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Eng Gosnell: The Trial of America's Biggest Serial Killer (2

Jan 28th, 2019
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  3. Subtitles by explosiveskull
  4.  
  5. 2
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  7. Come on!
  8.  
  9. 3
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  11. Idiots.
  12.  
  13. 4
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  15. And step all through.
  16.  
  17. 5
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  19. There you go.
  20.  
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  22. 00:03:05,058 --> 00:03:05,993
  23. Good catch.
  24.  
  25. 7
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  27. Did you get it?
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  29. 8
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  31. Yeah.
  32.  
  33. 9
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  35. Woody, that's
  36. not the right one!
  37.  
  38. 10
  39. 00:03:22,243 --> 00:03:23,574
  40. Oh, did you mean this one?
  41.  
  42. 11
  43. 00:03:23,576 --> 00:03:24,610
  44. This one?
  45.  
  46. 12
  47. 00:03:24,612 --> 00:03:25,477
  48. Not funny.
  49.  
  50. 13
  51. 00:03:25,479 --> 00:03:26,780
  52. Go put this on, go.
  53.  
  54. 14
  55. 00:03:28,214 --> 00:03:29,750
  56. Stop peeking, Woody!
  57.  
  58. 15
  59. 00:03:37,925 --> 00:03:39,826
  60. Any last piece of advice, Dad?
  61.  
  62. 16
  63. 00:03:40,962 --> 00:03:43,731
  64. The way I see it, you
  65. got a couple choices here.
  66.  
  67. 17
  68. 00:03:51,438 --> 00:03:55,140
  69. Who gives this woman to
  70. be joined in holy matrimony?
  71.  
  72. 18
  73. 00:03:55,142 --> 00:03:56,144
  74. Her mother and I.
  75.  
  76. 19
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  78. You can be seated.
  79.  
  80. 20
  81. 00:04:15,695 --> 00:04:17,696
  82. No, no, I'm good, baby.
  83.  
  84. 21
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  86. No, it's on, yeah.
  87.  
  88. 22
  89. 00:04:19,900 --> 00:04:21,567
  90. Congratulations, Woody.
  91.  
  92. 23
  93. 00:04:21,569 --> 00:04:23,535
  94. Old boy's supposed to pay
  95. me Friday but he jagged me.
  96.  
  97. 24
  98. 00:04:23,537 --> 00:04:25,903
  99. I got the Benjis
  100. now, so it's on.
  101.  
  102. 25
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  104. Hey.
  105.  
  106. 26
  107. 00:04:26,674 --> 00:04:28,307
  108. Good luck, man.
  109.  
  110. 27
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  112. I get paid, I buy from
  113. you, know what I'm saying?
  114.  
  115. 28
  116. 00:04:30,877 --> 00:04:31,643
  117. Right?
  118.  
  119. 29
  120. 00:04:31,645 --> 00:04:32,713
  121. Are we good?
  122.  
  123. 30
  124. 00:04:34,213 --> 00:04:35,547
  125. Yeah.
  126.  
  127. 31
  128. 00:04:36,417 --> 00:04:37,548
  129. Tonight?
  130.  
  131. 32
  132. 00:04:37,550 --> 00:04:40,518
  133. The Thrifty, 27th and 2nd.
  134.  
  135. 33
  136. 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:41,856
  137. I'll be there, baby.
  138.  
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  140. 00:04:43,590 --> 00:04:47,026
  141. Case 714, December
  142. 13th, 6:37 p.m.
  143.  
  144. 35
  145. 00:04:47,028 --> 00:04:50,194
  146. Detective Woods in combo
  147. with suspect Cindy Jones,
  148.  
  149. 36
  150. 00:04:50,196 --> 00:04:51,997
  151. arranging buy meeting.
  152.  
  153. 37
  154. 00:04:53,134 --> 00:04:54,600
  155. Here's Cindy.
  156.  
  157. 38
  158. 00:04:54,602 --> 00:04:56,535
  159. Pretty nice ride
  160. for a girl from the hood.
  161.  
  162. 39
  163. 00:04:56,537 --> 00:04:59,437
  164. Man, I can't believe she fell
  165. for your Jello pudding jive.
  166.  
  167. 40
  168. 00:04:59,439 --> 00:05:00,504
  169. I learned
  170. it all from you.
  171.  
  172. 41
  173. 00:05:00,506 --> 00:05:01,305
  174. That's what I do.
  175.  
  176. 42
  177. 00:05:01,307 --> 00:05:02,206
  178. I do it all day.
  179.  
  180. 43
  181. 00:05:03,610 --> 00:05:04,543
  182. All right, man, you ready?
  183.  
  184. 44
  185. 00:05:04,545 --> 00:05:05,410
  186. Yeah.
  187.  
  188. 45
  189. 00:05:05,412 --> 00:05:06,411
  190. Testing, testing.
  191.  
  192. 46
  193. 00:05:06,413 --> 00:05:07,780
  194. It's good.
  195.  
  196. 47
  197. 00:05:07,782 --> 00:05:09,014
  198. So remember, you're
  199. gonna keep her in view
  200.  
  201. 48
  202. 00:05:09,016 --> 00:05:10,749
  203. the whole time,
  204. make sure you stay...
  205.  
  206. 49
  207. 00:05:10,751 --> 00:05:12,850
  208. Hey, it's not my
  209. first rodeo, Sherlock.
  210.  
  211. 50
  212. 00:05:12,852 --> 00:05:14,418
  213. Check you out, mixed metaphor.
  214.  
  215. 51
  216. 00:05:14,420 --> 00:05:15,887
  217. - Here we go.
  218. - Go.
  219.  
  220. 52
  221. 00:05:29,869 --> 00:05:31,706
  222. All right, man, there's Cindy.
  223.  
  224. 53
  225. 00:05:33,439 --> 00:05:34,274
  226. Got her.
  227.  
  228. 54
  229. 00:05:37,076 --> 00:05:38,742
  230. Looks like she can
  231. stick that whole pharmacy
  232.  
  233. 55
  234. 00:05:38,744 --> 00:05:39,980
  235. in that big old coat.
  236.  
  237. 56
  238. 00:05:43,083 --> 00:05:45,016
  239. It looks like she's
  240. packing up, buddy.
  241.  
  242. 57
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  244. All right, man, here
  245. we go, here we go.
  246.  
  247. 58
  248. 00:05:53,860 --> 00:05:55,759
  249. Cindy Jones, Philadelphia PD.
  250.  
  251. 59
  252. 00:05:55,761 --> 00:05:57,362
  253. Oh shit, you
  254. gotta be kidding me!
  255.  
  256. 60
  257. 00:05:57,364 --> 00:05:58,329
  258. Now, now, kitty, be nice.
  259.  
  260. 61
  261. 00:05:58,331 --> 00:05:59,663
  262. How you doing, Cindy?
  263.  
  264. 62
  265. 00:05:59,665 --> 00:06:01,033
  266. Baby?
  267.  
  268. 63
  269. 00:06:01,035 --> 00:06:02,533
  270. It's nice to finally
  271. meet you face to face.
  272.  
  273. 64
  274. 00:06:02,535 --> 00:06:04,168
  275. That was you?
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  279. Yeah.
  280.  
  281. 66
  282. 00:06:05,706 --> 00:06:07,538
  283. Okay, so the way I see it,
  284. you got a couple choices here.
  285.  
  286. 67
  287. 00:06:07,540 --> 00:06:09,141
  288. All right, you can give
  289. us the name of the doctor
  290.  
  291. 68
  292. 00:06:09,143 --> 00:06:10,408
  293. who wrote the scripts
  294.  
  295. 69
  296. 00:06:10,410 --> 00:06:12,543
  297. or we can ruin your night.
  298.  
  299. 70
  300. 00:06:16,984 --> 00:06:17,983
  301. Hey!
  302.  
  303. 71
  304. 00:06:17,985 --> 00:06:18,649
  305. FBI!
  306.  
  307. 72
  308. 00:06:18,651 --> 00:06:19,584
  309. DEA.
  310.  
  311. 73
  312. 00:06:19,586 --> 00:06:20,952
  313. Philadelphia PD.
  314.  
  315. 74
  316. 00:06:20,954 --> 00:06:22,553
  317. This is a local bust.
  318.  
  319. 75
  320. 00:06:22,555 --> 00:06:24,256
  321. Don't worry your pretty
  322. little head about it.
  323.  
  324. 76
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  326. No, no, no, no.
  327.  
  328. 77
  329. 00:06:25,025 --> 00:06:26,458
  330. We built this collar.
  331.  
  332. 78
  333. 00:06:26,460 --> 00:06:27,959
  334. Ooh, looks like a
  335. formal investigation.
  336.  
  337. 79
  338. 00:06:27,961 --> 00:06:29,326
  339. You going to the prom?
  340.  
  341. 80
  342. 00:06:30,965 --> 00:06:33,298
  343. This is an interstate
  344. drug situation, my friend.
  345.  
  346. 81
  347. 00:06:33,300 --> 00:06:34,966
  348. You are in second place.
  349.  
  350. 82
  351. 00:06:34,968 --> 00:06:36,468
  352. No, no, if she
  353. doesn't give us what we need,
  354.  
  355. 83
  356. 00:06:36,470 --> 00:06:37,735
  357. she's going to city jail.
  358.  
  359. 84
  360. 00:06:37,737 --> 00:06:38,535
  361. She's a federal suspect!
  362.  
  363. 85
  364. 00:06:38,537 --> 00:06:39,704
  365. Dr. Gosnell!
  366.  
  367. 86
  368. 00:06:42,542 --> 00:06:46,646
  369. The woman I get the scripts
  370. from works for Dr. Gosnell.
  371.  
  372. 87
  373. 00:06:51,319 --> 00:06:54,685
  374. I promise I'm only doing
  375. drugs a few more months.
  376.  
  377. 88
  378. 00:06:54,687 --> 00:06:56,788
  379. Oh, I've heard that before.
  380.  
  381. 89
  382. 00:06:56,790 --> 00:06:58,156
  383. You'll start with the drugs
  384.  
  385. 90
  386. 00:06:58,158 --> 00:07:00,024
  387. and then you'll
  388. go back to murder.
  389.  
  390. 91
  391. 00:07:00,026 --> 00:07:01,959
  392. I'm sick of looking at
  393. autopsies and murder weapons.
  394.  
  395. 92
  396. 00:07:01,961 --> 00:07:03,495
  397. I just want a normal life.
  398.  
  399. 93
  400. 00:07:03,497 --> 00:07:04,963
  401. Take the job at the
  402. governor's office.
  403.  
  404. 94
  405. 00:07:04,965 --> 00:07:06,430
  406. We'll move to Harrisburg.
  407.  
  408. 95
  409. 00:07:06,432 --> 00:07:08,632
  410. If we move, can we get a dog?
  411.  
  412. 96
  413. 00:07:08,634 --> 00:07:09,901
  414. If we have a bigger yard
  415.  
  416. 97
  417. 00:07:09,903 --> 00:07:11,002
  418. and someone does the
  419. dishes, we might.
  420.  
  421. 98
  422. 00:07:11,004 --> 00:07:12,737
  423. It's not my turn, it's his.
  424.  
  425. 99
  426. 00:07:12,739 --> 00:07:13,738
  427. And a hot tub.
  428.  
  429. 100
  430. 00:07:13,740 --> 00:07:14,572
  431. Mmm.
  432.  
  433. 101
  434. 00:07:15,441 --> 00:07:16,507
  435. - Ew!
  436. - Mom!
  437.  
  438. 102
  439. 00:07:16,509 --> 00:07:17,809
  440. Oh, I gotta take this.
  441.  
  442. 103
  443. 00:07:17,811 --> 00:07:18,877
  444. I gotta go.
  445.  
  446. 104
  447. 00:07:18,879 --> 00:07:20,213
  448. Just take him for one second.
  449.  
  450. 105
  451. 00:07:20,913 --> 00:07:22,115
  452. You're not done yet.
  453.  
  454. 106
  455. 00:07:23,216 --> 00:07:25,249
  456. Woody, I'm not
  457. back 'til tomorrow.
  458.  
  459. 107
  460. 00:07:25,251 --> 00:07:27,685
  461. There's that
  462. voice I long to hear!
  463.  
  464. 108
  465. 00:07:27,687 --> 00:07:28,586
  466. Thought you were back today.
  467.  
  468. 109
  469. 00:07:28,588 --> 00:07:29,788
  470. I'll call Dan.
  471.  
  472. 110
  473. 00:07:29,790 --> 00:07:31,456
  474. Well, now I'm
  475. curious, what's up?
  476.  
  477. 111
  478. 00:07:31,458 --> 00:07:32,689
  479. Well, we found our Oxy source.
  480.  
  481. 112
  482. 00:07:32,691 --> 00:07:35,259
  483. It's a Dr. Kermit Gosnell.
  484.  
  485. 113
  486. 00:07:35,261 --> 00:07:39,264
  487. He runs a clinic at
  488. 3801 Lancaster Avenue.
  489.  
  490. 114
  491. 00:07:39,266 --> 00:07:40,598
  492. Wanted to get a
  493. warrant so we can take
  494.  
  495. 115
  496. 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:41,966
  497. a hidden camera in there.
  498.  
  499. 116
  500. 00:07:41,968 --> 00:07:43,735
  501. I'll follow up
  502. with Dan tomorrow.
  503.  
  504. 117
  505. 00:07:43,737 --> 00:07:47,074
  506. I'm always happy to help you
  507. with these drug cases, Woody.
  508.  
  509. 118
  510. 00:07:48,609 --> 00:07:49,708
  511. Bye, kids!
  512.  
  513. 119
  514. 00:07:49,710 --> 00:07:51,108
  515. - Bye, Daddy.
  516. - Bye.
  517.  
  518. 120
  519. 00:07:51,110 --> 00:07:52,712
  520. Okay, go
  521. get your backpack.
  522.  
  523. 121
  524. 00:07:54,913 --> 00:07:56,113
  525. Is Mom the police?
  526.  
  527. 122
  528. 00:07:56,115 --> 00:07:59,117
  529. No, Mom's the
  530. boss of the police.
  531.  
  532. 123
  533. 00:07:59,119 --> 00:08:00,584
  534. And don't you forget it.
  535.  
  536. 124
  537. 00:08:21,275 --> 00:08:22,406
  538. Now, don't
  539. you speak all that
  540.  
  541. 125
  542. 00:08:22,408 --> 00:08:23,608
  543. in one place either.
  544.  
  545. 126
  546. 00:08:23,610 --> 00:08:25,276
  547. What have we got?
  548.  
  549. 127
  550. 00:08:25,278 --> 00:08:26,610
  551. We have surveillance
  552. footage from Gosnell's clinic.
  553.  
  554. 128
  555. 00:08:26,612 --> 00:08:28,747
  556. All in one place, do you?
  557.  
  558. 129
  559. 00:08:28,749 --> 00:08:31,986
  560. This
  561. ain't my rookie season, okay?
  562.  
  563. 130
  564. 00:08:33,020 --> 00:08:33,951
  565. I hear ya.
  566.  
  567. 131
  568. 00:08:33,953 --> 00:08:35,155
  569. Money changing hands.
  570.  
  571. 132
  572. 00:08:37,723 --> 00:08:38,823
  573. You got jokes.
  574.  
  575. 133
  576. 00:08:38,825 --> 00:08:39,890
  577. I'll try to make...
  578.  
  579. 134
  580. 00:08:39,892 --> 00:08:41,225
  581. Okay, let's pick her up.
  582.  
  583. 135
  584. 00:08:42,795 --> 00:08:45,629
  585. That never
  586. went so fast in my life.
  587.  
  588. 136
  589. 00:08:45,631 --> 00:08:48,966
  590. I got there at quarter to,
  591. that's before my.
  592.  
  593. 137
  594. 00:08:48,968 --> 00:08:50,768
  595. Hey, hey, beautiful.
  596.  
  597. 138
  598. 00:08:50,770 --> 00:08:51,668
  599. You going for a ride today.
  600.  
  601. 139
  602. 00:08:51,670 --> 00:08:52,870
  603. Hold up!
  604.  
  605. 140
  606. 00:08:52,872 --> 00:08:54,272
  607. You a cop?
  608.  
  609. 141
  610. 00:08:54,274 --> 00:08:56,140
  611. Yes, ma'am, I am
  612. a police officer.
  613.  
  614. 142
  615. 00:08:56,142 --> 00:08:57,808
  616. Man, this is
  617. some entrapment bullshit.
  618.  
  619. 143
  620. 00:08:57,810 --> 00:08:59,076
  621. You poor thing, I
  622. feel so sorry for you.
  623.  
  624. 144
  625. 00:08:59,078 --> 00:09:00,845
  626. Please watch your head.
  627.  
  628. 145
  629. 00:09:00,847 --> 00:09:03,315
  630. Keshawna, the way I see it,
  631. you got a couple choices here.
  632.  
  633. 146
  634. 00:09:03,317 --> 00:09:07,951
  635. Look, most of the pharmacists,
  636. you know, they legit.
  637.  
  638. 147
  639. 00:09:07,953 --> 00:09:09,120
  640. You can't be going in
  641. with the same names
  642.  
  643. 148
  644. 00:09:09,122 --> 00:09:10,790
  645. on the script all the time.
  646.  
  647. 149
  648. 00:09:11,726 --> 00:09:13,725
  649. So, Doc Gosnell, he
  650. has us pay junkies
  651.  
  652. 150
  653. 00:09:13,727 --> 00:09:16,861
  654. 50 bucks for their IDs and
  655. writes the scripts for 'em.
  656.  
  657. 151
  658. 00:09:16,863 --> 00:09:18,764
  659. Is he the only
  660. one writing scripts?
  661.  
  662. 152
  663. 00:09:18,766 --> 00:09:20,499
  664. He the
  665. only doctor there.
  666.  
  667. 153
  668. 00:09:20,501 --> 00:09:21,932
  669. They got girls that
  670. been to high school
  671.  
  672. 154
  673. 00:09:21,934 --> 00:09:23,033
  674. doing the procedures.
  675.  
  676. 155
  677. 00:09:23,035 --> 00:09:24,602
  678. Procedures?
  679.  
  680. 156
  681. 00:09:24,604 --> 00:09:25,971
  682. Yeah, the abortions.
  683.  
  684. 157
  685. 00:09:25,973 --> 00:09:27,572
  686. So you
  687. send in the Smurfs.
  688.  
  689. 158
  690. 00:09:27,574 --> 00:09:28,740
  691. That's right.
  692.  
  693. 159
  694. 00:09:28,742 --> 00:09:30,708
  695. Seekers pay 84 and 80.
  696.  
  697. 160
  698. 00:09:30,710 --> 00:09:33,610
  699. That mean $3200 for a script.
  700.  
  701. 161
  702. 00:09:33,612 --> 00:09:34,712
  703. Seekers?
  704.  
  705. 162
  706. 00:09:34,714 --> 00:09:36,750
  707. Yeah, see, we got three...
  708.  
  709. 163
  710. 00:09:39,819 --> 00:09:41,820
  711. He got three kind of
  712. customers at the clinic.
  713.  
  714. 164
  715. 00:09:41,822 --> 00:09:45,789
  716. The seekers, they the ones
  717. come in for the drugs.
  718.  
  719. 165
  720. 00:09:45,791 --> 00:09:48,625
  721. Oxy, sometimes Xanax, Percocet.
  722.  
  723. 166
  724. 00:09:48,627 --> 00:09:50,995
  725. And you got the procedures,
  726.  
  727. 167
  728. 00:09:50,997 --> 00:09:52,697
  729. and they gotta
  730. get they pain meds
  731.  
  732. 168
  733. 00:09:52,699 --> 00:09:55,133
  734. to get ready for the abortions
  735. when the doctor comes in.
  736.  
  737. 169
  738. 00:09:55,135 --> 00:09:56,634
  739. 'Cause see, he don't
  740. even get there most days
  741.  
  742. 170
  743. 00:09:56,636 --> 00:09:58,669
  744. 'til like 7:00 at night or so.
  745.  
