7:38 PM - Firekip: you stated the third degree is not a straight upgrade in a post
7:38 PM - Firekip: The fuck.
7:40 PM - Vinyl Scratch™: where
7:40 PM - Firekip: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showpost.php?p=32639689&postcount=1
7:40 PM - Firekip: Dafuq.
7:40 PM - Vinyl Scratch™: Requires a Medic to be healing the target to use it to its full advantage
7:40 PM - Vinyl Scratch™: it's a SITUATIONAL weapon
7:41 PM - Firekip: When no medic beam placement it's exactly the same as the stock
7:41 PM - Firekip: when medic beam placement its BETTER than stock
7:41 PM - Firekip: AKA straight upgrade
7:41 PM - Vinyl Scratch™: nope
7:41 PM - Firekip: There's literally zero downsides compared to stock, but an upside compared to stock
7:41 PM - Vinyl Scratch™: and getting that close to a Heavy is a bad idea
7:42 PM - Firekip: (Not pub-quality ones when you have axtinguisher which is 99% a straight upgrade due to the downside being so little it's basically nonexistant
7:42 PM - Vinyl Scratch™: A straight upgrade means it can be used in every situation
7:42 PM - Firekip: Axtinguisher's an upgrade but not a straight one
7:43 PM - Firekip: Third Degree is a straight upgrade, but worse than the axtinguisher
7:43 PM - Vinyl Scratch™: it's a sidegrade
7:43 PM - Firekip: Comparing it to the stock, the third degree is better 100% of the time
7:43 PM - Firekip: It's literaly the Fire Axe with an added benefit
7:44 PM - Vinyl Scratch™: it needs a Medic to use its effect, otherwise it's just a stock reskin, which, while balanced, aren't upgrades
7:44 PM - Firekip: A stock reskin
7:44 PM - Firekip: WITH ADDED BENEFITS
7:44 PM - Firekip: You just admitted it's a straight upgrade
7:44 PM - Firekip: Do you think the amputator isn't a straight upgrade too?
7:44 PM - Vinyl Scratch™: THAT NEEDS A MEDIC
7:44 PM - Vinyl Scratch™: hm
7:44 PM - Firekip: (Stock stats but taunt = added benefit)
7:45 PM - Vinyl Scratch™: it's a straight upgrade, same with the Vow
7:45 PM - Firekip: Because it's stock with an added benefit, right?
7:45 PM - Firekip: Which is exactly what the Third Degree is compared to stock...
7:45 PM - Firekip: Axtinguisher = correct on not straight upgrade, but it still is a blatant upgrade
7:45 PM - Firekip: third degree = literal definition of straight upgrade, but not as useful as axtinguisher
7:46 PM - Vinyl Scratch™: you can use the Healing taunt/See enemy health whenever you want
7:46 PM - Vinyl Scratch™: with the TD, you need a Medic healing the target to use it to its full potential
7:46 PM - Firekip: Vow's not a straight upgrade
7:46 PM - Vinyl Scratch™: how is this not penetrating your thick skull?
7:46 PM - Firekip: There's a downside of half damage on the Vow, that means it's not a straight upgrade
7:47 PM - Vinyl Scratch™: there is?
7:47 PM - Firekip: The definition of a straight upgrade is a weapon that has benefits over the stock, but zero downsides
7:47 PM - Firekip: The Third Degree has stats equal to the stock, but with the ADDED BENEFIT of having the option to hit heal-connected players
7:47 PM - Vinyl Scratch™: only if they're being healed
7:48 PM - Firekip: yes, when they're being healed its stronger than stock, when they aren't its the same
7:48 PM - Firekip: thus, straight upgrade
7:48 PM - Vinyl Scratch™: nope
7:48 PM - Firekip: ...
7:49 PM - Firekip: Wait, they buffed vow to not half?
7:49 PM - Firekip: or am i thinking of something else
7:49 PM - Firekip: o_o;
7:49 PM - Firekip: Dafuq.
