siddhartha 32M
Calgary, Alberta
written 7 months ago:

I just wanted so say that it was a pleasure to meet you and your daddy/sir/master. You gave me a completely different view of leather, carried a good conversation and were very welcoming. Thank you for helping to correct some of my miss conceptions.

My effort to avoid confrontation failed either as a result of Berry contacting Sar or my girl confronting Sar about his status in the leather community against my wishes. I hope that I communicated events as accurately as possible but second hand information is never 100% accurate.

My girls heart was in the right place. She held Sar in high regard and felt let down when she got information which questioned his status in the leather community. She often speaks from the heart or though emotion and gets attached easily to people and this gets her in trouble sometimes. Her heart is too big.

I also regret that Sir Kevin's name came up because it was irrelevant to our conversation with Sar and friends and I would not want to contribute to any widening of the rift between Berry and Kevin. My girl was defending herself against attacks and I need to teach her when to let things go.

I am attaching my conversation with Sar and friends so you can check it for consistency if any of this comes up in the future. On a personal level it is of little interest to me what Sar's status in the leather community is but trying to back it up though intimidation seems to be the opposite of the leather value of Modesty.

I am attaching my conversation with Sar and Friends in case any of this comes up in the future. To avoid further escalation please do not confront him about this unless he confronts you or your master about it.

Best Wishes,

John


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// HERE IS A POST OF A WALL OF TEXT OF AN MSN CONVERSATION ALSO THIS GUY CAN'T FUCKING SPELL BARRY FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF



(Vixen asked me about what I said at the Egal and said Master Berry Sent her a message)
John said: I mentioned your description of the hanky code. You are right that didn't come from your sir. My mistake. I appolagize If you would like me to correct that I will

vixen said: yes DO SO! you can go to the Eagle tomorrow! John said: ok vixen said: cause Sir got a letter from Master Barry Sar will know if you go to the Eagle or not and He says "if you do not go and not correct your lack of intelligence, I will personally hunt him down. And never speak of MY name to anyone again! you have not earned that right, and that goes for your girl too"

John said: That is find. I am cruiosu why Master Barry sid he did not know sar

vixen said: cause Master Barry doesn't recognize straight Leatherman

John said: rya says that I never said that sar said the things about the hanky code, she said that I said that you said them which would make sence but I can't promise perfect memory

Patricia says: I got you and Jon

John says: ?

vixen says: so tell me everything that was said

John says: I guess I said that I got from you (I was trying to learn about the hanky code) that if some one grabs your hanky and you didn't earn it and you are not collared by someone then you are expected to play Maybe I remembered incorrectly what you said but that is what me and rya remembered and I mentioned sar clamed to be one of the top leather people and I found it strange that berry didn't know the name. So, if I remered things wrong then that is what it is but that is what I remember and I was corrected on how the hanky system works unless it is different for strait and gay leather but I didn't get the impression that there was really a strait leather scene in calgary, atleast there is no strait leather bar

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Patricia says: ok

rya a great weekend indeed!! says: greetings everyone!

Patricia says: So I am gonna repaste

vixen says: good idea

Patricia says: John says (1:15 AM): I guess I said that I got from you (I was trying to learn about the hanky code) that if some one grabs your hanky and you didn't earn it and you are not collared by someone then you are expected to play Maybe I remembered incorrectly what you said but that is what me and rya remembered John says (1:16 AM): and I mentioned sar clamed to be one of the top leather people and I found it strange that berry didn't know the name. John says (1:17 AM): So, if I remered things wrong then that is what it is but that is what I remember and I was corrected on how the hanky system works unless it is different for strait and gay leather but I didn't get the impression that there was really a strait leather scene in calgary, atleast there is no strait leather bar

rya a great weekend indeed!! says: listens

John says: I'm not sure I used the word expeted though but regarless I was told that people don't go around grabbing other peoples hankies without premission

Sar says: first of all no there is no straight leather bar , never has been

rya a great weekend indeed!! says: yes that a hanky is an emotional attachment that has honour in it like a collar you dont go grab someones collar nor would you grab someones hanky was the referecne given to US

Sar says: well ryya since I am going to a funeral this weekend and now have to take time out of my life to go to the eagle, and when Ron and Barry remember I am going to have a chat with both of you about name dropping oh by the way I will be bringing Sir Kevin with Me,

DarKur Wolfe has been added to the conversation.

Sar says: would you like a description of the bar in detail as well

vixen says: just like the last time We went

Sar says: before I have to get ready to fly to BC over the second archway there is a sign that says Bear Crossing,

Patricia says: Ok all saving this conversation

rya a great weekend indeed!! says: well cautaion bears in area but close enough

John says: I'm not the one that siad you didn't go their it was berry that didn't remember you

DarKur Wolfe says: It seems Berry may have forgotten a name not uncommon

Sar says: that is the poll table side, there is also a stage at the end of that area at the front Also it is Barry not Berry

rya a great weekend indeed!! says: greetings Wolfe!