  746. 171
  747. 00:09:58,671 --> 00:10:01,807
  748. So you use the
  749. Smurfs to get the IDs
  750.  
  751. 172
  752. 00:10:01,809 --> 00:10:02,974
  753. for the scripts, right?
  754.  
  755. 173
  756. 00:10:02,976 --> 00:10:04,643
  757. And then the seekers...
  758.  
  759. 174
  760. 00:10:04,645 --> 00:10:06,845
  761. Wait, who's giving the
  762. abortion patients their meds?
  763.  
  764. 175
  765. 00:10:06,847 --> 00:10:08,212
  766. What's that got
  767. to do with anything?
  768.  
  769. 176
  770. 00:10:08,214 --> 00:10:09,279
  771. Well, if there's
  772. no doctor there,
  773.  
  774. 177
  775. 00:10:09,281 --> 00:10:10,514
  776. who's doling out the pain meds?
  777.  
  778. 178
  779. 00:10:10,516 --> 00:10:11,615
  780. Any of us.
  781.  
  782. 179
  783. 00:10:11,617 --> 00:10:15,419
  784. Alison, Lydia, Betty, sometimes.
  785.  
  786. 180
  787. 00:10:15,421 --> 00:10:16,354
  788. Excuse me.
  789.  
  790. 181
  791. 00:10:16,356 --> 00:10:17,688
  792. Can we finish the conversation
  793.  
  794. 182
  795. 00:10:17,690 --> 00:10:19,289
  796. about the narcotics operation?
  797.  
  798. 183
  799. 00:10:19,291 --> 00:10:20,792
  800. And Lydia was there
  801. when that one woman died.
  802.  
  803. 184
  804. 00:10:20,794 --> 00:10:22,163
  805. Wait, a woman died?
  806.  
  807. 185
  808. 00:10:28,702 --> 00:10:30,235
  809. This doesn't make
  810. sense to me here.
  811.  
  812. 186
  813. 00:10:30,237 --> 00:10:31,769
  814. Healthy woman goes
  815. into a clinic,
  816.  
  817. 187
  818. 00:10:31,771 --> 00:10:33,770
  819. comes out dead and
  820. there's no police report?
  821.  
  822. 188
  823. 00:10:33,772 --> 00:10:35,139
  824. How does that that happen?
  825.  
  826. 189
  827. 00:10:35,141 --> 00:10:36,674
  828. I thought you were
  829. working narcotics.
  830.  
  831. 190
  832. 00:10:36,676 --> 00:10:38,176
  833. Woody, you back at homicide?
  834.  
  835. 191
  836. 00:10:38,178 --> 00:10:40,010
  837. Can't a
  838. guy have hobbies.
  839.  
  840. 192
  841. 00:10:40,012 --> 00:10:42,447
  842. The death certificate
  843. said accidental death.
  844.  
  845. 193
  846. 00:10:42,449 --> 00:10:44,048
  847. Fentanyl and
  848. Demerol don't sound
  849.  
  850. 194
  851. 00:10:44,050 --> 00:10:45,149
  852. like accidental drugs to me.
  853.  
  854. 195
  855. 00:10:45,151 --> 00:10:46,918
  856. They sound like doctor drugs.
  857.  
  858. 196
  859. 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:48,519
  860. Yeah, fine, but if a
  861. doctor administered 'em,
  862.  
  863. 197
  864. 00:10:48,521 --> 00:10:50,754
  865. it's not a crime,
  866. it's an accident.
  867.  
  868. 198
  869. 00:10:50,756 --> 00:10:52,322
  870. Malpractice, maybe.
  871.  
  872. 199
  873. 00:10:52,324 --> 00:10:55,228
  874. What if the doctor
  875. didn't administer those?
  876.  
  877. 200
  878. 00:10:58,665 --> 00:11:00,032
  879. What do the Feds say?
  880.  
  881. 201
  882. 00:11:00,034 --> 00:11:00,965
  883. They're saying
  884. it's a drug case.
  885.  
  886. 202
  887. 00:11:00,967 --> 00:11:02,533
  888. It is a drug case.
  889.  
  890. 203
  891. 00:11:02,535 --> 00:11:04,369
  892. Woman goes into a clinic,
  893. gets drugged to death
  894.  
  895. 204
  896. 00:11:04,371 --> 00:11:06,471
  897. by some untrained teen and
  898. that's just a drug case?
  899.  
  900. 205
  901. 00:11:06,473 --> 00:11:08,005
  902. That's a lot of
  903. assumptions, Woody.
  904.  
  905. 206
  906. 00:11:08,007 --> 00:11:09,474
  907. We don't know that
  908. any of that's true.
  909.  
  910. 207
  911. 00:11:09,476 --> 00:11:10,942
  912. Karnamaya Mongar, okay.
  913.  
  914. 208
  915. 00:11:10,944 --> 00:11:12,644
  916. 41 years old.
  917.  
  918. 209
  919. 00:11:12,646 --> 00:11:14,745
  920. Her husband and her and her
  921. kid get chased out of Bhutan
  922.  
  923. 210
  924. 00:11:14,747 --> 00:11:17,249
  925. for some ethnic cleansing
  926. bullshit, I don't know what it is.
  927.  
  928. 211
  929. 00:11:17,251 --> 00:11:20,217
  930. They spend 20 years in a
  931. straw hut in a refugee camp
  932.  
  933. 212
  934. 00:11:20,219 --> 00:11:22,620
  935. in Nepal, only to
  936. finally, finally make it
  937.  
  938. 213
  939. 00:11:22,622 --> 00:11:24,589
  940. to the good ol' USA.
  941.  
  942. 214
  943. 00:11:24,591 --> 00:11:27,759
  944. Four months later, she goes in
  945. for a procedure with Dr. Oxy.
  946.  
  947. 215
  948. 00:11:27,761 --> 00:11:30,827
  949. Now she's dead and no
  950. one seems to give a damn?
  951.  
  952. 216
  953. 00:11:30,829 --> 00:11:31,796
  954. You seem to give a damn.
  955.  
  956. 217
  957. 00:11:31,798 --> 00:11:33,432
  958. I do.
  959.  
  960. 218
  961. 00:11:33,434 --> 00:11:34,966
  962. Okay, all right, what
  963. kind of procedure was it?
  964.  
  965. 219
  966. 00:11:34,968 --> 00:11:36,035
  967. Abortion.
  968.  
  969. 220
  970. 00:11:39,405 --> 00:11:40,274
  971. What?
  972.  
  973. 221
  974. 00:11:41,974 --> 00:11:43,808
  975. I thought you were pro-choice.
  976.  
  977. 222
  978. 00:11:43,810 --> 00:11:45,442
  979. What does that have
  980. to do with anything?
  981.  
  982. 223
  983. 00:11:45,444 --> 00:11:46,711
  984. I don't know, what
  985. does that have to do
  986.  
  987. 224
  988. 00:11:46,713 --> 00:11:47,846
  989. with anything, Dan?
  990.  
  991. 225
  992. 00:11:47,848 --> 00:11:49,349
  993. It complicates things.
  994.  
  995. 226
  996. 00:11:51,718 --> 00:11:52,650
  997. Am I in the right place here?
  998.  
  999. 227
  1000. 00:11:52,652 --> 00:11:53,850
  1001. This is homicide, right?
  1002.  
  1003. 228
  1004. 00:11:53,852 --> 00:11:54,985
  1005. Homicide?
  1006.  
  1007. 229
  1008. 00:11:54,987 --> 00:11:58,092
  1009. Because this is homicide, Dan.
  1010.  
  1011. 230
  1012. 00:11:59,692 --> 00:12:00,628
  1013. It's homicide.
  1014.  
  1015. 231
  1016. 00:12:04,164 --> 00:12:05,429
  1017. Is she your girlfriend?
  1018.  
  1019. 232
  1020. 00:12:05,431 --> 00:12:07,265
  1021. - Exactly.
  1022. - Thank you, Dad.
  1023.  
  1024. 233
  1025. 00:12:07,267 --> 00:12:08,231
  1026. Thank, Buddy, thank
  1027. you for being an adult.
  1028.  
  1029. 234
  1030. 00:12:08,233 --> 00:12:09,033
  1031. Cannot deny.
  1032.  
  1033. 235
  1034. 00:12:10,971 --> 00:12:12,703
  1035. Is that the police?
  1036.  
  1037. 236
  1038. 00:12:12,705 --> 00:12:14,038
  1039. I'll just be a minute.
  1040.  
  1041. 237
  1042. 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:14,972
  1043. They're
  1044. coming to get you.
  1045.  
  1046. 238
  1047. 00:12:14,974 --> 00:12:16,039
  1048. Let's hope so.
  1049.  
  1050. 239
  1051. 00:12:16,041 --> 00:12:17,374
  1052. Woody, it's dinner time.
  1053.  
  1054. 240
  1055. 00:12:17,376 --> 00:12:18,576
  1056. Why didn't
  1057. you back me up in there?
  1058.  
  1059. 241
  1060. 00:12:18,578 --> 00:12:20,012
  1061. Woody.
  1062.  
  1063. 242
  1064. 00:12:20,014 --> 00:12:21,947
  1065. That poor woman lost her
  1066. life because some moron
  1067.  
  1068. 243
  1069. 00:12:21,949 --> 00:12:23,480
  1070. pumped her full of drugs and
  1071. you're just gonna ignore it?
  1072.  
  1073. 244
  1074. 00:12:24,516 --> 00:12:25,749
  1075. Woody, you
  1076. got your warrant.
  1077.  
  1078. 245
  1079. 00:12:25,751 --> 00:12:26,684
  1080. What?
  1081.  
  1082. 246
  1083. 00:12:26,686 --> 00:12:28,286
  1084. You got your warrant.
  1085.  
  1086. 247
  1087. 00:12:28,288 --> 00:12:31,755
  1088. You're going with the FBI, stay
  1089. out of their way, all right?
  1090.  
  1091. 248
  1092. 00:12:31,757 --> 00:12:32,758
  1093. Okay, yeah.
  1094.  
  1095. 249
  1096. 00:12:33,859 --> 00:12:36,228
  1097. Now, is there anything
  1098. else you'd like to say to me?
  1099.  
  1100. 250
  1101. 00:12:37,296 --> 00:12:40,264
  1102. You like the Eagles or
  1103. the Giants with spread?
  1104.  
  1105. 251
  1106. 00:12:47,973 --> 00:12:50,009
  1107. Okay, guys, we're set.
  1108.  
  1109. 252
  1110. 00:12:52,011 --> 00:12:53,879
  1111. Yo, who's Nurse
  1112. Ratchet over there?
  1113.  
  1114. 253
  1115. 00:12:53,881 --> 00:12:55,312
  1116. Mmm, Department of Health.
  1117.  
  1118. 254
  1119. 00:12:55,314 --> 00:12:56,413
  1120. She's gotta be there
  1121. because the clinic's
  1122.  
  1123. 255
  1124. 00:12:56,415 --> 00:12:58,515
  1125. gonna be open when we go in.
  1126.  
  1127. 256
  1128. 00:12:58,517 --> 00:12:59,386
  1129. Mmm hmm.
  1130.  
  1131. 257
  1132. 00:13:03,055 --> 00:13:04,822
  1133. Good slice?
  1134.  
  1135. 258
  1136. 00:13:04,824 --> 00:13:06,523
  1137. No?
  1138.  
  1139. 259
  1140. 00:13:06,525 --> 00:13:08,493
  1141. You know you guys got this
  1142. warrant in the Mongar case.
  1143.  
  1144. 260
  1145. 00:13:08,495 --> 00:13:10,894
  1146. Look for what you need, don't
  1147. screw up our evidence, got it?
  1148.  
  1149. 261
  1150. 00:13:10,896 --> 00:13:11,732
  1151. Got it.
  1152.  
  1153. 262
  1154. 00:13:12,899 --> 00:13:14,197
  1155. All right, listen up.
  1156.  
  1157. 263
  1158. 00:13:15,769 --> 00:13:17,534
  1159. We move through the
  1160. clinic fast, get everyone
  1161.  
  1162. 264
  1163. 00:13:17,536 --> 00:13:19,604
  1164. in separate rooms so
  1165. they can't compare notes.
  1166.  
  1167. 265
  1168. 00:13:19,606 --> 00:13:21,806
  1169. We're not expecting any
  1170. weapons, but you never know,
  1171.  
  1172. 266
  1173. 00:13:21,808 --> 00:13:23,508
  1174. so be prepared.
  1175.  
  1176. 267
  1177. 00:13:23,510 --> 00:13:26,244
  1178. This is Nurse Sandra Rose,
  1179. Department of Health.
  1180.  
  1181. 268
  1182. 00:13:26,246 --> 00:13:28,145
  1183. She's coming along to
  1184. ensure the well-being
  1185.  
  1186. 269
  1187. 00:13:28,147 --> 00:13:30,216
  1188. of any patients we
  1189. might encounter.
  1190.  
  1191. 270
  1192. 00:13:31,484 --> 00:13:34,418
  1193. We are looking for
  1194. scripts, pills,
  1195.  
  1196. 271
  1197. 00:13:34,420 --> 00:13:37,422
  1198. anything that looks like
  1199. drugs or paraphernalia.
  1200.  
  1201. 272
  1202. 00:13:37,424 --> 00:13:39,756
  1203. Don't touch anything else.
  1204.  
  1205. 273
  1206. 00:13:39,758 --> 00:13:43,062
  1207. They'll have copies of the
  1208. warrant, know why we're here.
  1209.  
  1210. 274
  1211. 00:13:43,729 --> 00:13:44,598
  1212. Let's move.
  1213.  
  1214. 275
  1215. 00:13:53,506 --> 00:13:56,642
  1216. Officer,
  1217. what's going on?
  1218.  
  1219. 276
  1220. 00:14:02,649 --> 00:14:03,780
  1221. Good evening.
  1222.  
  1223. 277
  1224. 00:14:03,782 --> 00:14:06,486
  1225. We have a warrant to
  1226. search the premises.
  1227.  
  1228. 278
  1229. 00:14:09,122 --> 00:14:10,721
  1230. Hey, hey, hey, hey!
  1231.  
  1232. 279
  1233. 00:14:10,723 --> 00:14:12,155
  1234. - We need to talk to you!
  1235. - Lets spread out.
  1236.  
  1237. 280
  1238. 00:14:12,157 --> 00:14:13,924
  1239. - Stop, stop!
  1240. - Got your instructions.
  1241.  
  1242. 281
  1243. 00:14:14,928 --> 00:14:16,360
  1244. Roger that.
  1245.  
  1246. 282
  1247. 00:14:16,362 --> 00:14:17,394
  1248. Gentlemen, do not
  1249. disturb the patients.
  1250.  
  1251. 283
  1252. 00:14:17,396 --> 00:14:18,763
  1253. You take the upstairs.
  1254.  
  1255. 284
  1256. 00:14:18,765 --> 00:14:19,630
  1257. Yes sir.
  1258.  
  1259. 285
  1260. 00:14:19,632 --> 00:14:20,565
  1261. All right, come on.
  1262.  
  1263. 286
  1264. 00:14:41,087 --> 00:14:43,020
  1265. Hey, let's get
  1266. that nurse in here!
  1267.  
  1268. 287
  1269. 00:14:50,463 --> 00:14:51,863
  1270. Who's out there?
  1271.  
  1272. 288
  1273. 00:14:51,865 --> 00:14:53,400
  1274. No, no.
  1275.  
  1276. 289
  1277. 00:14:56,136 --> 00:14:57,804
  1278. What is that smell?
  1279.  
  1280. 290
  1281. 00:15:00,973 --> 00:15:03,809
  1282. Yeah, we're gonna
  1283. need more guys up here.
  1284.  
  1285. 291
  1286. 00:15:04,710 --> 00:15:06,110
  1287. Man, it smells like
  1288. a dead fish up in here.
  1289.  
  1290. 292
  1291. 00:15:06,112 --> 00:15:07,180
  1292. Yeah.
  1293.  
  1294. 293
  1295. 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:09,279
  1296. You write these down.
  1297.  
  1298. 294
  1299. 00:15:12,184 --> 00:15:14,784
  1300. The police, okay,
  1301. just stay where you are.
  1302.  
  1303. 295
  1304. 00:15:14,786 --> 00:15:17,391
  1305. Hey, let's get these
  1306. girls in separate rooms!
  1307.  
  1308. 296
  1309. 00:15:18,324 --> 00:15:19,890
  1310. You two, come with me.
  1311.  
  1312. 297
  1313. 00:15:21,126 --> 00:15:22,192
  1314. You want me
  1315. to hold 'em here?
  1316.  
  1317. 298
  1318. 00:15:22,194 --> 00:15:24,131
  1319. Keep 'em separate, whew.
  1320.  
  1321. 299
  1322. 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:27,664
  1323. Hey, Ken.
  1324.  
  1325. 300
  1326. 00:15:27,666 --> 00:15:31,469
  1327. I got it, I got it.
  1328.  
  1329. 301
  1330. 00:15:31,471 --> 00:15:33,403
  1331. Man, I think I
  1332. stepped in something.
  1333.  
  1334. 302
  1335. 00:15:33,405 --> 00:15:35,139
  1336. It's probably cat shit.
  1337.  
  1338. 303
  1339. 00:15:36,208 --> 00:15:37,310
  1340. Oh man, it is cat shit!
  1341.  
  1342. 304
  1343. 00:15:38,544 --> 00:15:39,847
  1344. That over there.
  1345.  
  1346. 305
  1347. 00:15:42,781 --> 00:15:43,648
  1348. Oh my God.
  1349.  
  1350. 306
  1351. 00:15:43,650 --> 00:15:44,916
  1352. Don't touch that.
  1353.  
  1354. 307
  1355. 00:15:44,918 --> 00:15:45,982
  1356. What is this, the lunch room?
  1357.  
  1358. 308
  1359. 00:15:45,984 --> 00:15:47,217
  1360. Lunch room?
  1361.  
  1362. 309
  1363. 00:15:47,219 --> 00:15:49,822
  1364. No, I'm good, no lunch for me.
  1365.  
  1366. 310
  1367. 00:16:07,406 --> 00:16:08,639
  1368. Keep those
  1369. ladies in the back.
  1370.  
  1371. 311
  1372. 00:16:08,641 --> 00:16:11,477
  1373. We'll interview 'em
  1374. later, all right?
  1375.  
  1376. 312
  1377. 00:16:13,846 --> 00:16:15,379
  1378. I think I
  1379. got some blood spatter
  1380.  
  1381. 313
  1382. 00:16:15,381 --> 00:16:16,413
  1383. over here or something.
  1384.  
  1385. 314
  1386. 00:16:16,415 --> 00:16:17,483
  1387. Hey, uh, Woody.
  1388.  
  1389. 315
  1390. 00:16:18,418 --> 00:16:19,920
  1391. Hey man, you gotta see this.
  1392.  
  1393. 316
  1394. 00:16:30,329 --> 00:16:31,995
  1395. Hold it up, little higher.
  1396.  
  1397. 317
  1398. 00:16:46,145 --> 00:16:48,515
  1399. Hey man, is this normal?
  1400.  
  1401. 318
  1402. 00:16:49,415 --> 00:16:50,514
  1403. I don't know, I've never been
  1404.  
  1405. 319
  1406. 00:16:50,516 --> 00:16:51,951
  1407. in an abortion clinic before.
  1408.  
  1409. 320
  1410. 00:16:54,887 --> 00:16:56,019
  1411. You all right?
  1412.  
  1413. 321
  1414. 00:16:56,021 --> 00:16:57,855
  1415. We've
  1416. got eyes on Gosnell.
  1417.  
  1418. 322
  1419. 00:16:57,857 --> 00:16:59,155
  1420. He's coming in the
  1421. north entrance.
  1422.  
  1423. 323
  1424. 00:16:59,157 --> 00:17:00,426
  1425. Roger that.
  1426.  
  1427. 324
  1428. 00:17:02,761 --> 00:17:04,961
  1429. Should
  1430. be there in a minute.
  1431.  
  1432. 325
  1433. 00:17:17,042 --> 00:17:19,109
  1434. Hello, hello!
  1435.  
