Tutoring: FireMage

[21:41]	FireMage	Hey Django!
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[21:44]	Djangoo	oh hi dude
[21:45]	Djangoo	sorry i was kinda busy, didn't notice you on IRC
[21:45]	FireMage	It's cool
[21:45]	FireMage	I was on TF2 + Guild Wars, so I didn't really notice either
[21:48]	Djangoo	haha cool
[21:48]	Djangoo	anyway you wanna start?
[21:48]	FireMage	Sure
[21:48]	FireMage	Sooner the better, right?
[21:48]	Djangoo	pretty much yeah
[21:49]	Djangoo	ooook to start I'll just ask a few questions
[21:49]	Djangoo	how much pokemon have you played? like how much do you know about the game etc
[21:49]	FireMage	Well, I'm experienced in VGC
[21:50]	FireMage	Competed in three of those
[21:50]	Djangoo	oh right
[21:50]	FireMage	Did alright
[21:50]	Djangoo	so you know about type charts, evs and all those basics
[21:50]	Djangoo	just making sure
[21:50]	FireMage	Yep
[21:50]	Djangoo	and I assume you've got a basic grasp on prediction etc
[21:50]	FireMage	Basic, yeah
[21:51]	Djangoo	ok well thats a good start
[21:51]	Djangoo	so I guess the next quesiton, how much NU have you plated?
[21:51]	Djangoo	played*
[21:51]	FireMage	I have a good idea of what sort of sets each Pokémon can ru
[21:52]	FireMage	*Run
[21:52]	FireMage	As a whole, not much
[21:54]	Djangoo	hmm ok
[21:54]	Djangoo	yeah I've seen you join some tournaments in NU
[21:54]	Djangoo	so i guess you are aware of it a bit, which is good
[21:55]	Djangoo	ok last question
[21:55]	Djangoo	what do you actually want to get out of this
[21:56]	FireMage	Mostly get used to a metagame which constantly fluxes
[21:56]	FireMage	and where a lot of under-rated playstyles and Pokémon can be used
[21:56]	Djangoo	hmmm ok
[21:57]	FireMage	Team Building is also somthing I sttruggle with, haha.
[21:57]	FireMage	*Something
[21:57]	Djangoo	well i was about to suggest that
[21:57]	Djangoo	it basically all starts at teambuilding
[21:58]	Djangoo	ok so
[21:58]	Djangoo	have you had a go at building any NU teams before?
[21:58]	FireMage	I've built the one for the NUlympics
[21:59]	FireMage	And I also built one for the Magmortar meta
[21:59]	Djangoo	hmm could I have a look at them?
[22:00]	FireMage	Sure, If I can find them
[22:00]	Djangoo	lol
[22:01]	Djangoo	if not its fine, I just wanna try and see how the teams are
[22:01]	FireMage	http://pastebin.com/hEseLNxT
[22:01]	FireMage	Nulympics
[22:02]	FireMage	Going to have to dig about and see if I can find magmortar team
[22:03]	Djangoo	actually don't worry about that one this one is fine
[22:04]	Djangoo	ok cool you know how to ev and make good movesets i can move a lot quicker
[22:04]	FireMage	just as good, I don't seem to have it anymore
[22:04]	Djangoo	lol
[22:04]	Djangoo	sooooo, do you have a process you go through when teambuilding, or not?
[22:04]	FireMage	Normally, I choose a pokémon I'd like to use and then build around that
[22:05]	FireMage	"Oh, I've heard that X pokémon is good in the current meta, let's give it a go"
[22:05]	Djangoo	cool your not just throwing random shit toegther
[22:05]	Djangoo	anyway the best way to learn is to do it
[22:05]	Djangoo	so lets build a team
[22:06]	FireMage	Ok, then!
[22:06]	Djangoo	so yeah, like you said pick a pokemon
[22:06]	Djangoo	it can be pretty much anyway, as long as its not completely trash in NU
[22:08]	FireMage	Miltank
[22:09]	Djangoo	alright miltank is cool
[22:10]	Djangoo	it can be offensive or defensive too
[22:10]	Djangoo	so here lets make a decision, what sort of team do you want to make?
[22:11]	FireMage	Offense seems easier to do in this meta.
