Loreknight - Today at 2:35 PM
Though my healer is an altmer
Quintessence Adams - Today at 2:35 PM
thats what I have atm
Loreknight - Today at 2:36 PM
Someone told me a healing Templar  is best with 20 in health and the rat in magicka
Tatanko - Today at 2:36 PM
Ahh, level 23! You have nothing to worry about. It's impossible for you to make any critical mistakes at this stage
Loreknight - Today at 2:36 PM
Honestly if you use staves don't put a single point into stamina
Quintessence Adams - Today at 2:36 PM
I have always liked being a tank
Loreknight - Today at 2:37 PM
Well I mean once you get into the game money isn't a problem at that level
Houses and mounts still cost a lot yeah but reallocation is nothin
Tatanko - Today at 2:37 PM
If you want to be a tank, focus on a combo of Health (#1) and then Stamina (#2). Heavy armor. Sword and Shield.
Loreknight - Today at 2:38 PM
Healer is magicka over health
Quintessence Adams - Today at 2:38 PM
I got the Thane Watch shield from a quest
Peregrine-6BOT - Today at 2:38 PM
The results of hard work and dedication always look like luck. But you know you've earned every ounce of your success. Congratulations, you have advanced to level 9 !
Loreknight - Today at 2:38 PM
You need a fair amount of health to not be murdered, especially in pvp, but also a lot of magicka to keep your healing abilities ready
Imo do not go pvp as a healer
It halves all healing
Makes it really not fun
Quintessence Adams - Today at 2:39 PM
I suck at healing anyway
Tatanko - Today at 2:40 PM
You'll get an "Attribute Respecification Scroll" when you hit level 43. Save that for when you're totally sure what role you want the character to play.
Loreknight - Today at 2:40 PM
Also playing healer in pvp makes you want to brutally murder people that play nightblade
Quintessence Adams - Today at 2:40 PM
So, like when I play Mercy in Overwatch?
Tatanko - Today at 2:40 PM
Haha
Loreknight - Today at 2:40 PM
I suppose
Quintessence Adams - Today at 2:41 PM
Although, I'm a Mercy main, so I want to murder everyone
Loreknight - Today at 2:41 PM
What are your thoughts on Bastion
Quintessence Adams - Today at 2:41 PM
In general, or in my role
Loreknight - Today at 2:42 PM
Both
Quintessence Adams - Today at 2:42 PM
In general, he's really good for defense when you have a Reinhardt to shield him
as Mercy, I can't stand seeing him
Loreknight - Today at 2:43 PM
Ok
Remove Reinhardt from the equation
Thallassa - Today at 2:43 PM
I clicked here from my OW server and now I'm really confused
lol
Loreknight - Today at 2:44 PM
gud
Quintessence Adams - Today at 2:44 PM
I'm too squishy xd
Loreknight - Today at 2:44 PM
I'm extremely salty about overwatch lately
Thallassa - Today at 2:44 PM
I suggest putting 6-10 points in health as babby healer. And stacking magicka regen tbh
hahaha
Me too
I played terrible last night(edited)
Quintessence Adams - Today at 2:44 PM
Mood
I've been trying to learn Brigitte
If you guys need a pocket Mercy though, I'll help
Loreknight - Today at 2:45 PM
I'm sick of all the stuns and other dumb shit the game had
Also I'm usually miserable when I play as I'm a bastion main
Fuk
#off_topic
Quintessence Adams - Today at 2:46 PM
I'm hellishly salty
Altaria - Today at 2:47 PM
roles in ESO tend to be defined well by class, there's not tons of mixing it up later in the game
Thallassa - Today at 2:52 PM
That's... not really true, Altaria
like most people who heal tend to be templar, but I've seen healers of every class in my trials.
Tatanko - Today at 2:53 PM
I do agree with you @Altaria, but ESO is the only MMO I've seen where (other than "true" end game) you can reasonably get away with a lot of weird combinations
Thallassa - Today at 2:53 PM
Same thing with tank and seeing dps'rs of every class is downright common
Tatanko - Today at 2:53 PM
I'm DPS and I'm a Templar :)
I also use 2H as my main
There's a possibility I'm stubborn
Thallassa - Today at 2:54 PM
2H stamplar is really fun(edited)
and actually has the potential to be good if you practice and optimize it enough
Loreknight - Today at 2:54 PM
I know this nightlife that dies so fast to even minibosses
Night blade
Tatanko - Today at 2:55 PM
I do not consider myself to be obsessed with min/max, hell my rotation is probably terrible, but I do OK. Rarely am I the one causing any hold-ups in a dungeon.