  1436. 326
  1437. 00:17:19,111 --> 00:17:20,813
  1438. How y'all doing this evening?
  1439.  
  1440. 327
  1441. 00:17:22,948 --> 00:17:23,816
  1442. Dr. Gosnell.
  1443.  
  1444. 328
  1445. 00:17:24,917 --> 00:17:29,386
  1446. We are the DEA, the FBI,
  1447. and the Philadelphia Police.
  1448.  
  1449. 329
  1450. 00:17:29,388 --> 00:17:31,588
  1451. Well, goodness, my goodness.
  1452.  
  1453. 330
  1454. 00:17:31,590 --> 00:17:33,223
  1455. Did we have a break in?
  1456.  
  1457. 331
  1458. 00:17:33,225 --> 00:17:36,795
  1459. No sir, we have a warrant
  1460. to search these premises.
  1461.  
  1462. 332
  1463. 00:17:37,495 --> 00:17:39,196
  1464. Am I under arrest?
  1465.  
  1466. 333
  1467. 00:17:39,198 --> 00:17:40,666
  1468. Not at this juncture.
  1469.  
  1470. 334
  1471. 00:17:42,069 --> 00:17:44,234
  1472. Well, just give me a moment
  1473.  
  1474. 335
  1475. 00:17:44,236 --> 00:17:46,903
  1476. if you would to put these down.
  1477.  
  1478. 336
  1479. 00:17:46,905 --> 00:17:48,308
  1480. Ah, thank you.
  1481.  
  1482. 337
  1483. 00:17:51,844 --> 00:17:55,014
  1484. I have some special patients
  1485. I have to attend to.
  1486.  
  1487. 338
  1488. 00:17:55,915 --> 00:17:57,984
  1489. You gentlemen can come
  1490. watch if you like.
  1491.  
  1492. 339
  1493. 00:18:02,621 --> 00:18:04,824
  1494. Ooh, just a minute, guys.
  1495.  
  1496. 340
  1497. 00:18:09,628 --> 00:18:11,362
  1498. Ah, there you are.
  1499.  
  1500. 341
  1501. 00:18:11,364 --> 00:18:12,699
  1502. Hey, hey, hey!
  1503.  
  1504. 342
  1505. 00:18:13,767 --> 00:18:16,232
  1506. Oh yes, you're
  1507. hungry, aren't you?
  1508.  
  1509. 343
  1510. 00:18:16,234 --> 00:18:17,169
  1511. Here we go.
  1512.  
  1513. 344
  1514. 00:18:18,338 --> 00:18:21,972
  1515. Ah, come get it, come get
  1516. it, come on, come get it.
  1517.  
  1518. 345
  1519. 00:18:21,974 --> 00:18:23,708
  1520. Come, there you come.
  1521.  
  1522. 346
  1523. 00:18:23,710 --> 00:18:24,578
  1524. Oh yeah.
  1525.  
  1526. 347
  1527. 00:18:25,944 --> 00:18:26,812
  1528. Ah, yes.
  1529.  
  1530. 348
  1531. 00:18:27,981 --> 00:18:28,882
  1532. Ah, yes.
  1533.  
  1534. 349
  1535. 00:18:30,916 --> 00:18:35,619
  1536. They bring my patients such
  1537. joy at a very difficult time.
  1538.  
  1539. 350
  1540. 00:18:35,621 --> 00:18:38,321
  1541. Doctor, we have a
  1542. patient in distress.
  1543.  
  1544. 351
  1545. 00:18:38,323 --> 00:18:39,725
  1546. Oh, oh dear!
  1547.  
  1548. 352
  1549. 00:18:40,761 --> 00:18:43,829
  1550. Pardon me, I have to see
  1551. about this right away.
  1552.  
  1553. 353
  1554. 00:19:24,570 --> 00:19:28,839
  1555. I'm hoping
  1556. they arrested somebody.
  1557.  
  1558. 354
  1559. 00:19:28,841 --> 00:19:31,711
  1560. Excuse me, officer, have
  1561. there been any arrests?
  1562.  
  1563. 355
  1564. 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:36,146
  1565. Can you tell me why the police
  1566.  
  1567. 356
  1568. 00:19:36,148 --> 00:19:37,783
  1569. are raiding an abortion clinic?
  1570.  
  1571. 357
  1572. 00:19:40,485 --> 00:19:42,755
  1573. Why are the DEA and
  1574. the FBI involved?
  1575.  
  1576. 358
  1577. 00:19:44,624 --> 00:19:46,723
  1578. What's the matter, you
  1579. don't like tattoos?
  1580.  
  1581. 359
  1582. 00:19:52,933 --> 00:19:55,633
  1583. We're gonna,
  1584. scripts, on the fraud,
  1585.  
  1586. 360
  1587. 00:19:55,635 --> 00:19:57,469
  1588. - on the false IDs.
  1589. - Let's go after the money.
  1590.  
  1591. 361
  1592. 00:19:57,471 --> 00:19:59,068
  1593. You build the money
  1594. on top of my case.
  1595.  
  1596. 362
  1597. 00:19:59,070 --> 00:20:00,671
  1598. Hey, are you just
  1599. gonna let him run around
  1600.  
  1601. 363
  1602. 00:20:00,673 --> 00:20:01,972
  1603. and treat these women?
  1604.  
  1605. 364
  1606. 00:20:01,974 --> 00:20:03,641
  1607. You know how to do it?
  1608.  
  1609. 365
  1610. 00:20:03,643 --> 00:20:05,476
  1611. Well, call in an
  1612. ambulance or something,
  1613.  
  1614. 366
  1615. 00:20:05,478 --> 00:20:06,778
  1616. this place is crazy!
  1617.  
  1618. 367
  1619. 00:20:06,780 --> 00:20:09,681
  1620. Look, that's not
  1621. what we're here for.
  1622.  
  1623. 368
  1624. 00:20:09,683 --> 00:20:12,215
  1625. I'm sorry for
  1626. all the extra mess.
  1627.  
  1628. 369
  1629. 00:20:13,819 --> 00:20:15,655
  1630. You might have noticed, um,
  1631.  
  1632. 370
  1633. 00:20:20,358 --> 00:20:21,726
  1634. we've been having a dispute
  1635.  
  1636. 371
  1637. 00:20:21,728 --> 00:20:26,600
  1638. with our medical
  1639. disposal company.
  1640.  
  1641. 372
  1642. 00:20:34,005 --> 00:20:37,076
  1643. Yeah, you see that
  1644. little rascal over there?
  1645.  
  1646. 373
  1647. 00:20:38,511 --> 00:20:42,148
  1648. He's killed over 100
  1649. mice in this clinic.
  1650.  
  1651. 374
  1652. 00:20:55,126 --> 00:20:56,527
  1653. Woody?
  1654.  
  1655. 375
  1656. 00:20:56,529 --> 00:20:58,131
  1657. You are not gonna believe
  1658. what I saw last night.
  1659.  
  1660. 376
  1661. 00:21:02,335 --> 00:21:04,568
  1662. The stench was unbelievable.
  1663.  
  1664. 377
  1665. 00:21:04,570 --> 00:21:05,702
  1666. Is this the lunch room?
  1667.  
  1668. 378
  1669. 00:21:05,704 --> 00:21:07,938
  1670. He had all these
  1671. bags everywhere.
  1672.  
  1673. 379
  1674. 00:21:07,940 --> 00:21:09,472
  1675. He said they were medical waste.
  1676.  
  1677. 380
  1678. 00:21:09,474 --> 00:21:10,941
  1679. We opened up some of them,
  1680.  
  1681. 381
  1682. 00:21:10,943 --> 00:21:14,211
  1683. there were little bodies inside.
  1684.  
  1685. 382
  1686. 00:21:14,213 --> 00:21:15,278
  1687. Bodies?
  1688.  
  1689. 383
  1690. 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:16,413
  1691. What do you mean, fetuses?
  1692.  
  1693. 384
  1694. 00:21:16,415 --> 00:21:18,952
  1695. They looked like babies to me.
  1696.  
  1697. 385
  1698. 00:21:20,319 --> 00:21:21,685
  1699. How many?
  1700.  
  1701. 386
  1702. 00:21:21,687 --> 00:21:23,354
  1703. So far, we found
  1704. over 30 of them.
  1705.  
  1706. 387
  1707. 00:21:23,356 --> 00:21:26,656
  1708. Stuffed inside jugs, inside
  1709. bags, in the refrigerator,
  1710.  
  1711. 388
  1712. 00:21:26,658 --> 00:21:28,291
  1713. the freezer, everywhere.
  1714.  
  1715. 389
  1716. 00:21:28,293 --> 00:21:30,661
  1717. Oh, oh, the jars.
  1718.  
  1719. 390
  1720. 00:21:30,663 --> 00:21:34,131
  1721. This guy put baby's
  1722. feet in jars.
  1723.  
  1724. 391
  1725. 00:21:35,601 --> 00:21:37,134
  1726. What, what do
  1727. you mean, in jars?
  1728.  
  1729. 392
  1730. 00:21:37,136 --> 00:21:39,503
  1731. No, wait, look,
  1732. right over here.
  1733.  
  1734. 393
  1735. 00:21:39,505 --> 00:21:40,570
  1736. Look at that.
  1737.  
  1738. 394
  1739. 00:21:40,572 --> 00:21:41,941
  1740. I mean, is that normal?
  1741.  
  1742. 395
  1743. 00:21:48,580 --> 00:21:50,183
  1744. He had dozens of 'em.
  1745.  
  1746. 396
  1747. 00:21:51,850 --> 00:21:54,218
  1748. And then they let him
  1749. go work on this woman
  1750.  
  1751. 397
  1752. 00:21:54,220 --> 00:21:55,619
  1753. while we were there.
  1754.  
  1755. 398
  1756. 00:21:55,621 --> 00:21:56,988
  1757. I'm telling you,
  1758. this woman was bigger
  1759.  
  1760. 399
  1761. 00:21:56,990 --> 00:21:58,388
  1762. than Joan was when
  1763. she had Charlie.
  1764.  
  1765. 400
  1766. 00:21:58,390 --> 00:22:00,626
  1767. And, that's got to
  1768. be illegal, right?
  1769.  
  1770. 401
  1771. 00:22:01,726 --> 00:22:02,792
  1772. I don't know.
  1773.  
  1774. 402
  1775. 00:22:02,794 --> 00:22:04,295
  1776. A woman that big?
  1777.  
  1778. 403
  1779. 00:22:04,297 --> 00:22:05,863
  1780. I mean, there has to
  1781. be some kind of a limit
  1782.  
  1783. 404
  1784. 00:22:05,865 --> 00:22:07,131
  1785. on when you can
  1786. have an abortion.
  1787.  
  1788. 405
  1789. 00:22:07,133 --> 00:22:09,666
  1790. Yeah, but I don't
  1791. know what that is.
  1792.  
  1793. 406
  1794. 00:22:09,668 --> 00:22:11,535
  1795. I thought you were a lawyer?
  1796.  
  1797. 407
  1798. 00:22:11,537 --> 00:22:13,069
  1799. Woody, I have five kids.
  1800.  
  1801. 408
  1802. 00:22:13,071 --> 00:22:14,808
  1803. What do I know about abortion?
  1804.  
  1805. 409
  1806. 00:22:17,309 --> 00:22:18,675
  1807. Here.
  1808.  
  1809. 410
  1810. 00:22:18,677 --> 00:22:21,010
  1811. No person shall perform
  1812. or induce an abortion
  1813.  
  1814. 411
  1815. 00:22:21,012 --> 00:22:23,079
  1816. upon another person
  1817. when the gestational age
  1818.  
  1819. 412
  1820. 00:22:23,081 --> 00:22:26,085
  1821. of the unborn child
  1822. is 24 or more weeks.
  1823.  
  1824. 413
  1825. 00:22:26,953 --> 00:22:28,618
  1826. That's six months.
  1827.  
  1828. 414
  1829. 00:22:28,620 --> 00:22:29,487
  1830. Unreal.
  1831.  
  1832. 415
  1833. 00:22:29,489 --> 00:22:30,557
  1834. Six months?
  1835.  
  1836. 416
  1837. 00:22:33,425 --> 00:22:36,626
  1838. How big is a baby at six months?
  1839.  
  1840. 417
  1841. 00:22:36,628 --> 00:22:37,929
  1842. Pretty big.
  1843.  
  1844. 418
  1845. 00:22:37,931 --> 00:22:39,762
  1846. Big enough that the
  1847. fetuses that you saw
  1848.  
  1849. 419
  1850. 00:22:39,764 --> 00:22:41,031
  1851. could have been perfectly legal.
  1852.  
  1853. 420
  1854. 00:22:41,033 --> 00:22:44,067
  1855. There's something
  1856. bad going on there.
  1857.  
  1858. 421
  1859. 00:22:44,069 --> 00:22:44,937
  1860. I know it.
  1861.  
  1862. 422
  1863. 00:22:45,672 --> 00:22:46,770
  1864. You got any witnesses?
  1865.  
  1866. 423
  1867. 00:22:46,772 --> 00:22:48,207
  1868. I got a list of employees.
  1869.  
  1870. 424
  1871. 00:22:49,541 --> 00:22:50,876
  1872. Let's go talk to 'em.
  1873.  
  1874. 425
  1875. 00:22:51,777 --> 00:22:53,144
  1876. I made me a color
  1877. chart to remember
  1878.  
  1879. 426
  1880. 00:22:53,146 --> 00:22:56,446
  1881. the different drugs and
  1882. how much to give them.
  1883.  
  1884. 427
  1885. 00:22:56,448 --> 00:22:58,715
  1886. They would tell me a color
  1887. and I'd know what to do.
  1888.  
  1889. 428
  1890. 00:22:58,717 --> 00:23:01,751
  1891. So, Gosnell trained
  1892. you to give anesthesia?
  1893.  
  1894. 429
  1895. 00:23:01,753 --> 00:23:03,721
  1896. How much training did you get?
  1897.  
  1898. 430
  1899. 00:23:03,723 --> 00:23:04,957
  1900. About 20 minutes.
  1901.  
  1902. 431
  1903. 00:23:07,292 --> 00:23:09,593
  1904. When did you start
  1905. working at the clinic?
  1906.  
  1907. 432
  1908. 00:23:09,595 --> 00:23:10,928
  1909. 'Bout five years ago, I guess.
  1910.  
  1911. 433
  1912. 00:23:10,930 --> 00:23:12,699
  1913. When you were 15.
  1914.  
  1915. 434
  1916. 00:23:13,598 --> 00:23:14,999
  1917. Mama worked there.
  1918.  
  1919. 435
  1920. 00:23:15,001 --> 00:23:17,000
  1921. She'd bring me in after
  1922. school for extra credit
  1923.  
  1924. 436
  1925. 00:23:17,002 --> 00:23:19,436
  1926. and Doc liked me,
  1927. so he hired me.
  1928.  
  1929. 437
  1930. 00:23:19,438 --> 00:23:21,338
  1931. And you would use this
  1932. chart to help you know
  1933.  
  1934. 438
  1935. 00:23:21,340 --> 00:23:24,442
  1936. what drugs to give the women
  1937. who came into the clinic?
  1938.  
  1939. 439
  1940. 00:23:24,444 --> 00:23:25,542
  1941. Yeah.
  1942.  
  1943. 440
  1944. 00:23:25,544 --> 00:23:27,045
  1945. The Demerol and the Cytotec.
  1946.  
  1947. 441
  1948. 00:23:27,946 --> 00:23:30,050
  1949. That's the one that
  1950. makes them precipitate.
  1951.  
  1952. 442
  1953. 00:23:31,451 --> 00:23:33,651
  1954. Precipitate?
  1955.  
  1956. 443
  1957. 00:23:33,653 --> 00:23:36,623
  1958. That's Doc's word for
  1959. when the babies come out.
  1960.  
  1961. 444
  1962. 00:23:38,590 --> 00:23:40,325
  1963. When the babies come out?
  1964.  
  1965. 445
  1966. 00:23:41,461 --> 00:23:44,329
  1967. What would happen then,
  1968. after the babies came out?
  1969.  
  1970. 446
  1971. 00:23:45,098 --> 00:23:46,800
  1972. Doc or somebody'd snip it?
  1973.  
  1974. 447
  1975. 00:23:48,533 --> 00:23:50,268
  1976. Snip it?
  1977.  
  1978. 448
  1979. 00:23:50,270 --> 00:23:53,004
  1980. He would take scissors and
  1981. cut the back of their necks.
  1982.  
  1983. 449
  1984. 00:23:53,739 --> 00:23:55,071
  1985. He taught everybody how to do it
  1986.  
  1987. 450
  1988. 00:23:55,073 --> 00:23:57,407
  1989. so that it could be
  1990. done if he wasn't there.
  1991.  
  1992. 451
  1993. 00:23:57,409 --> 00:24:01,780
  1994. He did it to all of them, even
  1995. the ones that wasn't moving.
  1996.  
  1997. 452
  1998. 00:24:03,147 --> 00:24:05,251
  1999. Some of the
  2000. babies were moving?
  2001.  
  2002. 453
  2003. 00:24:10,021 --> 00:24:12,626
  2004. Betty, how many times
  2005. did you see that happen?
  2006.  
  2007. 454
  2008. 00:24:13,358 --> 00:24:14,226
  2009. Babies moving?
  2010.  
  2011. 455
  2012. 00:24:20,398 --> 00:24:21,800
  2013. I don't know.
  2014.  
  2015. 456
  2016. 00:24:26,271 --> 00:24:28,407
  2017. Got any plans for
  2018. the next few years?
  2019.  
  2020. 457
  2021. 00:24:30,809 --> 00:24:34,178
  2022. Can you just call DA McGuire
  2023. and ask if she'll see me?
  2024.  
  2025. 458
  2026. 00:24:34,180 --> 00:24:35,311
  2027. I mean...
  2028.  
  2029. 459
  2030. 00:24:35,313 --> 00:24:36,846
  2031. I really
  2032. can't, ma'am, I'm sorry.
  2033.  
  2034. 460
  2035. 00:24:36,848 --> 00:24:38,015
  2036. I mean, I know I don't
  2037. have an appointment,
  2038.  
  2039. 461
  2040. 00:24:38,017 --> 00:24:38,882
  2041. but since I'm
  2042. already down here...
  2043.  
  2044. 462
  2045. 00:24:38,884 --> 00:24:40,183
  2046. I know.
  2047.  
  2048. 463
  2049. 00:24:40,185 --> 00:24:41,952
  2050. You really need to
  2051. have an appointment.
  2052.  
  2053. 464
  2054. 00:24:41,954 --> 00:24:43,320
  2055. I even know the extension
  2056. if you can just like
  2057.  
  2058. 465
  2059. 00:24:43,322 --> 00:24:44,954
  2060. like 432, like hello,
  2061. can DA McGuire see me?
  2062.  
  2063. 466
  2064. 00:24:44,956 --> 00:24:46,691
  2065. Hey Woody.
  2066.  
  2067. 467
  2068. 00:24:46,693 --> 00:24:48,592
  2069. Oh, Detective Woods, hi, can
  2070. I talk to you for a second?
  2071.  
  2072. 468
  2073. 00:24:48,594 --> 00:24:49,961
  2074. Do I know you?
  2075.  
  2076. 469
  2077. 00:24:49,963 --> 00:24:51,394
  2078. Mollie Mullaney,
  2079. Mullaney Report.
  2080.  
  2081. 470
  2082. 00:24:51,396 --> 00:24:52,963
  2083. I just had a couple
  2084. questions about the...
  2085.  
  2086. 471
  2087. 00:24:52,965 --> 00:24:54,565
  2088. The press, no,
  2089. I hate the press.
  2090.  
  2091. 472
  2092. 00:24:54,567 --> 00:24:55,833
  2093. It's nothing personal,
  2094. it's just because you guys
  2095.  
  2096. 473
  2097. 00:24:55,835 --> 00:24:56,900
  2098. lie all the time and stuff.
  2099.  
  2100. 474
  2101. 00:24:56,902 --> 00:24:58,001
  2102. I'm not from the press.
  2103.  
