is connected
102:58
through ancient Japanese as well yeah
103:00
and and the thing is that's where the
103:05
hot gas came from the jaquez were the
103:06
ruling class when when when all the
103:08
societies went to China because of
103:10
turn-based he was very open
103:11
learning they wanted to learn so they
103:13
invited all these other cultures here
103:15
coming learn from us we learn from you
103:16
but learn from us you know and that's
103:18
where the counting came from so you're
103:20
saying Hakka people were were Tang
103:22
Dynasty Emperor's they were basically
103:27
yeah that that's that's in short what I
103:31
say and no there's a nuance but yeah
103:35
that's basically where it came from
103:37
that's my idea at least and history
103:39
books also support this to a large
103:41
extent really interesting that you
103:43
mentioned that because because I heard
103:46
the same thing from my aunt and she said
103:50
that there was a certain dynasty within
103:53
Chinese history
103:55
I'm not sure if it was the Ming Dynasty
103:57
over it was the tang dynasty but sounds
104:00
like from what you're saying it's the
104:02
tang dynasty and they were saying how
104:04
there was a certain dynasty or where she
104:06
was saying how there was a certain
104:07
dynasty that spoke non Mandarin like
104:12
spoke Cantonese for example but now I
104:15
don't know if it's specifically
104:16
Cantonese or if it if it's Hakka but
104:19
they were saying the same thing that you
104:21
say Mandarin basically existed actually
104:25
for the last 300 years before that
104:27
Mandarin was basically a a tribe
104:31
language actually mm-hmm
104:33
Cantonese Cantonese is basically a
104:38
Cantonese has nine tones and they kept
104:40
their ancient tones very well the thing
104:42
is actually my Maya theory about is his
104:44
Cantonese is a descendant of the old
104:48
languages but it was mixed with very
104:50
local tones very local tones so the
104:55
thing was every every word or every
104:57
sentence every every verse or from the
105:00
north which was considered the
105:01
educational center that site through the
105:03
South which did the south
105:06
for example the Cantonese speaking group
105:09
would have accepted this this poem or
105:14
this this new word yeah mm-hmm they
105:16
would they would evolve it and mingle it
105:20
towards more than familiar sounds hmm
105:22
that's what what
105:24
what what developed in Canton no that
105:28
they basically this this that they were
105:31
always grounded and stationed in in in
105:35
Hong Kong or in Kowloon region and they
105:37
every new word that they got they they
105:41
modeled it towards their their familiar
105:43
sounds that's why for example in the
105:46
North you have a love the roar or a
105:47
sound right and the South you have a bit
105:49
more lively sounds yeah bit more lively
105:52
and they're much cleaner also to cut up
105:54
toes and also those those for the North
105:58
unfamiliar tones actually yeah what the
106:01
hackers were actually that they well
106:04
with every dynasty that comes there's
106:06
also times it goes and when the Tang
106:09
Dynasty was toppled they took their
106:11
household their their their their
106:15
personnel that they took their their
106:17
riches their royalties and etc noblemen
106:19
and artisans they took them all the way
106:22
southwards actually and to the Fujian
106:24
region you have the puja round houses
106:27
the two loaves hmm and they were they
106:30
were actually the first they at that
106:33
time they were nobility so they had
106:35
money so they need to build defensive
106:37
structures to be able to to defend
106:40
themselves and they were using at that
106:41
time the most latest newest technology
106:45
in defensive structures which they could
106:47
muster and they built these around not
106:49
all around that they're usually around
106:51
and the thing was actually wild around
106:53
because they don't have corners to
106:55
protect you know if you fuck if you
107:00
fought in Europe and you would have to
107:02
topple a medieval castle you would take
107:04
the corners because those are the most
107:06
fragile ones and these things you had a
107:08
round structure which is like a small
107:10
fort which had no corners so this was
107:14
one of the novelties that they had yes
107:21
yes it's it's written in history books
107:24
and it's like this and for me it's a
107:27
very sound reason and even the Japanese
107:29
pirates which were quite well known for
107:31
being heavily armed and battle savvy
107:34
that they left the two lows alone
107:36
basically
107:37
you had a peasant army inside who could
107:40
just arrow down every every because the
107:44
Japanese warfare was based on on getting
107:47
the center you know and I'm taking a
107:49
center and they're from conquering all
107:51
the sides but the thing is and actually
107:53
if you run alongside of a to low and
107:55
wanting to get to the center of these
107:58
these area with a lot to lows actually
108:02
there is no center mmm run around the TV
108:04
gets shot by an arrow hmm and so so
108:07
their armies were constantly being waved
108:08
in waved in and they're costly being
108:10
slaughtered so eventually they left the
108:12
two lows alone actually intersects haka
108:15
culture actually for it for a time could
108:18
thrive quite harmoniously over there
108:20
until they noticed that the the the new
108:24
dynasty government sent in there there
108:28
are you say there century units and
108:31
they're there police etc and they found
108:34
oh these are the people from this these
108:36
are the nobility of the old dynasty we
108:39
should wipe them out you know so a lot
108:41
of pockets that they were they were
108:42
afraid and they went further in
108:44
southwards ending eventually in the in
108:50
Guangdong region and made so also a bit
108:52
but also in Guangdong region a lot hmm
108:56
yeah that this being eventually also
108:59
being mingled with countries and also
109:01
moving southwards to its Malaysia to
109:03
with Singapore which Indonesia hmm
109:05
because they're really afraid because
109:06
they had that royal blood and if they
109:09
have royal blood you know and if you're
109:10
associated with Hakka then it's okay you
109:13
know this is new dynasty so we're gonna
109:15
have to kill ya you know mmm so so the
109:20
thing was actually they move downwards
109:22
and they also had a this was a haka
109:25
booty or at a bull day this meaning the
109:28
locals were already there because you
109:30
had a new wave coming and there was like
109:32
fighting for resources dehaka's
109:34
eventually that they settled for a very
109:37
inferred at that time in fertile lands
109:40
in the mountains because nobody wants it
109:42
because you cannot have a you know you
109:44
cannot plant stuff on a on a slope mmm
109:47
but eventually they found in
109:51
innovate pays to be able to plan stuff
109:55
have crops and have food and have
109:57
irrigation on these slopes so that's
110:00
that's in southern China in in southern
110:06
China region yen not upwards so flu ten
110:12
and it would have been seat ROM wouldn't
110:15
it wouldn't have been seat one seat Ron
110:21
is known for mountainous regions as well
110:23
or or rather region with a lot of hills
110:27
yeah yeah okay those those are the quite
110:30
high ones but also also local skirmishes
110:33
and you don't really need a very high
110:35
mountain no anything right was also yeah
110:37
hilly area you know which is which is
110:40
quite difficult to have a a Greek or on
110:43
it right right but even then they for
110:46
the sake of survival they had to to make
110:51
that ground useful for for planting soil
110:54
and anything for the Saturday right and
110:57
that's you're saying that Hakka people
111:00
eventually went from that to like all
111:04
the way to spreading like
111:05
internationally you said yeah well that
111:09
there was a there was uprising and
111:12
that's where my righteous part comes
111:14
comes into play you know the Ching
111:16
dynasty you it was selling China out on
111:18
a massive scale yeah you know that they
111:20
are there are some some writings about
111:24
why and how but my basic idea in short
111:27
it doesn't my basic idea in short is the
111:30
Ching dynasty first they conquered China
111:32
in probably 1600 something mm-hmm and
111:37
they had a whole of China they were
111:39
proud you know and let's let's let's
111:41
build this court let's let's you know
111:43
because they had the richest they were
111:44
suddenly they were shifted from from
111:47
tribesmen warring tribesmen into
111:50
nobility no they were they were the
111:52
Emperor's the were the courts they were
111:54
etc and gradually you know that they
111:57
went in China was falling asleep
112:00
actually that that's best word to use
112:02
over here they're falling asleep
112:04
and they sort of got too comfortable
112:06
with their own courts and they didn't
112:08
care about China nor China in total
112:10
anymore they just care about their
112:11
courts that their extended family
112:13
members and that all their courtesans
112:15
and and that their nobility was well in
112:17
fact so they were they were whatever
112:19
happened to the large extent of China
112:21
that they're being attacked they cared
112:23
but not so much they cared mostly about
112:26
their courts yeah they only care about
112:28
themselves which had a good lifestyle
112:30
yeah yeah so that's basically my theory
112:33
on why they because in essence they are
112:36
amongst amongst the group of ethnic
112:39
groups of Chinese but there are
112:42
