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- [07-Mar-20 05:59 PM] Shrug#7659
- @jake @levi pablo should be council
- [07-Mar-20 06:02 PM] levi#6206
- sounds good to me
- [07-Mar-20 06:02 PM] levi#6206
- what do u think jake
- [07-Mar-20 07:36 PM] brewfasa#4532
- arena trap is my vote for next suspect
- [07-Mar-20 07:36 PM] hongli#4483
- me too
- [07-Mar-20 07:37 PM] brewfasa#4532
- please do not suspect cutie before we deal with trappers
- [07-Mar-20 07:37 PM] brewfasa#4532
- that’s retarded af
- [07-Mar-20 07:37 PM] Shrug#7659
- we know my stance here
- [07-Mar-20 07:38 PM] BurntZebra#8147
- Hm idk, cutiefly doesn’t really need trapper support that much
- [07-Mar-20 07:39 PM] Serene Grace#5243
- cutiefly broken
- [07-Mar-20 07:39 PM] BurntZebra#8147
- Evio Qd roost sets hardly need it, seeing as how it beats mareanie
- [07-Mar-20 07:39 PM] BurntZebra#8147
- And can chip pawniard easily
- [07-Mar-20 07:39 PM] Serene Grace#5243
- while cutiefly does benefit from trappers, its still broken on its own merits
- [07-Mar-20 07:39 PM] BurntZebra#8147
- Only good cutiefly answer now is ferroseed, which isn’t really a target for trappers anymore
- [07-Mar-20 07:40 PM] hongli#4483
- final gambit dig
- [07-Mar-20 07:40 PM] hongli#4483
- still chips it enough
- [07-Mar-20 07:40 PM] hongli#4483
- for qt to sweep
- [07-Mar-20 07:41 PM] hongli#4483
- also evio special dig just kinda ruins ponyta's day
- [07-Mar-20 07:41 PM] hongli#4483
- if ur running that as ur qt check too
- [07-Mar-20 07:58 PM] Ninja#8225
- I’d def say cutie over arena trap
- [07-Mar-20 07:59 PM] levi#6206
- i think cutie over arena too
- [07-Mar-20 07:59 PM] Serene Grace#5243
- me too
- [07-Mar-20 07:59 PM] levi#6206
- idt cutie is broken on its offensive merits
- [07-Mar-20 08:00 PM] hongli#4483
- do you think qt would be like
- [07-Mar-20 08:00 PM] hongli#4483
- as overpowering as it is rn though
- [07-Mar-20 08:00 PM] hongli#4483
- in terms of versatility in sweeping and support
- [07-Mar-20 08:00 PM] hongli#4483
- now that timburr has the free moveslot to run fire punch or pjab
- [07-Mar-20 08:00 PM] hongli#4483
- over fog
- [07-Mar-20 08:00 PM] hongli#4483
- since no veils
- [07-Mar-20 08:00 PM] levi#6206
- it wouldnt be
- [07-Mar-20 08:01 PM] levi#6206
- its offensive strengths for sure help
- [07-Mar-20 08:01 PM] levi#6206
- but i think the majority of its brokenness is in its supporting ability (not necessarily a vast majority)
- [07-Mar-20 08:01 PM] levi#6206
- and it's o.w much more borderline than pinch/dig are
- [07-Mar-20 08:03 PM] hongli#4483
- i meant like
- [07-Mar-20 08:03 PM] hongli#4483
- qt's strengths were compounded by being able to switch into one of the best mons in the meta for free
- [07-Mar-20 08:03 PM] hongli#4483
- without having that option, it's able to get in a lot less safely and isn't able to provide as much support or pressure
- [07-Mar-20 08:04 PM] jake#8907
- agree on that
- [07-Mar-20 08:05 PM] levi#6206
- oh wait i was responding to arena trap
- [07-Mar-20 08:05 PM] levi#6206
- uh
- [07-Mar-20 08:05 PM] levi#6206
- i think so yea
- [07-Mar-20 08:05 PM] levi#6206
- burr had anti cutie options if it wanted
- [07-Mar-20 08:11 PM] Coconut#8762
- cutiefly's the way to go friends
- [07-Mar-20 08:21 PM] brewfasa#4532
- the evio cute sets lose to all the checks that would be easy to abuse without trappers
- [07-Mar-20 08:22 PM] brewfasa#4532
- trappers are an ez suspect rn and even if we deem them healthy we can know it’s just cutie
- [07-Mar-20 08:22 PM] brewfasa#4532
- u can’t tell me this sub set would be used in a trapperless meta game
- [07-Mar-20 08:22 PM] brewfasa#4532
- are people thinking it’s broken based on qd?
