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  1. [23:08] <FlowerChild> no man, it's not playinhg
  2. [23:08] <slowpoke> I am saying if he has ANY involvement with the actual code, then he has kept that from everyone
  3. [23:08] <FlowerChild> here's the link for you: http://www.twitch.tv/themattabase/b/346836818
  4. [23:08] <DominarQuintus> Has anyone had a problem with server like lag in singleplayer
  5. [23:08] == Cannot send to channel: #minecraftforge
  6. [23:08] == Noir [~noir@pool-72-94-149-100.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #minecraftforge
  7. [23:08] <FlowerChild> he acts as the public face for BWF, he displays intimate knowledge of its inner workings, and he goes on at length in support of it
  8. [23:09] == Miniboxer [~Miniboxer@99-90-214-195.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #minecraftforge
  9. [23:09] <slowpoke> FC as your in a reasonable mood, could you clarify something for me?
  10. [23:09] <FlowerChild> denying involvement is simply him lacking the courage of his convictions
  11. [23:09] <slowpoke> I want to check I remember something right
  12. [23:09] <FlowerChild> sure slow
  13. [23:09] <slowpoke> thank
  14. [23:09] <FlowerChild> again man, we've always discussed things in a friendly manner, except once ;)
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  16. [23:10] <slowpoke> so if i remember in our discussions your principle objection at the time to rejoining forge was it would remove control for things like updating from you
  17. [23:10] <FlowerChild> errr...not exactly, but we seem to be going off topic
  18. [23:10] <slowpoke> not really
  19. [23:10] <slowpoke> ill be bringing it back in a sec
  20. [23:10] <FlowerChild> I think we are, but I'm willing to entertain it, so shoot
  21. [23:10] <slowpoke> so ignoring the hatred stuff
  22. [23:10] <slowpoke> whats the reason
  23. [23:11] <FlowerChild> you're familar with my video interview on leaving forge right?
  24. [23:11] <slowpoke> yes
  25. [23:11] <FlowerChild> then you have your answer
  26. [23:11] <slowpoke> we had this all out before remember
  27. [23:11] <slowpoke> and during that 2-3 hour talk
  28. [23:11] <FlowerChild> forge was becoming overly competitive on an internal level, and I decided I wanted no part of it
  29. [23:11] <FlowerChild> that's the main reason
  30. [23:11] <slowpoke> where I even agreed with you, you had a totally valid point for leaving forge
  31. [23:11] <FlowerChild> everything else is secondary
  32. [23:12] <FlowerChild> that's still while I'm not part of it really
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  35. [23:12] <slowpoke> we then talked about stuff like FTB maps for BTW
  36. [23:12] <FlowerChild> other points have come up along the way, but that's the main once
  37. [23:12] <FlowerChild> "one" :)
  38. [23:12] <slowpoke> and I was invloved in the youtube series etc
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  42. [23:12] <FlowerChild> yup, we talked at length, and again, I *like* you
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  45. [23:12] <FlowerChild> there's no hostility between you and I...outside of the other night ;)
  46. [23:12] == ezekielelin [~ezekielel@c-65-96-5-105.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #minecraftforge
  47. [23:13] <FlowerChild> as I said then, I always had the impression you were trying to get into my pants (metaphorically), but I still liked you
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  52. [23:13] <slowpoke> you specifically stated that the main reason for no coming back was it would force you onto Forges timetable, hell I even remember going and asking about adding stuff into forge that would limit the ability to use other mods alongside BTW
  53. [23:13] == tekwarrior_ [webchat@cable-78-35-105-58.netcologne.de] has joined #minecraftforge
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  56. [23:14] <FlowerChild> I may have mentioned that as one of the reasons yes, and it's certainly part of them, but not all of them
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  62. [23:14] <FlowerChild> and again: more than two weeks to update to 1.3, and just two days less than to update my entire mod
  63. [23:15] <FlowerChild> Lex mentions in that stream taking "on average" less than 30 mins to update the past few releases
  64. [23:15] <FlowerChild> which tells me he doesn't understand what "average" means, given those two weeks
  65. [23:15] <slowpoke> this is all besides the point. this all leads down to. BWF why do you even care. you dont get the tech support headache that you aways claimed would be an issue, this 'port' means you still work to your own schedule. you already stated on the MCF that BWF is totally legal (if morally wrong) and its not like you have never copied anything yourself.
  66. [23:16] <FlowerChild> I care based on principle, and given the intent
  67. [23:16] <slowpoke> screw the intent
  68. [23:16] <iPixeli> FlowerChild, not everyone knows of what has even happened, (Like myself), care to quickly mention all the reasons why you'd rather not use forge?
  69. [23:16] <FlowerChild> no, I prefer not to :)
  70. [23:16] <FlowerChild> let's look at it this way slow
  71. [23:17] <slowpoke> we both know, nothing you can do, can prevent this from happening.
  72. [23:17] <FlowerChild> can you ever see me making BTW dependent on Lex after what he has done?
  73. [23:17] <FlowerChild> would you do that?