John says: you don't need to prove anything to me. He just said he knows everyone that goes there

Sar says: well when I show up I will talk with him, and straighten this out, and rya you will apologize

vixen says: both of you will to everyone

rya a great weekend indeed!! says: for what?

DarKur Wolfe says: Rya John I think that is fair

John says: I will apolagize if berry says I should.

Sar says: for the letter you sent me of the fantasy world

John says: and he will tell me what for huh? Who sent you a letter about a fansty world?

Sar says: John you will apologize for the actions because I will deal with you like a man

Patricia says: please may i speak...pretty please

Sar says: your GIRL did John

rya a great weekend indeed!! says: well you "claim" to be one of the top leather men in calgary yet the top leather man in calgary nor his boy nor his lover have heard your name before

Sar says: and Barry is all knowing? because he owns a gay bar?

vixen says: Barry is the one "claiming" things here

rya a great weekend indeed!! says: greetings Sir, so i had an interesting night and learned alot! and seems ever you live in a fantasy world that you are some well respected and known leather man or something or other! John and myself went to the Eagle tonight and was talking to one of the Top gay leather men in calgary. and we brought your name up and and and ummm He never heard of you or seen you before and stated you have never

Sar says: I have never claimed to be an expert

rya a great weekend indeed!! says: heard of in that bar before and showed them your profile on fet and it was confirmed that you have never been there before because they know everyone. so Master Barry has told me to tell you he would like words with you and if you are the leather man you "claim" to be that you would be meet him at the eagle next Wednesday it starts at 8. i hope we see you there to see if the man i respect is truel thats what i sent him my Master

Patricia says: Well Wolfe will have some of it tomorrow when he goes down there to talk to Barry

John says: rya, you sent sar that?

rya a great weekend indeed!! says: yes my Master that i did

DarKur Wolfe says: John Rya your so blinded by your need to fit in step back and look at what you are both doing

Sar says: gee John ever been to my seminars???

John says: ONly the p3 flogging one

Sar says: gee and why did they ask me to do it hmmmm

DarKur Wolfe says: and the sad choices of ways of saying things.

John says: rya, you should be more carful with what you say.

vixen says: john i think you need to keep a tighter leash on your "pet" i don't do anything without first telling Sir

John says: Wolf what is it exactly we are doing\ do you guys not stand behind your words? it is not my fault that berry doesn't remember you

Patricia says: Hell I asked permision to speak freely

DarKur Wolfe says: I do that is why I am going to have a talk with Barry vixen says: it's Barry john! stop calling him Berry for one

Sar says: yes I do and guess what I have some words for you since you don't , since you are a Justin |crawler

John says: opps typo what is this conversation suppose to acomplish

rya a great weekend indeed!! says: STOP, This will be handled as ADULTS not high school drama children! Now lets deal with this as ADULTS not like we are in high school i know you are protecting your honour Sar but we dont need drama

vixen says: slaps forhead if you can't see it you are so blind you need a fucking white cane! OMG!

Patricia says: Rya with You claming that Sar lived in a fantacy world You brought the Drama to Your door, as well as You are sapost to be a slave so act like one and shut the fuck up

Sar says: Drama, you wrote an offensive letter to me , and then say act like adults, you fucking lil cow

John says: Rya was out of line there but please ellaberate on what we are doing\

vixen says: and with mya's i'd like to add john grow some fucking balls

John says: vixen having fun with the random insults?

DarKur Wolfe says: Rya you realy should have choosen to let your Sir handle the situation then a simple matter of error would have stayed such

vixen says: no i'm not actually

Sar says: John don't write a cheque you can not cash

John says: Is intemidation one of your fetishes?

vixen says: i cannot believe your complete lack of comprehension to the things right in front of your face!

Patricia says: John Hunny You where told to keep a leash on that "pet" of yours yet you have not, she goes around dropping names in to a place not meny stragight men go and making Sar take time out of his day to deal with this bull shit that she is pulling

vixen says: and total lack of disrespect for People you know nothing about

DarKur Wolfe says: how long have you known Barry John and Rya?

rya a great weekend indeed!! says: Yes Sir. i agree i was wrong in my writting to Sar without my Masters permission as i usally get his approval before doing anything how ever i was just so dumb founded that the man i ONCE respected would be doing such a thing a self proclaimed leather man.