- [07-Mar-20 08:23 PM] Coconut#8762
- trappers don't beat eviolite ferroseed
- [07-Mar-20 08:24 PM] Coconut#8762
- and trapinch can't beat ID Mareanie
- [07-Mar-20 08:24 PM] jake#8907
- the sub set is designed to set up on stuff like mare
- [07-Mar-20 08:25 PM] Coconut#8762
- or no steel stab ferroseed
- [07-Mar-20 08:25 PM] Coconut#8762
- which is only being run for cutiefly btw
- [07-Mar-20 08:26 PM] hongli#4483
- i mean it's not like iron head is a terrible choice regardless
- [07-Mar-20 08:26 PM] Coconut#8762
- what's it hitting
- [07-Mar-20 08:26 PM] hongli#4483
- it's a decent midground and
- [07-Mar-20 08:26 PM] hongli#4483
- it hits vully
- [07-Mar-20 08:26 PM] Coconut#8762
- over twave?
- [07-Mar-20 08:26 PM] hongli#4483
- in addition to letting you actually deal w
- [07-Mar-20 08:26 PM] hongli#4483
- set up spritz & qdfly
- [07-Mar-20 08:27 PM] hongli#4483
- you can run
- [07-Mar-20 08:27 PM] hongli#4483
- both
- [07-Mar-20 08:27 PM] Coconut#8762
- then you drop hazards
- [07-Mar-20 08:27 PM] levi#6206
- usually you run it w another setter
- [07-Mar-20 08:27 PM] hongli#4483
- when you need onix/pawn for birds anyways
- [07-Mar-20 08:27 PM] Coconut#8762
- or knock
- [07-Mar-20 08:27 PM] hongli#4483
- that's not the worst thing ever
- [07-Mar-20 08:27 PM] levi#6206
- yea
- [07-Mar-20 08:27 PM] Coconut#8762
- neither of which is ideal
- [07-Mar-20 08:27 PM] levi#6206
- onix/pawn are p mandatory
- [07-Mar-20 08:27 PM] levi#6206
- anyways
- [07-Mar-20 08:27 PM] jake#8907
- i drop twave usually
- [07-Mar-20 08:27 PM] Coconut#8762
- well that's because
- [07-Mar-20 08:27 PM] Coconut#8762
- of the other broken
- [07-Mar-20 08:27 PM] Coconut#8762
- rufflet
- [07-Mar-20 08:27 PM] jake#8907
- ruff is rly good unfortunatley
- [07-Mar-20 08:28 PM] hongli#4483
- they'd be mandatory with vull too
- [07-Mar-20 08:28 PM] Coconut#8762
- but like unironically
- [07-Mar-20 08:28 PM] jake#8907
- unfortunately
- [07-Mar-20 08:28 PM] hongli#4483
- but i'd be down to suspect ruff eventually too
- [07-Mar-20 08:28 PM] levi#6206
- ruff and vull r both nuts
- [07-Mar-20 08:28 PM] hongli#4483
- incredible set variation and it's hard to tell what set it is
- [07-Mar-20 08:28 PM] hongli#4483
- based off of team composition alone
- [07-Mar-20 08:28 PM] Coconut#8762
- vull's really good but it feels a lot like last gen
- [07-Mar-20 08:28 PM] Coconut#8762
- where it was borderline
- [07-Mar-20 08:28 PM] levi#6206
- it wasnt borderline last gen
- [07-Mar-20 08:28 PM] hongli#4483
- i feel like w.o dig at least
- [07-Mar-20 08:28 PM] Coconut#8762
- and probably late suspect worthy
- [07-Mar-20 08:28 PM] levi#6206
- is was explicitly broken
- [07-Mar-20 08:28 PM] Coconut#8762
- as opposed to right now
- [07-Mar-20 08:28 PM] hongli#4483
- vull would be much better to deal w
- [07-Mar-20 08:28 PM] Coconut#8762
- while the meta is still fresh
- [07-Mar-20 08:28 PM] Coconut#8762
- and not a late suspect
- [07-Mar-20 08:29 PM] Coconut#8762
- you get what I mean by that?
- [07-Mar-20 08:58 PM] starmaster#8286
- cutie is by far the most broken mon rn
- [07-Mar-20 08:58 PM] starmaster#8286
- that should be next up
- [07-Mar-20 08:58 PM] starmaster#8286
- we can give it a week or 2 but yea
- [07-Mar-20 08:59 PM] Serene Grace#5243
- theres a ladder tour scheduled for this month, would that run concurrently with a suspect
- [07-Mar-20 09:07 PM] Coconut#8762
- no
- [07-Mar-20 09:07 PM] Coconut#8762
- ladder tour's laddering portion will be over
- [07-Mar-20 09:07 PM] Coconut#8762
- by the next suspect
- [07-Mar-20 09:17 PM] levi#6206
- lets use the ladder tour for the suspect
- [07-Mar-20 09:17 PM] levi#6206
- as a test run
- [07-Mar-20 09:17 PM] levi#6206
- well we'd have to make the pool for qualifying for the suspect much bigger than the pool for qualifying for the ladder tour
- [07-Mar-20 09:19 PM] Coconut#8762
- really not a fan of this idea
- [07-Mar-20 09:20 PM] Coconut#8762
- like really really really not a fan
- [07-Mar-20 09:20 PM] Coconut#8762
- of this idea
- [07-Mar-20 09:56 PM] jake#8907
- we're not gonna do that
- [08-Mar-20 12:45 PM] brewfasa#4532
- how is the sub set designed specifically to set up on mar
- [08-Mar-20 12:45 PM] brewfasa#4532
- are u talking to sludge bomb?