  2104. 475
  2105. 00:24:58,003 --> 00:24:59,036
  2106. I'm an investigative blogger.
  2107.  
  2108. 476
  2109. 00:24:59,038 --> 00:24:59,903
  2110. I just want a few...
  2111.  
  2112. 477
  2113. 00:24:59,905 --> 00:25:01,538
  2114. Blogger?
  2115.  
  2116. 478
  2117. 00:25:01,540 --> 00:25:03,507
  2118. Forget it, kid, I don't
  2119. even talk to real reporters.
  2120.  
  2121. 479
  2122. 00:25:03,509 --> 00:25:05,909
  2123. Ah, no bloggers allowed.
  2124.  
  2125. 480
  2126. 00:25:29,734 --> 00:25:31,102
  2127. Yeah.
  2128.  
  2129. 481
  2130. 00:25:31,104 --> 00:25:32,635
  2131. That's jammed up
  2132. pretty good, huh?
  2133.  
  2134. 482
  2135. 00:25:32,637 --> 00:25:34,273
  2136. Let's take the whole unit.
  2137.  
  2138. 483
  2139. 00:25:35,540 --> 00:25:36,907
  2140. Detective Stark?
  2141.  
  2142. 484
  2143. 00:25:36,909 --> 00:25:38,075
  2144. There are a bunch of
  2145. file boxes on the list
  2146.  
  2147. 485
  2148. 00:25:38,077 --> 00:25:39,410
  2149. that seem to have been moved.
  2150.  
  2151. 486
  2152. 00:25:39,412 --> 00:25:40,277
  2153. We can't find 'em.
  2154.  
  2155. 487
  2156. 00:25:40,279 --> 00:25:41,181
  2157. Show me.
  2158.  
  2159. 488
  2160. 00:25:49,355 --> 00:25:50,988
  2161. It was a cat, there
  2162. were cats everywhere
  2163.  
  2164. 489
  2165. 00:25:50,990 --> 00:25:52,623
  2166. in the whole place,
  2167. cat's running around.
  2168.  
  2169. 490
  2170. 00:25:52,625 --> 00:25:53,957
  2171. And we've been clearing
  2172. stuff out of this clinic
  2173.  
  2174. 491
  2175. 00:25:53,959 --> 00:25:55,459
  2176. for almost 24 hours.
  2177.  
  2178. 492
  2179. 00:25:55,461 --> 00:25:57,094
  2180. We found envelopes
  2181. with cash in 'em
  2182.  
  2183. 493
  2184. 00:25:57,096 --> 00:25:59,096
  2185. and one of which was
  2186. labeled with, uh...
  2187.  
  2188. 494
  2189. 00:25:59,098 --> 00:26:00,564
  2190. Karnamaya Mongar.
  2191.  
  2192. 495
  2193. 00:26:00,566 --> 00:26:01,665
  2194. Thank you.
  2195.  
  2196. 496
  2197. 00:26:01,667 --> 00:26:03,267
  2198. She paid for her own death.
  2199.  
  2200. 497
  2201. 00:26:03,269 --> 00:26:05,836
  2202. We also found these
  2203. plastic medical waste bags.
  2204.  
  2205. 498
  2206. 00:26:05,838 --> 00:26:07,471
  2207. Some of them contained fetuses.
  2208.  
  2209. 499
  2210. 00:26:07,473 --> 00:26:09,440
  2211. And then we have these
  2212. files that Gosnell
  2213.  
  2214. 500
  2215. 00:26:09,442 --> 00:26:12,009
  2216. kept on 'em and some of them
  2217. corresponded with the fetuses.
  2218.  
  2219. 501
  2220. 00:26:12,011 --> 00:26:14,144
  2221. How did you match the
  2222. files to the bodies?
  2223.  
  2224. 502
  2225. 00:26:14,146 --> 00:26:15,746
  2226. He labeled them.
  2227.  
  2228. 503
  2229. 00:26:15,748 --> 00:26:17,315
  2230. He wrote names on a little
  2231. piece of masking tape.
  2232.  
  2233. 504
  2234. 00:26:17,317 --> 00:26:19,583
  2235. The guy must not think
  2236. he did anything wrong.
  2237.  
  2238. 505
  2239. 00:26:19,585 --> 00:26:22,786
  2240. But he was moving the files
  2241. and he was moving the bags
  2242.  
  2243. 506
  2244. 00:26:22,788 --> 00:26:23,988
  2245. in the meantime.
  2246.  
  2247. 507
  2248. 00:26:23,990 --> 00:26:25,189
  2249. Well, how could he do that?
  2250.  
  2251. 508
  2252. 00:26:25,191 --> 00:26:26,623
  2253. There were cops
  2254. all over the place.
  2255.  
  2256. 509
  2257. 00:26:26,625 --> 00:26:28,057
  2258. I mean, that's like
  2259. a maze up in there.
  2260.  
  2261. 510
  2262. 00:26:28,059 --> 00:26:29,292
  2263. It's like three houses connected
  2264.  
  2265. 511
  2266. 00:26:29,294 --> 00:26:30,728
  2267. by secret corridors and stuff.
  2268.  
  2269. 512
  2270. 00:26:30,730 --> 00:26:32,496
  2271. I got lost in there
  2272. a couple times.
  2273.  
  2274. 513
  2275. 00:26:32,498 --> 00:26:35,799
  2276. But he's not under arrest, so
  2277. he could have moved that stuff
  2278.  
  2279. 514
  2280. 00:26:35,801 --> 00:26:37,401
  2281. at any time under our noses.
  2282.  
  2283. 515
  2284. 00:26:37,403 --> 00:26:39,803
  2285. I guess he does think
  2286. he's doing something wrong.
  2287.  
  2288. 516
  2289. 00:26:39,805 --> 00:26:43,073
  2290. Yeah, but the question is,
  2291. where's he moving the stuff to?
  2292.  
  2293. 517
  2294. 00:26:48,946 --> 00:26:50,513
  2295. McGuire!
  2296.  
  2297. 518
  2298. 00:26:50,515 --> 00:26:52,017
  2299. Didn't know you were
  2300. gonna party with us today.
  2301.  
  2302. 519
  2303. 00:26:53,219 --> 00:26:56,255
  2304. Well, I can't let
  2305. you boys have all the fun.
  2306.  
  2307. 520
  2308. 00:26:56,989 --> 00:26:58,422
  2309. You look good in Kevlar.
  2310.  
  2311. 521
  2312. 00:26:58,424 --> 00:27:00,093
  2313. You should wear it more often.
  2314.  
  2315. 522
  2316. 00:27:18,578 --> 00:27:19,776
  2317. Dr. Gosnell?
  2318.  
  2319. 523
  2320. 00:27:19,778 --> 00:27:20,876
  2321. Police, open up.
  2322.  
  2323. 524
  2324. 00:27:20,878 --> 00:27:22,415
  2325. We've got a search warrant.
  2326.  
  2327. 525
  2328. 00:27:25,850 --> 00:27:29,254
  2329. Dr. Gosnell, it's the police
  2330. with a search warrant, open up.
  2331.  
  2332. 526
  2333. 00:27:30,655 --> 00:27:31,558
  2334. All right.
  2335.  
  2336. 527
  2337. 00:27:32,892 --> 00:27:33,960
  2338. Wait!
  2339.  
  2340. 528
  2341. 00:27:35,627 --> 00:27:38,596
  2342. Rule number one in
  2343. a door breach, try the handle.
  2344.  
  2345. 529
  2346. 00:27:38,598 --> 00:27:39,598
  2347. Thank you.
  2348.  
  2349. 530
  2350. 00:27:41,232 --> 00:27:44,101
  2351. Dr. Gosnell, Philadelphia
  2352. Police Department.
  2353.  
  2354. 531
  2355. 00:27:44,103 --> 00:27:46,069
  2356. We have a search
  2357. warrant for this house.
  2358.  
  2359. 532
  2360. 00:27:47,906 --> 00:27:48,974
  2361. Dr. Gosnell?
  2362.  
  2363. 533
  2364. 00:27:50,542 --> 00:27:51,444
  2365. Police.
  2366.  
  2367. 534
  2368. 00:28:18,870 --> 00:28:19,938
  2369. Dr. Gosnell?
  2370.  
  2371. 535
  2372. 00:28:21,072 --> 00:28:22,207
  2373. Police Department.
  2374.  
  2375. 536
  2376. 00:28:24,510 --> 00:28:27,180
  2377. I guess their
  2378. cleaning lady took a week off.
  2379.  
  2380. 537
  2381. 00:28:33,018 --> 00:28:33,884
  2382. Sorry to bother you.
  2383.  
  2384. 538
  2385. 00:28:33,886 --> 00:28:35,618
  2386. Police.
  2387.  
  2388. 539
  2389. 00:28:35,620 --> 00:28:36,955
  2390. Is your father at home?
  2391.  
  2392. 540
  2393. 00:29:06,217 --> 00:29:08,417
  2394. Dr. Gosnell, Philadelphia
  2395. Police Department.
  2396.  
  2397. 541
  2398. 00:29:08,419 --> 00:29:10,588
  2399. We have a search warrant
  2400. for your house, sir.
  2401.  
  2402. 542
  2403. 00:29:11,557 --> 00:29:14,226
  2404. Of
  2405. course, of course.
  2406.  
  2407. 543
  2408. 00:29:15,394 --> 00:29:18,263
  2409. Just let me know if there's
  2410. anything I can do to help.
  2411.  
  2412. 544
  2413. 00:29:19,164 --> 00:29:21,631
  2414. I assume you've met my daughter.
  2415.  
  2416. 545
  2417. 00:29:21,633 --> 00:29:22,669
  2418. Is your wife here?
  2419.  
  2420. 546
  2421. 00:29:23,769 --> 00:29:24,867
  2422. No, she's not.
  2423.  
  2424. 547
  2425. 00:29:24,869 --> 00:29:25,804
  2426. She's shopping.
  2427.  
  2428. 548
  2429. 00:29:26,772 --> 00:29:28,440
  2430. Make yourselves at
  2431. home.
  2432.  
  2433. 549
  2434. 00:29:47,059 --> 00:29:49,159
  2435. Deeds to houses.
  2436.  
  2437. 550
  2438. 00:29:49,161 --> 00:29:51,397
  2439. He's got real estate
  2440. all over the place.
  2441.  
  2442. 551
  2443. 00:29:52,431 --> 00:29:54,731
  2444. That's not all he's got.
  2445.  
  2446. 552
  2447. 00:29:54,733 --> 00:29:56,034
  2448. Look at this.
  2449.  
  2450. 553
  2451. 00:30:12,484 --> 00:30:15,719
  2452. May I fix you
  2453. some breakfast, detective?
  2454.  
  2455. 554
  2456. 00:30:15,721 --> 00:30:16,588
  2457. No thank you.
  2458.  
  2459. 555
  2460. 00:30:18,457 --> 00:30:20,223
  2461. Dr. Gosnell, we need
  2462. the keys that you have
  2463.  
  2464. 556
  2465. 00:30:20,225 --> 00:30:21,825
  2466. to a padlocked door
  2467. in the hallway.
  2468.  
  2469. 557
  2470. 00:30:21,827 --> 00:30:24,627
  2471. Do you really need to do that?
  2472.  
  2473. 558
  2474. 00:30:24,629 --> 00:30:26,297
  2475. It's the cellar.
  2476.  
  2477. 559
  2478. 00:30:26,299 --> 00:30:28,768
  2479. I'm almost ashamed to
  2480. let you go down there.
  2481.  
  2482. 560
  2483. 00:30:30,703 --> 00:30:32,736
  2484. It's a bit messy.
  2485.  
  2486. 561
  2487. 00:31:10,309 --> 00:31:12,244
  2488. Files have been
  2489. moved recently.
  2490.  
  2491. 562
  2492. 00:31:14,512 --> 00:31:16,348
  2493. Definitely moving stuff around.
  2494.  
  2495. 563
  2496. 00:31:33,065 --> 00:31:34,133
  2497. Oh.
  2498.  
  2499. 564
  2500. 00:31:45,176 --> 00:31:46,344
  2501. Stark?
  2502.  
  2503. 565
  2504. 00:31:47,346 --> 00:31:48,778
  2505. Yeah?
  2506.  
  2507. 566
  2508. 00:31:48,780 --> 00:31:50,580
  2509. What is this?
  2510.  
  2511. 567
  2512. 00:31:50,582 --> 00:31:51,315
  2513. Oh God!
  2514.  
  2515. 568
  2516. 00:31:51,317 --> 00:31:53,016
  2517. Oh, hell no, come on!
  2518.  
  2519. 569
  2520. 00:31:53,018 --> 00:31:54,217
  2521. Let's go!
  2522.  
  2523. 570
  2524. 00:31:56,821 --> 00:31:57,887
  2525. Open up!
  2526.  
  2527. 571
  2528. 00:31:57,889 --> 00:31:59,155
  2529. - Hey!
  2530. - Open up!
  2531.  
  2532. 572
  2533. 00:31:59,157 --> 00:31:59,823
  2534. Come
  2535. on, help me with it.
  2536.  
  2537. 573
  2538. 00:31:59,825 --> 00:32:00,924
  2539. Open up.
  2540.  
  2541. 574
  2542. 00:32:00,926 --> 00:32:01,858
  2543. We got it, here.
  2544.  
  2545. 575
  2546. 00:32:01,860 --> 00:32:02,925
  2547. Here, gimme your hand.
  2548.  
  2549. 576
  2550. 00:32:02,927 --> 00:32:03,794
  2551. Come on, get 'em out.
  2552.  
  2553. 577
  2554. 00:32:03,796 --> 00:32:04,694
  2555. Get your suits off!
  2556.  
  2557. 578
  2558. 00:32:04,696 --> 00:32:06,331
  2559. Get it off of me.
  2560.  
  2561. 579
  2562. 00:32:07,332 --> 00:32:09,399
  2563. Get 'em
  2564. off, get 'em off!
  2565.  
  2566. 580
  2567. 00:32:09,401 --> 00:32:10,334
  2568. Oh shit.
  2569.  
  2570. 581
  2571. 00:32:10,336 --> 00:32:11,570
  2572. Get this off.
  2573.  
  2574. 582
  2575. 00:32:13,438 --> 00:32:14,639
  2576. It's disgusting!
  2577.  
  2578. 583
  2579. 00:32:18,309 --> 00:32:19,444
  2580. What the...
  2581.  
  2582. 584
  2583. 00:32:20,378 --> 00:32:22,246
  2584. Did someone turn on the radio?
  2585.  
  2586. 585
  2587. 00:32:23,014 --> 00:32:25,283
  2588. Hey, what's going on in here?
  2589.  
  2590. 586
  2591. 00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:30,723
  2592. This is a crime scene, people.
  2593.  
  2594. 587
  2595. 00:32:39,665 --> 00:32:42,135
  2596. I warned you about the mess.
  2597.  
  2598. 588
  2599. 00:33:16,467 --> 00:33:18,470
  2600. Yes, I'm holding
  2601. for Dr. North.
  2602.  
  2603. 589
  2604. 00:33:19,672 --> 00:33:21,070
  2605. Well, do you know
  2606. when she will be in?
  2607.  
  2608. 590
  2609. 00:33:21,072 --> 00:33:23,208
  2610. This is the third
  2611. time I've called.
  2612.  
  2613. 591
  2614. 00:33:25,176 --> 00:33:26,378
  2615. Yes, please.
  2616.  
  2617. 592
  2618. 00:33:27,245 --> 00:33:29,278
  2619. ADA Alexis McGuire.
  2620.  
  2621. 593
  2622. 00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:30,482
  2623. You have my number?
  2624.  
  2625. 594
  2626. 00:33:32,283 --> 00:33:36,655
  2627. Yeah, okay, thank you.
  2628.  
  2629. 595
  2630. 00:33:39,524 --> 00:33:43,058
  2631. Hey, Doctor Ray,
  2632. I got a man down.
  2633.  
  2634. 596
  2635. 00:33:43,060 --> 00:33:44,530
  2636. Do you mind taking a look?
  2637.  
  2638. 597
  2639. 00:33:45,664 --> 00:33:47,263
  2640. It's just a little
  2641. ear infection.
  2642.  
  2643. 598
  2644. 00:33:47,265 --> 00:33:48,498
  2645. I'll call in a prescription
  2646. for you, he'll be fine.
  2647.  
  2648. 599
  2649. 00:33:48,500 --> 00:33:49,365
  2650. Thanks, Doc.
  2651.  
  2652. 600
  2653. 00:33:49,367 --> 00:33:50,435
  2654. You're the best.
  2655.  
  2656. 601
  2657. 00:33:51,870 --> 00:33:54,637
  2658. By the way, have you
  2659. ever heard of a doctor
  2660.  
  2661. 602
  2662. 00:33:54,639 --> 00:33:58,040
  2663. cutting an aborted fetus's
  2664. neck to ensure fetal demise?
  2665.  
  2666. 603
  2667. 00:33:58,042 --> 00:33:59,511
  2668. I've never heard of that.
  2669.  
  2670. 604
  2671. 00:34:00,311 --> 00:34:02,313
  2672. Is this the Gosnell case?
  2673.  
  2674. 605
  2675. 00:34:02,315 --> 00:34:04,248
  2676. Can I put you
  2677. on the witness stand?
  2678.  
  2679. 606
  2680. 00:34:04,250 --> 00:34:05,848
  2681. Wouldn't testify
  2682. in that case about anything.
  2683.  
  2684. 607
  2685. 00:34:05,850 --> 00:34:07,584
  2686. Doubt you'll find
  2687. a doctor who will.
  2688.  
  2689. 608
  2690. 00:34:07,586 --> 00:34:08,984
  2691. Tell me about it.
  2692.  
  2693. 609
  2694. 00:34:08,986 --> 00:34:11,587
  2695. My own obstetrician who
  2696. just delivered this guy
  2697.  
  2698. 610
  2699. 00:34:11,589 --> 00:34:13,022
  2700. told me to pound sand.
  2701.  
  2702. 611
  2703. 00:34:13,024 --> 00:34:14,890
  2704. Well, they all knew
  2705. him as a colleague.
  2706.  
  2707. 612
  2708. 00:34:14,892 --> 00:34:16,191
  2709. Some of them probably even
  2710. referred patients to him.
  2711.  
  2712. 613
  2713. 00:34:16,193 --> 00:34:17,259
  2714. So?
  2715.  
  2716. 614
  2717. 00:34:17,261 --> 00:34:18,861
  2718. That doesn't make them culpable.
  2719.  
  2720. 615
  2721. 00:34:18,863 --> 00:34:20,763
  2722. Lexi, it's abortion,
  2723. nobody wants to touch that.
  2724.  
  2725. 616
  2726. 00:34:20,765 --> 00:34:23,668
  2727. Listen, if he's not better
  2728. in a couple days, holler.
  2729.  
  2730. 617
  2731. 00:34:39,151 --> 00:34:40,216
  2732. Here you go.
  2733.  
  2734. 618
  2735. 00:34:40,218 --> 00:34:41,884
  2736. One medium skinny late.
  2737.  
  2738. 619
  2739. 00:34:41,886 --> 00:34:42,886
  2740. Name's Lexi.
  2741.  
  2742. 620
  2743. 00:34:47,591 --> 00:34:49,325
  2744. Excuse me, Ms. McGuire.
  2745.  
  2746. 621
  2747. 00:34:49,327 --> 00:34:50,993
  2748. Are you gonna be the first
  2749. prosecutor in American history
  2750.  
  2751. 622
  2752. 00:34:50,995 --> 00:34:53,129
  2753. to charge an abortion
  2754. doctor with murder?
  2755.  
  2756. 623
  2757. 00:34:53,131 --> 00:34:54,531
  2758. I'm sorry, who are you?
  2759.  
  2760. 624
  2761. 00:34:54,533 --> 00:34:56,569
  2762. Mollie Mullaney,
  2763. Mullaney Report.
  2764.  
  2765. 625
  2766. 00:34:59,738 --> 00:35:02,772
  2767. Shouldn't you be at home
  2768. in your pajamas or something?
