[4:52 PM] Alley: honestly I would say Erzie is the least of our problems right now
[4:52 PM] Durandal: The least of your problems maybe.
[4:53 PM] Alley: https://youtu.be/1SakIt7KEmY
YouTube
Wesker DC
Trump NEMPs the server

[4:53 PM] Durandal: Now we have to deal with firing a guy we no longer have justification for firing.
[4:53 PM] Alley: this is your problem as well
[4:53 PM] Alley: because alex and kazinsal have yet to say anything
[4:53 PM] Durandal: I mean I don't program so there isn't a whole lot I can do about it besides fucking poke people.
[4:54 PM] Durandal: I've @ messaged them both in the dept heads chat.
[5:20 PM] Alley: https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/432980094546477056/523622232887656453/unknown.png

[5:20 PM] Alley: https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/522961341217112079/523623026714083343/screen189.jpg

[5:21 PM] Durandal: Yeah we're aware of what is happening.
[5:21 PM] Durandal: More photos doesn't help?
[5:22 PM] Durandal: Troy and Alex are both not here right now.
[5:24 PM] Alley: just saying
[5:24 PM] Alley: the event is tomorrow
[5:25 PM] Durandal: Do we know who this person is?
[5:25 PM] Durandal: Like, is it softpaw for sure?
[5:25 PM] Alley: none knows
[5:25 PM] Alley: but he did state this is all because karlotta got banned
[5:26 PM] Durandal: Where did they state this?
[5:26 PM] Durandal: In conn or w/e
[5:26 PM] Durandal: ?
[5:26 PM] Alley: ingame to skorak
[5:28 PM] Alley: TenacityDGCToday at 8:30 PM
admins that damn hacker is back in conn
and demanding that they unban karlotta or he'll keep nemping everything, lmao
[5:28 PM] Alley: they also talked about it in the  public discord
[5:28 PM] Durandal: Wild thought:
[5:28 PM] Durandal: Unban Karlotta.
[5:28 PM] Alley: inferno doesn't want to so
[5:28 PM] Durandal: At least until we can fix the fucking exploit.(edited)
[5:29 PM] Durandal: Fuck inferno, he can go right off the edge of my, your, and Skorak's dick.
[5:29 PM] Durandal: We'd rather let this shit keep happening instead??? lol.
[5:29 PM] Alley: skorak wants to cancel the servers if no fix is found
[5:29 PM] Durandal: Skorak being dramatic.
[5:29 PM] Durandal: In other news the sky is blue.
[5:30 PM] Durandal: Now here's a thought:
[5:30 PM] Durandal: If this person is soooooo good at evading bans, getting ingame, and fucking shit up,
[5:30 PM] Durandal: Why can Karlotta not do the same, assuming they're the same person or on friendly terms.
[5:30 PM] Durandal: Unless its political.
[5:31 PM] Alley: Karlotta wants to play the game though
[5:31 PM] Alley: and unless it's actually a community member, that person does not look like to care(edited)
[5:31 PM] Alley: last time softpaw showed up he didn't
[5:32 PM] Alley: he just wanted to blow shit up and piss us off
[5:32 PM] Alley: I kept him at bay with a trick specifically crafted for him, but it won't work here
[5:32 PM] Durandal: Can you explain why?
[5:32 PM] Alley: I am not sure if I'm allowed to talk to you about that
[5:33 PM] Alley: I guess I can without details(edited)
[5:34 PM] Alley: There's a huge chunk of the anticheat that isn't public
[5:34 PM] Alley: nor was it ever distributed
[5:34 PM] Durandal: Beyond the chook which Alex has access to?
[5:34 PM] Alley: some of that stuff would be considered illegal if known
[5:34 PM] Alley: yes, there's some stuff I haven't given access to anyone
[5:35 PM] Alley: nor I have explained
[5:35 PM] Durandal: Interesting. Not sure where it'd be if not in chook or serverside.
[5:35 PM] Alley: Skorak knows about its existence, but I have not given him details
[5:36 PM] Alley: so don't bother asking him because he knows nothing more than it exist
[5:36 PM] Alley: I did this for Doj as well, traps specifically laid out for them
[5:36 PM] Alley: I  gave the admins a new ban system as a higher level complement to the existing ban systems
[5:37 PM] Alley: it works to keep them at bay for a while if they get past the traps
[5:37 PM] Alley: works for most people/script kiddies
[5:38 PM] Alley: but there is little we can do against someone that is capable of what I assume is modification of the packets before they are sent to the server
[5:38 PM] Alley: the protocol isn't ours, we don't have the source, we can't change it
[5:38 PM] Durandal: That doesn't seem real to me.
[5:39 PM] Durandal: If this is something people are capable of doing, then why are all gameservers in existence currently not... not in existence.
[5:39 PM] Durandal: What countermeasures do they possess that we do not?
[5:39 PM] Alley: because they don't use a shit protocol
[5:39 PM] Alley: the packets have encryption and checksums
[5:39 PM] Alley: fl literally has nothing
[5:40 PM] Alley: if you document yourself on directplay you can do whatever you want
[5:40 PM] Alley: that's what Matt did for the client hook
[5:40 PM] Alley: the client hook is entirely about sending and receiving packets that should not be there
[5:40 PM] Durandal: So I'm going to reach a little bit here and assume that by 'traps" what you did was gathered hardware IDs and specifically banned them.
[5:40 PM] Durandal: Since I can't think of any other plausible way to do that.
[5:40 PM] Durandal: Why does it not work in this case?
[5:41 PM] Alley: hardware bans already existed
[5:41 PM] Alley: as skorak noticed, the IDs change every time he connects to the server
[5:41 PM] Alley: and it's somehow reaching to shareds too