- [08-Mar-20 12:46 PM] brewfasa#4532
- no*
- [08-Mar-20 12:46 PM] brewfasa#4532
- coz sludge is always breaking your sub
- [08-Mar-20 12:46 PM] starmaster#8286
- no it just walls mareanie
- [08-Mar-20 12:46 PM] starmaster#8286
- with qd up
- [08-Mar-20 12:46 PM] starmaster#8286
- and cant be psnd
- [08-Mar-20 12:46 PM] brewfasa#4532
- yeah true
- [08-Mar-20 12:46 PM] brewfasa#4532
- but like u do that without sub
- [08-Mar-20 12:46 PM] brewfasa#4532
- it’s breaking ur subs
- [08-Mar-20 12:46 PM] starmaster#8286
- sub just avoids crits more
- [08-Mar-20 12:46 PM] starmaster#8286
- but yea
- [08-Mar-20 12:47 PM] LilyAC#7887
- sub is meant to set up on ferro
- [08-Mar-20 12:47 PM] brewfasa#4532
- yea
- [08-Mar-20 12:47 PM] brewfasa#4532
- I get that
- [08-Mar-20 12:47 PM] LilyAC#7887
- but iron head is like super common now
- [08-Mar-20 12:47 PM] brewfasa#4532
- But also 3 atk ferro is fine
- [08-Mar-20 12:47 PM] brewfasa#4532
- twave is far from mandatory
- [08-Mar-20 12:47 PM] brewfasa#4532
- and not running ih is obviously dumb in a cutie meta
- [08-Mar-20 12:48 PM] brewfasa#4532
- don’t tell me dig can’t trap evio ferro either when we were just talking about serenes final gambit squad lol
- [08-Mar-20 12:49 PM] brewfasa#4532
- there’s ways
- [08-Mar-20 12:49 PM] brewfasa#4532
- why we skate around trappers will never make sense to me
- [08-Mar-20 12:49 PM] brewfasa#4532
- I think we have enough defensive coubcteplay to cutie
- [08-Mar-20 12:49 PM] brewfasa#4532
- to be manageable
- [08-Mar-20 12:53 PM] LilyAC#7887
- we have counterplay to cutie itself but web makes it too much imo
- [08-Mar-20 01:10 PM] Coconut#8762
- its like how things ran hp ice for gligs
- [08-Mar-20 01:11 PM] brewfasa#4532
- no it’s not
- [08-Mar-20 01:11 PM] brewfasa#4532
- in the slightest lol
- [08-Mar-20 01:12 PM] brewfasa#4532
- ur comparing a stab to an hp
- [08-Mar-20 01:12 PM] Coconut#8762
- okay it's not like that because iron head also hits spritzee
- [08-Mar-20 01:12 PM] Coconut#8762
- but it's not like ferroseed has run that move often
- [08-Mar-20 01:12 PM] Coconut#8762
- in the past X gens
- [08-Mar-20 01:12 PM] brewfasa#4532
- no but doesn’t mean for this meta it’s bad
- [08-Mar-20 01:12 PM] brewfasa#4532
- just because it hasn’t run it
- [08-Mar-20 01:12 PM] LilyAC#7887
- iron head has utility vs vull too, especially with bullet seed
- [08-Mar-20 01:13 PM] BurntZebra#8147
- Iron head basically saw like no usage in Sm though
- [08-Mar-20 01:13 PM] Coconut#8762
- it hits two broken mons instead of one
- [08-Mar-20 01:13 PM] Coconut#8762
- good point
- [08-Mar-20 01:13 PM] BurntZebra#8147
- Which gives an indication of how useful it is outside of dealing with qt
- [08-Mar-20 01:13 PM] BurntZebra#8147
- I ran gyro ball Ferro at some point in Sm
- [08-Mar-20 01:13 PM] brewfasa#4532
- we didn’t have the offensive spritz as much or cutie
- [08-Mar-20 01:13 PM] Coconut#8762
- we still had cm spritz though
- [08-Mar-20 01:13 PM] brewfasa#4532
- that was so rare
- [08-Mar-20 01:13 PM] brewfasa#4532
- u didn’t even bother
- [08-Mar-20 01:13 PM] BurntZebra#8147
- Knock twave bullet seed ferro prob beats spritz regardless
- [08-Mar-20 01:15 PM] BurntZebra#8147
- Pamplona was running charm cutiefly which seems like an ultra matchup fish since it’s probably only for iron head twaveless ferroseed
- [08-Mar-20 01:15 PM] BurntZebra#8147
- Unless you can charm pony
- [08-Mar-20 01:15 PM] Coconut#8762
- speedtie into 2hko anyway?