basically there are molecules or tribes
112:45
from the north actually so major
112:47
beginnings were caring about China etc
112:50
but in the end that they sort of only
112:53
cared about their small you know the
112:56
lifestyles yeah about about if China was
113:00
bleeding empty you know yeah they only
113:03
care about their own ethnic yeah and
113:06
that's when the the Hakka Chinese sort
113:08
of like you know we used to be the the
113:11
Hakka Chinese also had a small revival
113:14
Renaissance I would use actually in a
113:16
Ming Dynasty and so those are the two
113:19
dynasties which had specifically Hakka
113:22
influenced the tang dynasty a small part
113:25
of the Song Dynasty I think but
113:26
definitely the the the Ming Dynasty and
113:28
they were used to when they were were
113:32
ousted in the Ming Dynasty they were
113:33
still used to the the the places in the
113:36
north you know they had their maps they
113:38
had their battle plans they were all
113:39
generals actually and the thing was
113:42
actually they were there was the Ching
113:44
dynasty was selling China out by masses
113:46
by the day China's getting poor no they
113:49
thought no we need to reclaim that
113:51
throne we need we need to be the
113:52
righteous ones to reclaim that throne
113:54
and they they they was spearheaded by
113:57
Hakka generals who wanted to say okay
114:00
we're bleeding and now we should retake
114:02
it now
114:03
you know but the thing was actually the
114:05
Qing had help from their their friend
114:08
enemies put it this way and they had
114:10
guns and etc so they were sir they're
114:12
the the the peasant army which was a
114:15
really peasant army
114:17
spearheaded the haka generals with with
114:19
all all the things that they could
114:20
muster they were marching towards
114:22
Beijing and I'm trying to reclaim
114:24
actually China as being Chinese
114:28
but it's so for context for historical
114:34
back which saw in my bed for for
114:37
historical context which dynasty came
114:39
first was it song and then song tang and
114:45
then Ming like tell tell us the orders I
114:48
think it was okay from me a long time
114:51
code it was the Han Dynasty
114:53
that's where Han Chinese came from then
114:56
you had a few dynasties and then he had
114:57
a tang dynasty was around nine hundred
114:59
something I think a bit before hmm
115:01
and then you had the the I think one or
115:05
two dynasties but then the UN dynasty
115:08
the UN dynasty was a Mongol dynasty
115:10
carnot cetera hmm and then you had a few
115:14
smaller dynasties with with a lot of
115:17
turmoil and one one one of the later
115:21
dynasties from from I think 1500
115:24
something correct me if I'm wrong it was
115:26
the Ming Dynasty the Ming Dynasty could
115:28
affirm staple or on China saying okay we
115:33
can close our borders
115:34
you're gonna restructure our countries
115:36
and and you know we're gonna revert to
115:41
old ways which was which was good but
115:43
also bad hmm
115:45
and they basically they because they
115:47
they weren't focusing on health care on
115:50
arts on developing themselves again hmm
115:53
but they were not fully aware that you
115:56
know in Europe we have a breeding nest
116:00
of warmongering colonists not really
116:04
worth it so so the Ming Dynasty was like
116:07
yeah we have gunpowder we have an army
116:11
but we will we all focus on pottery will
116:16
focus on arts will focus on medicine
116:18
medicines good you know for health care
116:20
right so that really advanced
116:22
technologies and those things and this
116:24
is what a a peaceful society would aim
116:27
for they would aim for the higher arts
116:28
they would aim for for having a
116:31
just a painting no but they would it
116:33
would paint with with yeah with with a
116:36
passion you know because they they
116:38
wanted to create an art actually
116:40
absolutely you know that barbarians on
116:43
their borders that was like okay in a
116:45
furious time will crumble your country
116:48
you know mm-hmm that's the thing yeah
116:51
getting back to a and the the the the
116:54
dynasty which I'm focusing on is it's
116:56
just a switching point of Ming Dynasty
116:59
towards the Ching dynasty and then the
117:01
end
117:01
mmm-hmm you had the Ming Dynasty which
117:03
was the Renaissance of the the Hakka
117:06
people and then they were ousted for the
117:08
Ching dynasty hmm and the remnants of
117:13
the Ming Dynasty which has a lot of I
117:17
would say they're well established in
117:19
martial arts as well you you find in
117:21
fact in because the loyalists of the
117:23
Ming Dynasty also have a certain
117:24
greeting no you have the the traditional
117:28
right hand and right hand fist and left
117:31
hand folded greeting in martial arts
117:32
where did that come from
117:34
with which dynasty did that come from
117:36
you said no it's it's the most common
117:40
one it's it's from Confucius actually
117:42
okay the right hand is a fist it's the
117:45
right hand is a fist and I can use it to
117:48
hurt you but I'm holding my left hand as
117:50
a as a envelopment of that fist right
117:54
and paying my respect as I I can't with
117:57
all yeah very very interesting I did I
118:01
personally did not know that part I
118:04
thought it was just a general greeting
118:06
from from you know coming from kung fu
118:08
coming from Chinese martial arts well
118:11
they have a lot of differences and I'll
118:14
tell you if you if you're into
118:15
traditional stuff just also go to back
118:18
may but may is one of the few really
118:22
aggressive martial arts it's aimed for
118:24
attack actually hmm and it has a
118:26
specific greeting as well which has a
118:28
lot of meaning to it which I won't delve
118:30
into but find it yourself
118:32
it's very interesting mmm-hmm but okay
118:34
so the loyalists of the Ming Dynasty
118:36
they all had their secret hand greetings
118:38
which if you were encountering opponent
118:40
and you would have a quarrel with them
118:42
and you say okay
118:44
my kind sir I I will challenge you to a
118:49
duel
118:49
yeah and then you would do the hand
118:51
greeting to engage your opponent and you
118:54
see that and you were like but you also
118:55
annoy least of the meanness yeah me too
118:57
you're like okay you know we have
118:59
greater battles to fight yeah yeah yeah
119:02
yeah you know it Shaw Brothers films
119:06
meet that they even they would travel
119:08
around they'd be like throw up a hand
119:10
sign to be like oh yeah I'm part of the
119:12
Ming Dynasty poncing fuck me yeah you
119:17
know them all I guess you know them all
119:18
yeah yeah well I don't know the actual
119:21
hand signs but yeah well just look into
119:25
them I'll explain them into detail in
119:28
another time maybe it's funny because
119:31
they were basically throwing up gang
119:32
signs they were the origin of gang signs
119:40
right there Chinese history gang sign
119:42
Ming Dynasty loyalists yeah and they
119:47
would say even if you're from rival
119:49
gangs you know and you could tell that
119:50
by the the the signs which they were
119:53
like okay you know we should not be
119:54
fighting each other we have greater Wars
119:56
to fight this is not this this should
119:58
not happen you know so that's the thing
120:00
how even the the the Chinese revert
120:04
pirates they said even have Chinese
120:06
pirates that they even have their code
120:08
of honor and a code of conduct and there
120:10
was actually on the turning point of the
120:13
Ming and Qing Dynasty there was also
120:15
these captains you know who were Navy
120:19
ship commanders am I supposed to now
120:22
turn to my loyalty the Ching dynasty but
120:24
that will return into piracy hmm and
120:26
they turn into vicious pirates actually
120:28
hmm but the Ching dynasty initially with
120:32
their beginnings they had good intention
120:34
for China as always you know every every
120:36
dynasty had good intentions but it
120:39
quickly you know I think two hundred two
120:42
hundred years later and everything fell
120:44
into decay and that's also when when
120:47
about the same time the Hakka Chinese
120:49
rose again and said okay we have to
120:51
reclaim the throne we have to get this
120:53
because we are we are being invaded we
120:57
leaving empty we're being we being put
121:00
against each other we are Chinese
121:01
brothers no but we could put against
121:04
each other just by no just put it this
121:06
way it's democracy or communism or
121:09
socialism all these Chinese my are these
121:12
Chinese standards they never wore
121:14
actually I you know I could ask any
121:17
person no it's it's these are not
121:19
Chinese standards it's all European
121:20
standards yeah
121:25
sorry hold your thought right there cuz
121:28
funny funny you mentioned like okay um
121:31
you know Qin Dynasty drove out you know
121:33
Ming Dynasty and then people who were
121:34
Ming Dynasty loyalists including the
121:36
Hakka people you know got driven down
121:38
the south and stuff like that what's one
121:39
interesting to note oh yeah and you said
121:41
some of them became pirates too right
121:43
is that what you said yeah so it's a
121:47
very interesting to note is like during
121:49
that time people might not know this is
121:51
that then they form like you know the
121:54
underground secret societies that were
121:57
you know martial arts sex and things
122:00
like that and religious sects and things
122:02
like that that were you know anti chain
122:05
government and they want to restore Ming
122:06
Dynasty oh that's all that type of stuff
122:08
and that's what led to actually the
122:11