  2769.  
  2770. 626
  2771. 00:35:02,774 --> 00:35:04,975
  2772. It's free Wi-Fi, so it's
  2773. actually reason enough
  2774.  
  2775. 627
  2776. 00:35:04,977 --> 00:35:06,442
  2777. to get out of bed.
  2778.  
  2779. 628
  2780. 00:35:06,444 --> 00:35:08,144
  2781. Now, in the past, you've
  2782. said that you're pro-choice.
  2783.  
  2784. 629
  2785. 00:35:08,146 --> 00:35:09,781
  2786. Why are you pursuing this case?
  2787.  
  2788. 630
  2789. 00:35:11,015 --> 00:35:13,750
  2790. Young lady, I appreciate
  2791. your enthusiasm,
  2792.  
  2793. 631
  2794. 00:35:13,752 --> 00:35:16,086
  2795. but I don't speak about
  2796. ongoing investigations.
  2797.  
  2798. 632
  2799. 00:35:16,088 --> 00:35:19,122
  2800. Hmm, have you ever heard
  2801. the name Samika Shaw?
  2802.  
  2803. 633
  2804. 00:35:19,124 --> 00:35:20,355
  2805. No, I haven't.
  2806.  
  2807. 634
  2808. 00:35:20,357 --> 00:35:22,091
  2809. Really?
  2810.  
  2811. 635
  2812. 00:35:22,093 --> 00:35:24,194
  2813. Well, she died in 2000 after
  2814. being treated by Dr. Gosnell.
  2815.  
  2816. 636
  2817. 00:35:24,196 --> 00:35:27,397
  2818. Ever heard of the Mother's
  2819. Day Massacre in 1972?
  2820.  
  2821. 637
  2822. 00:35:27,399 --> 00:35:30,200
  2823. Gosnell flew to the Bahamas
  2824. for 12 years right after that.
  2825.  
  2826. 638
  2827. 00:35:30,202 --> 00:35:31,535
  2828. Curious about why?
  2829.  
  2830. 639
  2831. 00:35:31,537 --> 00:35:32,734
  2832. Well, you can read
  2833. about it on my blog,
  2834.  
  2835. 640
  2836. 00:35:32,736 --> 00:35:34,904
  2837. the links are on the card.
  2838.  
  2839. 641
  2840. 00:35:34,906 --> 00:35:36,442
  2841. Wait, hold on.
  2842.  
  2843. 642
  2844. 00:35:37,443 --> 00:35:39,276
  2845. Where are you getting
  2846. your information?
  2847.  
  2848. 643
  2849. 00:35:39,278 --> 00:35:42,381
  2850. Sorry, I don't speak about
  2851. ongoing investigations.
  2852.  
  2853. 644
  2854. 00:36:01,834 --> 00:36:05,167
  2855. Ah kee kee, kee, I
  2856. got your toes here.
  2857.  
  2858. 645
  2859. 00:36:05,169 --> 00:36:07,504
  2860. Chh, chh, clap, clap, clap.
  2861.  
  2862. 646
  2863. 00:36:30,629 --> 00:36:34,767
  2864. We rehydrated all 47 of the
  2865. bodies taken from the fridges.
  2866.  
  2867. 647
  2868. 00:36:35,767 --> 00:36:38,901
  2869. I think you'll wanna
  2870. concentrate on the five largest.
  2871.  
  2872. 648
  2873. 00:36:38,903 --> 00:36:41,136
  2874. During a legal abortion,
  2875. a doctor would definitely
  2876.  
  2877. 649
  2878. 00:36:41,138 --> 00:36:44,808
  2879. have to empty the skulls to get
  2880. 'em through the birth canal.
  2881.  
  2882. 650
  2883. 00:36:44,810 --> 00:36:48,212
  2884. So if we could prove the
  2885. skulls weren't emptied...
  2886.  
  2887. 651
  2888. 00:36:48,214 --> 00:36:51,517
  2889. That would mean they were
  2890. probably delivered alive.
  2891.  
  2892. 652
  2893. 00:37:03,227 --> 00:37:05,664
  2894. How do we know if the
  2895. skulls were emptied?
  2896.  
  2897. 653
  2898. 00:37:10,167 --> 00:37:11,035
  2899. We look.
  2900.  
  2901. 654
  2902. 00:37:17,642 --> 00:37:19,145
  2903. You just had a baby, Lex.
  2904.  
  2905. 655
  2906. 00:37:44,970 --> 00:37:45,838
  2907. Hey.
  2908.  
  2909. 656
  2910. 00:37:55,013 --> 00:37:55,881
  2911. What's going on?
  2912.  
  2913. 657
  2914. 00:37:57,883 --> 00:38:03,088
  2915. Mother's Day, 1972, Gosnell
  2916. and this psychologist,
  2917.  
  2918. 658
  2919. 00:38:04,189 --> 00:38:07,593
  2920. they bused in 15 pregnant
  2921. women from Chicago.
  2922.  
  2923. 659
  2924. 00:38:09,260 --> 00:38:10,662
  2925. Second trimester.
  2926.  
  2927. 660
  2928. 00:38:12,097 --> 00:38:16,299
  2929. They were doing
  2930. this big experiment,
  2931.  
  2932. 661
  2933. 00:38:16,301 --> 00:38:17,700
  2934. a demonstration, you know.
  2935.  
  2936. 662
  2937. 00:38:17,702 --> 00:38:19,504
  2938. They filmed it and everything.
  2939.  
  2940. 663
  2941. 00:38:21,140 --> 00:38:24,573
  2942. They were testing
  2943. this new device
  2944.  
  2945. 664
  2946. 00:38:24,575 --> 00:38:26,945
  2947. to make abortion easier.
  2948.  
  2949. 665
  2950. 00:38:30,115 --> 00:38:32,115
  2951. This ball of blades.
  2952.  
  2953. 666
  2954. 00:38:32,117 --> 00:38:36,921
  2955. They put it inside the woman
  2956. and the blades rolled open.
  2957.  
  2958. 667
  2959. 00:38:42,627 --> 00:38:44,563
  2960. Cut the girls up bad.
  2961.  
  2962. 668
  2963. 00:38:45,763 --> 00:38:49,332
  2964. Infections, hemorrhages,
  2965. one poor girl
  2966.  
  2967. 669
  2968. 00:38:49,334 --> 00:38:50,935
  2969. had to have a hysterectomy.
  2970.  
  2971. 670
  2972. 00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:05,850
  2973. You know what
  2974. happened to Gosnell?
  2975.  
  2976. 671
  2977. 00:39:07,952 --> 00:39:08,886
  2978. Nothing.
  2979.  
  2980. 672
  2981. 00:39:10,155 --> 00:39:13,857
  2982. He hid out in the Bahamas
  2983. for a while, came back here,
  2984.  
  2985. 673
  2986. 00:39:13,859 --> 00:39:17,596
  2987. opened another clinic,
  2988. and since then, he's,
  2989.  
  2990. 674
  2991. 00:39:18,897 --> 00:39:24,135
  2992. he's been, killing babies, Ed.
  2993.  
  2994. 675
  2995. 00:39:25,002 --> 00:39:27,439
  2996. He's been delivering
  2997. babies alive,
  2998.  
  2999. 676
  3000. 00:39:28,339 --> 00:39:32,745
  3001. and then snipping their
  3002. necks with scissors.
  3003.  
  3004. 677
  3005. 00:39:33,912 --> 00:39:36,044
  3006. Hundreds of them,
  3007. thousands maybe,
  3008.  
  3009. 678
  3010. 00:39:36,046 --> 00:39:38,182
  3011. I don't know, for 30 years.
  3012.  
  3013. 679
  3014. 00:39:39,084 --> 00:39:41,185
  3015. Because nobody wanted
  3016. to say anything.
  3017.  
  3018. 680
  3019. 00:39:42,988 --> 00:39:44,756
  3020. Nobody wanted to know.
  3021.  
  3022. 681
  3023. 00:39:50,528 --> 00:39:52,595
  3024. I'm gonna get that bastard.
  3025.  
  3026. 682
  3027. 00:39:58,803 --> 00:39:59,669
  3028. You didn't pass out.
  3029.  
  3030. 683
  3031. 00:39:59,671 --> 00:40:01,404
  3032. No, but close.
  3033.  
  3034. 684
  3035. 00:40:01,406 --> 00:40:03,305
  3036. So, these are the files
  3037. that'll go with the other ones.
  3038.  
  3039. 685
  3040. 00:40:03,307 --> 00:40:06,277
  3041. Yeah, that would
  3042. be great, thank you.
  3043.  
  3044. 686
  3045. 00:40:12,082 --> 00:40:14,383
  3046. Okay, what have we got?
  3047.  
  3048. 687
  3049. 00:40:14,385 --> 00:40:16,352
  3050. We have written
  3051. statements from a number
  3052.  
  3053. 688
  3054. 00:40:16,354 --> 00:40:20,223
  3055. of untrained staff who saw
  3056. Gosnell snip the spinal cords
  3057.  
  3058. 689
  3059. 00:40:20,225 --> 00:40:22,258
  3060. of the babies after
  3061. they were born.
  3062.  
  3063. 690
  3064. 00:40:22,260 --> 00:40:24,727
  3065. He also directed his unlicensed
  3066. staff to administer drugs
  3067.  
  3068. 691
  3069. 00:40:24,729 --> 00:40:27,830
  3070. to Karnamaya Mongar,
  3071. resulting in her death.
  3072.  
  3073. 692
  3074. 00:40:27,832 --> 00:40:29,499
  3075. And we've gotten
  3076. statements to the tune
  3077.  
  3078. 693
  3079. 00:40:29,501 --> 00:40:32,935
  3080. of over 200 violations of
  3081. existing abortion limits,
  3082.  
  3083. 694
  3084. 00:40:32,937 --> 00:40:35,770
  3085. from the 24-hour rule
  3086. to the 24-week rule.
  3087.  
  3088. 695
  3089. 00:40:35,772 --> 00:40:37,339
  3090. Physical evidence?
  3091.  
  3092. 696
  3093. 00:40:37,341 --> 00:40:40,509
  3094. The bodies of six
  3095. fetuses, babies, whose heads
  3096.  
  3097. 697
  3098. 00:40:40,511 --> 00:40:43,779
  3099. were not emptied, indicating
  3100. they were born intact.
  3101.  
  3102. 698
  3103. 00:40:43,781 --> 00:40:45,348
  3104. Anything else?
  3105.  
  3106. 699
  3107. 00:40:45,350 --> 00:40:47,116
  3108. We also have a suspicion
  3109. that he was using medical waste
  3110.  
  3111. 700
  3112. 00:40:47,118 --> 00:40:48,917
  3113. from his clinics and he
  3114. was using that as bait
  3115.  
  3116. 701
  3117. 00:40:48,919 --> 00:40:50,953
  3118. for his crab pots
  3119. at his beach house.
  3120.  
  3121. 702
  3122. 00:40:50,955 --> 00:40:54,256
  3123. Well, that's sick and shocking,
  3124. but it's a lesser charge,
  3125.  
  3126. 703
  3127. 00:40:54,258 --> 00:40:55,491
  3128. abuse of corpse.
  3129.  
  3130. 704
  3131. 00:40:55,493 --> 00:40:56,892
  3132. It's not murder.
  3133.  
  3134. 705
  3135. 00:40:56,894 --> 00:40:58,593
  3136. What about that
  3137. garbage disposal?
  3138.  
  3139. 706
  3140. 00:40:58,595 --> 00:41:00,129
  3141. I mean, that thing was clogged
  3142. with God only knows what.
  3143.  
  3144. 707
  3145. 00:41:00,131 --> 00:41:01,730
  3146. There were
  3147. probably baby parts...
  3148.  
  3149. 708
  3150. 00:41:01,732 --> 00:41:04,433
  3151. Again, that does not
  3152. speak to a murder charge.
  3153.  
  3154. 709
  3155. 00:41:04,435 --> 00:41:06,301
  3156. Now listen.
  3157.  
  3158. 710
  3159. 00:41:06,303 --> 00:41:10,772
  3160. I heard Gosnell put
  3161. Mike Cohan on retainer.
  3162.  
  3163. 711
  3164. 00:41:10,774 --> 00:41:12,508
  3165. He's tough.
  3166.  
  3167. 712
  3168. 00:41:12,510 --> 00:41:15,213
  3169. If I was in this trouble, I'd
  3170. want him representing me too.
  3171.  
  3172. 713
  3173. 00:41:16,747 --> 00:41:17,648
  3174. Lexi.
  3175.  
  3176. 714
  3177. 00:41:18,450 --> 00:41:20,549
  3178. You have to
  3179. understand completely
  3180.  
  3181. 715
  3182. 00:41:20,551 --> 00:41:22,417
  3183. what it is you're doing here.
  3184.  
  3185. 716
  3186. 00:41:22,419 --> 00:41:26,122
  3187. You are prosecuting an
  3188. abortion doctor for murder.
  3189.  
  3190. 717
  3191. 00:41:26,124 --> 00:41:29,892
  3192. That man took babies
  3193. that he medically induced
  3194.  
  3195. 718
  3196. 00:41:29,894 --> 00:41:31,294
  3197. to be born alive...
  3198.  
  3199. 719
  3200. 00:41:31,296 --> 00:41:35,298
  3201. Yes, yes, but you know
  3202. how Cohan will play it.
  3203.  
  3204. 720
  3205. 00:41:35,300 --> 00:41:37,933
  3206. And you know how it
  3207. will play in the media.
  3208.  
  3209. 721
  3210. 00:41:37,935 --> 00:41:40,270
  3211. If you try this case
  3212. and lose, you can kiss
  3213.  
  3214. 722
  3215. 00:41:40,272 --> 00:41:43,339
  3216. any sort of political position
  3217. with the governor goodbye.
  3218.  
  3219. 723
  3220. 00:41:44,743 --> 00:41:47,509
  3221. You'll be the prosecutor who
  3222. went after reproductive rights.
  3223.  
  3224. 724
  3225. 00:41:47,511 --> 00:41:51,149
  3226. An activist ADA and you'll
  3227. be a racist to boot.
  3228.  
  3229. 725
  3230. 00:41:52,417 --> 00:41:56,651
  3231. There is nothing that man
  3232. did illegally for 30 years
  3233.  
  3234. 726
  3235. 00:41:56,653 --> 00:41:59,488
  3236. that protects women or children
  3237.  
  3238. 727
  3239. 00:41:59,490 --> 00:42:02,760
  3240. and you don't have to be a
  3241. pro-life activist to see that.
  3242.  
  3243. 728
  3244. 00:42:04,495 --> 00:42:05,463
  3245. All right.
  3246.  
  3247. 729
  3248. 00:42:06,798 --> 00:42:08,232
  3249. But you better win.
  3250.  
  3251. 730
  3252. 00:42:09,700 --> 00:42:11,868
  3253. Your Honor, we believe
  3254. there is sufficient evidence
  3255.  
  3256. 731
  3257. 00:42:11,870 --> 00:42:16,105
  3258. to prove that Karnamaya Mongar
  3259. was murdered by Dr. Gosnell
  3260.  
  3261. 732
  3262. 00:42:16,107 --> 00:42:20,209
  3263. and that he murdered a number
  3264. of infants born alive...
  3265.  
  3266. 733
  3267. 00:42:20,211 --> 00:42:22,212
  3268. All right, stop right there.
  3269.  
  3270. 734
  3271. 00:42:22,214 --> 00:42:24,680
  3272. This is not a case
  3273. about abortion.
  3274.  
  3275. 735
  3276. 00:42:24,682 --> 00:42:25,881
  3277. You hear me?
  3278.  
  3279. 736
  3280. 00:42:25,883 --> 00:42:26,918
  3281. I hear you.
  3282.  
  3283. 737
  3284. 00:42:28,019 --> 00:42:30,453
  3285. You bring this
  3286. to my grand jury,
  3287.  
  3288. 738
  3289. 00:42:30,455 --> 00:42:33,189
  3290. I'm the one who signs
  3291. off on the report,
  3292.  
  3293. 739
  3294. 00:42:33,191 --> 00:42:37,427
  3295. and that report
  3296. will not, will not
  3297.  
  3298. 740
  3299. 00:42:38,363 --> 00:42:41,332
  3300. bring a woman's right
  3301. to chose into question.
  3302.  
  3303. 741
  3304. 00:42:42,501 --> 00:42:45,368
  3305. In this state, you've got
  3306. a lot of conservative folk
  3307.  
  3308. 742
  3309. 00:42:45,370 --> 00:42:47,572
  3310. who'd like to see
  3311. abortion outlawed
  3312.  
  3313. 743
  3314. 00:42:48,472 --> 00:42:51,073
  3315. and this is not
  3316. going to be the case
  3317.  
  3318. 744
  3319. 00:42:51,075 --> 00:42:53,078
  3320. that gives them an excuse.
  3321.  
  3322. 745
  3323. 00:42:54,646 --> 00:42:57,312
  3324. That's the way you're
  3325. going to try it,
  3326.  
  3327. 746
  3328. 00:42:57,314 --> 00:43:01,017
  3329. because that's the only
  3330. way I'll sign off on it.
  3331.  
  3332. 747
  3333. 00:43:02,720 --> 00:43:03,789
  3334. Understood?
  3335.  
  3336. 748
  3337. 00:43:20,537 --> 00:43:24,040
  3338. As an intern, you saw
  3339. the conditions of the clinic.
  3340.  
  3341. 749
  3342. 00:43:24,042 --> 00:43:25,140
  3343. Oh yeah.
  3344.  
  3345. 750
  3346. 00:43:25,142 --> 00:43:27,509
  3347. There was dirt everywhere.
  3348.  
  3349. 751
  3350. 00:43:27,511 --> 00:43:30,513
  3351. Instruments being reused
  3352. without sterilization.
  3353.  
  3354. 752
  3355. 00:43:30,515 --> 00:43:33,149
  3356. Sometimes the patients
  3357. would have to urinate
  3358.  
  3359. 753
  3360. 00:43:33,151 --> 00:43:36,151
  3361. in the halls because
  3362. the bathrooms were busy.
  3363.  
  3364. 754
  3365. 00:43:36,153 --> 00:43:37,789
  3366. No one even cleaned it up.
  3367.  
  3368. 755
  3369. 00:43:39,423 --> 00:43:40,823
  3370. As a nursing student,
  3371.  
  3372. 756
  3373. 00:43:40,825 --> 00:43:43,260
  3374. why didn't you
  3375. report any of this?
  3376.  
  3377. 757
  3378. 00:43:44,194 --> 00:43:46,529
  3379. I just thought that's
  3380. the way they did things
  3381.  
  3382. 758
  3383. 00:43:46,531 --> 00:43:48,367
  3384. in an inner city clinic.
  3385.  
  3386. 759
  3387. 00:43:49,501 --> 00:43:51,600
  3388. I was referring
  3389. patients to Gosnell
  3390.  
  3391. 760
  3392. 00:43:51,602 --> 00:43:55,039
  3393. and they were returning with
  3394. sexually transmitted diseases.
  3395.  
  3396. 761
  3397. 00:43:55,841 --> 00:43:57,406
  3398. I got suspicious.
  3399.  
  3400. 762
  3401. 00:43:57,408 --> 00:44:00,609
  3402. I asked a social worker
  3403. to check the place out.
  3404.  
  3405. 763
  3406. 00:44:00,611 --> 00:44:05,048
  3407. She found appallingly dirty
  3408. conditions, untrained personnel,
  3409.  
  3410. 764
  3411. 00:44:05,050 --> 00:44:08,250
  3412. single use instruments
  3413. being used repeatedly.
  3414.  
  3415. 765
  3416. 00:44:08,252 --> 00:44:09,653
  3417. So you
  3418. filed a complaint
  3419.  
  3420. 766
  3421. 00:44:09,655 --> 00:44:11,386
  3422. with the State
  3423. Department of Health?
  3424.  
  3425. 767
  3426. 00:44:11,388 --> 00:44:15,125
  3427. I hand delivered that
  3428. complaint to the DOH personally.
  3429.  