Loreknight - Today at 2:55 PM
Fukin phone
I hate doing dungeons with other people tbh
Everyone's focused on speeding through
I want to actually look at the dungeon talk to the npcs and take the items
Thallassa - Today at 2:55 PM
That's the thing, people think "2H stamplar = bad" because end-game min-maxers won't play it because it's a few k worse than whatever other build. And non-min-maxers dont' get high enough dps on anything to show off fancy 60k parses. But if you put an off-meta build in the hands of a good player it'll be good. And if you put the most meta build possible in the hands of an average player they're not gonna do any better than average with it.
Altaria - Today at 2:57 PM
oof sorry I had bad wording
I meant that for the most part, what gets used in a certain role and class tends not to vary too much, like skills & gear
Thallassa - Today at 2:58 PM
@Loreknight I suggest finding a like-minded group for dungeons... Personally I've actually started skipping dungeon quests so that I can do them at my own speed solo later on (I can solo or duo many dungeons on normal, but prefer to do them on vet for gear). Some dungeon finder groups will even be understanding if you say "hey, is it ok if we go a bit slow so I can listen to the dialogue? I've never done this quest before." That said looting urns etc. can be done once the dungeon is over or, you know, not in a dungeon (lots of places have urns....)
Altaria - Today at 2:58 PM
there are a few roles like healer that have several go-to sets, but it stays mostly within a few sets
Loreknight - Today at 2:59 PM
There's an item set that lets you summon daedroths nigh permanently
Tatanko - Today at 3:06 PM
Let's not overwhelm @Quintessence Adams talking about sets when they're only at L23 :peteLUL~1:
I only recently got my own sets straightened out, and it took me until CP300+ haha
Ulf a.k.a TigerSeptimBoy 🐯 - Today at 3:06 PM
So what are we talking about
Tatanko - Today at 3:06 PM
Roles!
(tank, healer, DPS)
Quintessence Adams - Today at 3:07 PM
I was talking to my sister, so give me a min to read over xd
I might be stubborn, too
My character is my reccuring character, and she's always used 2h swords
Ulf a.k.a TigerSeptimBoy 🐯 - Today at 3:08 PM
And you'll be in a world of hurt if you try to do anything competitive that isn't pvp
Tatanko - Today at 3:10 PM
Not sure I understand that last statement?
Ulf a.k.a TigerSeptimBoy 🐯 - Today at 3:10 PM
2h is no bueno
only for pvp is where people actually get away with using it
Quintessence Adams - Today at 3:10 PM
I would pretend to hug my 2h sword, but that would hurt
Thallassa - Today at 3:10 PM
o.O
Ulf a.k.a TigerSeptimBoy 🐯 - Today at 3:11 PM
the irony though is
The only time where 2h is even viable is in groups where all possible buff uptimes are possible
Thallassa - Today at 3:11 PM
2H builds can pull more than enough damage in PvE. Saw one really good player do a parse on both and it was like 28k dps 2H and 33k DW or something (self buffed on dummy). The gap is going to be wayyyy smaller in Summerset too.
Ulf a.k.a TigerSeptimBoy 🐯 - Today at 3:11 PM
28k is shit
33k is shit too
Thallassa - Today at 3:12 PM
If you can pull 20k dps I'll be pretty happy with you in my vet dungeons.
You're shit.
Ulf a.k.a TigerSeptimBoy 🐯 - Today at 3:12 PM
I'm sorry I don't mince words
Thallassa - Today at 3:12 PM
I'd be surprised if more than 2 people int his channel can post a 30k+ parse self buffed on dummy.
On live, not on pts ofc. The big buffs in summerset will make it easier for everyone.
Ulf a.k.a TigerSeptimBoy 🐯 - Today at 3:13 PM
Lol
>for everyone
you mean for nightblades
Thallassa - Today at 3:13 PM
Do you even look at parses man?
Ulf a.k.a TigerSeptimBoy 🐯 - Today at 3:13 PM
I run a pve guild Thallassa
Thallassa - Today at 3:13 PM
Or do you just assume you're awesome and everyone else is shit?
Svenja - Today at 3:13 PM
I think there are definitely more than two people here who can pull more than 30k selfbuffed on a dummy.
Ulf a.k.a TigerSeptimBoy 🐯 - Today at 3:13 PM
I've been very active on the pts
I don't think I'm awesome at all
Please don't put words in my mouth.