origin of Chinese triads so people don't
122:16
drew people people don't you know who
122:18
don't know that people don't think about
122:20
that so they think like okay Chinese
122:22
triads are you know bad and stuff like
122:24
that obviously you know they I'm not
122:26
saying they're good you know they do a
122:28
lot of crime human trafficking jobs
122:30
things like that but originally when
122:33
Chinese Triad started out it was it was
122:37
meant to be a good thing they were they
122:39
were meant to be sort of like an
122:40
underground resistance type of people
122:43
you know Ming loyalist want to overthrow
122:46
the government you know a guerrilla
122:49
fighters like whatever you want to call
122:51
it whatever you want to turn them that
122:53
does basically what they were and then
122:55
you know eventually you know they lost
122:57
focus and then they you know things
122:59
happen and obviously history not being
123:03
kind of them and and eventually they
123:04
they just moved into just being being
123:06
actual gangsters but you know originally
123:10
they started out with good intentions
123:11
and that's what that they're the the
123:14
origin of triads were is that they they
123:16
have a term called eyeball right like
123:18
they love the country right they love
123:21
the country so much that they don't want
123:24
to see it fall into decay so they become
123:28
sort of like the rebel or they become
123:32
the the rebel faction which eventually
123:36
is known as triads but the origin is
123:40
that they are patriotic to the country
123:43
that's that's all I want to add yeah
123:46
well also adding to that you know that
123:49
they the Triads at that time really had
123:51
that code of comment every buddy who was
123:54
in that triad region must pay tribute to
123:56
tried so they can conduct their business
123:57
but they wouldn't like for example or
124:01
robbed a a old lady who would who is not
124:05
being able to take care of herself in
124:07
fact that there are a lot of tried
124:09
instances and a lot of instances trying
124:11
history at which the Triads actually
124:14
support communities actually people who
124:16
are not able to take care of themselves
124:18
money was given you know and the the
124:21
thing was actually also also in terms of
124:23
of justice for example if you if you
124:26
borrowed somebody's money and didn't pay
124:27
back and the people amongst each other
124:30
and the tribe would know about this then
124:33
they would seek out the person and they
124:35
would also like being hey you know
124:37
what's this you know so that the small
124:40
tribunals also also there the sense of
124:43
righteousness was correct in the core at
124:46
least you know so so that's very very
124:49
interesting to to put as a side note
124:51
yeah but getting back to the to the
124:54
grand the part of the story is that they
124:57
do the Hakka people waged wars against
124:59
that the the Ching dynasty was heavy on
125:02
the influence of opium and and always
125:05
listening to their to their foreign
125:07
friend enemy
125:09
actually who supplied them with new
125:11
gadgets new technology while the country
125:13
was robbed blank we're how come people
125:16
involved in the Taiping rebellion yes
125:20
definitely the the the leader was a
125:24
Hakka origin I see and all the generals
125:26
were were were Jaquez that they were
125:29
definitely Jaquez and they the thing was
125:33
actually the Hakka the reason why I am
125:36
quite easily being able to speak
125:38
Cantonese and also quite easily being
125:40
able to speak Mandarin is because Hakka
125:42
is situated in the middle it's a quite
125:45
large line it used to be quite large
125:46
language situated situated in the middle
125:49
this meaning I can adapt to Cantonese
125:51
and I can adapt to Mandarin this made
125:53
them very hard to say versatile hmm and
125:57
they had that quite big successes until
126:00
they were pushed downwards but by of
126:03
course gunpowder and and and cannons
126:06
mm-hmm but they established for short
126:08
period they established the Tai ping it
126:11
was called the Taiping rebellion but for
126:13
short period they were able to establish
126:15
the Taiping kingdom in South China
126:17
region actually Wow
126:20
yeah compasses quite a lot and and this
126:23
was quite a feat but you know the the
126:26
thing was it was ill managed because
126:28
they were it was ill managed and all the
126:31
you know if you have a war yeah I have a
126:34
common goal once you start okay we're
126:37
not gonna take the north anymore we're
126:39
gonna establish a kingdom okay but you
126:41
take this part you take this part out to
126:43
that part but the thing was the common
126:45
goal was gone so the focus was like
126:47
really being self-centered again and
126:50
people started doing their own stuff and
126:52
that's this how did the kingdom actually
126:53
fell also because everybody was doing
126:55
their own stuff again the common goal
126:57
for toppling the Ching dynasty was lost
126:59
it was it was um it was not toppled so
127:03
with with that mission incomplete
127:05
actually they went back and stablished
127:08
the kingdom when this Kingdom when a
127:10
tie-pin Kingdom having Kingdom fell the
127:14
hottest new okay we're in deep trouble
127:15
now some stuff speaking Hakka
127:17
some changed the surname you have the
127:20
the infamous Black Flag army
127:22
was a rebel general which went to North
127:26
Vietnam and that's that's where we're
127:28
Hakka people in North Vietnam should be
127:31
there are actually right now they're
127:33
still descendants of this Black Flag
127:35
army which was like a rock-hard like
127:38
going crazy chemical army that was put
127:41
on for the most difficult missions they
127:43
pulled it up every time so it was like
127:46
wow you know these are the old ages and
127:48
and you know also a lot of the old
127:51
traditional martial arts are encompassed
127:53
in in the Hakka lexicon of martial art
127:56
for example you have a style which is
127:59
called beggar style it's vagabond style
128:03
I don't know if ever heard of this yeah
128:05
movies man they make they make movies
128:07
out of everything so like what you just
128:09
mentioned Black Flag army and all that
128:11
stuff that was all in one way home one
128:13
once upon time in China one and and
128:16
you're saying beggar style yeah beggar
128:18
style so hungee
128:20
so how he is yeah to Mun Chuck I'm sorry
128:24
I'm probably saying his name wrong
128:25
Vincent Zhao played that plate place
128:28
Allah Yi Stephen Chow played so long a
128:31
beggar so yeah yeah and interesting
128:36
thing about what I know about the Vegas
128:38
style is actually it also has an idea of
128:41
waiting for whatever cost because as a
128:43
beggar why did they became beggars
128:45
because they were they were high ranked
128:47
officials who are really like not
128:51
wanting to do anything with a war again
128:52
they they wanted to move away from the
128:55
world this was actually before the Ming
128:58
Dynasty actually I'm not sure but anyway
129:03
they moved away from warfare they said
129:06
okay we have a lot of these knowledge of
129:11
warfare etcetera and I don't want these
129:13
politics anymore that's basically also
129:15
the Taoists way of doing you know you
129:17
you're not gonna choose a or b you're
129:19
gonna walk away and let a and B fight
129:21
for themselves and come back when it's
129:23
peaceful time or not you know a very
129:26
Taoists way of thinking I'm not sure I
129:29
agree with that well I I can I can walk
129:35
from a Western point of view
129:37
IIIi can't imagine that that you have to
129:39
choose factions or yeah if you have to
129:41
choose sides for example but basically
129:43
what what the the I'm not I'm not saying
129:46
you have to choose now I'm not saying
129:48
you have to choose sides but I guess in
129:50
the context of okay something's going on
129:55
in the world right something some
129:56
injustice is happening right and are we
129:59
just gonna sit by and let it happen
130:00
that's the part I don't agree with right
130:02
okay no no that's that's true but I'll
130:06
tell you the other side of story is
130:07
actually when when two countries fight
130:10
it's probably not your war
130:12
right right right of course the
130:13
Netherlands fights with Belgium
130:15
regarding you know the taste of
130:17
chocolates and lemons is better with
130:18
chocolate no the Belgians are better no
130:20
and let's go to war you know because our
130:22
chocolates are better no it's not our
130:24
fight it's not my fight you know I don't
130:25
care about your chocolates oh yeah yeah
130:27
yeah yeah in that in that sense yes of
130:29
course yes so so but the probably the
130:36
interesting also adding to this
130:39
information is also that they they had a
130:42
lot of knowledge of alchemy black
130:44
alchemy and white alchemy and they say
130:46
well this contributed to the part of the
130:49
part of ninjutsu also actually that you
130:52
know the the the Ninja is a very
130:55
intricate knowledge of how alchemy works
130:57
I see well that they say well problem
131:00
probably is also because these people
131:02
who are like weary of warfare and they
131:06
just went to other countries and started
131:08
practicing their art there and this
131:10
evolved for a small part contributed to
131:14
to ninjutsu also but when once the
131:17
Taiping rebellion was was raging they
131:20
were really needing recruits and they
131:22
were also recruiting beggars up in their
131:25
ranks because they had advanced
131:27
knowledge of very unorthodox warfare and
