Amory's interview 2: electric boogaloo

Okay, I have time now.
DatBerry - Yesterday at 8:20 PM
Ok
Still have time?

AmoryBlaine - Yesterday at 8:26 PM
Yep

DatBerry - Yesterday at 8:28 PM
let me switch networks
Ok so, the first half will be scenarios that you will deal with, you'll have to ask if you want more info instead of just making assumptions to save time
the powers you'll get as a trial will include:
Temp server ban, temp job ban, wind (admin freeze), adminPM, Warning, noting, variable view (mostly to check attack logs on a mob, dealt and dealt to), I think you're already familiar with them
ready?(edited)

AmoryBlaine - Yesterday at 8:41 PM
Alright. I'm here.

DatBerry - Yesterday at 8:42 PM
alright so you're alone on deadhour and you get a sudden ahelp
the janitor just ganked me

AmoryBlaine - Yesterday at 8:43 PM
Well, I ask what happened and which janitor. I also jump to the player's character and check VV.

DatBerry - Yesterday at 8:44 PM
you jump over and see a janitor wielding a spear and covered in blood smacking the the guy's dead body in the head. the attack logs show the janitor attacked first, making two spear pokes before the ahelper tried to disarm them.

AmoryBlaine - Yesterday at 8:45 PM
So did they confirm that this was a random attack?

DatBerry - Yesterday at 8:46 PM
they replied
I was walking around when he told me to wait and then attacked me

AmoryBlaine - Yesterday at 8:47 PM
Okay, so from this point I'm going to sleep, or wind- whatever you wanna call it- the Janitor and ask him
What are you doing currently and why?

DatBerry - Yesterday at 8:48 PM
he replies
Im an antag and he called security on me

AmoryBlaine - Yesterday at 8:49 PM
I check his VV for antag status. Although, I can't actually remember if it's in there or not lol

DatBerry - Yesterday at 8:49 PM
security arrives and starts cuffing the janitor
it shows on his name, being yellow
and it is yellow

AmoryBlaine - Yesterday at 8:49 PM
LOOC: Hold on, please. He is being handled.
Yellow means what again? I haven't seen that side of things since last year.

DatBerry - Yesterday at 8:50 PM
it means an antag

AmoryBlaine - Yesterday at 8:50 PM
Okay, cool.

DatBerry - Yesterday at 8:50 PM
one of the officers ignore you and starts dragging the janitor off

AmoryBlaine - Yesterday at 8:50 PM
He gets slept.
LOOC: Please do not move them.

DatBerry - Yesterday at 8:51 PM
the officer sends an ahelp
what the fuck happened

AmoryBlaine - Yesterday at 8:52 PM
PM to Officer: Is your LOOC off? I have requested that none of the Officers move the janitor. Please comply and you will be un-winded.

DatBerry - Yesterday at 8:52 PM
he doesn't reply
the janitor ahelps

security will catch me now even after you unwind me
AmoryBlaine - Yesterday at 8:54 PM
PM to Janitor: That's a secondary problem. Explain what had led up to you attacking them, please.

PM to Officer: Did you understand?

DatBerry - Yesterday at 8:56 PM
PM from Janitor: I was breaking into aux storage when the [ahelper] started shouting at me, I told him to wait but he called security so I was teaching him a lesson by cutting off his head
officer logged out

AmoryBlaine - Yesterday at 9:00 PM
I'm not familar with logging during situations like this here. In my experience though, logging as any Non-assistant/marine role is a warning and then a temp ban, followed with a job ban after that. Coupled with his interference and attitude, as well as failure to cooperate with me, I'd say three hour ban, or something- given that's how we roll here.

Check again with ahelper about situation leading up to attack. Also, aghost to Aux storage.
Oh, check Officer players notes as well. And while I'm on that Janitor too.

DatBerry - Yesterday at 9:02 PM
you find the storage half broken into (window and grille, with one window left), the [ahelper] on the floor and the janitor sleeping between two officers, one of them logged out
the logged out officer's notes include
1 harmbatoning prisoners incident, 4 months old warning
1 rushing a hostage situation, 2 months old note, something along the lines of "told to plan with sec instead of making his own plans"

AmoryBlaine - Yesterday at 9:05 PM
I'm having trouble with this because I don't know the way Staff handle things here. If it was CM when I was around it'd be a Job ban though for repeated infractions as Officer, coupled with a three hour 'cool off' ban.

