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  1. 5:06:02 PM+SimpleJakMaking sausage from non-humans is unethical.
  2. 5:07:05 PM+SimpleJakI hope that's obvious.
  3. 5:07:32 PM+BS_LewisI am a cringeneer. AMA.
  4. 5:08:20 PM+BS_LewisMy answer will get me kickbanned.
  5. 5:08:40 PM+BS_Lewis[e]
  6. 5:09:07 PM+SimpleJak"See, what I like to do, is I hunt the humans. Sometimes I devise little traps and the humans get ensnared in them. Sometimes I just shoot them, though. Other times, I raise their offspring only to put a bolt in their head. Later, I start the sausage making process..'
  7. 5:09:08 PM+BS_LewisNice
  8. 5:09:20 PM+SimpleJakSee how it sounds psychopathic?
  9. 5:09:32 PM+BS_LewisSimpleJak: No
  10. 5:09:33 PM+SimpleJakThat's how it sounds when you get more aware when you replace human with 'chicken' or 'cow' or 'pig'.
  11. 5:10:10 PM+SimpleJakPsychopathy is traditionally a personality disorder characterized by persistent antisocial behavior, impaired empathy and remorse, and bold, disinhibited, and egotistical traits.[1] It is sometimes considered synonymous with sociopathy. Different conceptions of psychopathy have been used throughout history that are only partly overlapping and may sometimes be contradictory.[2]
  12. 5:11:03 PM+SimpleJakYour position is somebody who engages in the above is not really consistent with "antisocial behavior, impaired empathy and remorse, and bold, disinhibited, and egotistical traits".
  13. 5:11:13 PM+SimpleJakI will reject this position, prima facie.
  14. 5:11:16 PM← FireInfinite has quit (Quit: Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day. Teach him how to fish, and he will sit in a boat and drink beer all day)
  15. 5:11:29 PM+SimpleJakIf you have evidence or argumentation in support of your position, I will hear it.
  16. 5:11:47 PM+SlugsWhat's the point
  17. 5:11:57 PM+SimpleJakSlugs: I lead with my point.
  18. 5:12:04 PM+SimpleJakI'm really good at debate like that.
  19. 5:12:10 PM+SimpleJakMaking sausage from non-humans is unethical.
  20. 5:12:16 PM+Slugsthese people never argue in anything that resembles good faith, they just want to trap you in their weird little idiot things
  21. 5:12:26 PM+Slugsso what's the fucking point
  22. 5:12:30 PM+BS_LewisSimpleJak: Your mind isn't working correctly. You're being effected by anthropomorphic sympathy - a byproduct self-conception and self-selection social strategies projected onto other non-reciprocating non-human species.
  23. 5:12:57 PM+SimpleJakBS_Lewis: You have made a claim. Claim received.
  24. 5:13:24 PM+Slugsyou have to keep in mind that these people are the same guys that think that Donald fucking Trump is a good president
  25. 5:13:37 PM+Slugswhich immediately makes me wheeze with laughter
  26. 5:13:46 PM+SimpleJakThe current head of the queue is whether or not my description of sausage making from humans is consistent with the definition of psychopathy
  27. 5:13:55 PM+BS_LewisI understand how this happens. It happens to me. I don't think there is any logical imperative to treat animals like we treat each other, beyond those we adopt into our families (pets).
  28. 5:14:02 PM+SimpleJakDid you have any further testimony on the queue head before dequeuing?
  29. 5:14:24 PM← sardaukar has quit (Ping timeout)
  30. 5:14:32 PM+Slugscrime: Trumpism - punishment: Defenestration
  31. 5:14:33 PM+SimpleJakYou have stated it is not consistent, but have provided no evidence or argumentation.
  32. 5:15:11 PM+SimpleJakYour current point cannot be construed as an agumentation.
  33. 5:15:19 PM+SimpleJakargumentation.
  34. 5:15:21 PM+SimpleJakI hope that is clear.
  35. 5:15:29 PM← cyklOpz2 has quit (Quit: Yaaic - Yet another Android IRC client - http://www.yaaic.org)
  36. 5:15:38 PM+SimpleJak(You're discussing the motivations of the person who you claim has made a false claim.)