  3430. 768
  3431. 00:44:15,127 --> 00:44:16,225
  3432. And their response?
  3433.  
  3434. 769
  3435. 00:44:16,227 --> 00:44:17,896
  3436. They never got back to me.
  3437.  
  3438. 770
  3439. 00:44:21,633 --> 00:44:27,004
  3440. When I said I wanted
  3441. to stop, he yelled at me.
  3442.  
  3443. 771
  3444. 00:44:27,839 --> 00:44:30,875
  3445. He slapped my leg real hard.
  3446.  
  3447. 772
  3448. 00:44:32,010 --> 00:44:35,111
  3449. Do you remember
  3450. exactly what he said to you?
  3451.  
  3452. 773
  3453. 00:44:35,113 --> 00:44:38,951
  3454. He told me, "Stop
  3455. acting like a baby."
  3456.  
  3457. 774
  3458. 00:44:39,818 --> 00:44:41,252
  3459. All of the nurses did.
  3460.  
  3461. 775
  3462. 00:44:42,187 --> 00:44:44,355
  3463. And then I passed out.
  3464.  
  3465. 776
  3466. 00:44:45,490 --> 00:44:50,495
  3467. And when I woke back up, I
  3468. knew I wasn't pregnant no more.
  3469.  
  3470. 777
  3471. 00:44:54,399 --> 00:44:56,866
  3472. I asked Dr.
  3473. Gosnell what happened
  3474.  
  3475. 778
  3476. 00:44:56,868 --> 00:44:58,234
  3477. to the babies afterwards.
  3478.  
  3479. 779
  3480. 00:44:58,236 --> 00:45:00,102
  3481. He said, "We burn 'em."
  3482.  
  3483. 780
  3484. 00:45:00,104 --> 00:45:01,671
  3485. So I told him I changed my mind.
  3486.  
  3487. 781
  3488. 00:45:01,673 --> 00:45:04,240
  3489. He got really mad at me,
  3490. told me it was too late.
  3491.  
  3492. 782
  3493. 00:45:04,242 --> 00:45:06,910
  3494. Said the procedure
  3495. couldn't be reversed.
  3496.  
  3497. 783
  3498. 00:45:06,912 --> 00:45:09,712
  3499. But the laminaria
  3500. had already been placed
  3501.  
  3502. 784
  3503. 00:45:09,714 --> 00:45:11,013
  3504. in your cervix, right?
  3505.  
  3506. 785
  3507. 00:45:11,015 --> 00:45:12,314
  3508. So what did you do?
  3509.  
  3510. 786
  3511. 00:45:12,316 --> 00:45:14,351
  3512. I went to Children's
  3513. Hospital instead.
  3514.  
  3515. 787
  3516. 00:45:15,287 --> 00:45:16,718
  3517. And were they able
  3518. to help you out?
  3519.  
  3520. 788
  3521. 00:45:16,720 --> 00:45:17,787
  3522. Oh yes.
  3523.  
  3524. 789
  3525. 00:45:17,789 --> 00:45:19,057
  3526. I had my baby.
  3527.  
  3528. 790
  3529. 00:45:20,993 --> 00:45:22,258
  3530. The prosecution
  3531. has offered you
  3532.  
  3533. 791
  3534. 00:45:22,260 --> 00:45:24,294
  3535. a plea bargain, Dr. Gosnell.
  3536.  
  3537. 792
  3538. 00:45:24,296 --> 00:45:26,296
  3539. Your wife and daughter
  3540. would keep the house,
  3541.  
  3542. 793
  3543. 00:45:26,298 --> 00:45:28,064
  3544. your wife would
  3545. avoid prosecution,
  3546.  
  3547. 794
  3548. 00:45:28,066 --> 00:45:29,899
  3549. and you would avoid
  3550. the death penalty.
  3551.  
  3552. 795
  3553. 00:45:29,901 --> 00:45:33,169
  3554. But, I would have to admit
  3555. I was guilty.
  3556.  
  3557. 796
  3558. 00:45:33,171 --> 00:45:34,904
  3559. That is correct.
  3560.  
  3561. 797
  3562. 00:45:34,906 --> 00:45:37,605
  3563. Why on Earth would
  3564. I wanna do that?
  3565.  
  3566. 798
  3567. 00:45:37,607 --> 00:45:38,910
  3568. I'm not guilty.
  3569.  
  3570. 799
  3571. 00:45:42,147 --> 00:45:43,912
  3572. In that case, let me
  3573. ask you some questions
  3574.  
  3575. 800
  3576. 00:45:43,914 --> 00:45:45,515
  3577. that the prosecution
  3578. might ask you
  3579.  
  3580. 801
  3581. 00:45:45,517 --> 00:45:47,350
  3582. in the event we go to trial.
  3583.  
  3584. 802
  3585. 00:45:47,352 --> 00:45:50,422
  3586. I look forward to the
  3587. opportunity to tell my story.
  3588.  
  3589. 803
  3590. 00:45:52,624 --> 00:45:55,890
  3591. Well, the DA alleges that
  3592. you performed abortions
  3593.  
  3594. 804
  3595. 00:45:55,892 --> 00:45:57,361
  3596. past the legal limit.
  3597.  
  3598. 805
  3599. 00:45:58,664 --> 00:46:01,633
  3600. I was a close friend of
  3601. George Tiller, you know.
  3602.  
  3603. 806
  3604. 00:46:02,901 --> 00:46:04,000
  3605. I'm sorry?
  3606.  
  3607. 807
  3608. 00:46:04,002 --> 00:46:06,035
  3609. He was a sweet, gentle man.
  3610.  
  3611. 808
  3612. 00:46:06,037 --> 00:46:07,736
  3613. A martyr, really.
  3614.  
  3615. 809
  3616. 00:46:07,738 --> 00:46:10,841
  3617. But they said that he
  3618. performed late abortions too,
  3619.  
  3620. 810
  3621. 00:46:11,975 --> 00:46:15,646
  3622. and for that, he was struck
  3623. down by an assassin's bullet.
  3624.  
  3625. 811
  3626. 00:46:19,684 --> 00:46:22,685
  3627. Well, to get back
  3628. on point, Dr. Gosnell,
  3629.  
  3630. 812
  3631. 00:46:22,687 --> 00:46:26,990
  3632. let's say a woman came
  3633. to you, desperate,
  3634.  
  3635. 813
  3636. 00:46:26,992 --> 00:46:28,825
  3637. past the 24-week limit.
  3638.  
  3639. 814
  3640. 00:46:28,827 --> 00:46:31,794
  3641. Would you be inclined
  3642. to give her an abortion?
  3643.  
  3644. 815
  3645. 00:46:31,796 --> 00:46:33,162
  3646. Yes.
  3647.  
  3648. 816
  3649. 00:46:33,164 --> 00:46:36,064
  3650. I've asked myself what
  3651. if your own daughter
  3652.  
  3653. 817
  3654. 00:46:36,066 --> 00:46:37,667
  3655. were in this situation?
  3656.  
  3657. 818
  3658. 00:46:37,669 --> 00:46:40,870
  3659. Would you want her to have
  3660. access to an abortion?
  3661.  
  3662. 819
  3663. 00:46:40,872 --> 00:46:43,975
  3664. To not have her life
  3665. changed forever by a baby?
  3666.  
  3667. 820
  3668. 00:46:45,510 --> 00:46:47,109
  3669. I looked at all
  3670. the women I treated
  3671.  
  3672. 821
  3673. 00:46:47,111 --> 00:46:49,013
  3674. as if they were my own daughter.
  3675.  
  3676. 822
  3677. 00:46:50,615 --> 00:46:52,080
  3678. Many of the files
  3679. in your office
  3680.  
  3681. 823
  3682. 00:46:52,082 --> 00:46:54,817
  3683. you had written 24.5 weeks.
  3684.  
  3685. 824
  3686. 00:46:54,819 --> 00:46:56,718
  3687. Are you aware that 24.5 weeks
  3688.  
  3689. 825
  3690. 00:46:56,720 --> 00:46:58,754
  3691. is past the legal
  3692. limit for abortion?
  3693.  
  3694. 826
  3695. 00:46:58,756 --> 00:47:03,392
  3696. I suppose I
  3697. assumed as in mathematics,
  3698.  
  3699. 827
  3700. 00:47:03,394 --> 00:47:06,664
  3701. that the number would be
  3702. rounded down to 24.
  3703.  
  3704. 828
  3705. 00:47:08,466 --> 00:47:10,732
  3706. Well, actually,
  3707. in mathematics that number
  3708.  
  3709. 829
  3710. 00:47:10,734 --> 00:47:12,535
  3711. would be rounded up,
  3712. but are you saying
  3713.  
  3714. 830
  3715. 00:47:12,537 --> 00:47:15,004
  3716. that that number
  3717. was an estimation
  3718.  
  3719. 831
  3720. 00:47:15,006 --> 00:47:17,173
  3721. and not a scientifically
  3722. deduced fact?
  3723.  
  3724. 832
  3725. 00:47:17,175 --> 00:47:19,676
  3726. If you read the law, it states
  3727.  
  3728. 833
  3729. 00:47:19,678 --> 00:47:23,645
  3730. that the measure of viability
  3731. is up to the physician.
  3732.  
  3733. 834
  3734. 00:47:23,647 --> 00:47:28,852
  3735. So, if I assessed that it is
  3736. of a lower gestational age,
  3737.  
  3738. 835
  3739. 00:47:29,553 --> 00:47:30,854
  3740. then that's what rules today.
  3741.  
  3742. 836
  3743. 00:47:31,622 --> 00:47:33,388
  3744. So your interpretation
  3745. of the law
  3746.  
  3747. 837
  3748. 00:47:33,390 --> 00:47:36,125
  3749. is that whatever you
  3750. decide to write down
  3751.  
  3752. 838
  3753. 00:47:36,127 --> 00:47:37,459
  3754. should be accepted.
  3755.  
  3756. 839
  3757. 00:47:37,461 --> 00:47:38,329
  3758. Yes.
  3759.  
  3760. 840
  3761. 00:47:40,664 --> 00:47:44,133
  3762. You kept the feet of
  3763. aborted babies in jars.
  3764.  
  3765. 841
  3766. 00:47:44,135 --> 00:47:45,633
  3767. Why?
  3768.  
  3769. 842
  3770. 00:47:45,635 --> 00:47:50,272
  3771. It's often necessary
  3772. to preserve the DNA
  3773.  
  3774. 843
  3775. 00:47:50,274 --> 00:47:52,142
  3776. for later identification.
  3777.  
  3778. 844
  3779. 00:47:52,144 --> 00:47:54,276
  3780. It's customary for
  3781. physicians to preserve
  3782.  
  3783. 845
  3784. 00:47:54,278 --> 00:47:57,113
  3785. a small sample, but
  3786. not a whole foot.
  3787.  
  3788. 846
  3789. 00:47:57,115 --> 00:47:59,117
  3790. See, these are
  3791. scientific matters.
  3792.  
  3793. 847
  3794. 00:48:00,051 --> 00:48:02,151
  3795. I can't expect a
  3796. layman to understand
  3797.  
  3798. 848
  3799. 00:48:02,153 --> 00:48:05,122
  3800. the complex nature
  3801. of my research.
  3802.  
  3803. 849
  3804. 00:48:06,223 --> 00:48:08,357
  3805. Is it true that you
  3806. allowed your unlicensed
  3807.  
  3808. 850
  3809. 00:48:08,359 --> 00:48:11,127
  3810. and untrained staff to
  3811. administer anesthesia
  3812.  
  3813. 851
  3814. 00:48:11,129 --> 00:48:14,629
  3815. and even to perform medical
  3816. procedures in your absence?
  3817.  
  3818. 852
  3819. 00:48:14,631 --> 00:48:16,799
  3820. They were properly trained.
  3821.  
  3822. 853
  3823. 00:48:16,801 --> 00:48:18,067
  3824. I trained 'em myself.
  3825.  
  3826. 854
  3827. 00:48:18,069 --> 00:48:19,801
  3828. But you are aware
  3829. that there are laws
  3830.  
  3831. 855
  3832. 00:48:19,803 --> 00:48:23,772
  3833. governing the licensing and
  3834. training of medical personnel?
  3835.  
  3836. 856
  3837. 00:48:23,774 --> 00:48:25,309
  3838. These laws.
  3839.  
  3840. 857
  3841. 00:48:26,276 --> 00:48:27,343
  3842. They've always struck me
  3843.  
  3844. 858
  3845. 00:48:27,345 --> 00:48:29,948
  3846. as being politically motivated.
  3847.  
  3848. 859
  3849. 00:48:30,848 --> 00:48:33,682
  3850. The enemies of
  3851. abortion erected them
  3852.  
  3853. 860
  3854. 00:48:33,684 --> 00:48:38,256
  3855. to create barriers between
  3856. women and my services.
  3857.  
  3858. 861
  3859. 00:48:39,758 --> 00:48:42,461
  3860. I have no respect for
  3861. these laws whatsoever.
  3862.  
  3863. 862
  3864. 00:48:43,662 --> 00:48:47,631
  3865. These poor women who need me
  3866.  
  3867. 863
  3868. 00:48:49,868 --> 00:48:51,236
  3869. have nowhere else to go.
  3870.  
  3871. 864
  3872. 00:48:57,207 --> 00:48:58,475
  3873. You are an inspector
  3874.  
  3875. 865
  3876. 00:48:58,477 --> 00:49:00,276
  3877. for the Department
  3878. of Health, correct?
  3879.  
  3880. 866
  3881. 00:49:00,278 --> 00:49:01,644
  3882. Correct.
  3883.  
  3884. 867
  3885. 00:49:01,646 --> 00:49:03,111
  3886. And when was the
  3887. last time your division
  3888.  
  3889. 868
  3890. 00:49:03,113 --> 00:49:05,747
  3891. inspected Dr. Gosnell's clinic?
  3892.  
  3893. 869
  3894. 00:49:05,749 --> 00:49:06,982
  3895. 1993.
  3896.  
  3897. 870
  3898. 00:49:06,984 --> 00:49:09,620
  3899. And then when the
  3900. FBI raided the place.
  3901.  
  3902. 871
  3903. 00:49:10,488 --> 00:49:12,955
  3904. 17 years between inspections.
  3905.  
  3906. 872
  3907. 00:49:12,957 --> 00:49:14,756
  3908. We were told not
  3909. to do any inspections
  3910.  
  3911. 873
  3912. 00:49:14,758 --> 00:49:16,892
  3913. unless we received complaints.
  3914.  
  3915. 874
  3916. 00:49:16,894 --> 00:49:19,763
  3917. And you received no
  3918. complaints about Gosnell?
  3919.  
  3920. 875
  3921. 00:49:28,506 --> 00:49:30,341
  3922. Can you tell me what these are?
  3923.  
  3924. 876
  3925. 00:49:32,176 --> 00:49:33,341
  3926. I'll tell you what they are.
  3927.  
  3928. 877
  3929. 00:49:33,343 --> 00:49:34,442
  3930. They're complaints.
  3931.  
  3932. 878
  3933. 00:49:34,444 --> 00:49:36,414
  3934. Why didn't you do an inspection?
  3935.  
  3936. 879
  3937. 00:49:37,147 --> 00:49:39,015
  3938. We had instructions directly
  3939.  
  3940. 880
  3941. 00:49:39,017 --> 00:49:40,348
  3942. from Governor Ridge's office
  3943.  
  3944. 881
  3945. 00:49:40,350 --> 00:49:41,984
  3946. not to inspect abortion clinics.
  3947.  
  3948. 882
  3949. 00:49:41,986 --> 00:49:43,386
  3950. Why?
  3951.  
  3952. 883
  3953. 00:49:43,388 --> 00:49:44,453
  3954. It would hamper
  3955. women from exercising
  3956.  
  3957. 884
  3958. 00:49:44,455 --> 00:49:45,821
  3959. their reproductive rights.
  3960.  
  3961. 885
  3962. 00:49:45,823 --> 00:49:48,191
  3963. Are you aware that a
  3964. woman, Karnamaya Mongar,
  3965.  
  3966. 886
  3967. 00:49:48,193 --> 00:49:51,959
  3968. died of complications from an
  3969. abortion at Gosnell's clinic?
  3970.  
  3971. 887
  3972. 00:49:51,961 --> 00:49:53,495
  3973. I believe so, yes.
  3974.  
  3975. 888
  3976. 00:49:53,497 --> 00:49:55,798
  3977. Is it true the DOH
  3978. requires nail salons
  3979.  
  3980. 889
  3981. 00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:58,801
  3982. to be inspected at
  3983. least once a year?
  3984.  
  3985. 890
  3986. 00:49:58,803 --> 00:50:00,002
  3987. Yes.
  3988.  
  3989. 891
  3990. 00:50:00,004 --> 00:50:01,537
  3991. If someone had
  3992. died at a nail salon,
  3993.  
  3994. 892
  3995. 00:50:01,539 --> 00:50:03,973
  3996. would you have
  3997. inspected it then?
  3998.  
  3999. 893
  4000. 00:50:03,975 --> 00:50:05,473
  4001. Look.
  4002.  
  4003. 894
  4004. 00:50:05,475 --> 00:50:07,778
  4005. Accidents happen during
  4006. medical procedures.
  4007.  
  4008. 895
  4009. 00:50:08,446 --> 00:50:09,779
  4010. People die.
  4011.  
  4012. 896
  4013. 00:50:34,638 --> 00:50:37,408
  4014. So this is what happens
  4015. when you try to help people?
  4016.  
  4017. 897
  4018. 00:50:51,622 --> 00:50:53,555
  4019. Dr. Kermit Gosnell.
  4020.  
  4021. 898
  4022. 00:50:53,557 --> 00:50:55,890
  4023. You are charged with
  4024. eight counts of murder
  4025.  
  4026. 899
  4027. 00:50:55,892 --> 00:50:57,228
  4028. in the first degree,
  4029.  
  4030. 900
  4031. 00:50:58,095 --> 00:51:00,863
  4032. 24 counts of illegal abortion,
  4033.  
  4034. 901
  4035. 00:51:00,865 --> 00:51:04,533
  4036. and 227 misdemeanor violations
  4037.  
  4038. 902
  4039. 00:51:04,535 --> 00:51:07,705
  4040. of the 24-hour
  4041. abortion consent law.
  4042.  
  4043. 903
  4044. 00:51:08,539 --> 00:51:09,707
  4045. How do you plead?
  4046.  
  4047. 904
  4048. 00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:12,910
  4049. My client pleads not
  4050. guilty, Your Honor.
  4051.  
  4052. 905
  4053. 00:51:14,379 --> 00:51:17,145
  4054. I order you remanded
  4055. to custody to await trial.
  4056.  
  4057. 906
  4058. 00:51:17,147 --> 00:51:19,649
  4059. Your Honor, I'm
  4060. prepared to pay bail.
  4061.  
  4062. 907
  4063. 00:51:19,651 --> 00:51:21,616
  4064. This is a capital
  4065. murder case, Dr. Gosnell.
  4066.  
  4067. 908
  4068. 00:51:21,618 --> 00:51:23,821
  4069. Bail is not a possibility.
  4070.  
  4071. 909
  4072. 00:51:24,756 --> 00:51:26,022
  4073. Do you have anything
  4074. else you'd like to say
  4075.  
  4076. 910
  4077. 00:51:26,024 --> 00:51:27,790
  4078. before this indictment
  4079. is handed down?
  4080.  
  4081. 911
  4082. 00:51:27,792 --> 00:51:29,057
  4083. Oh my.
  4084.  
  4085. 912
  4086. 00:51:29,059 --> 00:51:29,961
  4087. Yes, Your Honor.
  4088.  
  4089. 913
  4090. 00:51:31,129 --> 00:51:33,796
  4091. I'm quite concerned about
  4092. the turtles in my clinic.
  4093.  
  4094. 914
  4095. 00:51:33,798 --> 00:51:35,665
  4096. They're an endangered species
  4097.  
  4098. 915
  4099. 00:51:35,667 --> 00:51:38,734
  4100. and I've filed several
  4101. requests for them to be moved.
  4102.  