131:29
unorthodox way of approaching stuff and
131:32
they were really how do you say they had
131:35
a respectable rank in in the army you
131:39
know reinstated but it easily
131:42
hmm so it's interesting actually so
131:48
you know I want to kind of like put a
131:52
stamp on it and and wrap it up a little
131:54
bit so is there any final things you
131:57
want to say about how people and then
131:58
now I'll end it off with a question for
132:00
you good
132:04
well I would like to see a good balance
132:06
of the return of haka as a language was
132:09
spoken and I would also like to see you
132:11
more people active in the media because
132:13
it's inside you it's your identity it's
132:15
your how do you say your colorful
132:17
identity of within the Chinese ranks
132:20
actually know and like Cantonese like
132:23
like win Sony's like Shanghainese you
132:25
know they have their their own specifics
132:27
and I would like to see haka also have
132:29
their respectable level of hotness back
132:32
again yeah that's that's interesting you
132:34
bring that up and I'll wrap it up for
132:36
you based on that you know Mandarin
132:39
being such a strong influence right
132:40
Beijing being such a strong influence
132:42
with the government and everything like
132:43
that
132:44
Mandarin being being the you know de
132:46
facto Chinese language within China
132:48
obviously it erases it erases a lot of
132:53
the local dialects local cultures and
132:55
stuff like that because new generations
132:57
you know babies that are born in China
132:59
they're only gonna speak Mandarin so
133:00
they're not gonna be able to speak you
133:02
know Russia dialect or you know pseudo
133:05
dialect or you know Shanghainese dialect
133:09
and etc etc etc so I do feel like
133:12
they're somebody right and I don't know
133:15
who that would be that would have to be
133:17
somebody from you know the Hakka lineage
133:21
or somebody from the Shanghainese
133:23
lineage whatever it is locally from
133:26
there they have to produce their own
133:28
books and their own media and whatever
133:31
it is that they have to come up and do
133:33
that for themselves there because I
133:34
would or actually it might take a
133:38
foreigner right it might take a
133:40
foreigner that has fell in love with a
133:44
certain part of the you know culture in
133:46
China or the certain language in China
133:49
they fell in love with that thing and
133:51
then they try and preserve it because
133:53
they see an importance in preserving it
133:56
whereas a person that is you know on the
133:59
ground level living in China they don't
134:01
see the importance
134:02
because they don't they don't live
134:03
outside of the thing they're just living
134:05
within that ecosystem so they think oh
134:07
whatever it's part of everyday life it
134:08
doesn't really matter actually Japanese
134:12
scientists are really like trying to get
134:17
how do you say archiving and recording
134:20
all the old tones of haka because they
134:22
know it's it's certainly part in their
134:25
you know in their old heritage it
134:27
certainly is there's part in that
134:29
because you know I can list a well I
134:33
have a list of my computer with all the
134:36
words that that sound near similar to
134:38
haka in Japanese so they have they have
134:41
the money they have the time and they
134:43
have the the academics for it and that
134:46
there are a few Japanese scientists who
134:49
are really looking into haka culture
134:51
because they say well it is probably the
134:54
the origin tone of ancient Japanese
134:57
that's really really interesting I would
135:01
think like you know you know Japanese
135:04
people are kind of rooted in their
135:06
political sort of ways and they they
135:08
kind of like don't want to admit that
135:10
they they are you know not actually from
135:13
Japan that they're like ethnically a
135:15
different group of people and stuff like
135:17
that so it's interesting you brought
135:19
that up
135:19
yeah and just what to add for that you
135:22
know I understand the importance of
135:24
management and that the the the power
135:26
which is the current day has you know
135:28
I've been to Thailand and people if you
135:31
don't speak Thai you don't want to speak
135:33
English you can't speak Mandarin and you
135:35
know it's it's more accepted nowadays I
135:37
think wow this is great
135:38
you know I even met Cantonese people
135:40
over there by the way but understanding
135:42
that Mandarin is the overall language
135:44
and I am understand that Catanese has a
135:46
very strong and very likable media
135:49
influence I really like that the
135:51
Cantonese have a really found and found
135:54
that identity within China also you know
135:56
but just my dear port is for example so
135:59
in fact you know time yeah yeah he is
136:01
he's Hakka yeah lastly check that the
136:06
the singer yeah he is also Hakka yeah I
136:09
think there's some how they have
136:11
suppressed that identity and I like that
136:14
to be a bit more balanced
136:15
Stinney open not saying your let's let's
136:17
overlap and let's do mass media no no no
136:20
not like that I would like to see more
136:21
balanced view you know that people want
136:23
to have haka media they're able to do
136:26
that yeah I don't know it it's great
136:28
that you brought that up because now
136:30
that you've bringing this up okay now
136:32
now we can't end it now I got to keep
136:34
going so you mentioned that you like the
136:38
fact that Hong Kong media you know has
136:40
kept Cantonese identity alive and
136:42
everything like that I totally agree
136:44
with you and let me get into this for a
136:46
second because okay I'm from Hong Kong
136:47
so obviously I'm gonna be proud of my
136:49
Hong Kong identity but if you when it
136:52
comes to media right when it comes to
136:54
media obviously I'm also involved in in
136:56
media as well so when it comes to media
136:58
here's a huge problem I have with China
137:00
so Chinese media is so backwards to me
137:05
right and I've been into China and I've
137:08
have mainland Chinese friends and I've
137:10
talked to them and stuff like that and
137:11
they largely agree with me they're like
137:13
Chinese media is very kind of one tone
137:16
right it's always like okay let's do
137:19
some historical courtroom dramas
137:22
I sort of like historical you know
137:24
dramas based on like the courts and the
137:27
Emperor's and stuff like that and then
137:29
any TV show or whatever it's always like
137:32
okay Japanese are the enemy Japanese are
137:35
the enemy okay so it doesn't allow for
137:39
artistic freedom because of censorship
137:41
sand stuff so it doesn't allow people to
137:43
really truly talk about what they want
137:45
to talk about right what they truly feel
137:48
about the state of life existentialism
137:51
state of the country things like that
137:53
they can't talk about anything like that
137:54
so they always just go back to the same
137:56
old tired stories right soso Chinese
137:59
media in fact is just doing a really
138:01
shitty job at you know you know just
138:05
just making good art right that they're
138:07
really bad at making good art is because
138:09
art is supposed to reflect real life and
138:12
they can't make any art that reflects
138:14
real life because the censorship because
138:16
of the political tones so that's why
138:20
I've come in on this I'll figure you
138:22
know this yeah but okay you know I'm not
138:26
finished yet
138:26
I'm not finish it so okay
138:29
so the difference is when Hong Kong
138:31
became you know you know one of the
138:33
colonies you know along with Macau but
138:36
Hong Kong was very unique in the sense
138:37
that okay after it was British colony
138:39
yes
138:40
you know British colony colonisation is
138:42
a bad thing yes I understand that
138:44
bah blah blah blah but you know let's
138:47
look at it in terms of the positive side
138:49
let's look at okay what has British
138:52
colonisation done for Hong Kong and in a
138:55
lot of ways it has done a lot of
138:56
positive things so obviously you know
138:59
with with law with education with you
139:03
know the way things are run you know
139:06
it's much more advanced you you can say
139:10
again you know people from mainland
139:12
China they're gonna try and dispute this
139:14
and they're gonna say no that's not true
139:17
but my argument is and and here's my
139:21
proof of this I'll just I'll just prove
139:23
it to you like I've been to you know
139:25
several cities in China now I've had
139:27
mainland Chinese friends who've never
139:29
visited Hong Kong before but once I have
139:31
a one mainland Chinese friend who's very
139:33
very very proud to be you know from
139:34
Beijing China right and you know he's
139:36
very very cocky right what it was is
139:38
like you know being proud of China
139:39
everything okay so the second he stepped
139:42
foot into Hong Kong he fell in love with
139:45
it he's like you know Hong Kong's my
139:46
favorite city right so basically he did
139:48
a 180 he's like no no I'm super pro
139:50
Beijing I'm super China and then a
139:52
second e78 Hong Kong he's like oh my god
139:54
like this is what the potential this is
139:56
what the true potential of Chinese
139:58
civilization can be so once he got there
140:00
he fell in love with Hong Kong I fell in
140:02
love with the great things about Gaga
140:03
and everything like that so then I was
140:05
like I was pointing the finger at him I
140:06
was like hey you see what I mean like
140:07
you you you you talk a lot of shit about
140:10
you know British colonisation being a