Did the ahelper confirm that it was due to them seeing the window broken and then calling Sec?

DatBerry - Yesterday at 9:06 PM
you ask the ahelper about the full story
well I was walking and he was smashing into aux storage and when I talked to him he charged me so i called for sec

AmoryBlaine - Yesterday at 9:09 PM
Okay, so, I'm going to assume without direct access to logs prior to my arrival that the janitor had attacked them lethally because of them witnessing the vandalism. This is not grounds to kill and behead the ahelper though. There is escalation involved. Especially when considering that the ahelper claims to have called Sec for beig attacked- not for the vandalism. But, let's also see what Sec says. I ask the Officer that isn't banned why they responded and what the ahelper said.

DatBerry - Yesterday at 9:11 PM
PM from janitor: if I rushed him first I wouldn't have had time to tell him to wait!
PM from officer: we just heard "security come to aux storage! the janitor is breaking it!"
later copy pasting the chat log line, it was exactly the same

AmoryBlaine - Yesterday at 9:11 PM
Same as what?
Oh.

DatBerry - Yesterday at 9:11 PM
same as the thing in quotes

AmoryBlaine - Yesterday at 9:12 PM
Okay, so the janitor was telling the truth.
Right, now that does not give him free reign to decap the other guy. At least in my eyes. Warning for escalation. Ahelper is going to need to explain why he lied.

DatBerry - Yesterday at 9:14 PM
PM from janitor: I just wanted to teach him a lesson so he would give the antag a chance to talk next time, but alright
PM from ahelper: I didn't lie?? he killed me after just saying "wait", that's not proper escalation he was supposed to roleplay with me first(edited)

AmoryBlaine - Yesterday at 9:17 PM
PM to Janitor: It isn't your place to ICly teach him how to react by killing him.
PM to ahelper: [Screenshot of logs] You had called for Security. He was pressed to kill you for blowing his cover. Why did you claim that you called for Security only after he began to attack?

DatBerry - Yesterday at 9:17 PM
I need to go afk for a bit, 10-15mins maybe

AmoryBlaine - Yesterday at 9:18 PM
Okay, when you're ready. This is also a lot more indepth than previous interviews.

DatBerry - Yesterday at 9:36 PM
back

AmoryBlaine - Yesterday at 9:38 PM
K

DatBerry - Yesterday at 9:39 PM
PM from janitor: I get your point, but ICly I did have a reason to take him out because these type of guys are the ones who always blow your cover, so I was justified ICly to not want him cloned(edited)
PM from ahelper: I sent that when he tried to attack me

AmoryBlaine - Yesterday at 9:44 PM
PM to Janitor: Well, if you were so bothered by how he had blown your cover why did you remain there so long to purposely remove his head, when cloning removes your memories anyways? This is an issue. You are not allowed to kill because you are angry about it. If it is an issue, ahelp it. Do not kill other characters immediately.

What do the logs say in about the ahelper's words? Are they true?

DatBerry - Yesterday at 9:45 PM
let's say you were in the lobby, so comms logs arent available to you, only attack logs

AmoryBlaine - Yesterday at 9:46 PM
Oh, so I can't check prior logs now? Well, given that the Officer backed up the janitor, the ahelper is lying. I warn him about this behavior.

DatBerry - Yesterday at 9:48 PM
PM from ahelper: you are still a trial so you don't understand gank rules, can I please talk to an admin?

AmoryBlaine - Yesterday at 9:49 PM
PM to Ahelper: No, that isn't how this works. You're being warned about this so that it doesn't happen again.

DatBerry - Yesterday at 9:50 PM
PM from ahelper: expect a complaint you trash, your trial is going to fail now
OOC: ahelper: amory is the janitor and he's a traitor, peace out
aaaaand he logs


AmoryBlaine - Yesterday at 9:53 PM
Ban him for, uh, perma. If that happened on CM he'd get a perma. Not that you can really OOCly spoil, but LOOCing you location or where Xenos are is bannable. Attitude for sure is bad. So perma'd for spoiling the round, and toxic behavior, threatening staff with a malicious complaint.

DatBerry - Yesterday at 9:54 PM
trial mods can't perma, so you'll have a mod do it for you, he asks you to send him the ban reason that he will copy paste in

AmoryBlaine - Yesterday at 9:55 PM
Okay. So, uh, "Toxic behavior, lying in ahelp, implicating malicious intent in future staff complaint, OOC spoiling of round*"(edited)
And the spoiling the round part.