Quintessence Adams - Today at 3:14 PM
I was gonna go with PvE
I've never been good with PvP
Ulf a.k.a TigerSeptimBoy 🐯 - Today at 3:14 PM
Let me rephrase
IF you are playing ESO for the fact that it's a TES game
Svenja - Today at 3:14 PM
Even my raid group (and we are pretty average I think) has a requirement higher than that
Ulf a.k.a TigerSeptimBoy 🐯 - Today at 3:15 PM
and you just wanna quest, the occasional dungeon, and explore
where whatever you want
But if you want to do things like the DLC dungeons and trials
You should be informed on what is effective and isn't.
Tatanko - Today at 3:16 PM
See Ulf, you're coming at this from the perspective of absolute min/max. Not everyone has that mentality or wants/needs to play the absolute hardest content in the game.
Quintessence Adams - Today at 3:16 PM
I'm EU, and I'm guessing you're NA
Ulf a.k.a TigerSeptimBoy 🐯 - Today at 3:16 PM
Which I just explained my mindset
Tatanko
Tatanko - Today at 3:16 PM
You're being a bit aggressive saying "it's shit" ;)
Thallassa - Today at 3:16 PM
You can do every vet trial in the game pulling no more than 25k dps. It's harder, but absolutely doable.
Quintessence Adams - Today at 3:17 PM
Go hard or go home
Ulf a.k.a TigerSeptimBoy 🐯 - Today at 3:17 PM
"it's harder"
Tatanko - Today at 3:17 PM
I take no personal offense to anything you said, it just seems like you could be a little less aggressive about it
Thallassa - Today at 3:17 PM
And the vast majority of players don't pull that much.
Ulf a.k.a TigerSeptimBoy 🐯 - Today at 3:17 PM
that's disingenous
Thallassa - Today at 3:17 PM
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Svenja - Today at 3:17 PM
You can play whatever set-up you like, as long as you don't unleash it on random people via the group finder, as with very subpar builds, you just make life harder for everyone in the group.
Thallassa - Today at 3:17 PM
saying 30k dps is shit is disingenous.
Ulf a.k.a TigerSeptimBoy 🐯 - Today at 3:17 PM
Show me a group that can do vmol hm with 200k group dps
Thallassa - Today at 3:18 PM
didn't say every vet hard mode lol
jsut said every vet
Like I said if you're pulling 20k+ dps in my group finder pug I'm praising mara for blessing me with a decent player.
Ulf a.k.a TigerSeptimBoy 🐯 - Today at 3:18 PM
hell even normal vet is a big ask
Quintessence Adams - Today at 3:18 PM
Drinks with the bestieeeeee!

Ulf a.k.a TigerSeptimBoy 🐯 - Today at 3:18 PM
The way I see it
my time in this game is limited
Quintessence Adams - Today at 3:19 PM
So much for lightning the mood xd
Ulf a.k.a TigerSeptimBoy 🐯 - Today at 3:19 PM
So therefore I must make it as smooth as possible
Footfalls - Today at 3:20 PM
you have a warped view of the playerbase
Ulf a.k.a TigerSeptimBoy 🐯 - Today at 3:20 PM
Who?
Footfalls - Today at 3:20 PM
since less than 0.1% meets than threshold
Tatanko - Today at 3:20 PM
Man, if everyone had that mentality...
Footfalls - Today at 3:20 PM
so you're just setting yourself up to be mad every time
because people don't meet your 0.1% standard
Ulf a.k.a TigerSeptimBoy 🐯 - Today at 3:21 PM
point me to where I said I want everyone to be like that
Thallassa - Today at 3:21 PM
Maybe ulf only plays with full guild groups. Then he can be off in his own little world where everyone can pull 40k dps solo buffed on dummy :stuck_out_tongue:(edited)
Ulf a.k.a TigerSeptimBoy 🐯 - Today at 3:21 PM
I mean
I'm in 5 guilds. 3 of them are mine
the other 2 are training guilds
for lack of a better term
Quintessence Adams - Today at 3:22 PM
I'm in one atm
waiting for the USEP one to read my requewst
Ulf a.k.a TigerSeptimBoy 🐯 - Today at 3:22 PM
If I could invite to the EU one I would
But @Legoless a.k.a. Tigerboy Has set up the most mindless permissions in the guild
thinkVehk1
Legoless a.k.a. Tigerboy - Today at 3:23 PM
:thinkVehk:
Ulf a.k.a TigerSeptimBoy 🐯 - Today at 3:23 PM
Bruh
Quintessence Adams - Today at 3:23 PM
ah, you're EU, too xd
Ulf a.k.a TigerSeptimBoy 🐯 - Today at 3:23 PM
there's like 4 people in the guild that can invite
and they're hardly online XD
Legoless a.k.a. Tigerboy - Today at 3:23 PM
there could be more if we had volunteers
Ulf a.k.a TigerSeptimBoy 🐯 - Today at 3:23 PM
or you could you know
let anyone invite
Legoless a.k.a. Tigerboy - Today at 3:24 PM
ew no
Quintessence Adams - Today at 3:24 PM
that might be chaotic
Legoless a.k.a. Tigerboy - Today at 3:24 PM
it's not an open guild, it's for uesp community members
Tatanko - Today at 3:24 PM
PC-NA has open invite for all members Recruit and up
Ulf a.k.a TigerSeptimBoy 🐯 - Today at 3:24 PM
Okay and anyone in the NA guild can..