DarKur Wolfe says: simple question simple answer

John says: I really don't see much point of continuing this conversation as it seems to be mostly just insults. If there is something you need me to correct please provide specific details. Otherwise I don't have time for this drama

rya a great weekend indeed!! says: about three years Wolfe

Sar says: John drama done

rya a great weekend indeed!! says: i was ONCE heavily invovled in the leather community though i fucked up at an event and steped back from it

Sar says: so Kevin would know you then?\

rya a great weekend indeed!! says: yes he was going to train me till i screwed up

vixen says: oh really? Sir Kevin only trains boys He's GAY John says: why is this relevent to our conversation?

rya a great weekend indeed!! says: not train me as in his slave! but i was brand new to the lifestyle and he was going to help me out

Sar says: well since she claims to have been heavily involved with the Leather seen

John says: but that has nothing to do with tonight

vixen says: i guess we'll have to ask Him about this then

Sar says: and what Leather event were you at that you screwed up

rya a great weekend indeed!! says: How ever! Barry and Kevin do not get along so Sar bringing Kevin i am not sure how that will go. as Barry but it tonight, kevin is an idiot and doesent know shit but=put

Patricia says: Well this is being saved and I am sending it to Kevin as well sence his name is being droped in to it...as long as that is ok with you Sar

Sar says: fine with me

rya a great weekend indeed!! says: at the Leather Sir leather boy 2007 try outs

Patricia says: Thank You Sar

Sar says: Done will deal with this all when I am back from the funeral

vixen says: please do mya i'm sure He'd LOVE to read every word

Sar says: Wolfe give me a shout

DarKur Wolfe says: cool

Sar says: if it is not to late

Sar has left the conversation.

Patricia says: that he gets all of it

rya a great weekend indeed!! says: good night everyone Wolfe i will give you a call in the morning maybe we can do coffee or something

Patricia says: Yeah keep dreaming Rya do not bother calling and lose the number this was your third chance

rya a great weekend indeed!! says: i will wait to hear confirmation of that if that is what wolfe wishes i do

John says: Rya, it is probably not the best time till people calm down.

 rya a great weekend indeed!! says: Yes my Master

Patricia says: Wow his Wife tells you to lose the Number and you do not listen...keep pushing little girl and I will show You what abuse is

John says: Partrica, rya sometimes speeks out of emotion, she shows know ill intent but because of this her words may not be well chosen. I appolagize for this

vixen says: want me to fucking speak out of emotion right now?! do you john and rya?!

John says: I appolgized for rya doing it so why would I want you to?

Patricia says: John I have been dealing what that crap from her for a while when she does not get her way...she does this with me and with Rrmanor hell she was caught this september pulling shit by me and Rrmanor

rya a great weekend indeed!! says: and i also apologize if my words were inapropreite but i do not see where my words were choosen poorly

John says: Rya, first, avoid acusations especialy when they are not necessary If Berry wanted to say something to sar he would you can have your opion of events but you can't be gaurteed to have all the facts

rya a great weekend indeed!! says: and i never said i had all the facts! i stated what i KNOW

DarKur Wolfe says: Rya I think you need to remember your place and let John handle this he may not enjoy the fee for the responsability of owning you at a later time because of this

John says: rya, I told you specificly not to bring up what you heard to avoid drama and you certianly did not word it well

rya a great weekend indeed!! says: perhaps it would have been best if i just kept my shut

John says: which is what I told you to do

DarKur Wolfe says: And you may want to practice some silence if he so wishes it I will go talk with barry to verify the statements made

Patricia says: Wow did I not tell You earlyer to listen and shut the fuck up rya

rya a great weekend indeed!! says: yes my MAster you can punish me if you desire for this

John says: I will

DarKur Wolfe says: till wednesday your communication to me is restricted John call me tommorow morning

rya a great weekend indeed!! says: yes my Master J

ohn says: ok

Patricia says: Wolfe no i do not want her calling this house ever again...and I sure as hell do not want her back with in this house

rya a great weekend indeed!! says: do i mean that little to you mya?

Patricia says: You attack those I call family and friends....so what do You think\

rya a great weekend indeed!! says: I understand how you feel mya

John says: Sar's a big guy. He can suck it up. She said it to his face and not behind his back. She mispoke and she was/(will be) corrected

DarKur Wolfe says: all of you call it done leave this till wednesday

rya a great weekend indeed!! says: Yes Wolfe

Patricia says: Yes Wolfe I am shutting up and going off to play a game or two with my Vixen

rya a great weekend indeed!! says: have a good night and just so everyone is aware this conversation has been saved and logged

DarKur Wolfe says: John 9 am call no earlier no later

vixen says: yes it has

John says: Well, that's when I have my alarm set very interesting. Not sure what people are trying to prove

rya a great weekend indeed!! says: i agree my Master

vixen says: thinking the same thing

rya a great weekend indeed!! says: they are protecting Sar's honour

John says: Rya stop spectulating

Patricia says: Vixen come and lets play something on Facebook

rya a great weekend indeed!! says: yes my Master



siddhartha 32M
Calgary, Alberta
written 7 months ago:

hmmmmmmm...........If you want a better formatted version of this my email is:

JohnCreighton_@hotmail.com



calgleather 25M
Calgary, Alberta
written 7 months ago:

Wow.