- [08-Mar-20 01:15 PM] BurntZebra#8147
- Well you’d qd
- [08-Mar-20 01:15 PM] Coconut#8762
- ig if webs are up that's something
- [08-Mar-20 01:15 PM] BurntZebra#8147
- On the swifch to pony
- [08-Mar-20 01:15 PM] Coconut#8762
- right but without looking at a calc I'm sure that still does half
- [08-Mar-20 01:16 PM] Coconut#8762
- -4 probably still breaks a sub
- [08-Mar-20 01:16 PM] BurntZebra#8147
- Yeah idk if it lives -2 flare blitz into a -4
- [08-Mar-20 01:16 PM] BurntZebra#8147
- If it does, maybe it could be worthwhile
- [08-Mar-20 01:16 PM] Coconut#8762
- it seems like a fish but if it works in practice it might be worth it specifically for ponyta
- [08-Mar-20 01:17 PM] jake#8907
- pamplona only builds hyper specific matchup fishes anyway from what i know
- [08-Mar-20 01:17 PM] BurntZebra#8147
- I ran into it on ladder which seems like not the place to matchup fish
- [08-Mar-20 01:18 PM] Coconut#8762
- I wouldn't call them matchup fishes
- [08-Mar-20 01:18 PM] Coconut#8762
- it's more like swiss cheese
- [08-Mar-20 01:18 PM] BurntZebra#8147
- I guess charm would also be good vs munch
- [08-Mar-20 01:18 PM] Coconut#8762
- the team has holes, but it's still cheese
- [08-Mar-20 01:18 PM] BurntZebra#8147
- Although munch has seen no usage in spl since home
- [redacted]
- [08-Mar-20 01:21 PM] brewfasa#4532
- he ran rock wrecker dweb
- [08-Mar-20 01:21 PM] brewfasa#4532
- to apparently lure and ko an oddish
- [08-Mar-20 01:21 PM] brewfasa#4532
- on my shitty balance
- [08-Mar-20 01:21 PM] Coconut#8762
- in gen 8?
- [08-Mar-20 01:22 PM] BurntZebra#8147
- Rock wrecker?
- [08-Mar-20 01:22 PM] BurntZebra#8147
- Is that a move
- [08-Mar-20 01:22 PM] Coconut#8762
- that's so sick
- [08-Mar-20 01:22 PM] brewfasa#4532
- yes lmao
- [08-Mar-20 01:22 PM] brewfasa#4532
- In that set coco
- [08-Mar-20 01:22 PM] BurntZebra#8147
- What does it do
- [08-Mar-20 01:22 PM] Coconut#8762
- yes rock wrecker is a move
- [08-Mar-20 01:22 PM] levi#6206
- I ran iron head in sm
- [08-Mar-20 01:22 PM] Coconut#8762
- rock physical hyper beam
- [08-Mar-20 01:22 PM] levi#6206
- It’s a good move
- [08-Mar-20 01:22 PM] BurntZebra#8147
- Hm interesting
- [08-Mar-20 01:22 PM] brewfasa#4532
- he literally told me it was to lure my oddish idk
- [08-Mar-20 01:22 PM] BurntZebra#8147
- That would have worked vs me
- [08-Mar-20 01:22 PM] levi#6206
- I love running it with twave especially
- [08-Mar-20 01:22 PM] Coconut#8762
- maybe it kills
- [08-Mar-20 01:22 PM] Coconut#8762
- after a knock
- [08-Mar-20 01:22 PM] jake#8907
- LOL
- [08-Mar-20 01:22 PM] brewfasa#4532
- After smash
- [08-Mar-20 01:22 PM] jake#8907
- i also ran rock wrecker dweb
- [08-Mar-20 01:22 PM] jake#8907
- it's abysmal
- [08-Mar-20 01:22 PM] Coconut#8762
- oh so oddish comes in
- [08-Mar-20 01:22 PM] brewfasa#4532
- I was never bribing balance vs pamp tho
- [08-Mar-20 01:22 PM] Coconut#8762
- on a smash
- [08-Mar-20 01:23 PM] brewfasa#4532
- yea
- [08-Mar-20 01:23 PM] Coconut#8762
- and then it's ohko'd
- [08-Mar-20 01:23 PM] Coconut#8762
- by rock wrecker
- [08-Mar-20 01:23 PM] jake#8907
- oddish the dwebble answer
- [08-Mar-20 01:23 PM] Coconut#8762
- and then you take a fucking pummeling
- [08-Mar-20 01:23 PM] Coconut#8762
- by whatever the fuck they have in the back
- [08-Mar-20 01:23 PM] brewfasa#4532
- yea
- [08-Mar-20 01:23 PM] brewfasa#4532
- lmao
- [08-Mar-20 01:23 PM] BurntZebra#8147
- I imagine you could mess up oddish by running sub dwebble
- [08-Mar-20 01:23 PM] Coconut#8762
- honestly not the worst thing in the world
- [08-Mar-20 01:23 PM] BurntZebra#8147
- Although sub sort of makes no sense otherwise
- [08-Mar-20 01:23 PM] Coconut#8762
- yes, you could do that zebra
- [08-Mar-20 01:23 PM] BurntZebra#8147
- On a sturdy mon
- [08-Mar-20 01:24 PM] brewfasa#4532
- nah just thot it was funny
- [08-Mar-20 01:24 PM] jake#8907
- sub smash was a thing tho
- [08-Mar-20 01:24 PM] levi#6206
- Sub is probably the best 4th move
- [08-Mar-20 01:24 PM] jake#8907
- iirc
- [08-Mar-20 01:24 PM] levi#6206
- On ss dweb
- [08-Mar-20 01:24 PM] levi#6206
- No?