[5:42 PM] Alley: besides there's clearly refire cheats, economy cheats, system cheats and all kind of shit
[5:42 PM] Alley: and nothing is being picked up
[5:43 PM] Durandal: I'm interested in how doj and co executed all of this high level stuff and were stopped. What was it that they did differently?
[5:43 PM] Alley: they didn't
[5:43 PM] Alley: it was someone else
[5:43 PM] Alley: a guy that didn't even play fl
[5:43 PM] Alley: that dude just gave them a way to unleash hell on the server
[5:44 PM] Durandal: Okay, what technology did they use though?
[5:44 PM] Durandal: Not interested in who was responsible, only how the current situation differs from that one.
[5:45 PM] Alley: I don't know actually
[5:45 PM] Alley: I mean when you do cheating
[5:45 PM] Alley: you don't really have much choice
[5:45 PM] Alley: it's c++
[5:46 PM] Alley: most cheats are about fucking around with the memory
[5:48 PM] Durandal: I really think it would be interesting to unban Karlotta and see what actually happens.
[5:49 PM] Alley: also btw
[5:49 PM] Alley: there is one thing that I can say
[5:49 PM] Alley: if you reveal it, deal with the consequences
[5:50 PM] Alley: there is actually one thing I never told anyone
[5:50 PM] Alley: ever wondered what directplay8.dll is about
[5:50 PM] Durandal: Aha.
[5:50 PM] Durandal: Yeah actually I did.
[5:50 PM] Alley: it's actually the real anticheat
[5:50 PM] Alley: there is nothing in dsace.dll except garbage
[5:50 PM] Durandal: So I can agree not to reveal that info - however
[5:51 PM] Durandal: Can Kaz and Alex actually do anything without that info?
[5:51 PM] Alley: but there is code that will detect the presence of a debugger
[5:51 PM] Alley: and if fuck around too much with it
[5:51 PM] Alley: you have a high chance of triggering code that will wipe out your system32
[5:51 PM] Alley: and yea, they know
[5:52 PM] Alley: the build output is directplay8.dll
[5:52 PM] Durandal: So they know, ok.
[5:52 PM] Alley: I actually lost the source of the bogus dsace dll
[5:52 PM] Alley: sad face
[5:52 PM] Alley: it was beauty
[5:53 PM] Durandal: Does Cameron know?
[5:53 PM] Alley: no one does
[5:54 PM] Alley: this is one of the few things I have never revealed
[5:54 PM] Durandal: Well.. Alex and Kaz know, and they're not.. no one?
[5:54 PM] Alley: Alex and Kazinsal know the dsace dll real name is directplay8
[5:54 PM] Alley: that's in the visual studio output config
[5:54 PM] Alley: but I never told anyone until now what the bogus dsace did
[5:55 PM] Durandal: Okay, so standby.
[5:55 PM] Alley: as I said, do what you want with that information
[5:55 PM] Durandal: [5:25 PM] Kazinsal: presumably banning whoever's involved
[5:29 PM] Kazinsal: step number two is you reduce the incitement of panic by telling people that if they glorify severe cheating incidents we're going to assume they're involved
[5:30 PM] Kazinsal: step number three is to turn on the anticheats I developed to defeat DPC back in the day because it looks like this is just that shit
[5:30 PM] Kazinsal: I don't know why alley turned those off
[5:32 PM] Kazinsal: @Alex what version of VS do we use for DSACE these days
[5:33 PM] Kazinsal: and why is this shit all split up into two DLLs now
[5:33 PM] Kazinsal: what the fuck did you people do to my anticheat while I was away
[5:45 PM] Kazinsal: what
[5:45 PM] Kazinsal: the fuck
[5:45 PM] Kazinsal: did alley do
[5:45 PM] Kazinsal: I'm fuckin pissed off now
[5:46 PM] Kazinsal: now I have to go find my old 2014 copy of DSAce
[5:46 PM] Kazinsal: so I can go salvage the DPC-defeating code
[5:46 PM] Kazinsal: because it's just not even in the anticheat right now
[5:46 PM] Kazinsal: for reasons
[5:55 PM] Durandal: Are you sure he knows that shit is in the right dll? :joy:
[5:55 PM] Durandal: And does he know that it'll kill sys32 if he fucks w/ it?
[5:55 PM] Alley: if he cannot read visual studio's properties window I am sorry for him
[5:56 PM] Durandal: Look, if you want his help, I think you should be in a chat collaborating with him on this. He has been away for awhile and has not had to touch the AC for a very long time.
[5:56 PM] Durandal: Or, well.. the "didn't have to" is debatable.
[5:56 PM] Durandal: But he hasn't, and now he is.
[5:56 PM] Durandal: So can we get the two of you working together on this, or?
[5:57 PM] Durandal: I do not want to be a messenger here because that could result in me leaking information that I don't even understand isn't supposed to be leaked.
[5:57 PM] Durandal: I feel like I'm walking on egg shells here because I do not know how much of this Troy, Alex, and Cameron are supposed to know.
[5:59 PM] Alley: I mean
[5:59 PM] Alley: I'm not the one that's not answering PMs
[5:59 PM] Durandal: Well as I understand it you're all in a chat now.
[6:00 PM] Durandal: I really hope you two can actually collaborate on this.
[6:00 PM] Alley: I'm not the one causing issues here
[6:00 PM] Durandal: Okay? I'm not accusing you.
[6:01 PM] Durandal: It was a general statement.
[6:01 PM] Alley: No I know
[6:01 PM] Alley: but saying all this to me is useless as I've been trying for weeks to get him to work on stuff, to get no answer
[6:02 PM] Alley: so now all of a sudden he's going to need me because he's in the position of having to do something
[6:02 PM] Alley: but what then
[6:02 PM] Alley: back to not answering questions about ongoing issues? fun