  37. 5:15:55 PM+SlugsThat is actually interesting
  38. 5:16:12 PM+SlugsWhat ARE their motivation for continuing to make obvious false claims about stuff?
  39. 5:16:24 PM+SimpleJakBS_Lewis: I just put you on status 2/5 for my Ignore Watch List.
  40. 5:16:38 PM+SimpleJakEstimated ignore time, in this case, will be 24 hours, I think.
  41. 5:17:10 PM+SlugsI would be surprised
  42. 5:17:19 PM+Slugssince it's clearly a false statement
  43. 5:17:28 PM← barbiedoll has quit (Quit: bbs)
  44. 5:17:29 PM+BS_LewisSimpleJak: Logical ethics are based on self interest. I don't think there is any moral imperative directly concerning treatment of non-human animals beyond anthropomorphic sympathy and the expectations of other humans (based on their anthropomorphic sympathy).
  45. 5:17:32 PM+SimpleJakFailure to respond results in ignoring, as the process of making claims and then not responding violates best practices in regards to debate.
  46. 5:17:47 PM+SimpleJakBS_Lewis: That sounds like an important point.
  47. 5:17:53 PM+SlugsHere's true fact though
  48. 5:17:55 PM+BS_LewisSimpleJak: You're too impatient. I'm eating at the same time here.
  49. 5:18:23 PM+SimpleJakBS_Lewis: Do you remember the head of the queue?
  50. 5:18:27 PM+Slugsthe number of people who seek asylum/enter via your southern border has steadily been declining since the early 1990s
  51. 5:18:33 PM+SimpleJak"See, what I like to do, is I hunt the humans. Sometimes I devise little traps and the humans get ensnared in them. Sometimes I just shoot them, though. Other times, I raise their offspring only to put a bolt in their head. Later, I start the sausage making process..'
  52. 5:18:47 PM+SimpleJakSee how it sounds psychopathic?
  53. 5:18:55 PM+SimpleJakThat's how it sounds when you get more aware when you replace human with 'chicken' or 'cow' or 'pig'.
  54. 5:19:08 PM+SimpleJakThen, you said "No".
  55. 5:19:14 PM+SimpleJakThen, I gave a definition of psychopathy.
  56. 5:20:39 PM+BS_LewisSimpleJak: You're trying to appeal to my emotions. I'm disappointed. If you think we should apply social contract theory to non-human animals, maybe state that, and don't bother trying to appeal to my anthropomorphic sympathy
  57. 5:20:46 PM+SlugsYou're just projecting so fucking hard right now aren't you NowhereMan
  58. 5:20:59 PM+SlugsEveryone knows that you're lying
  59. 5:21:00 PM+SimpleJakBS_Lewis: I have accepted you will not provide any evidence or argumentation for my claim about psycopathy.
  60. 5:21:28 PM+SimpleJakI have closed that point at this time. Conclusion: You and I agree that it is psychopathic to systematically hunt non-humans and make sausage from them.
  61. 5:21:33 PM+BS_LewisSimpleJak: I have replied twice but you're not understanding.
  62. 5:21:41 PM+SimpleJakYou may reopen this claim by enqueing.
  63. 5:21:48 PM+SimpleJakBS_Lewis: I am ready to move on to your next point.
  64. 5:21:48 PM+SlugsThat is indeed their entire strategy SimpleJak
  65. 5:22:23 PM+SimpleJakBS_Lewis: You have used the phrase "anthropomorphic sympathy" with an allusion to it a disease.
  66. 5:22:38 PM+SimpleJakThere is no psychiatric condition known as "anthropomorphic sympathy", is there?
  67. 5:22:50 PM+SlugsI would never call someone a lying cunt unless they were, but... uhhhhhhhhhhh have you fact checked literally ANYTHING trump says?
  68. 5:23:05 PM+SimpleJakBS_Lewis: Do you agree that humans are the smartest species on Earth?
  69. 5:23:09 PM+SlugsHe's a habitual liar and not fit to be president.
  70. 5:23:19 PM+SimpleJakFurther, upon observing humans, we note they are capable of empathizing with non-humans.
  71. 5:23:31 PM+SimpleJakFurther, non-humans have been observed empathizing with beings not in their 'species'.
  72. 5:23:43 PM+SimpleJakYou claim all of this represent pathology?