7:49 PM - Vinyl Scratch™: GRU
7:49 PM - Firekip: Gru has a downside
7:49 PM - Firekip: So it's not a STRAIGHT upgrade, but it is an upgrade
7:49 PM - Firekip: Similar situation with Axtinguisher
7:50 PM - Vinyl Scratch™: they nerfed the GRU
7:50 PM - Vinyl Scratch™: I am sad
7:50 PM - Firekip: They didn't even nerf it
7:50 PM - Firekip: They rebalanced it
7:50 PM - Firekip: It DOES deserve an actual nerf though
7:50 PM - Vinyl Scratch™: Heavy is now no longer Credit to Team
7:50 PM - Firekip: Heavy's still the most overpowered class in the game
7:50 PM - Vinyl Scratch™: the health drain was fine
7:50 PM - Firekip: Highest health and highest DPS
7:50 PM - Vinyl Scratch™: aHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
7:50 PM - Vinyl Scratch™: *steb* dead
7:51 PM - Firekip: Implying spies can't backstab well...every other class
7:51 PM - Firekip: Highest health, highest dps, always have a medic on them in pubs, have a secondary that can grant them full health AND heal teamates to half
7:52 PM - Firekip: Heavy needs a flat nerf on the entire class to the extent of making heavy/medic less gamebreakingly retarded
7:52 PM - Vinyl Scratch™: Spies ar eSUPPOSED to take out high priority targets
7:52 PM - Firekip: Like overheal only to 25% extra or something
7:52 PM - Vinyl Scratch™: Heavy's, Medics, Engineers and Snipers
7:52 PM - Firekip: Heavy not overpowered due to spy?
7:52 PM - Firekip: *heavy turns around, spy dies*
7:52 PM - Vinyl Scratch™: and Sniper
7:53 PM - Firekip: Snipers can headshot well...
7:53 PM - Firekip: everyone?
7:53 PM - Vinyl Scratch™: Heavy is a big slow target
7:53 PM - Firekip: So?
7:53 PM - Vinyl Scratch™: you try headshotting a Baby Blaster Scout
7:54 PM - Vinyl Scratch™: with full boost
7:54 PM - Firekip: Heavy's not overpowered due to him having ONE class that can KIND OF counter him. Holy fucking shit flawless logic
7:54 PM - Firekip: "Sniper rifle's balanced due to it requiring skill to do well with it" Once again...shit logic.
7:55 PM - Vinyl Scratch™: Heavy is countered by Pyro (Airblast) Sniper (Headshot) Spy (Backstabs) Scout (Meatshots) Engineer (Clever Sentry placement/Wrangler) Medic (Uber/Kritz) Teamwork, Crits, etc
7:56 PM - Firekip: >Heavy countered by pyro.
7:56 PM - Firekip: ...
7:56 PM - Firekip: Wow
7:56 PM - Firekip: I don't even think I need to fucking answer that one
7:56 PM - Vinyl Scratch™: *Airblasts into death pit*
7:56 PM - Vinyl Scratch™: *trollface*
7:56 PM - Firekip: *gets mowed the fuck down by 500 dps before the heavy dies, anyway*
7:56 PM - Firekip: "Sniper" Every fucking class can get headshotted
7:57 PM - Vinyl Scratch™: you play on Nucleus against a Pyro
7:57 PM - Firekip: >Spy...spycheck, you dumb cunt
7:57 PM - Vinyl Scratch™: have fun falling into the pit
7:57 PM - Firekip: >Scout....125 health vs 500 dps gogo
7:57 PM - Vinyl Scratch™: Dead Ringer
7:57 PM - Vinyl Scratch™: Strafe
7:57 PM - Firekip: >Engineer's Wrangler...The wrangler's a completely different story
7:57 PM - Vinyl Scratch™: Double-Jump
7:58 PM - Firekip: >Medic uber...It's totally not like you take 40 to 80 seconds for 8 seconds of uber...Kritz? Ha, heavy has more DPS than some class's CRIT BOOSTED dps
7:58 PM - Firekip: >Teamwork....Yeah, totally balanced if you need multiple people to kill ONE PERSON
7:58 PM - Firekip: >Crits .... Heavies can't crit all of a sudden?