DatBerry - Yesterday at 9:59 PM
alright

DatBerry - Yesterday at 10:01 PM
you're playing during a secret crossfire round, you know the mercs and raiders have teamed up and pretty much killed all of sec.

you get an ahelp from one of the raiders saying the cargo techs are powergaming and validhunting them, you jump over and see two human cargo techs with shotguns making short work of the raiders in the cargo lobby, they killed two mercs and are about to circle and kill a heister in the mailing office

AmoryBlaine - Yesterday at 10:19 PM
PM one of the cargotechs about the shotguns and where they came from.

DatBerry - Yesterday at 10:20 PM
they run away to cover and reply "bit busy right now"

AmoryBlaine - Yesterday at 10:20 PM
I wait, allowing them to continue.

DatBerry - Yesterday at 10:25 PM
the raider in the mailing office surrender and they tie him up, they reply saying they ordered them from the odin when security died

AmoryBlaine - Yesterday at 10:27 PM
I would say this is okay. Shotguns are not hard to operate given you've seen one used before and have enough strength to handle the discharge recoil without dropping the shotgun. These are cargo techs, I'll assume they're well built or average build. They've only acted inside of Cargo. They are not valid hunting as much as they are defending their department.

DatBerry - Yesterday at 10:29 PM
what do you tell both parties?

AmoryBlaine - Yesterday at 10:32 PM
I tell the Cargo techs they're fine as long as it doesn't devolve into them hunting around the entire station with guns looking for the guys. I tell the raider that they are within their own department and IC abilities to be using shotguns and dispatching a hostile entity from their department. I would not hold it against them if they were to respond to other departments with intruders. It is only valid hunting , in my opinion, when they are actively patroling the station for antags or refusing to speak to them.

DatBerry - Yesterday at 10:33 PM
the ahelper closes his ticket and starts talking in deadchat about how said cargo techs always get weapons when anything happens

AmoryBlaine - Yesterday at 10:34 PM
Wait, we can close tickets as players?

DatBerry - Yesterday at 10:34 PM
if you make them

AmoryBlaine - Yesterday at 10:34 PM
Oh, cool.

DatBerry - Yesterday at 10:34 PM
no, the baldie wont close it if you PM them, I tested it, sadly

AmoryBlaine - Yesterday at 10:34 PM
Well, I keep an eye on the dchat for if it gets too salty. Nothing too bad yet.

DatBerry - Yesterday at 10:39 PM
alright
you login during deadhour and find a spam of attack logs, neither is a yellow named dude, so they're both non antags, the names seem alien like, Sskari S'aado and M'islk Guwan
they're fighting with spears

AmoryBlaine - Yesterday at 10:46 PM
Jump over to their location, and watch for a bit.
Honor duels on my station? More likely than you'd think.

DatBerry - Yesterday at 10:47 PM
the guwan is a cargo tech the other is an engineer, the fight is in the pool, the guwan tries to run away but the engineer gets him and starts to pin him down to the floor and pulls a butterfly knife out
he slits the guwan's throat and roars

AmoryBlaine - Yesterday at 10:48 PM
Step in, PM the Guwan and the Engineer about what's going on.

DatBerry - Yesterday at 10:50 PM
before you get to PM them the guwan sends an ahelp
adminhelp from filthy guwan: the engineer started shit with me for having insulated gloves then dragged me into some kind duel to kill me
PM from engineer: I caught him stealing insulated gloves and tried to teach him a lesson but he scratched me in the face, which is an insult to unathi

AmoryBlaine - Yesterday at 10:52 PM
Guh. Ban them both for wasting my time with their dumb Xenos traditions
PM to FG: He says you stole them and then stratched at his face.
PM to ENG: Alright, did he consent to having this fight though?(edited)

DatBerry - Yesterday at 10:54 PM
PM from guwan: I didn't steal them I got them from maints, I accidentally scratched him when i tried to push him away
PM from engi: I told them to come to the duel area, they knew what they had coming

AmoryBlaine - Yesterday at 10:55 PM
PM to Guwan: You agreed to fight him?
PM to Engi: But did he agree OOCly to have a canon character death?