  74. [23:17] <slowpoke> honestly
  75. [23:17] <slowpoke> and I know you will dislike this
  76. [23:17] <slowpoke> but this is how i truely see you
  77. [23:17] <FlowerChild> actually, there is plenty I can do, as I am demonstrating now
  78. [23:17] <FlowerChild> where do you think this will stop?
  79. [23:18] <FlowerChild> I told Lex war was coming, and I've demonstrated that's exactly what is happening
  80. [23:18] <FlowerChild> he simply can not compete with me on this level
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  83. [23:18] <slowpoke> you are a man fueled by hatred surrounded by sycophants that like to encourage that hatred. I think you really need to learn to not worry about what other people do and start worrying more about things that are important
  84. [23:18] == eph3 [~eph3@63.229.139.147] has joined #minecraftforge
  85. [23:18] <FlowerChild> those are some very pretty terms you've got at your disposal Lex
  86. [23:19] <FlowerChild> but I think you know very well that the people that are backing me are far more intelligent and informed than the 14 year olds backing you right now
  87. [23:19] <slowpoke> um no FC I dont
  88. [23:19] <FlowerChild> all I've done is make honest statements since this began
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  90. [23:19] <slowpoke> what 14 year olds are these
  91. [23:19] <slowpoke> ahhh honesty
  92. [23:19] <FlowerChild> while Lex has spouted laughable denials throughout
  93. [23:19] <FlowerChild> I think it's very clear which way this is going
  94. [23:19] <slowpoke> you want to be honest?
  95. [23:20] <FlowerChild> shoot
  96. [23:20] <FlowerChild> and always
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  100. [23:20] <slowpoke> so would you like to repeat to eveyone here exactly what you said about Eloraam?
  101. [23:20] <slowpoke> both on the stream and in your little room on your forums
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  103. [23:20] <FlowerChild> absolutely, it's a matter of the public record, and one you've already distorted to your own ends
  104. [23:20] <slowpoke> the one that was so hateful even one of your own made it public
  105. [23:20] <FlowerChild> I'd be happy to debate it
  106. [23:21] <FlowerChild> lol...go man go...please
  107. [23:21] == fabricator77 [~not@59.167.60.109]
  108. [23:21] == realname : fabricator77
  109. [23:21] == channels : #minecraftforge #65EL02 #redpower
  110. [23:21] == server : optical.esper.net [Internet Retro Chat (Oslo, Norway)]
  111. [23:21] == End of WHOIS
  112. [23:21] <slowpoke> your mission to 'destroy eloraam' and 'drive her from the community' because she took some of your ideas?
  113. [23:21] <slowpoke> you think thats ok yes
  114. [23:21] <FlowerChild> hehe...no, what I think is ok is venting in private...just as anyone else did
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  116. [23:22] <FlowerChild> I believe what I said at the time was "if I had a chance to drive Eloraam out of modding...I would"
  117. [23:22] <slowpoke> um no
  118. [23:22] <FlowerChild> now, what you seem to have neglected there, is that I'm also a moral individual
  119. [23:22] <FlowerChild> ok...sure, explain further
  120. [23:22] == E1337Recon [~E1337Reco@ool-4353452b.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #minecraftforge
  121. [23:22] <slowpoke> you said it was your intent to literally destroy eloraam
  122. [23:22] <slowpoke> your words
  123. [23:23] <FlowerChild> ok, and I will say now that I intend to fuck you up the ass
  124. [23:23] <FlowerChild> how do you take that?
  125. [23:23] <FlowerChild> am I serious?
  126. [23:23] <slowpoke> i take that as you trying to justify something that you seriously meant
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  128. [23:23] <slowpoke> by hiding it
  129. [23:23] <FlowerChild> am I making an inflated statement basedon the situation?
  130. [23:23] <slowpoke> ahhh
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  132. [23:24] <FlowerChild> am I spouting bravado nonsense?
  133. [23:24] <slowpoke> so you have no intentions along that line then
  134. [23:24] <FlowerChild> what does it mean?
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  136. [23:24] <FlowerChild> will I fuck with Eloraam as much as possible within *my own moral boundaries*?
  137. [23:24] <FlowerChild> absofuckinglutely
  138. [23:24] <slowpoke> ahh
  139. [23:24] <FlowerChild> and will I fuck you up the ass? Maybe :)
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  141. [23:25] <slowpoke> so its ok for you to fuck with someone else
  142. [23:25] <slowpoke> but when your the one getting fucked
  143. [23:25] <slowpoke> you cry
  144. [23:25] <FlowerChild> clarify please
  145. [23:25] <FlowerChild> oh ho...now you're going troll. That's ok, I can do that too :)
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  147. [23:25] <slowpoke> wheres the troll
  148. [23:25] <slowpoke> its a statement
  149. [23:25] <FlowerChild> "you cry"?
  150. [23:25] <FlowerChild> really now :)
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  153. [23:26] <FlowerChild> again man, escalate if you want...I am more than capable
  154. [23:26] == soccer16x_ [~soccer16x@74.83.246.124] has joined #minecraftforge
  155. [23:26] <slowpoke> you want to destroy eloraam
  156. [23:26] <slowpoke> thats ok
  157. [23:26] <slowpoke> someone copying your mod not OK
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