140:12
bad thing and things like that and I get
140:14
it from a historical standpoint I know
140:15
it's not the nicest thing but it also
140:19
brought a lot of and I don't wanna sound
140:21
like you know Stockholm Syndrome person
140:23
here right now but what I mean is it
140:25
brought a lot of technological reform
140:27
and an advancement and then society
140:29
reform and advancements and in a way and
140:32
let me get back in the media part real
140:34
quick in a way because it brought a
140:38
sense of stability and prosperity to the
140:41
region
140:42
the city of Hong Kong to the region of
140:44
Hong Kong it allowed Hong Kong arts to
140:48
thrive and evolve and it goes back to
140:51
the art topic now
140:53
so for for art to develop you know the
140:56
economy has to be good so with the
140:57
economy being good and allows people to
141:00
pursue art and then when it allows
141:02
people to pursue art that's when you
141:04
start getting things that become
141:07
artistically significant and culturally
141:09
significant and then when you're able to
141:13
start producing works of art that become
141:15
culturally and an artistically
141:17
significant that contributes back to
141:20
your personal identity and personal
141:21
history that's when you start you know
141:25
getting yourself into that golden age
141:27
that flow era where everything you touch
141:30
is gold and it starts influence in the
141:33
entire world and we have to have to have
141:36
to talk about Hong Kong cinema okay
141:38
because Hong Kong cinema and Hong Kong
141:40
stars are completely on another level
141:43
when it comes to Chinese culture then
141:46
Chinese stars and Chinese media it's as
141:49
a complete difference okay so every when
141:52
it comes to dynasty when it comes to
141:53
Dynasty lifestyle podcast when it comes
141:55
to dynasty as a brand everything like
141:57
that ties together it all ties together
141:59
so for foreigners for Americans for fur
142:03
fur fur for anybody you know that's not
142:05
Chinese the first thing that they were
142:09
contacted with that they got in touch
142:11
with Chinese culture was from Hong Kong
142:14
it was produced from Hong Kong it was
142:16
films from Hong Kong cold food films
142:19
from Hong Kong action movies from Hong
142:22
Kong they were all Hong Kong Chinese
142:24
talent they were not talent from China
142:26
their talent from Hong Kong
142:28
so chow yun-fat right John Woo right the
142:32
killer a better tomorrow all that heroic
142:35
bloodshed all Hong Kong Chinese movies
142:37
obviously John Woo himself was was
142:39
Taiwanese person but he got his movie
142:44
start in the Hong Kong film industry
142:46
right you want to go back even more Shaw
142:48
Brothers right the whole Hong Kong Kong
142:50
foo film craze that swept America 70s 80
142:54
whatever okay Bruce Lee right all those
142:57
people are from the Hong Kong movie
143:01
industry it was the Hong Kong movie
143:03
industry that propelled them to that
143:05
level you want to talk about Jet Li
143:07
right here he a hero in China right he
143:10
wasn't a hero in China at the very
143:12
beginning in the very beginning he was
143:13
making like a few Rimon be per day in
143:16
his in his Shaolin movies he was broke
143:18
he was like no I had to find a better
143:20
way to do this so he came over to Hong
143:22
Kong sign some contracts with some with
143:25
some you know China Hong Kong movie
143:26
companies and then he found superstardom
143:30
in the Hong Kong film industry with once
143:33
upon a time in China and then boom he
143:34
was a household name so you know Chinese
143:38
people from the mainland loved to argue
143:39
that like hey you know like Hong Kong
143:42
people you know this and that like you
143:44
need to be you know you know you need to
143:46
check yourself even you come back into
143:48
Chinese society and stuff like that yeah
143:49
that I agree with but at the same time
143:51
you guys are doing a shit job with
143:53
Chinese media you're some saying the
143:55
Chinese move the Chinese mainland movies
143:58
that you make the Chinese mainland TV
144:00
shows that you make none of it is deep
144:03
none of it is deep none of it is
144:05
creative it's all the same shit same
144:08
shit
144:09
saying shit people are tired of that why
144:11
do people watch Hollywood movies why
144:13
don't we try these people mainland
144:14
Chinese people flocked to Hollywood
144:15
movies or what did mainland Chinese
144:17
people flock to Hong Kong and they
144:18
flocked to watch Hong Kong movies it's
144:20
because it's creative its artistic
144:22
there's real meaning in there because
144:25
we're allowed the artistic freedom to do
144:28
whatever we want if we want to talk shit
144:30
about countries or we want to talk shit
144:32
about the we want to criticize our own
144:34
government whatever we're allowed to do
144:35
that if we want to talk about triads and
144:38
we want to say how macho they are we
144:40
stop we want to see how cool they are we
144:42
can say that but Chinese censorship is
144:44
like no you can't say that you can't
144:45
show your Chinese triads in a cool way
144:47
okay well then a lot of the machoism is
144:49
gone a lot of the masculinity is gone
144:52
right so you can't be like oh you know
144:57
show a vicious violent you know you know
145:01
triad character or or or rebellious you
145:04
know Chinese
145:05
because because he can't be rebellious
145:07
because that would mean you're you're
145:08
causing rebellion against the Chinese
145:10
government no no if he if you want to
145:13
make a main character he has to be
145:14
heroic he has to be pro China he has to
145:16
be like a government hero he has it
145:18
could be a government servant that's it
145:20
he can only be rebellious to outside
145:22
forces but he can't rebellious be
145:24
rebellious to his own Chinese population
145:26
so that that there lies in a paradox
145:28
there lies in a conspiracy there lies in
145:30
a problem because there's all ties back
145:32
to Chinese kung-fu now so it means okay
145:35
you have to Train Chinese kung-fu you
145:37
have to do Chinese kung-fu but if you
145:38
say anything bad about Chinese Gogu
145:39
you're you're off the radar like we're
145:41
not gonna support you so that's a
145:43
self-fulfilling poison is a
145:45
self-fulfilling prophecies
145:46
self-fulfilling poison so which is why
145:49
so important that Hong Kong is on a
145:52
world stage it's so important to have a
145:53
place like Taiwan where other viewpoints
145:57
can thrive other viewpoints can survive
145:59
and it it acts as a check it acts as a
146:04
quality control so to speak a mental
146:09
checkpoint right so you can't be
146:11
brainwashed by your own Chinese media
146:14
because hey here's a check
146:15
here's a Hong Kong media here's a
146:17
Taiwanese media here's here's some real
146:19
artistic talent coming in from there
146:21
that's like a artistic check it's like
146:23
you gotta be on this level you know I
146:25
mean in order to pass the artistic
146:29
checkpoint it'd be like okay this is
146:30
this is legit this is authentic you know
146:32
I mean and that's not to say okay you
146:34
gotta be okay
146:36
Hollywood recognized or you gotta be
146:38
like Cannes Film Festival recognized you
146:40
gotta be French recognized
146:41
I'm not saying let's use Western
146:43
standards and and and put it on Chinese
146:46
media and put it on whatever to try and
146:49
make it seem like it's more Western to
146:50
try and make it seem like it's more
146:51
high-quality that's not what I'm saying
146:52
what I'm saying is in order to get to
146:54
that higher level of quality there's got
146:56
to be competition there's got to be you
147:00
know you you have to there has to be
147:02
free to be challenged there has to be
147:03
freedom is what I'm saying there has to
147:05
be freedom in art in order for art to
147:08
also challenge itself so there has to be
147:11
a healthy ecosystem of competition so
147:13
the Chinese media suffers from this
147:15
because of a self-censorship
147:18
like okay you can't challenge anything
147:19
right but that's why Hong Kong media was
147:21
so good at the time they're not good
147:23
anymore but that's why Hong Kong me is
147:25
so good at a time and it produced all
147:27
these Hong Kong stars all these Hong
147:30
Kong media all these Hong Kong
147:34
you know influences right anything that
147:36
you name right if you're a foreigner if
147:38
you're a guy living in Europe if you're
147:40
a guy living in America you you name all
147:42
these stars that you saw back in the day
147:44
that influenced you that influenced you
147:46
to into Hong Kong culture and the
147:47
Chinese culture that influenced you in a
147:49
kung fu culture is all comes from Hong
147:52
Kong media like let's not pretend here
147:54
let's not beat around the bush here it's
147:56
all Hong Kong media so that's the
148:00
importance of having other identities
148:04
right so so when when everybody gets
148:07
swept away you know in Mandarin or or or
148:11
or mainland Chinese identity and these
148:13
other identities gets swept away and
148:16
there's no artistic freedoms there's no
148:18
free thinking that's when it cripples I
148:22
don't want to say a crippled society but
148:24
I would say it cripples at least at the
148:26
very least cripples culture and a
148:29
crippled cripples art okay and people
148:33
underestimate that people think like oh
148:35
art it's just for a bunch of sissies who
148:38
you know who you know can't do anything
148:41
in society who can't you know you know
148:44
contribute to society and in a you know