DatBerry - Yesterday at 10:57 PM
PM from guwan: not really, as soon as I got there he said "A BERSERKER'S FIGHT!" and threw a spear at me to use against him, he rushed so I was forced to hit back
PM from engi: not really? it's roleplay he has to deal with the consequences of playing a guwan who dares slash other unathi in the face

AmoryBlaine - Yesterday at 11:03 PM
PM to Guwan: Alright, I'll handle him.
PM to Engi: You have an obligation to inform the player when you're planning on doing a canon duel that will likely involve character death. The incident is no longer canon, and you'll be recieving a warning for this as well as a whitelist complaint I dunno how that works. I can't just strip whitelists, do what am I suppose to do here?

DatBerry - Yesterday at 11:06 PM
just inform jackboots about the issue
the current unathi lore dev
(not for being head of lore)

AmoryBlaine - Yesterday at 11:13 PM
Holy shit, are we lagging hard?
I'm barely holding a connection.

DatBerry - Yesterday at 11:14 PM
alright
now some different kind of questions, what do you think the difference between realistic and belivable roleplay to be?

AmoryBlaine - Yesterday at 11:15 PM
Alright, cool, anyways.

DatBerry - Yesterday at 11:16 PM
seems like discord is lagging yea
you got my question?
we can finish tomorrow, its getting late

AmoryBlaine - Yesterday at 11:35 PM
Alright, gotcha. What's your timezone?

DatBerry - Yesterday at 11:36 PM
GMT+2
tomorrow is friday so unless something comes up ill be free all day

DatBerry - Today at 8:16 PM
tell me when you're ready to start

AmoryBlaine - Today at 8:16 PM
Right now is good.

DatBerry - Today at 8:17 PM
alright
so the question was, what do you think the difference between belivable and realistic roleplay to be, and which would you enforce on the server and why.

AmoryBlaine - Today at 8:23 PM
Belivable and realistic within the setting? Well, realistically most cargo technicians aren't going to be hitting dead on shots on mercs for the first time using shotguns. But believably, I can see Cargo techs using them. You can't just choose one over the other, especially in this RP-oriented environment. You need to consider the characters involved at a personal level sometimes. I'd enforce a mixture of realism and believablitity because it helps people make 'fun' choices when you aren't stuck to realistically panicking in a corner but believably using a shotgun to defend yourself.(edited)
Please forgive any typos

DatBerry - Today at 8:26 PM
alright
how do you feel about how the staff handles the server? (from mods to ccia to devs and lore devs) anything you dislike or wish to change?
(afk a bit)

AmoryBlaine - Today at 8:41 PM
No real hard complaints. At most I wish there was a heavier focus on the realism and believability as was asked of in the last question. And maybe a bit more professionalism in the discord. They are authority figures in this community. It is best not to confuse how things operate. I also dislike how some staff may act and apply bans for differently than others. There should be a more defined way of handling things it seems. That's just my opinion, even though I prefer to work without restraints.

DatBerry - Today at 9:06 PM
how do you think the community percieves you as a player?

AmoryBlaine - Today at 9:09 PM
I dunno. Sec main, hates antag rounds, is a bit heated when things don't go his way. Snowflake, maybe.
IS heated. Rather.

DatBerry - Today at 9:11 PM
the point that was always raised about you is that you get heated when things don't go your way, sometimes over the top, even over small things
how do you think you'll be able to handle this as a moderator?

AmoryBlaine - Today at 9:12 PM
Well, it's a job. So however I feel is overrided by the rules and regulations of the position I hold.

DatBerry - Today at 9:15 PM
are you sure you can suppress the anger?

AmoryBlaine - Today at 9:17 PM
WHAT DO YOU MEAN, YOU THINK I CAN'T???
:smirk:
Yes, I think I can.
In the past as Moderator the only instances where it became an issue also coincidentally had other Moderators dropped or trials ended. They stemmed from inefficient team members not pulling their weight.
Yeah, that's about it. Can't recall anything else.

DatBerry - Today at 9:21 PM
to be honest we see it as a big issue, and it's probably the biggest hurdle before your trial

AmoryBlaine - Today at 9:21 PM
Yeah, reasonable.
I can't exactly show you me being not angry as Trial though while not trial.

DatBerry - Today at 9:24 PM
I think this pretty much covers everything I have, I should probably prepare these interviews in advance next time
do you have anything you want to note?

AmoryBlaine - Today at 9:25 PM
It was alright, I think it went well even with the breaks between. No, nothing.

DatBerry - Today at 9:25 PM
alright, do you want your interview to be public or just shared between the moderation team?

AmoryBlaine - Today at 9:26 PM
Transparency is best, in my opinion.