  73. 5:23:46 PMSheenrollsSince when has the public looked at any president or any government employee as a teller of truth?
  74. 5:24:07 PM+SimpleJakBS_Lewis: Are you aware that empathy increases with IQ?
  75. 5:24:11 PM+SlugsWho exactly do you mean are not real humans in this case NowhereMan?
  76. 5:24:23 PM+BS_LewisFirst, psychopathy is a specific term that applies to antisocial behavior, where antisocial behavior is clinical defined as lack of consideration for other people. Your point can be rejecteted simply based on definitional reasons
  77. 5:24:28 PM+SimpleJakSo, intelligence is the primary source of human uniqueness, as the smartest of our species have the most empathy, on average.
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  79. 5:24:30 PMⓘ ChanServ set mode +o sardaukar
  80. 5:24:30 PM+BS_Lewisclinically*
  81. 5:24:55 PM+SimpleJakBS_Lewis: Now you wish to discuss psycopathy again?
  82. 5:25:09 PM+SimpleJakI have enqueued this request.
  83. 5:25:14 PM+SlugsFuck you
  84. 5:25:15 PM+BS_LewisSimpleJak: Your premise is flawed for that reason
  85. 5:25:15 PM+SimpleJakWe're discussing your claims of empathy now.
  86. 5:25:20 PM+BS_LewisSloppy use of language
  87. 5:25:23 PM+SlugsYou patronizing piece of shit
  88. 5:25:54 PM+BS_LewisI predict you will put me on ignore soon because you will get frustrated. I don't think you've given this much thought
  89. 5:26:02 PM+SlugsJust because we won't accept your idiotic worldwiev?
  90. 5:26:07 PM+Slugs*worldview
  91. 5:26:08 PM+SimpleJakBS_Lewis: You are debating at a level considerably below me.
  92. 5:26:15 PM+SimpleJakSo, yes, I am considering ending my debate with you.
  93. 5:26:28 PM+SimpleJakIt's critical to use various tools like a queue to help us manage a complex debate.
  94. 5:26:29 PM+sausageMakerBlessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will
  95. 5:26:29 PM+sausageMakershepherds the weak through the valley of darkness
  96. 5:26:35 PM+SlugsSure we can, if we were misogynist pieces of shit c.a 1920
  97. 5:26:36 PM+SimpleJakOtherwise, we start to Gish gallop and learn very little.
  98. 5:26:43 PM+BS_LewisSimpleJak: Which will be all the more embarrassing for you given that I'm correcting your arguments
  99. 5:27:01 PM+SlugsYou aren't correcting SHIT
  100. 5:27:10 PM+SlugsYou're just being a stupid patronizing piece of garbage
  101. 5:27:13 PM+SimpleJakBS_Lewis: The current head of queue is 'the relationship between empathy and intelligence, and whether empathy is pathological'.
  102. 5:27:23 PM+SimpleJakI have posed several questions to you on this topic for your clarification.
  103. 5:28:08 PM+BS_LewisSimpleJak: FIFO. Lets finish deconstructing your original premise.
  104. 5:28:08 PM+SlugsYou're so fucking stupid
  105. 5:28:12 PM+sausageMakerhe came first
  106. 5:28:32 PM+sausageMakeras a true karate champion , i only come back - in self defence
  107. 5:28:42 PM+SimpleJakBS_Lewis: If you recall, that topic was closed per your lack of responses.
  108. 5:28:51 PM+SimpleJakIt was requeued, though.
  109. 5:29:05 PM+SimpleJakI am currently unwilling to discuss anything in the queue beyond the current head with you, though.
  110. 5:29:14 PM+SimpleJakBased off my perception of your debate quality.
  111. 5:29:18 PM+SimpleJakBS_Lewis: The current head of queue is 'the relationship between empathy and intelligence, and whether empathy is pathological'.
  112. 5:29:22 PM+SlugsWell at least you're good at changing the subject
  113. 5:29:28 PM+SimpleJakThis is the head because you brought it up, you'll remember.
  114. 5:29:31 PM+SimpleJakThis is your topic.
  115. 5:29:37 PM+sausageMakeryes
  116. 5:29:48 PM+sausageMakerAnd I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious
  117. 5:29:48 PM+sausageMakerAnger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers
  118. 5:29:55 PM+SimpleJakhttps://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-scientific-fundamentalist/201005/why-vegetarians-are-mor...