  4103. 916
  4104. 00:51:38,736 --> 00:51:41,738
  4105. Counselor, you will
  4106. have to deal with this.
  4107.  
  4108. 917
  4109. 00:51:41,740 --> 00:51:44,473
  4110. Your Honor, this is a
  4111. very complicated case.
  4112.  
  4113. 918
  4114. 00:51:44,475 --> 00:51:46,109
  4115. I think we have
  4116. higher priorities
  4117.  
  4118. 919
  4119. 00:51:46,111 --> 00:51:49,377
  4120. than worrying about Dr. Gosnell's
  4121. illegally obtained pets.
  4122.  
  4123. 920
  4124. 00:51:49,379 --> 00:51:53,049
  4125. I take the Endangered
  4126. Species Act very seriously.
  4127.  
  4128. 921
  4129. 00:51:53,051 --> 00:51:54,984
  4130. You are going to
  4131. have to figure out
  4132.  
  4133. 922
  4134. 00:51:54,986 --> 00:51:58,153
  4135. how to deal with these
  4136. vulnerable creatures.
  4137.  
  4138. 923
  4139. 00:51:59,823 --> 00:52:01,526
  4140. Thank you, Your Honor.
  4141.  
  4142. 924
  4143. 00:52:03,660 --> 00:52:05,562
  4144. Not an animal
  4145. lover, Ms. McGuire?
  4146.  
  4147. 925
  4148. 00:52:18,343 --> 00:52:22,544
  4149. All right, you guys have
  4150. never handled a case like this.
  4151.  
  4152. 926
  4153. 00:52:22,546 --> 00:52:23,814
  4154. You need to be ready.
  4155.  
  4156. 927
  4157. 00:52:24,948 --> 00:52:28,183
  4158. Kermit Gosnell is perhaps the
  4159. most prolific serial killer
  4160.  
  4161. 928
  4162. 00:52:28,185 --> 00:52:29,951
  4163. in American history,
  4164.  
  4165. 929
  4166. 00:52:29,953 --> 00:52:32,187
  4167. but he is also an
  4168. abortion doctor,
  4169.  
  4170. 930
  4171. 00:52:32,189 --> 00:52:34,522
  4172. a major hot button issue.
  4173.  
  4174. 931
  4175. 00:52:34,524 --> 00:52:36,392
  4176. That makes him big news.
  4177.  
  4178. 932
  4179. 00:52:36,394 --> 00:52:38,194
  4180. Ladies and
  4181. gentlemen of the jury,
  4182.  
  4183. 933
  4184. 00:52:38,196 --> 00:52:40,629
  4185. this is gonna be a long trial.
  4186.  
  4187. 934
  4188. 00:52:40,631 --> 00:52:42,365
  4189. When you get to
  4190. the courthouse,
  4191.  
  4192. 935
  4193. 00:52:42,367 --> 00:52:45,866
  4194. you are going to be swarmed
  4195. by reporters, swamped by them.
  4196.  
  4197. 936
  4198. 00:52:45,868 --> 00:52:48,136
  4199. They are gonna be
  4200. shouting questions at you,
  4201.  
  4202. 937
  4203. 00:52:48,138 --> 00:52:52,274
  4204. snapping pictures, sticking
  4205. microphones in your faces.
  4206.  
  4207. 938
  4208. 00:52:53,944 --> 00:52:56,845
  4209. The courtroom is going to
  4210. be packed to overflowing.
  4211.  
  4212. 939
  4213. 00:52:56,847 --> 00:52:58,781
  4214. You won't be able
  4215. to use the toilet
  4216.  
  4217. 940
  4218. 00:52:58,783 --> 00:53:01,417
  4219. without one of them
  4220. sticking their heads out
  4221.  
  4222. 941
  4223. 00:53:01,419 --> 00:53:03,154
  4224. to ask you for an interview.
  4225.  
  4226. 942
  4227. 00:53:04,122 --> 00:53:07,589
  4228. So, remember, take
  4229. a breath, stay calm,
  4230.  
  4231. 943
  4232. 00:53:07,591 --> 00:53:09,591
  4233. say the case will
  4234. be tried in court
  4235.  
  4236. 944
  4237. 00:53:09,593 --> 00:53:11,896
  4238. and decided by the
  4239. jury and that's all.
  4240.  
  4241. 945
  4242. 00:53:12,897 --> 00:53:14,529
  4243. When we get there,
  4244. I want you to head
  4245.  
  4246. 946
  4247. 00:53:14,531 --> 00:53:16,464
  4248. right into the courtroom.
  4249.  
  4250. 947
  4251. 00:53:16,466 --> 00:53:18,435
  4252. I'll stop and
  4253. speak to the press.
  4254.  
  4255. 948
  4256. 00:53:20,805 --> 00:53:22,607
  4257. You ready for this, counselor?
  4258.  
  4259. 949
  4260. 00:53:43,359 --> 00:53:44,796
  4261. I'll be damned.
  4262.  
  4263. 950
  4264. 00:54:03,847 --> 00:54:05,482
  4265. Where is everybody?
  4266.  
  4267. 951
  4268. 00:54:11,354 --> 00:54:12,421
  4269. Hello!
  4270.  
  4271. 952
  4272. 00:54:12,423 --> 00:54:14,089
  4273. Well, how pretty you look today.
  4274.  
  4275. 953
  4276. 00:54:14,091 --> 00:54:16,325
  4277. Don't tell me you know how
  4278. to work that contraption.
  4279.  
  4280. 954
  4281. 00:54:20,497 --> 00:54:21,964
  4282. Hello, counselor.
  4283.  
  4284. 955
  4285. 00:54:21,966 --> 00:54:24,702
  4286. My, what a lovely blouse.
  4287.  
  4288. 956
  4289. 00:54:28,037 --> 00:54:30,641
  4290. This is not a
  4291. case about abortion.
  4292.  
  4293. 957
  4294. 00:54:31,542 --> 00:54:33,575
  4295. This is a case about murder.
  4296.  
  4297. 958
  4298. 00:54:33,577 --> 00:54:35,877
  4299. The murder of Karnamaya Mongar
  4300.  
  4301. 959
  4302. 00:54:35,879 --> 00:54:40,883
  4303. and the murder of seven infants
  4304. born alive and then killed.
  4305.  
  4306. 960
  4307. 00:54:40,885 --> 00:54:42,886
  4308. That's what I want
  4309. you to focus on.
  4310.  
  4311. 961
  4312. 00:54:43,687 --> 00:54:45,720
  4313. The murder of those babies.
  4314.  
  4315. 962
  4316. 00:54:45,722 --> 00:54:47,823
  4317. Not that they were
  4318. there to be aborted,
  4319.  
  4320. 963
  4321. 00:54:47,825 --> 00:54:50,625
  4322. not whatever their
  4323. mothers had in mind,
  4324.  
  4325. 964
  4326. 00:54:50,627 --> 00:54:56,033
  4327. but what happened to those
  4328. babies after they were born alive
  4329.  
  4330. 965
  4331. 00:54:56,499 --> 00:54:57,501
  4332. into this world.
  4333.  
  4334. 966
  4335. 00:55:03,073 --> 00:55:06,375
  4336. They've come up with one
  4337. tragic death, Karnamaya Mongar.
  4338.  
  4339. 967
  4340. 00:55:06,377 --> 00:55:09,845
  4341. One death in 31 years and
  4342. they think that one case
  4343.  
  4344. 968
  4345. 00:55:09,847 --> 00:55:11,549
  4346. makes this man a monster.
  4347.  
  4348. 969
  4349. 00:55:12,484 --> 00:55:14,250
  4350. I mean, to hear the
  4351. Commonwealth talk,
  4352.  
  4353. 970
  4354. 00:55:14,252 --> 00:55:16,584
  4355. you'd think people
  4356. were just dropping dead
  4357.  
  4358. 971
  4359. 00:55:16,586 --> 00:55:18,654
  4360. right in front of
  4361. that clinic every day,
  4362.  
  4363. 972
  4364. 00:55:18,656 --> 00:55:20,890
  4365. the corpses just piling
  4366. up on the sidewalk,
  4367.  
  4368. 973
  4369. 00:55:20,892 --> 00:55:23,325
  4370. right there in front of
  4371. 3801 Lancaster Avenue.
  4372.  
  4373. 974
  4374. 00:55:23,327 --> 00:55:27,462
  4375. But no, this man's clinic has
  4376. been in operation for years,
  4377.  
  4378. 975
  4379. 00:55:27,464 --> 00:55:29,566
  4380. in '78, '79, '80, '81,
  4381.  
  4382. 976
  4383. 00:55:31,068 --> 00:55:31,970
  4384. '82, '83, '84.
  4385.  
  4386. 977
  4387. 00:55:33,169 --> 00:55:35,537
  4388. Year after year after
  4389. year of this man
  4390.  
  4391. 978
  4392. 00:55:35,539 --> 00:55:38,341
  4393. successfully treating his
  4394. patients and giving them
  4395.  
  4396. 979
  4397. 00:55:38,343 --> 00:55:40,042
  4398. the services they requested.
  4399.  
  4400. 980
  4401. 00:55:40,044 --> 00:55:41,410
  4402. Some of them even coming back
  4403.  
  4404. 981
  4405. 00:55:41,412 --> 00:55:43,145
  4406. for a third or fourth procedure.
  4407.  
  4408. 982
  4409. 00:55:43,147 --> 00:55:46,618
  4410. Why would they come back if
  4411. this man was such a monster?
  4412.  
  4413. 983
  4414. 00:55:49,687 --> 00:55:51,020
  4415. The Commonwealth
  4416. wants to tell you
  4417.  
  4418. 984
  4419. 00:55:51,022 --> 00:55:53,488
  4420. that this is not a
  4421. case about abortion.
  4422.  
  4423. 985
  4424. 00:55:54,825 --> 00:55:57,292
  4425. This absolutely is a
  4426. case about abortion,
  4427.  
  4428. 986
  4429. 00:55:57,294 --> 00:55:58,362
  4430. ladies and gentlemen.
  4431.  
  4432. 987
  4433. 00:55:59,463 --> 00:56:02,830
  4434. And if you stay true to your
  4435. oath and you look at the facts,
  4436.  
  4437. 988
  4438. 00:56:02,832 --> 00:56:04,200
  4439. you will see what I see.
  4440.  
  4441. 989
  4442. 00:56:05,102 --> 00:56:07,837
  4443. An overly zealous
  4444. Catholic investigator
  4445.  
  4446. 990
  4447. 00:56:07,839 --> 00:56:11,307
  4448. in a police department
  4449. dominated by Catholicism
  4450.  
  4451. 991
  4452. 00:56:11,309 --> 00:56:15,044
  4453. and a targeted, racist,
  4454. prosecutorial lynching
  4455.  
  4456. 992
  4457. 00:56:15,046 --> 00:56:17,946
  4458. of a man who has done nothing
  4459. but serve the citizens
  4460.  
  4461. 993
  4462. 00:56:17,948 --> 00:56:21,015
  4463. of West Philadelphia for
  4464. decades in neighborhoods
  4465.  
  4466. 994
  4467. 00:56:21,017 --> 00:56:22,952
  4468. they wouldn't even set foot in.
  4469.  
  4470. 995
  4471. 00:56:23,921 --> 00:56:25,890
  4472. Hey man, I think
  4473. he convinced me.
  4474.  
  4475. 996
  4476. 00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:31,926
  4477. Really, Cohan?
  4478.  
  4479. 997
  4480. 00:56:31,928 --> 00:56:32,993
  4481. That's how you're
  4482. gonna play this?
  4483.  
  4484. 998
  4485. 00:56:32,995 --> 00:56:34,062
  4486. We're a bunch of racists?
  4487.  
  4488. 999
  4489. 00:56:34,064 --> 00:56:35,631
  4490. Woody, get a hold of yourself.
  4491.  
  4492. 1000
  4493. 00:56:35,633 --> 00:56:37,165
  4494. You gonna bring my
  4495. religion into this, really?
  4496.  
  4497. 1001
  4498. 00:56:37,167 --> 00:56:38,299
  4499. - Woody, back off!
  4500. - Is that you
  4501.  
  4502. 1002
  4503. 00:56:38,301 --> 00:56:39,368
  4504. wanna make this about,
  4505.  
  4506. 1003
  4507. 00:56:39,370 --> 00:56:40,502
  4508. - you asshole?
  4509. - Hey, hey, hey.
  4510.  
  4511. 1004
  4512. 00:56:40,504 --> 00:56:41,870
  4513. - Do you?
  4514. - Stop it!
  4515.  
  4516. 1005
  4517. 00:56:41,872 --> 00:56:43,138
  4518. Woody, hey, calm
  4519. down, all right?
  4520.  
  4521. 1006
  4522. 00:56:43,140 --> 00:56:44,406
  4523. Hey, keep your mouth
  4524. quiet, all right?
  4525.  
  4526. 1007
  4527. 00:56:44,408 --> 00:56:45,540
  4528. That outburst, it needs to stop.
  4529.  
  4530. 1008
  4531. 00:56:45,542 --> 00:56:46,743
  4532. That could cost us a mistrial.
  4533.  
  4534. 1009
  4535. 00:56:47,678 --> 00:56:48,810
  4536. In this interview
  4537.  
  4538. 1010
  4539. 00:56:48,812 --> 00:56:50,044
  4540. conducted before
  4541. he was arrested,
  4542.  
  4543. 1011
  4544. 00:56:50,046 --> 00:56:52,615
  4545. Dr. Gosnell told
  4546. News 11 he believes
  4547.  
  4548. 1012
  4549. 00:56:52,617 --> 00:56:54,116
  4550. he will be fully vindicated.
  4551.  
  4552. 1013
  4553. 00:56:55,385 --> 00:56:57,017
  4554. I hadn't been aware
  4555. of how hard I'd been
  4556.  
  4557. 1014
  4558. 00:56:57,019 --> 00:56:58,687
  4559. working until I got
  4560. a couple of days off.
  4561.  
  4562. 1015
  4563. 00:57:00,591 --> 00:57:03,357
  4564. My feeling is that if
  4565. you're not making mistakes,
  4566.  
  4567. 1016
  4568. 00:57:03,359 --> 00:57:07,164
  4569. then you're not really attempting
  4570. to do anything of value.
  4571.  
  4572. 1017
  4573. 00:57:07,830 --> 00:57:10,098
  4574. So I think my patients are aware
  4575.  
  4576. 1018
  4577. 00:57:10,100 --> 00:57:12,169
  4578. that I'm doing my
  4579. very best by them.
  4580.  
  4581. 1019
  4582. 00:57:12,970 --> 00:57:16,506
  4583. I provide the standard of care
  4584.  
  4585. 1020
  4586. 00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:21,178
  4587. for them that I would
  4588. want for my own daughter.
  4589.  
  4590. 1021
  4591. 00:57:22,479 --> 00:57:24,613
  4592. Dr. Gosnell's
  4593. considered by authorities
  4594.  
  4595. 1022
  4596. 00:57:24,615 --> 00:57:26,013
  4597. to be a flight risk.
  4598.  
  4599. 1023
  4600. 00:57:26,015 --> 00:57:27,649
  4601. Currently, he's being
  4602. held without bail
  4603.  
  4604. 1024
  4605. 00:57:27,651 --> 00:57:29,654
  4606. in the Philadelphia County Jail.
  4607.  
  4608. 1025
  4609. 00:57:31,089 --> 00:57:32,854
  4610. Dr. North, can
  4611. you tell the jury
  4612.  
  4613. 1026
  4614. 00:57:32,856 --> 00:57:35,089
  4615. why you decided
  4616. to testify today?
  4617.  
  4618. 1027
  4619. 00:57:35,091 --> 00:57:37,392
  4620. I didn't want anyone to
  4621. think that Dr. Gosnell's clinic
  4622.  
  4623. 1028
  4624. 00:57:37,394 --> 00:57:40,261
  4625. represents what women's
  4626. clinics are really like.
  4627.  
  4628. 1029
  4629. 00:57:40,263 --> 00:57:43,031
  4630. Do you ever
  4631. perform non-emergency
  4632.  
  4633. 1030
  4634. 00:57:43,033 --> 00:57:45,466
  4635. pregnancy terminations
  4636. after 24 weeks?
  4637.  
  4638. 1031
  4639. 00:57:45,468 --> 00:57:47,002
  4640. No, never.
  4641.  
  4642. 1032
  4643. 00:57:47,004 --> 00:57:49,004
  4644. Always we stop at 20 weeks.
  4645.  
  4646. 1033
  4647. 00:57:49,006 --> 00:57:52,174
  4648. Do you reuse instruments
  4649. on different patients
  4650.  
  4651. 1034
  4652. 00:57:52,176 --> 00:57:53,676
  4653. that haven't been sterilized?
  4654.  
  4655. 1035
  4656. 00:57:53,678 --> 00:57:54,979
  4657. No, never.
  4658.  
  4659. 1036
  4660. 00:57:56,080 --> 00:57:58,779
  4661. Do you ever allow
  4662. untrained personnel
  4663.  
  4664. 1037
  4665. 00:57:58,781 --> 00:58:01,716
  4666. to say, administer anesthesia?
  4667.  
  4668. 1038
  4669. 00:58:01,718 --> 00:58:03,084
  4670. No.
  4671.  
  4672. 1039
  4673. 00:58:03,086 --> 00:58:05,287
  4674. Everyone in our office
  4675. is a registered nurse
  4676.  
  4677. 1040
  4678. 00:58:05,289 --> 00:58:07,892
  4679. and I administer the
  4680. anesthesia myself.
  4681.  
  4682. 1041
  4683. 00:58:09,459 --> 00:58:14,798
  4684. Dr. North, have you ever cut
  4685. a baby's spine with scissors?
  4686.  
  4687. 1042
  4688. 00:58:15,798 --> 00:58:18,167
  4689. No, we would not do that.
  4690.  
  4691. 1043
  4692. 00:58:18,169 --> 00:58:19,901
  4693. Do you know any
  4694. doctor that would?
  4695.  
  4696. 1044
  4697. 00:58:19,903 --> 00:58:20,937
  4698. No, I do not.
  4699.  
  4700. 1045
  4701. 00:58:21,906 --> 00:58:23,441
  4702. Thank you, no
  4703. further questions.
  4704.  
  4705. 1046
  4706. 00:58:27,010 --> 00:58:29,211
  4707. Dr. North,
  4708. how many abortions
  4709.  
  4710. 1047
  4711. 00:58:29,213 --> 00:58:32,046
  4712. would you say you've
  4713. performed in your career?
  4714.  
  4715. 1048
  4716. 00:58:32,048 --> 00:58:34,851
  4717. I have performed
  4718. over 30,000 abortions.
  4719.  
  4720. 1049
  4721. 00:58:35,653 --> 00:58:36,486
  4722. Wow.
  4723.  
  4724. 1050
  4725. 00:58:37,687 --> 00:58:41,223
  4726. In the second trimester, what
  4727. method of abortion do you use?
  4728.  
  4729. 1051
  4730. 00:58:41,225 --> 00:58:44,158
  4731. Mostly D&E, dilation
  4732. and evacuation.
  4733.  
  4734. 1052
  4735. 00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:45,060
  4736. Yes.
  4737.  
  4738. 1053
  4739. 00:58:45,062 --> 00:58:47,029
  4740. Dilation is where you soften
  4741.  
  4742. 1054
  4743. 00:58:47,031 --> 00:58:50,131
  4744. and widen the woman's
  4745. cervix, correct?
  4746.  
  4747. 1055
  4748. 00:58:50,133 --> 00:58:51,700
  4749. That is correct.
  4750.  
  4751. 1056
  4752. 00:58:51,702 --> 00:58:53,401
  4753. Once the fetus grows
  4754. larger, it's very important
  4755.  
  4756. 1057
  4757. 00:58:53,403 --> 00:58:55,837
  4758. that we do that to
  4759. prevent the cervix
  4760.  
  4761. 1058
  4762. 00:58:55,839 --> 00:58:58,207
  4763. from tearing as the
  4764. fetus is removed.
  4765.  