148:47
whatever in a tangible way they just
148:49
make art you know art is like garbage
148:51
nothing no my argument is art is
148:54
actually more important than you you you
148:56
think art is the thing that shapes
149:00
cultures art is the thing that shapes
149:01
societies at least a very large part of
149:05
it so I think it's completely you know
149:11
you know simplified and I I think it's
149:15
completely simple way of thinking okay
149:17
unsophisticated way of thinking if
149:19
you're if you're gonna say okay art head
149:21
doesn't shape societies art doesn't
149:23
contribute societies I think a large
149:26
large part of society is a large large
149:28
large part of social engineering come
149:31
from art so in fact I would say art is
149:34
extremely important obviously you want
149:36
to support yourself you want to support
149:38
the people from an economical stamp and
149:41
from an economy standpoint first right
149:43
so once the economy is established right
149:45
so let's say you know China currently as
149:48
an example the economy is established
149:50
now now art is where they need to do the
149:53
catching up okay because they're years
149:57
years years behind you look at Korean
149:59
media you look at kpop Korean movies and
150:01
stuff like that they're doing an
150:04
excellent job they're doing a way way
150:07
way better job by telling their stories
150:10
representing their Korean media their
150:12
Korean stars their Korean culture look
150:15
at how huge it is right look at how huge
150:17
that other countries have to watch
150:19
Korean shows and Korean movies and stuff
150:23
like that and they can tell their own
150:24
stories and and they can shape societies
150:27
because of that and anyways going off on
150:29
a rant is so you talk about you know
150:33
ethnic influences from from from you
150:36
know certain local groups and dialects
150:38
and stuff like that
150:39
I'm proud Hong Kong I gotta tell you
150:41
about Hong Kong movies and how we
150:43
influence the world and that's basically
150:45
how it is so so the most of the known
150:47
world right now they've been feeding off
150:50
of Hong Kong Chinese culture for the
150:52
last twenty thirty years so that's the
150:54
Chinese culture that they know I'm
150:56
thinking we need to push beyond that and
150:59
we need to continue that right so with
151:01
the new Chinese money now right with the
151:03
new Chinese rich people now they're
151:05
investing so much money in the movies
151:07
and stuff like that now they gotta
151:09
invest properly they gotta make the high
151:11
quality movies not the same garbage
151:13
stuff that comes out and it's produced
151:15
by a Hollywood you know Hollywood film
151:19
producers and and Chinese people have no
151:21
clue what they're doing on the media
151:23
side so they just throw their money out
151:25
there and they're like oh you can make
151:26
us a Hollywood movie right and they end
151:28
up putting in there like your typical
151:30
white protagonist right saving China or
151:32
something like that you know that's BS
151:33
that like is part of the Hollywood
151:36
agenda that we touched on in episode 1
151:38
we don't need that Chinese people are
151:40
tired of seeing that shit we want to
151:42
make real Chinese media that speaks to
151:44
Chinese
151:45
all right we want to make real Asian
151:47
media that speaks to Asian people with
151:49
Asian heroes that are refreshing that
151:51
tell our own stories and we don't have
151:53
to be subjugated to Hollywood Way of
151:57
telling our stories we don't need that
152:00
we can tell our own stories we can be
152:02
independent of that we can be proud of
152:03
that and that's all I'm saying
152:05
and Chinese media has a way ways to go
152:07
because of their sensors should think
152:09
they need to you know deal with that
152:11
they have to work with themselves on
152:13
that and if they can't solve that then
152:15
hey you know what they do they come to
152:18
they come to Hong Kong and they make a
152:19
movie right they come and do a Hong Kong
152:21
co-production and they make a Hong Kong
152:23
movie so there's still a couple of
152:25
strong Hong Kong filmmakers there's
152:26
still a couple strong Hong Kong movies
152:27
that come out nowadays right even though
152:30
the output has slowed a lot since the
152:33
90s the output has slowed a lot but
152:35
there's still quality films that come
152:37
out and do their thing
152:38
right and so today yeah yeah yeah all
152:45
right all right
152:46
no the thing is actually I I I'm here
152:48
story and I agree with it - let's say 99
152:52
percent really 99 percent it's maybe a
152:54
little bit nuanced here and there but
152:56
the thing is actually at the time the
152:59
British actually also had an agenda for
153:01
Hong Kong which when they actually
153:03
that's Hong Kong economy thrive in the
153:06
last 20 years actually of their brain
153:12
actually okay because create a Hong Kong
153:15
which would be by inheritance if when
153:19
China returned to Hong Kong would be
153:21
vastly different you know that I call
153:24
this to a large extent the layers of
153:26
separation because they create layers of
153:28
separation Cantonese Mandarin
153:30
the movies traditional Chinese know
153:34
traditional Chinese versus simplified
153:36
Chinese etc know that they let the
153:39
economy thrive for the last 20 years to
153:41
create a identity which would be largely
153:44
different from that of China actually
153:46
very interesting perspective okay
153:48
getting back to the other side getting
153:51
back to the other side of the story in
153:53
nineteen
153:55
18 when China was just opening up you
153:57
know the thing was actually China was
154:00
just opening up they walked it that they
154:02
could see if they continued with their
154:04
their there how do you say that
154:08
governance which was rooted in old
154:10
fashioned communism that it would go
154:12
nowhere it's right that they wanted to
154:15
have the economy
154:16
which was which could how to say
154:20
challenge will be at least on a growing
154:22
level with the West while still
154:24
maintaining parts of their socialistic
154:27
communistic system okay the thing was
154:30
actually in 1980 you could not take one
154:34
newspaper from the board of Hong Kong to
154:36
China you could not do that basically
154:38
mm-hmm you know just look at 30 years
154:40
time with where they have gotten through
154:42
you couldn't have gotten news but you
154:43
one newspaper would have gotten you in a
154:45
lot of trouble mm-hmm yeah just to see
154:48
how all the progress has been made
154:50
during the years and my estimation which
154:52
actually is an expansion of your story
154:55
China was afraid of anything foreign so
154:58
even that newspaper would have been a
155:00
threat for them hmm
155:02
nowadays they're getting comfortable
155:04
with with seeing that a newspaper
155:07
wouldn't wouldn't overthrow the
155:09
government wouldn't cause mass storm
155:11
turmoil right now there there have been
155:14
put it put it for better words they have
155:16
been used to chaos for 200 years they're
155:19
tired of chaos ya know so that's why
155:22
they are snaps they are slowly they're
155:25
moving towards a more open open system
155:28
but they have to do it on their own
155:29
terms you have to show them but they
155:31
have to do it on their own terms
155:32
I accept it and I agree with that I
155:34
agree with that I'm not saying hey
155:35
there's that there's a problem with
155:36
Chinese government I actually think
155:38
they're doing a pretty good job I mean I
155:40
don't live there but from the things
155:42
I've seen from the things I've heard
155:43
from the things that I've learned
155:44
traveling I feel like they're doing a
155:46
pretty good job because you have to
155:47
understand it's like so many people
155:49
there right there's so many people there
155:51
and there's a lot of problems but you
155:54
know I would say they're doing a pretty
155:56
good job yeah
155:59
now every day that they keep China
156:00
together is the best thing for the world
156:02
you know because what would happen if
156:04
you start having factions you know start
156:06
having you know
156:07
that the neighbors would certainly
156:08
benefit or benefit out of the turmoil
156:11
actually because China has been used to
156:13
turmoil we probably won't see that
156:14
because I asked people when I talk to
156:17
people and they say yeah China is on the
156:18
rise now bloody blah you know it's going
156:20
where well but about and then I asked
156:22
them have you ever have you ever
156:23
questioned yourself why China now is
156:26
getting on the rise and what happened in
156:28
that the Blanc 200 years actually then
156:31
they start thinking oh yeah oh yeah then
156:33
the things start to rise you know that
156:35
like they have been putting it back into
156:39
recent terms they have to get used to
156:41
the fact that there are so many colors
156:43
to the world because they were scared
156:44
shitless of anything foreign actually
156:46
you know so the thing is actually if
156:49
they get used to their own terms
156:50
you know then they are able to to to say
156:53
okay we can let go of that nowadays take
156:55
a newspaper long nobody cares you know
156:58
but just think of this way a newspaper
157:00
now I mean a newspaper in the 1980s till
157:04
the internet of today it's it's being
157:06
monitored and they also say it it's
157:08
being monitored they they don't sneak
157:09
around and say oh yeah we're not
157:11
watching or maybe or maybe not you are
157:13