And we're all UESP freaks too
Loreknight - Today at 3:25 PM
Lego doesn't like new people : P
Ulf a.k.a TigerSeptimBoy 🐯 - Today at 3:25 PM
I'm just sayin that if I could invite people to the EU guild I'd go out of my way to get people here into it when they asked
Loreknight - Today at 3:25 PM
Legoless
NocturnalBOT - Today at 3:25 PM
Hail, Warder!
Ulf a.k.a TigerSeptimBoy 🐯 - Today at 3:25 PM
But back to my thing
One thing I'll never do is tell someone to play a certain way or w/e
I will however, tell them the limits of the play style they choose.
Quintessence Adams - Today at 3:26 PM
Want to play with me, Ulf?
Ulf a.k.a TigerSeptimBoy 🐯 - Today at 3:26 PM
If I was EU, I would
Thallassa - Today at 3:26 PM
The limits aren't as strict as you make them out to be.
Quintessence Adams - Today at 3:26 PM
Ah, damn
thought you were
Ulf a.k.a TigerSeptimBoy 🐯 - Today at 3:27 PM
I have a level 3 on EU
EP redguard stam sorc
Quintessence Adams - Today at 3:27 PM
Ah
Ulf a.k.a TigerSeptimBoy 🐯 - Today at 3:27 PM
I just switch over there when NA servers are acting shitty so I can just shitpost with all the russians in stonefalls zone chat
Loreknight - Today at 3:28 PM
Pycknn
Ulf a.k.a TigerSeptimBoy 🐯 - Today at 3:28 PM
And yes you're probably right saying that what I'm saying isn't as strict
Legoless a.k.a. Tigerboy - Today at 3:29 PM
@Quintessence Adams are you rendriah?
Quintessence Adams - Today at 3:29 PM
yep
Ulf a.k.a TigerSeptimBoy 🐯 - Today at 3:29 PM
however, the playerbase is going to be @Thallassa
Legoless a.k.a. Tigerboy - Today at 3:29 PM
:thumbsup:
Ulf a.k.a TigerSeptimBoy 🐯 - Today at 3:29 PM
And I can't control that
Legoless a.k.a. Tigerboy - Today at 3:29 PM
invited
Ulf a.k.a TigerSeptimBoy 🐯 - Today at 3:29 PM
So I might as well temper people to what the playerbase is gonna act like
Quintessence Adams - Today at 3:29 PM
Yaaaay ^^
Thallassa - Today at 3:31 PM
Ulf, the playerbase is nothing like what you're demanding
I've never had anyone seriously tell me that 33k dps on dummy is shit before.
That's just you.
LadyBlaire - Today at 3:33 PM
Loreknight- read your previous post about not wanting to speedrun dungeons. I'm the same way. I solo adventure more than anything else in this game which includes reading all books along the way. When I decide to do pve content I often want to know the story of the place and find all the tidbits of info along the way. I get a little bummed when the group wants to rush. I follow suit though as I don't want to slow everyone down. People have sets to get, people to see lol
Ulf a.k.a TigerSeptimBoy 🐯 - Today at 3:34 PM
I don't want to risk the time fallacy, but I've been playing this game since mid 2013 and I know the playerbase well enough to say what I am saying
Like if you go into a group scenario and you're uninformed on what is effective group play, you will get chewed out for it
Altaria - Today at 3:36 PM
I've had people say at least 35k (or more) to join the top groups, but not sure I've ever heard people go as far to say that 33k DPS is AWFUL, just not good enough
Legoless a.k.a. Tigerboy - Today at 3:37 PM
lol wtf, outfit stations cost 500 vouchers?