[22:11]	Djangoo	yeah they 100% are
[22:11]	Djangoo	stall gets shut down by stuff like zangoose way too easily
[22:11]	FireMage	Defenisve sets
[22:12]	FireMage	yeah
[22:12]	FireMage	Can't wait forRU to snap it up, and for it to get neutered by Qwilfish <3
[22:12]	Djangoo	haha yeah
[22:13]	Djangoo	so miltank can do a few cool things for offense
[22:13]	Djangoo	Stealth Rock is always useful, as is being able to hard counter amoonguss
[22:14]	Djangoo	or it can go down the scrappy route and lure in ghost types
[22:14]	Djangoo	but the main problem with Miltank is that it gets shut down by most rock types
[22:14]	Djangoo	even if it runs Earthquake
[22:15]	Djangoo	so lets leave the details of miltank until we know more about the team
[22:15]	Djangoo	and find something that can take out any rock types easily
[22:15]	Djangoo	making sense?
[22:15]	FireMage	Yep.
[22:16]	Djangoo	something thats gotten really popular lately is special samurott
[22:17]	Djangoo	which does exactly that, and can also benefit from miltank beating amoonguss and other grass types, if we decide to go that route
[22:17]	Djangoo	you've also got other stuff like Ludicolo that does the same thing
[22:17]	FireMage	I'd prefer to use Ludicolo
[22:18]	FireMage	Seeing as Carracosta is gaining popularity
[22:18]	FireMage	-from what I can gather from the megathread
[22:18]	Djangoo	well samurott can still beat carracosta pretty easily, but they do serve basically the smae role
[22:19]	Djangoo	so lets go with ludicolo for now
[22:20]	FireMage	Ok, we can always change it ifLudicolo doesn't perform.
[22:20]	Djangoo	of course
[22:20]	Djangoo	ok so we've got a basic team forming, miltank and ludicolo removing each others counters
[22:20]	Djangoo	and attempting to sweep
[22:21]	Djangoo	what we should do now is see if anything can stop BOTH of them
[22:21]	Djangoo	looking at NU...
[22:21]	FireMage	Hm.
[22:23]	Djangoo	hmm defensively there is not a lot which can beat it
[22:23]	Djangoo	which is really good
[22:23]	Djangoo	the only issue could be very bulky psychic types like musharna
[22:24]	FireMage	So we'll need something that can beat Musharna (or other bulky Psychic types) without damaging our synergy too much
[22:26]	Djangoo	ideally yes
[22:27]	FireMage	I quite like the Idea of using Misdreavus
[22:27]	FireMage	Immune to Miltank's weakness
[22:28]	Djangoo	yeah missy and miltank make a great pair actually
[22:28]	FireMage	Similarly, Miltank can take Shadow Balls
[22:28]	FireMage	from Bulky Psychics like Musharna + Gardevoir
[22:28]	Djangoo	and misdreavus blocks rapid spin if it comes to that
[22:29]	Djangoo	so ok we can go with Misdreavus
[22:29]	FireMage	Which keeps Stealth rock from Miltank up.
[22:29]	Djangoo	ok there shouldn't be a single pokemon that beats all three of those
[22:30]	Djangoo	which means our team can't really be weak to anything defensively, if you get what I'm saying
[22:30]	FireMage	Yeah.
[22:31]	FireMage	We're able to take a hit and respond appropirately.
[22:31]	Djangoo	yeah
[22:31]	FireMage	Well, if my spelling doesn't kill them off first.
[22:31]	Djangoo	lol
[22:31]	FireMage	bare with me, lol
[22:31]	FireMage	*Bear
[22:32]	Djangoo	its fine I'm just as bad
[22:32]	Djangoo	I spelt winner winnder in an NU post
[22:32]	Djangoo	>_>
[22:32]	Djangoo	anyway
[22:32]	FireMage	Official one?
[22:32]	Djangoo	yeah lol
[22:32]	FireMage	Ouch
[22:33]	Djangoo	anyway we need to look and see if we are weak to any other offensive pokemon
[22:34]	Djangoo	one thing I do notice is that we have no flying resist
[22:34]	FireMage	Ludicolo could get hit hard on the physical side
[22:34]	Djangoo	meaning both braviary and swellow can destroy us
[22:34]	FireMage	Flying types
[22:35]	FireMage	Hm, Regirock or Golem would progably be good in this situation.