being watched
157:13
you know that's a thing but along the
157:15
way if they would have if they
157:17
understand that softening up does not
157:19
mean that falling a part of the country
157:21
because a long time ago and get this
157:24
China was the first democracy in Asia
157:27
yeah it wasn't had an elected president
157:29
but that didn't work on their terms at
157:31
that time you know they stir that
157:32
massive debt they had all kinds of
157:34
troubles and that didn't work for them
157:36
you tried it it didn't work you know so
157:40
the thing is to you must let them you
157:42
must point the way point the direction
157:43
and show that that for example you know
157:46
the bootleg versions of all the Hong
157:50
Kong movies in the 1980s to the 1990s
157:52
were readily available in China your
157:55
eyes and people you know they need to
157:58
gain time and in gain the the creativity
158:01
and need to gain the experience of how
158:03
stuff works mm-hmm along the way and I
158:06
already see this actually but the very
158:08
grassroots you know don't kill the
158:10
grassroot but the thing is that they
158:12
already are moving very slowly and they
158:15
must find their identity within that
158:17
media you know
158:18
mm-hmm also in terms of for example in
158:21
an anime they recently had made a few
158:23
big strides with a few anime it's not
158:28
Japanese like he's also not Korean like
158:30
but it's typically Chinese either and
158:32
they had you know once they had Kung Fu
158:34
Panda you know Hollywood DreamWorks
158:37
mm-hmm it was a kid in China Chinese
158:40
thought by themselves by reflection Y
158:42
can be ourselves not do that mm-hmm why
158:45
is that that pop that's not possible
158:46
mm-hmm so so you made them trigger
158:49
themselves thinking okay there needs to
158:51
be their stories we're a big country
158:53
there are stories over here you know we
158:55
need to harness those and I agree with
158:57
you that that that they have a lot of
158:59
these these have you say running of the
159:02
mill series of sets right now mm-hmm and
159:05
they're getting yes but on the other
159:07
hand you know if you're used to American
159:09
media or used to Western media you also
159:12
kind of figure out how to pop who works
159:13
oh yeah of course and I'm not I'm not
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saying yeah I'm not saying by any means
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that like oh these Hollywood formulas
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are anything new no no in fact they're
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really really really old and if you want
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to you want to talk about getting to
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Hollywood films I'll just I'll just for
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one minute I'll say a lot of Hollywood
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movies that come out these days is just
159:32
regurgitated trash okay and it's just
159:35
like remake this reboot this Oh what
159:40
comic book character can we grab out
159:42
that's like kind of original but really
159:45
it's not like how many goddamn superhero
159:49
movies do I have to sit through to get
159:52
to get to an actual quality film here
159:54
does anybody make films anymore right
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so like Hollywood had its Golden Age and
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I I don't feel Hollywood is anywhere
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near that anymore they might come back
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who knows but ah you're talking about
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Scarface you're talking about Godfather
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you talk about like films from that era
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those were real films those are classic
160:14
films where they're telling a story
160:15
right they're not necessarily enough in
160:18
a formula right they're not necessarily
160:20
is a good ending there might be a bad
160:22
ending you know whatever it is but
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nowadays it's like a formula that is
160:25
forming that form of that and I'm not
160:27
saying hey China you know come up with
160:29
some like you know copies
160:30
formulas and you know do what the
160:32
Hollywood Way you gotta figure it out
160:34
and do it their own way so I agree with
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you I like I said so let's let's wrap
160:40
this up
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I have one final question for you and I
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think this is gonna be an interesting
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one because I want to know maybe if you
160:48
know this or not so uh if you don't know
160:50
this it doesn't matter like I'll try and
160:52
find out I'll try and find out by some
160:56
other means but we we talked about like
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okay over like 50 over 60 ethnic groups
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in China what fascinates me what
161:07
interests me is not only do I want to
161:09
learn about each and every one of these
161:11
ethnic groups which will obviously take
161:13
a lifetime right but on a very base
161:16
level I want to ask you what group of
161:20
people are known for what group of thing
161:24
I'm curious to know about this so I want
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to start off with what I already know
161:30
and I and and I hopefully you can
161:31
confirm and you can kind of add to it
161:33
right so to Tony's right choose oh nice
161:37
to tell people right to johnny's they're
161:41
known for being gangsters because they
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came from a place that didn't have
161:47
anything political turmoil
161:50
economical turmoil they went down south
161:54
to hong kong
161:55
just like Scarface went from Cuba to to
161:57
Miami a famous to gel person of Tojo
162:01
descent was a limp hijo by home so we
162:06
kind of share the same last name but not
162:07
exactly but you know - whole but his is
162:11
hope so but written in English whatever
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it's the same same word H oh so he was
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known as by ho
162:19
Limpy ho because he was a feared
162:22
gangster who had a limp like his leg
162:24
limp so he was you know all the Chinese
162:28
gangsters all the Chinese triads they
162:30
came from - toe to toe nice right so
162:33
that's one interesting group of people
162:36
right - Joe dialect - Johnny's known for
162:39
being triads and
162:41
for being businessman and I think
162:44
they're known for being bankers as well
162:45
so so so Shanghainese right people who
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come from Shanghai you know sort of to
162:52
the north right northeast you know a
162:56
little bit in the middle maybe you can
162:57
kind of say Minnie it's not really like
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to north but like you know somewhere in
163:01
the middle but but east East China right
163:03
so Shanghai Japanese people they're
163:07
known for being businessmen right really
163:10
good business people and they're known
163:12
for being in in the fashion in the
163:15
textiles so big on textiles big on
163:18
fashion and big on being business yes
163:20
right big big on being business and to
163:24
get even more into that I heard from
163:26
from what what I've been told the people
163:29
from Ningbo if I'm saying that correctly
163:32
the people from Ningbo which is just
163:35
outside of Shanghai those are the really
163:37
really smart business women that come
163:40
from they're really really good with
163:42
numbers really really good with finances
163:44
really really good with business they
163:46
come on Ning ball I don't know why which
163:48
is why I'm interested to know why
163:50
exactly but but it's like certain
163:52
regions they they produce certain you
163:54
know tribes of Chinese people and then
163:56
they're good at certain things it's
163:57
pretty interesting so what else do I
164:00
know um so - Johnny's Chinese people
164:04
from Limbaugh but that's kind of to the
164:08
extent of my knowledge that's it so
164:10
anything else can you tell me
164:13
the tangka people they're usually known
164:16
for boating and they have their villages
164:18
or boats and they're situated in well
164:21
the the most watery parts of Hong Kong
164:26
any characteristics I'm not really sure
164:30
about any character is it the folk
164:31
people you're saying I can speak for my
164:34
yeah they're that Duncan people tongue
164:37
god oh yeah yeah I think they made a
164:43
movie out of that recently yeah I title
164:48
coming by about tanka people quite nice
164:51
I think III
164:53
I think the idea is quite nice that they
164:55
get in audience you know that they have
164:57
have a moment in which they say okay
165:00
this is us you know we're part of Hong
165:02
Kong as well we're part of guangdong
165:03
region and we're part of China yeah the
165:05
boat people
165:06
I think Aaron Kwok played the role
165:08
waffle singing played the role of the
165:11
boat people I think that's pretty cool
165:13
yeah you know I you have a big star
165:16
representing them which is which is nice
165:18