- [08-Mar-20 01:24 PM] brewfasa#4532
- yeah
- [08-Mar-20 01:24 PM] brewfasa#4532
- I’d agree
- [08-Mar-20 01:24 PM] brewfasa#4532
- sub is good
- [08-Mar-20 01:24 PM] BurntZebra#8147
- I’d rather have extra coverage
- [08-Mar-20 01:24 PM] jake#8907
- what are your other options even
- [08-Mar-20 01:24 PM] Coconut#8762
- I don't like giving up coverage
- [08-Mar-20 01:24 PM] BurntZebra#8147
- Or counter
- [08-Mar-20 01:24 PM] jake#8907
- x scissor?
- [08-Mar-20 01:24 PM] levi#6206
- Sucker pawn, twaves, popping bj
- [08-Mar-20 01:24 PM] brewfasa#4532
- knock counter
- [08-Mar-20 01:24 PM] jake#8907
- right knock
- [08-Mar-20 01:24 PM] BurntZebra#8147
- Boots dwebble is fun
- [08-Mar-20 01:24 PM] BurntZebra#8147
- The new magic guard abra
- [08-Mar-20 01:24 PM] Coconut#8762
- rock eq knock
- [08-Mar-20 01:24 PM] Coconut#8762
- I'd even run SR
- [08-Mar-20 01:24 PM] jake#8907
- shitty abra
- [08-Mar-20 01:24 PM] Coconut#8762
- if it's not sweeping
- [08-Mar-20 01:25 PM] jake#8907
- spikes maybe preferable
- [08-Mar-20 01:25 PM] levi#6206
- Yea but instead of rkilling every fighter and 17 spe mon
- [08-Mar-20 01:25 PM] jake#8907
- if ur gonna go sr
- [08-Mar-20 01:25 PM] Coconut#8762
- yeah whatever hazard
- [08-Mar-20 01:25 PM] levi#6206
- Actually what does dwebble rkill
- [08-Mar-20 01:25 PM] levi#6206
- Oh vull
- [08-Mar-20 01:25 PM] levi#6206
- That’s 1
- [08-Mar-20 01:25 PM] Coconut#8762
- it can counter stuff
- [08-Mar-20 01:26 PM] levi#6206
- Sure, if your opp forgets it learns the move
- [08-Mar-20 01:26 PM] levi#6206
- I guess the threat is nice
- [08-Mar-20 01:26 PM] Coconut#8762
- ok vull's in on the dwebble pre smash
- [08-Mar-20 01:26 PM] Coconut#8762
- is it optimal to knock
- [08-Mar-20 01:26 PM] levi#6206
- U gotta knock
- [08-Mar-20 01:26 PM] Coconut#8762
- then you lost your vull
- [08-Mar-20 01:26 PM] Coconut#8762
- to counter
- [08-Mar-20 01:26 PM] levi#6206
- Rblast does like 150
- [08-Mar-20 01:26 PM] levi#6206
- Ya but dwebs dead
- [08-Mar-20 01:27 PM] levi#6206
- And unless this was a lead mu it was swapping in
- [08-Mar-20 01:27 PM] levi#6206
- = worth it overall
- [08-Mar-20 01:30 PM] Coconut#8762
- if it's abra dwebble
- [08-Mar-20 01:31 PM] Coconut#8762
- that's a worth it trade
- [08-Mar-20 01:57 PM] Coconut#8762
- PamplonaToday at 1:56 PM
- in the tiering info page it says suspects will only occur every 2 months or so. idk about quickban stuff if they decide to do that instead for cutie
- [08-Mar-20 01:57 PM] Coconut#8762
- why is that even there
- [08-Mar-20 01:57 PM] Coconut#8762
- can we remove that
- [08-Mar-20 01:58 PM] starmaster#8286
- Ya we should
- [08-Mar-20 01:58 PM] BurntZebra#8147
- yeah doesnt make sense since we're pretty fresh into home still
- [08-Mar-20 02:14 PM] levi#6206
- Huh
- [08-Mar-20 02:15 PM] levi#6206
- He misread
- [08-Mar-20 02:15 PM] levi#6206
- It says right under that we can also nom suspects in between if anyone had pressing concerns
- [08-Mar-20 02:16 PM] BurntZebra#8147
- why is the first thing a rule
- [08-Mar-20 02:16 PM] BurntZebra#8147
- i
- [08-Mar-20 02:16 PM] BurntZebra#8147
- if we can just ignore it
- [08-Mar-20 02:16 PM] BurntZebra#8147
- at any time
- [08-Mar-20 02:16 PM] levi#6206
- To make sure discussion exists at all
- [08-Mar-20 02:16 PM] BurntZebra#8147
- i think its important to trim the fat
- [08-Mar-20 02:16 PM] levi#6206
- Which fwiw has been problematic before
- [08-Mar-20 02:16 PM] BurntZebra#8147
- eg remove rules that dont actually get enforced