  119. 5:30:09 PM+SimpleJakThis indeed appears to be the case. Among the British respondents in the National Child Development Study, those who are vegetarian at age 42 have significantly higher childhood general intelligence than those who are not vegetarian at age 42. (Childhood general intelligence was measured with 11 different cognitive tests at three ages before 16.) Vegetarians have the mean childhood IQ of 109.1 whereas meat eaters have the mean childhood IQ of 100.9. The difference is large and highly statistically significant.
  120. 5:30:34 PM+sausageMakerits the bible
  121. 5:30:44 PM+SimpleJakVegetarians and vegans have higher levels of intelligence and empathy than carnists.
  122. 5:30:56 PM+SimpleJakIntelligence and empathy are two of the defining qualities of humanness.
  123. 5:31:12 PM+SimpleJakTherefore, vegetarians and vegans are the 'most' human of all humans.
  124. 5:31:17 PM+SimpleJakThat is, the opposite of pathology.
  125. 5:31:19 PM+SlugsLiterally all I ask is that you consider arguments that aren't from inforwars and fox news
  126. 5:31:25 PM+Slugsthat'd make me happy
  127. 5:32:14 PM+SimpleJakInterestingly, the strong association between childhood intelligence and adult vegetarianism is not replicated in the US. Vegetarians in early adulthood do have significantly higher childhood intelligence in junior high and high school, but the difference is not large (101.5 vs. 99.3). And it is only significant among women (101.4 vs. 98.5), not among men (101.7 vs. 100.1).
  128. 5:32:21 PM+SimpleJakThat's interesting to me.
  129. 5:33:25 PM+SlugsHey I tested at 158 IQ when I was mustering for the military 17 years ago or so, I'm not a vegetarian or in fact very smart
  130. 5:33:43 PM+Slugsas it turns out I really enjoy doing drugs
  131. 5:33:44 PM+SimpleJakSlugs: You're a single data point
  132. 5:33:52 PM+BS_LewisSimpleJak: Are you sure you want to cite that link? Satoshi Kanazawa is a known pseudo-scientist who has a known history of lacking discrimination towards studies with poor reliability for clickbait headlines
  133. 5:33:54 PM+BS_Lewishttps://www.psychologytoday.com/ca/blog/between-the-lines/201109/kanazawa-apologizes-black-unattract...
  134. 5:34:24 PM+SimpleJakhttps://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1790759/
  135. 5:34:29 PM+BS_Lewishttps://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Satoshi_Kanazawa
  136. 5:34:38 PM+SimpleJakResults 366 (4.5%) participants said they were vegetarian, although 123 (33.6%) admitted eating fish or chicken. Vegetarians were more likely to be female, to be of higher social class (both in childhood and currently), and to have attained higher academic or vocational qualifications, although these socioeconomic advantages were not reflected in their income. Higher IQ at age 10 years was associated with an increased likelihood of being vegetarian at age 30 (odds ratio for one standard deviation increase in childhood IQ score 1.38, 95% confidence interval 1.24 to 1.53). IQ remained a statistically significant predictor of being vegetarian as an adult after adjustment for social class (both in childhood and currently), academic or vocational qualifications, and sex (1.20, 1.06 to 1.36). Exclusion of those who said they were vegetarian but ate fish or chicken had little effect on the strength of this association.
  137. 5:35:42 PM+BS_LewisGood. He's doubling down on this study.
  138. 5:35:54 PM Ignoring BS_Lewis!*@*
  139. 5:35:59 PM+SimpleJakBS_Lewis: I put you on ignore.
  140. 5:36:17 PM+SimpleJakYour last post, especially, given your context, must be viewed as anti-intellectualism.
  141. 5:36:34 PM+SimpleJakYou're implying rejection of an NCBI study without argumentation -- this is a serious debate violation.
  142. 5:37:13 PM+SimpleJakI am considering a 1-7 day ignore.
  143. 5:37:37 PM+sausageMakerwhat is the age of self consent in america
  144. 5:37:37 PM+sausageMaker?
  145. 5:38:57 PM+SimpleJakBS_Lewis: I put you on ignore for 48 hours.
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