I just think that it's it's like a you
165:20
know it's it's an idea that you get
165:22
included into the larger part and not be
165:25
forgotten they're not be shoved away you
165:28
know yeah well I can say for the haka
165:31
yeah exactly yeah yeah I was thinking
165:34
about that you know and we are we are
165:36
quite being known for for better words
165:40
being quite traditionalists know we in
165:43
like traditions even with dining
165:45
etiquette you know we're quite
165:46
traditional with that and we have our
165:50
you know a little I say a little
165:55
characteristics within history and which
165:59
which makes us in a lot of ways we're
166:02
quite within China the gatekeepers of
166:04
the old traditional way of Chinese
166:08
actually mmm-hmm for better or worse
166:12
actually I must say this you know for
166:16
example yeah you know I my household my
166:20
family we're quite specific on how you
166:23
hold your chopsticks is how you behave
166:24
yourself during the dining it doesn't
166:27
mean that that it's like calm or
166:29
anything you know it's lively it's fun
166:31
it's it's it's tasty and you have
166:33
comments but also you know you must know
166:35
your position on the table and you must
166:38
respect the elders and also chopstick
166:42
etiquette how how you do that you know
166:44
it's it's well preserved within within
166:46
our say our specific language group
166:51
China I can agree with you about the
166:55
Ningbo people actually the Ningbo region
166:57
I met a few people who happen to be
167:00
women who happen to be very good
167:02
business people it's quite confer
167:05
quite confirming I'm trying to
167:07
understand why that is like what made
167:10
them do that what made them become good
167:11
at that yeah I don't have an explanation
167:15
for yet it's quite interesting that you
167:16
asked me because I I've sort of I've
167:20
seen it not confirmed I've seen it
167:22
happening but it's not confirmed by
167:24
somebody else and in this case you are
167:26
confirming it to me mm-hmm
167:28
you know which is quite interesting
167:32
let's see well yeah they have a few
167:36
regions here and there I think that the
167:39
the Shanghainese you know that they're
167:42
fashionable and they you know that they
167:45
they really are setting themselves as
167:49
the as the as the gatekeepers or the
167:53
main representatives of fashionable
167:55
China you know you have a brand called
167:57
Shanghai tang I think mm-hmm they're
168:01
really trying to keep the standard of
168:03
being yeah we're the ones who are
168:04
fashionable you know we're the ones who
168:06
are fashionable it's interesting you
168:08
brought that up because it's interesting
168:10
you brought that up because Shanghai
168:12
tang for the longest time I really like
168:14
their clothing but their price point is
168:17
way way too ridiculous it's for it's
168:20
it's their price point is like you know
168:23
you know if you're like really rich and
168:26
you're bored and you got nothing to do
168:28
and you want to buy a $500 t-shirt yeah
168:30
sure why not
168:32
so for the longest time I'm like damn I
168:35
really love this modern nice Han food is
168:40
modernized Chinese clothing style
168:42
whether it's the Manchurian style or the
168:45
Honshu style you know clothing from the
168:48
Han people Han Dynasty I really enjoy
168:51
that style of clothing you know the
168:53
modern Chinese clothing and I really
168:55
wish there was more of that and I really
168:58
wish it was more accessible to you know
169:02
not just people in China but accessible
169:05
to people outside of China foreigners
169:07
and stuff like that so I've been for the
169:09
longest time for the longest time I've
169:12
been seeking that out right I wanted to
169:16
get to it and and of course with dynasty
169:18
and everything
169:19
like that I want to make my own you know
169:21
modern Han food and custom Honshu and
169:24
stuff like that and you know we just
169:28
launched the Neo dynasty collection so
169:30
we finally you know after months and
169:34
months and months of work we were
169:35
finally able to do that so I feel like I
169:37
was able to contribute to Chinese
169:41
society in some way by taking the the
169:45
the great-looking style clothes that
169:48
come out of Shanghai come out of Chinese
169:50
a culture turn that into like a modern
169:54
style where you're able to wear it you
169:56
know in it to work wear it casually wear
170:00
it to formal parties where to business
170:03
meetings where to everyday life right so
170:05
that it doesn't look too gimmicky it
170:08
doesn't look too corny it doesn't look
170:11
too like Chinatown you know I mean so I
170:14
took like the modern styles yeah sooo
170:17
typical I took like the modernized
170:19
Chinese clothing styles and a little bit
170:22
Japanese a little bit Korean as well and
170:25
I released that in the night Neo dynasty
170:27
collection so I mean you know where to
170:31
get it check it out WWI dynasty clothing
170:34
store calm so really I was able to you
170:38
know take part of that and then push
170:39
that out there in into the the rest of
170:44
the world and that get people to
170:45
recognize what modern Han who was is
170:48
about and then I personally own those a
170:51
lot of those pieces I personally dig it
170:53
I personally wear it so I love it and I
170:57
was and I was hoping to to spread that
170:59
out there into the world spread Chinese
171:01
culture a little bit more and and also
171:03
I'm sure other people out there would
171:06
would love it and appreciate it as well
171:07
and I'm sure other people who go to
171:10
Chinatown and try to get these kinds of
171:11
you know Chinese type of clothes I think
171:14
they they as well as me and as I would
171:17
know that a lot of the clothes that you
171:19
see in Chinatown and stuff like that
171:20
they're they're kind of like you know
171:21
low quality you know low quality
171:23
polyesters you know stuff that doesn't
171:27
really fit that well stuff that's not
171:29
really silk but pretends to be silk you
171:32
know and
171:33
Buller you know people don't get to see
171:35
the real beauty of the Chinese fashion
171:38
or the Chinese style fashion so I was
171:41
able to you know hopefully bring justice
171:44
to that and and show people the the
171:47
Asian modern style retro fashion and
171:51
bring it to the world and then uh yeah I
171:54
must say a lot of people actually it's
171:57
being very well received actually we
171:59
only launched it for a few days but
172:01
we're getting a lot of yeah we're
172:05
getting a lot of attention we're getting
172:06
a lot of orders actually so I'm proud to
172:08
you know I'm proud to be a part of that
172:11
and I'm proud to be able to bring that
172:13
to two fans out there to you know
172:16
dynasty fans out there and to anybody
172:17
who's fans of you know Chinese culture
172:19
kung-fu and anything like that
172:22
definitely it looks it looks nice it
172:25
looks very well and I think you know it
172:27
needs some revival you know the thing is
172:31
there is no what I see for example is a
172:37
lot of the the stereotypical which I
172:39
really hate you know it's the Western
172:41
Way of viewing stuff and it's it's it's
172:45
it's not really you know it's it's not
172:48
really the Chinese viewpoint of how how
172:50
stuff should be exactly and also like
172:52
that yeah when I saw when I saw a few of
172:56
the designs I looked at okay you know
172:58
this is nice and you have you have good
172:59
characters you have your your your
173:01
everyday man you have your working man
173:04
you have your you have your no woman you
173:07
have your educated person yeah these are
173:10
all the the this is what the the
173:13
clothing style represents you know
173:15
evidence it has a variety which I like
173:18
which I really really like absolutely
173:20
man and it goes back to the whole
173:21
cultural appropriation thing and we're
173:23
not gonna get into that right now but it
173:25
goes back to that whole thing where you
173:26
know people view Asians and people view
173:29
Chinese people from a Western point of
173:31
view and from a Western lens and then
173:33
you know it's not like that so dynasty
173:35
exists as a way for people to come in
173:38
and experience you know Asian culture
173:42
the way that Asians would want you to
173:45
experience it the way that it really is
173:47
and that's kind of our objective so
173:49
anyways we're out of time so as well
173:52
thank you again tell me your Chinese
173:54
name one more time so I can remember it
173:57
in Cantonese you want it I'm sure okay
174:03
duck so turn it up something I some so
174:10
turn Dussel okay we're gonna turn this
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awesome yeah I want to thank you for for
174:16
taking your time out obviously we you
174:19
know you know this was a long podcast
174:22
and you know really appreciate you
174:24
taking the time out of your day out of
174:25
your weekend to do this and we're
174:28
signing off and I want to thank
174:29
everybody who's listening in still if
174:31
you guys want to check out that neo
174:33
dynasty collection check it out and you
174:35
can use I use the code podcast to get a
174:39
discount off of that collection man so
174:41
thank you and until next time we'll see
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you then
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wait
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still untold long
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each sing
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