[22:37]	FireMage	Although, I think Rotom-F might be a good idea
[22:37]	Djangoo	rotom-f gives us a nice electric weakness as well
[22:37]	Djangoo	and makes a great revenge killer to a lot of pokemon
[22:38]	FireMage	I hope you mean electric resist
[22:38]	FireMage	lol
[22:39]	Djangoo	...
[22:39]	Djangoo	yes
[22:39]	Djangoo	smh
[22:39]	FireMage	Maybe I should ask if I could tutor you as little, lmao
[22:40]	Djangoo	hahah hush I'm just tired
[22:41]	FireMage	I'll accept that
[22:41]	Djangoo	so yeah rotom-f works
[22:41]	Djangoo	boltbeam resist is sexy
[22:42]	FireMage	Agreed
[22:43]	FireMage	I've just used the Team Builder, we've got 2 2x Weaknessses to Fighting. I'm sure Misdreavus can't wall everything.
[22:44]	Djangoo	a good obervation
[22:44]	Djangoo	so we should try and work another fighting resist into the final two pokes
[22:46]	FireMage	Somewhat Unorthadox, but seeing as most fighting attacks are physical, would Vilepume work?
[22:47]	Djangoo	it could, the only problem to consider is that it somewhat doubles up on typing with Ludicolo
[22:48]	Djangoo	and if we are going to use Vileplume, then we should also consider why we wouldn't use Amoonguss
[22:48]	FireMage	Hm.
[22:48]	FireMage	Didn't consider Amoongus, lol.
[22:48]	Djangoo	its certainly usable, we just need to make sure the wat we use it isn't outclassed
[22:49]	FireMage	We could use Evolite Golbat as well.
[22:50]	FireMage	4x Resist + a ground Immunity (Which we have a lot of)
[22:51]	Djangoo	golbat gives us the right typing
[22:52]	Djangoo	just not really the...offensive presence
[22:52]	Djangoo	i think the one thing we really lack at the moment
[22:53]	Djangoo	is a sort of "nuke" pokemon
[22:53]	FireMage	Stunfisk
[22:53]	FireMage	lol
[22:53]	Djangoo	lol
[22:53]	FireMage	They'd die from lack of Oxygen
[22:53]	Djangoo	miltank missy and ludicolo are really good
[22:53]	Djangoo	but all rely on prediction to get their job done
[22:54]	Djangoo	something like...exeggutor
[22:54]	Djangoo	with choice specs
[22:54]	Djangoo	can basically just spam its STAB moves and completely wreck a team
[22:54]	Djangoo	for your other pokemon to clean up
[22:54]	FireMage	Hmm. I thought Eggy needed Sun to clean up
[22:54]	FireMage	or punch holes
[22:55]	Djangoo	not particularly
[22:55]	Djangoo	its fast enough to outrun defensive pokemon
[22:55]	Djangoo	and STAB Leaf Storm / Psychic hurts basically everything
[22:55]	Djangoo	sun DOES work though
[22:55]	Djangoo	and a double weather team(with ludicolo) could be really interesting
[22:56]	FireMage	Tried Dual Weather in OU
[22:57]	Djangoo	how'd it work out?
[22:57]	FireMage	It was alright
[22:57]	FireMage	a lot of options for Rain and Sand
[22:57]	Djangoo	it might work out better without the perma weather
[22:57]	FireMage	Yeah.
[22:57]	Djangoo	since you have more control over when you want to set up what
[22:57]	Djangoo	anyway, I highly reccommend eggy
[22:58]	Djangoo	you don't have to use it of course
[22:58]	Djangoo	it just gives you nice resists and helps to break down walls
[22:59]	FireMage	Yeah
[23:00]	FireMage	I'm worried about compounding key weknesses, though.
[23:00]	FireMage	Namely Fire and Flying
[23:00]	Djangoo	well, we still have one teamslot left
[23:00]	Djangoo	and both of those are solved by adding a rock type...
[23:00]	FireMage	Or Camerupt
[23:00]	FireMage	lol
[23:01]	Djangoo	doesn't resist flying
[23:01]	Djangoo	MAGCARGO
[23:01]	FireMage	YES
[23:01]	FireMage	MEGCARGO ALL THE WAY
[23:01]	Djangoo	no really if you take anything out of this
[23:01]	Djangoo	let it be not to use magcargo.