Ulf a.k.a TigerSeptimBoy 🐯 - Today at 3:37 PM
Like personally I'm not the kind of person to just kick someone from group for petty shit like that
I'll always take a chance on someone because I know that the people I run with don't mind, and know that we will clear whatever it is that we're doing
Altaria - Today at 3:38 PM
in a random group finder (since those are just dungeons, not trials), I'd never complain about their damage if they can pull 20k DPS
Legoless a.k.a. Tigerboy - Today at 3:38 PM
@LadyBlaire best thing about being a support role is that people can try to rush a dungeon all they like, but they'll most likely have to wait for you to finish listening to dialogue :innocent:
Altaria - Today at 3:38 PM
trials are a different world
EmperorSplishy - Today at 3:38 PM
Well self buffed dps also really depends on the class, 40k solo is pretty bad for a stamblade but impressive on e.g magplar
Ulf a.k.a TigerSeptimBoy 🐯 - Today at 3:39 PM
I'm not looking forward to Summerset at all
EmperorSplishy - Today at 3:39 PM
But if you're doing the hardest content you have the right to make sure you're only taking the best people, or you'll just end up wasting everyone's time
If you're doing nFG1 you shouldn't care who's with you
Footfalls - Today at 3:40 PM
I cannot wait for summerset
Altaria - Today at 3:40 PM
nFG1 :peteLUL~1: you could clear that with 10k group DPS
Footfalls - Today at 3:40 PM
and imbue weapon
LadyBlaire - Today at 3:40 PM
Hahaha @Legoless a.k.a. Tigerboy . I play a Templar Healer, actually. My mindset is always: Oh god, hurry up. You need to heal not read! People are dying and you're playing librarian! Perhaps I need to take on a new mindset :angel:
Altaria - Today at 3:41 PM
if a group CAN'T pull that, I'd be a little concerned
Foxic - Today at 3:41 PM
I raid with one of the top two teams in the game, and people still tell me when I join other guild runs that some classes aren't allowed to run. It's a ridiculous notion in the state of the game
Altaria - Today at 3:42 PM
"I'm in the top 50 in the game" "yeah well your build is dumb, leave group"
EmperorSplishy - Today at 3:42 PM
Well I tanked a vCoA1 with 10k group dps, it was deathless but took 40 mins lol
Ulf a.k.a TigerSeptimBoy 🐯 - Today at 3:42 PM
In this case for fox, it's actually really top 2
he can say that effectively lol
Foxic - Today at 3:42 PM
And like I say it til I'm blue in the face that it isn't the class it's the player, and the larger community still won't listen
LadyBlaire - Today at 3:43 PM
Yeah, that's unfortunate :/
Peregrine-6BOT - Today at 3:43 PM
The results of hard work and dedication always look like luck. But you know you've earned every ounce of your success. Congratulations, you have advanced to level 2 !
Altaria - Today at 3:43 PM
:open_mouth: huh I knew he was really good but didn't realize he was that good
Foxic - Today at 3:43 PM
It's simply not possible to sway a toxic player no matter what credibility you have
Ulf a.k.a TigerSeptimBoy 🐯 - Today at 3:43 PM
That's why I'm saying what I am
Altaria - Today at 3:43 PM
I care way more about their ability to survive than their build tbh
Ulf a.k.a TigerSeptimBoy 🐯 - Today at 3:44 PM
You can't reason with them, so you have to know what to expect
from those types
Altaria - Today at 3:44 PM
now sometimes that mixes, like in DPS tests
Quintessence Adams - Today at 3:44 PM
Idk where that chat went
Ulf a.k.a TigerSeptimBoy 🐯 - Today at 3:44 PM
But yeah, I mainly pvp
summerset is gonna be no bueno
Altaria - Today at 3:44 PM
but generally I'm fine with a 40k group DPS (or even less) if the group can survive and not die
Thallassa - Today at 3:45 PM
@Legoless a.k.a. Tigerboy fyi the "dye station" acts as an outfit station, it just doesn't have the fancy outfit station appearance
Ulf a.k.a TigerSeptimBoy 🐯 - Today at 3:45 PM
so like
ZOS isn't really going to do anything about templars at all it seems
when half of my pvp characters are templars..
so yeah, I'm not too pleased