- [08-Mar-20 02:16 PM] levi#6206
- Getting to the two months and then deciding nothing is suspect worthy is ok
- [08-Mar-20 02:17 PM] levi#6206
- But iirc I was interested in holding a periodic formal vote just to make sure
- [08-Mar-20 02:17 PM] BurntZebra#8147
- i mean yeah like i dont think we would try to suspect something 1 day after something gets banned
- [08-Mar-20 02:17 PM] BurntZebra#8147
- when that other thing getting banned will alter the meta
- [08-Mar-20 02:17 PM] BurntZebra#8147
- a lot
- [08-Mar-20 02:18 PM] levi#6206
- Y
- [09-Mar-20 07:13 PM] LilyAC#7887
- im pro qt ban
- [09-Mar-20 07:16 PM] BurntZebra#8147
- i would agree
- [09-Mar-20 07:17 PM] BurntZebra#8147
- at this point, the only decent counterplay is iron head ferroseed
- [09-Mar-20 07:34 PM] LilyAC#7887
- cuties offensive presence alone would be okay but add web and screens support onto that and its too much
- [09-Mar-20 07:35 PM] LilyAC#7887
- and its so versatile
- [09-Mar-20 07:40 PM] brewfasa#4532
- it has more checks than ferro and idt any one of its sets are rly broken
- [09-Mar-20 07:41 PM] brewfasa#4532
- just because it has a good qd set doesn’t mean coz it can do other things it’s broken
- [09-Mar-20 07:41 PM] brewfasa#4532
- I like the things it brings too, solid scarfer, webs, screens ig
- [09-Mar-20 07:42 PM] LilyAC#7887
- i dont think the focus should be on that roost qd set
- [09-Mar-20 07:43 PM] Coconut#8762
- I think it's qd set is equal to its web set
- [09-Mar-20 07:43 PM] Coconut#8762
- but they need different team compositions around them
- [09-Mar-20 07:44 PM] LilyAC#7887
- its a good set for sure but i wouldnt say its the main factor at all
- [09-Mar-20 07:44 PM] Coconut#8762
- very similarly different sets
- [09-Mar-20 07:44 PM] levi#6206
- i dont think theyre equal at all
- [09-Mar-20 07:44 PM] levi#6206
- i think cutie is 60-70% webs and 10% screens
- [09-Mar-20 07:44 PM] levi#6206
- cutie's brokenness
- [09-Mar-20 07:45 PM] Coconut#8762
- I think the screens alone is like a B set
- [09-Mar-20 07:45 PM] Coconut#8762
- screens and webs is like an A set
- [09-Mar-20 07:45 PM] Coconut#8762
- and Webs + Turn is an S set
- [09-Mar-20 07:45 PM] levi#6206
- screens is only good bc webs exists
- [09-Mar-20 07:45 PM] Coconut#8762
- along with QD being an A+ set
- [09-Mar-20 07:45 PM] levi#6206
- predictable screens are bad unless you can set them in one turn
- [09-Mar-20 07:45 PM] BurntZebra#8147
- in a vacuum, screens seem better than B
- [09-Mar-20 07:46 PM] LilyAC#7887
- "qd" isnt really a set
- [09-Mar-20 07:46 PM] LilyAC#7887
- its just a move, like it can run that as a filler if it wants
- [09-Mar-20 07:46 PM] BurntZebra#8147
- but it also means youre not running any of the other cutiefly sets
- [09-Mar-20 07:46 PM] Coconut#8762
- qd sub roost moonblast is a set
- [09-Mar-20 07:46 PM] LilyAC#7887
- yeah
- [09-Mar-20 07:46 PM] Coconut#8762
- qd sweeper then
- [09-Mar-20 07:46 PM] BurntZebra#8147
- qd feels pretty uncommon as filler
- [09-Mar-20 07:46 PM] levi#6206
- you can run qd web
- [09-Mar-20 07:46 PM] levi#6206
- if you like compression
- [09-Mar-20 07:46 PM] brewfasa#4532
- how is qd not a set
- [09-Mar-20 07:46 PM] LilyAC#7887
- it can run a ton of different combinations of moves
- [09-Mar-20 07:47 PM] brewfasa#4532
- it’s easily the best part abt cutie
- [09-Mar-20 07:47 PM] LilyAC#7887
- like when i say screens i didnt just mean the light clay set
- [09-Mar-20 07:47 PM] BurntZebra#8147