[23:02]	FireMage	But I have eggs to hatch!
[23:02]	Djangoo	then use slugma
[23:02]	Djangoo	much cooler
[23:02]	FireMage	I really wish there was a Ghost/Rock
[23:03]	Djangoo	that would be so cool
[23:03]	Djangoo	I also want a steel / ghost
[23:03]	FireMage	Then this team wold be awesome
[23:03]	Djangoo	and dragon / everything
[23:03]	FireMage	*Would
[23:03]	FireMage	Lol
[23:04]	Djangoo	anywayyyyyyy
[23:04]	Djangoo	yeah we could easily solve weaknesses added by eggy by using golem / regirock
[23:04]	Djangoo	if we wanted to
[23:05]	FireMage	I'm more inclined to say Regirock
[23:05]	Djangoo	doesn't double up on an ice weakness
[23:05]	FireMage	Golem adds 2 4x Weaknesses and the electric immunity isn't too vital
[23:06]	Djangoo	Regirock is also a lot better atm
[23:06]	Djangoo	at least in my opinion
[23:06]	FireMage	Is it?
[23:06]	FireMage	You're the tutor, lol
[23:06]	Djangoo	well its a much better zangoose and cinccino check
[23:06]	Djangoo	which are both everywhere
[23:06]	Djangoo	and doesn't basically have to sacrifice itself to set up SR
[23:07]	Djangoo	an electric immuunity would be nice
[23:07]	FireMage	We've got Miltank for SR, as well
[23:07]	Djangoo	yeah true
[23:10]	FireMage	WE're still heavy on Fighting weakness.
[23:10]	FireMage	Would using Solrock/Lunatone be a viable alternative?
[23:12]	Djangoo	hmmm it could be
[23:12]	Djangoo	its just a shame they are weak to u-turn from braviary and cinccino
[23:12]	FireMage	Wouldn't it be neutral?
[23:13]	Djangoo	na rock does not resist bug
[23:16]	FireMage	Could we go Armaldo?
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[23:24]	Djangoo	woops sorry I dc'd
[23:25]	FireMage	It's ok
[23:27]	Djangoo	anywayyy
[23:27]	Djangoo	armaldo doesn't give us either of the flying or fire resists
[23:29]	Djangoo	SR + Rapid Spin is a pretty big plus though
[23:29]	FireMage	Yeah
[23:29]	Djangoo	decisions like this can pretty much go either way
[23:29]	Djangoo	generally you just want to pick one and then start testing it
[23:30]	Djangoo	and after that you'll be able to realise which qualities you actually need more
[23:30]	FireMage	I think the Paralysis and Fire/Flying resists are better.
[23:31]	Djangoo	i would tend to agree
[23:31]	Djangoo	but I guess we'll find out
[23:31]	FireMage	Especially as Exeggutor might be a little on the slow side
[23:32]	Djangoo	so now we've got 6 pokemon...time for sets / evs
[23:33]	Djangoo	I saw your other team eariler...I don't think you really need me to talk you throgh it do you?
[23:33]	Djangoo	unless you want me to of course
[23:33]	FireMage	I tend to run roughly equal amounts of Phys/Spec
[23:34]	Djangoo	how do you mean?
[23:35]	FireMage	Suppot sets that require complex IV's and knowing which speed tiers to hit I'll need help with
[23:35]	FireMage	Phys / Special attackers
[23:36]	Djangoo	well ok how about I let you do the simple ones (stuff like Rotom-F should be easy)
[23:36]	Djangoo	and just ask me questions about whatever else you want to know
[23:36]	Djangoo	speed tier and EV etc wise
[23:37]	FireMage	Ok then
[23:48]	FireMage	Ok, I've done Roto-F
[23:49]	FireMage	but I'm going to have to go for now - I'm finding it hard to oncentrate this late of night
[23:49]	Djangoo	thats fair enough I'm pretty tired too lol
[23:49]	Djangoo	your GMT +1 right?
[23:49]	FireMage	That's what it says on Smogon
[23:50]	Djangoo	cool I'll find you on IRC soon then