- lily was saying that you can toss qd on a lot of sets
- [09-Mar-20 07:47 PM] BurntZebra#8147
- itd be like yeah moonblast qt is the best set
- [09-Mar-20 07:47 PM] brewfasa#4532
- no ur just tossing webs on qd then
- [09-Mar-20 07:47 PM] BurntZebra#8147
- which do you click first
- [09-Mar-20 07:47 PM] BurntZebra#8147
- webs or qd
- [09-Mar-20 07:47 PM] Coconut#8762
- depends on what's in
- [09-Mar-20 07:47 PM] brewfasa#4532
- if I’m building around webs
- [09-Mar-20 07:47 PM] LilyAC#7887
- when i said qd isnt a set i meant that as in
- [09-Mar-20 07:48 PM] LilyAC#7887
- qd can be ran on several different cutie sets
- [09-Mar-20 07:48 PM] LilyAC#7887
- its not a specific set
- [09-Mar-20 07:48 PM] brewfasa#4532
- it’s whatever cutie set u based the team around ig
- [09-Mar-20 07:48 PM] BurntZebra#8147
- i think webs has better fillers than qd
- [09-Mar-20 07:48 PM] Coconut#8762
- is a special attacker in? probably qd
- [09-Mar-20 07:48 PM] BurntZebra#8147
- anyways
- [09-Mar-20 07:48 PM] Coconut#8762
- agree with zebra
- [09-Mar-20 07:48 PM] BurntZebra#8147
- stun spore
- [09-Mar-20 07:48 PM] BurntZebra#8147
- trick
- [09-Mar-20 07:48 PM] Coconut#8762
- charm
- [09-Mar-20 07:48 PM] BurntZebra#8147
- can give some really good momentum
- [09-Mar-20 07:48 PM] LilyAC#7887
- charm just sounds like a worse reflect for the most part
- [09-Mar-20 07:48 PM] Coconut#8762
- charm allows you to 1v1 ponyta
- [09-Mar-20 07:49 PM] LilyAC#7887
- wtf
- [09-Mar-20 07:49 PM] LilyAC#7887
- no way
- [09-Mar-20 07:49 PM] BurntZebra#8147
- not a webs qt though
- [09-Mar-20 07:49 PM] BurntZebra#8147
- what is webs qt doing to pony
- [09-Mar-20 07:49 PM] Coconut#8762
- you take half
- [09-Mar-20 07:49 PM] levi#6206
- that doesnt sound right
- [09-Mar-20 07:49 PM] levi#6206
- do you mean like
- [09-Mar-20 07:49 PM] levi#6206
- pony switching in
- [09-Mar-20 07:49 PM] Coconut#8762
- from flare blitz
- [09-Mar-20 07:49 PM] levi#6206
- that still doesnt sound right
- [09-Mar-20 07:49 PM] hongli#4483
- i would assume that's what coco meant
- [09-Mar-20 07:49 PM] levi#6206
- do you have to win a tie
- [09-Mar-20 07:49 PM] Coconut#8762
- you need it to either come in
- [09-Mar-20 07:49 PM] hongli#4483
- no you qdon the switch
- [09-Mar-20 07:49 PM] Coconut#8762
- or have webs up
- [09-Mar-20 07:49 PM] hongli#4483
- and charm in the 1v1
- [09-Mar-20 07:49 PM] levi#6206
- oh
- [09-Mar-20 07:49 PM] Coconut#8762
- just be faster than it
- [09-Mar-20 07:50 PM] Coconut#8762
- somehow
- [09-Mar-20 07:50 PM] BurntZebra#8147
- -2 76 Atk Ponyta Flare Blitz vs. 36 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Cutiefly: 12-14 (57.1 - 66.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
- Possible damage amounts: (12, 12, 12, 12, 12, 12, 12, 12, 12, 12, 12, 12, 12, 12, 12, 14)
- [09-Mar-20 07:50 PM] hongli#4483
- but like im p sure
- [09-Mar-20 07:50 PM] BurntZebra#8147
- -4 76 Atk Ponyta Flare Blitz vs. 36 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Cutiefly: 8-12 (38 - 57.1%) -- 0.4% chance to 2HKO
- Possible damage amounts: (8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 12)
- [09-Mar-20 07:50 PM] hongli#4483
- pony is still favored
- [09-Mar-20 07:50 PM] BurntZebra#8147
- you live with 1 hp
- [09-Mar-20 07:50 PM] hongli#4483
- in that situation
- [09-Mar-20 07:50 PM] levi#6206
- so not after rocks
- [09-Mar-20 07:50 PM] Coconut#8762
- not after rocks
- [09-Mar-20 07:50 PM] hongli#4483
- bc rocks and
- [09-Mar-20 07:50 PM] hongli#4483
- you're doing like
- [09-Mar-20 07:50 PM] hongli#4483
- 2hp with moonblast
- [09-Mar-20 07:50 PM] hongli#4483
- to ponyta
- [09-Mar-20 07:50 PM] hongli#4483
- so pony will have a ton of chances to crit
- [09-Mar-20 07:50 PM] hongli#4483
- also you can force roosts more easily
- [09-Mar-20 07:50 PM] hongli#4483
- than qt can force your morning suns
- [09-Mar-20 07:51 PM] BurntZebra#8147
- pony probably has to click morning sun some
- [09-Mar-20 07:51 PM] BurntZebra#8147
- due to recoil
- [09-Mar-20 07:51 PM] hongli#4483
- yea it's not a huge discrepancy i think
- [09-Mar-20 07:51 PM] Coconut#8762
- I'm not saying it's a great option for sure
- [09-Mar-20 07:51 PM] Coconut#8762
- but
- [09-Mar-20 07:51 PM] hongli#4483
- i havent done the math but i think qt would still roost more
- [09-Mar-20 07:51 PM] Coconut#8762
- it's probably fringe viable
- [09-Mar-20 07:51 PM] BurntZebra#8147
- at -6, pony is doing 6 damage
- [09-Mar-20 07:52 PM] BurntZebra#8147
- if we're assuming pony is just gonna crit immediately
- [09-Mar-20 07:52 PM] BurntZebra#8147
- then mareanie should be a solid enough answer to the roost qd set too
- [09-Mar-20 07:52 PM] hongli#4483
- well
- [09-Mar-20 07:52 PM] hongli#4483
- roost qd
- [09-Mar-20 07:52 PM] hongli#4483
- can also run psychic
- [09-Mar-20 07:52 PM] hongli#4483
- a fair amount of the time
- [09-Mar-20 07:53 PM] hongli#4483
- so cutie is immensely favored
- [09-Mar-20 07:53 PM] hongli#4483
- in that situation
- [09-Mar-20 07:54 PM] brewfasa#4532
- gunk shot bop
- [09-Mar-20 08:11 PM] Serene Grace#5243
- charm cutiefly is not viable
- [09-Mar-20 08:11 PM] Serene Grace#5243
- its just crit bait
- [09-Mar-20 08:12 PM] hongli#4483
- well it doesn't seem terrible vs ferro but
- [09-Mar-20 08:12 PM] hongli#4483
- you have to risk them not running t-wave as well
- [09-Mar-20 08:12 PM] hongli#4483
- which is p rare
- [09-Mar-20 08:13 PM] BurntZebra#8147
- yeah i mean if they have iron head ferro, you can just wear it down with moonblast+switching to your own ferro or pony
- [09-Mar-20 08:13 PM] Serene Grace#5243
- i think in a ladder context thats true but nowadays every ferro runs iron head so giga knock iron head rocks
- [09-Mar-20 08:13 PM] BurntZebra#8147
- to get some ability chip
- [09-Mar-20 08:14 PM] Serene Grace#5243
- so twave isnt really common
- [09-Mar-20 08:14 PM] Serene Grace#5243
- ud have to scout for it but
- [09-Mar-20 08:14 PM] Serene Grace#5243
- i think u could bet on it not having twave
- [09-Mar-20 08:14 PM] BurntZebra#8147
- is knock mandatory
- [09-Mar-20 08:14 PM] hongli#4483
- really
- [09-Mar-20 08:14 PM] hongli#4483
- in a lot of my teams
- [09-Mar-20 08:14 PM] hongli#4483
- i just move rocks to someone else
- [09-Mar-20 08:14 PM] hongli#4483
- and run 3 atks ferro + t-wave
- [09-Mar-20 08:14 PM] BurntZebra#8147
- i hate that ferro
- [09-Mar-20 08:14 PM] BurntZebra#8147
- feels so dumb when you have free turns
- [09-Mar-20 08:14 PM] BurntZebra#8147
- and you cant set hazards or anything
- [09-Mar-20 08:15 PM] hongli#4483
- i mean the things that switch in on ferro
- [09-Mar-20 08:15 PM] hongli#4483
- clear hazards away easily anyways
- [09-Mar-20 08:15 PM] hongli#4483
- timburr/vully
- [09-Mar-20 08:15 PM] BurntZebra#8147
- yeah but at least they have to spend a turn doing that
- [09-Mar-20 08:15 PM] BurntZebra#8147
- or you chip timburr/vull enough that they cant come in safely vs ferro
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