  4766. 1059
  4767. 00:58:58,209 --> 00:59:00,843
  4768. And then you
  4769. evacuate the fetus.
  4770.  
  4771. 1060
  4772. 00:59:00,845 --> 00:59:02,678
  4773. You remove it from the womb.
  4774.  
  4775. 1061
  4776. 00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:04,279
  4777. Yes.
  4778.  
  4779. 1062
  4780. 00:59:04,281 --> 00:59:06,548
  4781. But first, we have to make sure
  4782. that it's not a live birth.
  4783.  
  4784. 1063
  4785. 00:59:06,550 --> 00:59:09,951
  4786. Oh, of course, of
  4787. course, how do you do that?
  4788.  
  4789. 1064
  4790. 00:59:09,953 --> 00:59:11,787
  4791. Well, we inject
  4792. potassium chloride
  4793.  
  4794. 1065
  4795. 00:59:11,789 --> 00:59:14,223
  4796. into the heart of the fetus.
  4797.  
  4798. 1066
  4799. 00:59:14,225 --> 00:59:15,059
  4800. Hmm.
  4801.  
  4802. 1067
  4803. 00:59:17,995 --> 00:59:20,064
  4804. With one of these, correct?
  4805.  
  4806. 1068
  4807. 00:59:22,133 --> 00:59:22,966
  4808. Yes.
  4809.  
  4810. 1069
  4811. 00:59:25,336 --> 00:59:28,535
  4812. Your Honor, I'd like to
  4813. introduce defense exhibit 1A
  4814.  
  4815. 1070
  4816. 00:59:28,537 --> 00:59:29,404
  4817. on the screen.
  4818.  
  4819. 1071
  4820. 00:59:29,406 --> 00:59:30,138
  4821. May I publish?
  4822.  
  4823. 1072
  4824. 00:59:30,140 --> 00:59:31,274
  4825. You may publish.
  4826.  
  4827. 1073
  4828. 00:59:34,278 --> 00:59:39,450
  4829. Now, this is a sonogram
  4830. of a 23-week-old fetus.
  4831.  
  4832. 1074
  4833. 00:59:40,417 --> 00:59:42,283
  4834. And so when you
  4835. inject the fetus,
  4836.  
  4837. 1075
  4838. 00:59:42,285 --> 00:59:44,553
  4839. do you put the needle here?
  4840.  
  4841. 1076
  4842. 00:59:44,555 --> 00:59:45,423
  4843. No.
  4844.  
  4845. 1077
  4846. 00:59:47,457 --> 00:59:48,557
  4847. Here?
  4848.  
  4849. 1078
  4850. 00:59:48,559 --> 00:59:49,723
  4851. Yes.
  4852.  
  4853. 1079
  4854. 00:59:49,725 --> 00:59:50,794
  4855. Right there.
  4856.  
  4857. 1080
  4858. 00:59:51,727 --> 00:59:53,162
  4859. And that stops the heart.
  4860.  
  4861. 1081
  4862. 00:59:53,164 --> 00:59:54,232
  4863. That's correct.
  4864.  
  4865. 1082
  4866. 00:59:56,732 --> 00:59:58,836
  4867. And then you use forceps.
  4868.  
  4869. 1083
  4870. 01:00:02,071 --> 01:00:04,372
  4871. You use these and
  4872. you reach up in there
  4873.  
  4874. 1084
  4875. 01:00:04,374 --> 01:00:08,377
  4876. and you grab ahold
  4877. of an arm or a leg
  4878.  
  4879. 1085
  4880. 01:00:08,379 --> 01:00:10,278
  4881. or whatever and you pull on it
  4882.  
  4883. 1086
  4884. 01:00:10,280 --> 01:00:14,515
  4885. until it comes out or
  4886. comes off, correct?
  4887.  
  4888. 1087
  4889. 01:00:14,517 --> 01:00:15,850
  4890. That's correct.
  4891.  
  4892. 1088
  4893. 01:00:15,852 --> 01:00:18,486
  4894. But with larger fetuses,
  4895. they remain intact.
  4896.  
  4897. 1089
  4898. 01:00:18,488 --> 01:00:20,756
  4899. Of course, because
  4900. the head's bigger.
  4901.  
  4902. 1090
  4903. 01:00:20,758 --> 01:00:22,890
  4904. Makes it more difficult.
  4905.  
  4906. 1091
  4907. 01:00:22,892 --> 01:00:24,493
  4908. What do you do then?
  4909.  
  4910. 1092
  4911. 01:00:24,495 --> 01:00:27,162
  4912. We use a machine to
  4913. suction out the gray matter.
  4914.  
  4915. 1093
  4916. 01:00:27,164 --> 01:00:29,430
  4917. The gray matter, the brains.
  4918.  
  4919. 1094
  4920. 01:00:29,432 --> 01:00:32,700
  4921. So, you suction out the
  4922. brains and then what happens?
  4923.  
  4924. 1095
  4925. 01:00:32,702 --> 01:00:36,671
  4926. Then the skull collapses
  4927. and the fetus can be removed.
  4928.  
  4929. 1096
  4930. 01:00:36,673 --> 01:00:37,541
  4931. Right.
  4932.  
  4933. 1097
  4934. 01:00:41,011 --> 01:00:42,644
  4935. Now, isn't it true
  4936. that sometimes,
  4937.  
  4938. 1098
  4939. 01:00:42,646 --> 01:00:45,513
  4940. in order to get the suction
  4941. machine into the fetus,
  4942.  
  4943. 1099
  4944. 01:00:45,515 --> 01:00:47,214
  4945. you have to use a
  4946. pair of scissors
  4947.  
  4948. 1100
  4949. 01:00:47,216 --> 01:00:49,854
  4950. to make a hole in
  4951. the back of the neck?
  4952.  
  4953. 1101
  4954. 01:00:51,220 --> 01:00:52,988
  4955. Sometimes this happens, yes.
  4956.  
  4957. 1102
  4958. 01:00:52,990 --> 01:00:55,557
  4959. So before, when you said
  4960. that you'd never cut the neck
  4961.  
  4962. 1103
  4963. 01:00:55,559 --> 01:00:56,926
  4964. of a fetus...
  4965.  
  4966. 1104
  4967. 01:00:56,928 --> 01:00:58,325
  4968. I was referring
  4969. to a live birth.
  4970.  
  4971. 1105
  4972. 01:00:58,327 --> 01:00:59,227
  4973. Oh.
  4974.  
  4975. 1106
  4976. 01:00:59,229 --> 01:01:01,231
  4977. Oh, okay, yeah, I get it now.
  4978.  
  4979. 1107
  4980. 01:01:03,300 --> 01:01:04,667
  4981. Have you ever had a live birth
  4982.  
  4983. 1108
  4984. 01:01:04,669 --> 01:01:06,267
  4985. during an abortion
  4986. attempt, doctor?
  4987.  
  4988. 1109
  4989. 01:01:06,269 --> 01:01:08,337
  4990. No, I have not,
  4991. because we listen
  4992.  
  4993. 1110
  4994. 01:01:08,339 --> 01:01:11,973
  4995. to the sonogram to ensure that
  4996. the fetal heart has stopped.
  4997.  
  4998. 1111
  4999. 01:01:11,975 --> 01:01:13,408
  5000. Well, what if
  5001. you made a mistake?
  5002.  
  5003. 1112
  5004. 01:01:13,410 --> 01:01:14,209
  5005. We don't.
  5006.  
  5007. 1113
  5008. 01:01:14,211 --> 01:01:15,642
  5009. Well, what if you did?
  5010.  
  5011. 1114
  5012. 01:01:15,644 --> 01:01:17,145
  5013. Objection,
  5014. hypothetical, Your Honor.
  5015.  
  5016. 1115
  5017. 01:01:17,147 --> 01:01:18,913
  5018. Your Honor, she's
  5019. a medical expert.
  5020.  
  5021. 1116
  5022. 01:01:18,915 --> 01:01:20,948
  5023. I'd like to have her opinion.
  5024.  
  5025. 1117
  5026. 01:01:20,950 --> 01:01:22,783
  5027. Overruled.
  5028.  
  5029. 1118
  5030. 01:01:22,785 --> 01:01:24,086
  5031. I'm going to allow the question,
  5032.  
  5033. 1119
  5034. 01:01:24,088 --> 01:01:26,022
  5035. but stay on point, counselor.
  5036.  
  5037. 1120
  5038. 01:01:27,490 --> 01:01:29,156
  5039. What would you do
  5040. if the baby was out
  5041.  
  5042. 1121
  5043. 01:01:29,158 --> 01:01:30,528
  5044. and it was breathing?
  5045.  
  5046. 1122
  5047. 01:01:31,961 --> 01:01:35,796
  5048. We would issue comfort care.
  5049.  
  5050. 1123
  5051. 01:01:35,798 --> 01:01:37,232
  5052. Comfort care.
  5053.  
  5054. 1124
  5055. 01:01:37,234 --> 01:01:39,103
  5056. Can you define that for us?
  5057.  
  5058. 1125
  5059. 01:01:40,236 --> 01:01:43,441
  5060. That's keeping the fetus
  5061. warm and comfortable.
  5062.  
  5063. 1126
  5064. 01:01:44,240 --> 01:01:45,609
  5065. Eventually, it will pass.
  5066.  
  5067. 1127
  5068. 01:01:46,776 --> 01:01:49,079
  5069. Eventually, it would pass.
  5070.  
  5071. 1128
  5072. 01:01:53,182 --> 01:01:54,484
  5073. So basically, you'd,
  5074.  
  5075. 1129
  5076. 01:01:57,120 --> 01:01:58,356
  5077. you'd let it die.
  5078.  
  5079. 1130
  5080. 01:02:05,428 --> 01:02:06,962
  5081. Seems like it'd be more humane
  5082.  
  5083. 1131
  5084. 01:02:06,964 --> 01:02:08,162
  5085. to just take a
  5086. pair of scissors...
  5087.  
  5088. 1132
  5089. 01:02:08,164 --> 01:02:09,765
  5090. Objection!
  5091.  
  5092. 1133
  5093. 01:02:09,767 --> 01:02:12,336
  5094. Withdraw the
  5095. question, Your Honor.
  5096.  
  5097. 1134
  5098. 01:02:53,176 --> 01:02:54,776
  5099. Yashoda, you were there
  5100.  
  5101. 1135
  5102. 01:02:54,778 --> 01:02:57,845
  5103. on the night your mother,
  5104. Karnamaya Mongar died.
  5105.  
  5106. 1136
  5107. 01:02:57,847 --> 01:02:59,446
  5108. Yes.
  5109.  
  5110. 1137
  5111. 01:02:59,448 --> 01:03:01,049
  5112. I went with her to clinic
  5113. and I walked down hall
  5114.  
  5115. 1138
  5116. 01:03:01,051 --> 01:03:02,651
  5117. with her to see doctor.
  5118.  
  5119. 1139
  5120. 01:03:04,354 --> 01:03:06,321
  5121. No, no, no, no!
  5122.  
  5123. 1140
  5124. 01:03:06,323 --> 01:03:07,955
  5125. Just put
  5126. her on the table.
  5127.  
  5128. 1141
  5129. 01:03:07,957 --> 01:03:09,457
  5130. Doctor, doctor!
  5131.  
  5132. 1142
  5133. 01:03:09,459 --> 01:03:11,292
  5134. - No, no.
  5135. - Just take these.
  5136.  
  5137. 1143
  5138. 01:03:11,294 --> 01:03:12,593
  5139. - Please, Mama.
  5140. - You need to take
  5141.  
  5142. 1144
  5143. 01:03:12,595 --> 01:03:13,729
  5144. - these right now.
  5145. - You're gonna have to
  5146.  
  5147. 1145
  5148. 01:03:13,731 --> 01:03:14,796
  5149. wait in the other room.
  5150.  
  5151. 1146
  5152. 01:03:15,598 --> 01:03:16,531
  5153. Call doctor.
  5154.  
  5155. 1147
  5156. 01:03:19,269 --> 01:03:21,069
  5157. I called doctor 'cause
  5158. I didn't think Lydia
  5159.  
  5160. 1148
  5161. 01:03:21,071 --> 01:03:22,171
  5162. knew what she was doing,
  5163.  
  5164. 1149
  5165. 01:03:22,173 --> 01:03:23,504
  5166. and Ms. Mongar was putting up
  5167.  
  5168. 1150
  5169. 01:03:23,506 --> 01:03:25,339
  5170. - such a fuss.
  5171. - Oh ladies.
  5172.  
  5173. 1151
  5174. 01:03:25,341 --> 01:03:26,876
  5175. Well, med her up.
  5176.  
  5177. 1152
  5178. 01:03:28,077 --> 01:03:30,611
  5179. When he said "med her up,"
  5180. did you know what he meant?
  5181.  
  5182. 1153
  5183. 01:03:30,613 --> 01:03:31,745
  5184. Yeah.
  5185.  
  5186. 1154
  5187. 01:03:31,747 --> 01:03:33,647
  5188. He liked using Demerol
  5189. 'cause it was cheap
  5190.  
  5191. 1155
  5192. 01:03:33,649 --> 01:03:35,049
  5193. and it worked fast.
  5194.  
  5195. 1156
  5196. 01:03:35,051 --> 01:03:38,454
  5197. Give her some intravenously
  5198. until she calms down.
  5199.  
  5200. 1157
  5201. 01:03:39,388 --> 01:03:43,727
  5202. I'll be there presently.
  5203.  
  5204. 1158
  5205. 01:03:53,437 --> 01:03:55,406
  5206. I seen doctor come in
  5207.  
  5208. 1159
  5209. 01:03:58,508 --> 01:04:00,774
  5210. and I knew he was
  5211. there for Mama,
  5212.  
  5213. 1160
  5214. 01:04:00,776 --> 01:04:03,780
  5215. but he stop at the
  5216. desk a long time.
  5217.  
  5218. 1161
  5219. 01:04:07,151 --> 01:04:09,685
  5220. Finally, he went
  5221. downstairs and I thought
  5222.  
  5223. 1162
  5224. 01:04:09,687 --> 01:04:12,757
  5225. I was supposed to
  5226. wait, so I did.
  5227.  
  5228. 1163
  5229. 01:04:18,260 --> 01:04:20,995
  5230. Well,
  5231. that ought to do it.
  5232.  
  5233. 1164
  5234. 01:04:20,997 --> 01:04:22,732
  5235. Let's get her into recovery.
  5236.  
  5237. 1165
  5238. 01:04:23,633 --> 01:04:25,133
  5239. Doctor, she
  5240. don't look so good.
  5241.  
  5242. 1166
  5243. 01:04:25,135 --> 01:04:26,504
  5244. She's a funny color.
  5245.  
  5246. 1167
  5247. 01:04:35,211 --> 01:04:36,245
  5248. Oh my.
  5249.  
  5250. 1168
  5251. 01:04:37,247 --> 01:04:38,312
  5252. Doctor went and
  5253. got the crash cart
  5254.  
  5255. 1169
  5256. 01:04:38,314 --> 01:04:39,881
  5257. from up on the third floor.
  5258.  
  5259. 1170
  5260. 01:04:39,883 --> 01:04:42,417
  5261. We tried to use the paddles
  5262. but they were broke.
  5263.  
  5264. 1171
  5265. 01:04:42,419 --> 01:04:44,453
  5266. Then he just sort of stopped.
  5267.  
  5268. 1172
  5269. 01:04:44,455 --> 01:04:49,160
  5270. I'm just thrilled that we
  5271. kept this cart up to date.
  5272.  
  5273. 1173
  5274. 01:04:51,694 --> 01:04:52,562
  5275. Hello?
  5276.  
  5277. 1174
  5278. 01:04:53,497 --> 01:04:54,365
  5279. Hello?
  5280.  
  5281. 1175
  5282. 01:04:56,732 --> 01:04:59,433
  5283. I couldn't wait anymore,
  5284. so I ran down there,
  5285.  
  5286. 1176
  5287. 01:04:59,435 --> 01:05:00,805
  5288. make them let me in.
  5289.  
  5290. 1177
  5291. 01:05:04,573 --> 01:05:08,042
  5292. Lydia, plug in that
  5293. oximeter in there.
  5294.  
  5295. 1178
  5296. 01:05:08,044 --> 01:05:09,276
  5297. That oximeter don't work.
  5298.  
  5299. 1179
  5300. 01:05:09,278 --> 01:05:10,481
  5301. Plug it in anyway!
  5302.  
  5303. 1180
  5304. 01:05:12,314 --> 01:05:15,183
  5305. And throw all that
  5306. expired medicine away.
  5307.  
  5308. 1181
  5309. 01:05:15,185 --> 01:05:16,286
  5310. Okay.
  5311.  
  5312. 1182
  5313. 01:05:17,187 --> 01:05:19,522
  5314. And make sure we clean
  5315. up the floor there.
  5316.  
  5317. 1183
  5318. 01:05:20,758 --> 01:05:23,560
  5319. We only get one chance to
  5320. make a first impression.
  5321.  
  5322. 1184
  5323. 01:05:31,635 --> 01:05:34,336
  5324. And when you got
  5325. in, how was your mother?
  5326.  
  5327. 1185
  5328. 01:05:34,338 --> 01:05:37,839
  5329. She, she, she was out.
  5330.  
  5331. 1186
  5332. 01:05:37,841 --> 01:05:39,510
  5333. She never woke up again.
  5334.  
  5335. 1187
  5336. 01:05:44,247 --> 01:05:46,247
  5337. We took her to the hospital,
  5338.  
  5339. 1188
  5340. 01:05:46,249 --> 01:05:48,886
  5341. but she died the next day.
  5342.  
  5343. 1189
  5344. 01:05:51,955 --> 01:05:55,522
  5345. To your best recollection,
  5346. how long was it
  5347.  
  5348. 1190
  5349. 01:05:55,524 --> 01:05:58,459
  5350. from the time you saw your
  5351. mother was unconscious
  5352.  
  5353. 1191
  5354. 01:05:58,461 --> 01:06:00,463
  5355. until she was put
  5356. in the ambulance?
  5357.  
  5358. 1192
  5359. 01:06:01,531 --> 01:06:05,870
  5360. I think maybe one,
  5361. maybe one and a half hour.
  5362.  
  5363. 1193
  5364. 01:06:07,636 --> 01:06:09,506
  5365. No more questions, Your Honor.
  5366.  
  5367. 1194
  5368. 01:06:17,214 --> 01:06:20,615
  5369. Ms. Mongar, I cannot
  5370. imagine what a painful time
  5371.  
  5372. 1195
  5373. 01:06:20,617 --> 01:06:22,283
  5374. that must have been for
  5375. you and your family.
  5376.  
  5377. 1196
  5378. 01:06:22,285 --> 01:06:25,222
  5379. I'm deeply sorry for your loss.
  5380.  
  5381. 1197
  5382. 01:06:27,022 --> 01:06:31,459
  5383. Can you tell us why your
  5384. mother was seeking an abortion?
  5385.  
  5386. 1198
  5387. 01:06:31,461 --> 01:06:33,361
  5388. We just moved to America.
  5389.  
  5390. 1199
  5391. 01:06:33,363 --> 01:06:36,932
  5392. We had refugee food
  5393. stamps running out
  5394.  
  5395. 1200
  5396. 01:06:36,934 --> 01:06:40,370
  5397. and my mother saying
  5398. no work with baby.
  5399.  
  5400. 1201
  5401. 01:06:41,472 --> 01:06:43,807
  5402. Did you want your mother
  5403. to have an abortion?
  5404.  
  5405. 1202
  5406. 01:06:46,176 --> 01:06:47,044
  5407. No.
  5408.  
  5409. 1203
  5410. 01:06:48,211 --> 01:06:50,377
  5411. Did you tell your mother
  5412. that you didn't want her
  5413.  
  5414. 1204
  5415. 01:06:50,379 --> 01:06:51,582
  5416. to have an abortion?
  5417.  
  5418. 1205
  5419. 01:06:57,588 --> 01:06:58,689
  5420. Yes.
  5421.  
  5422. 1206
  5423. 01:07:02,892 --> 01:07:05,325
  5424. Did your mother go
  5425. to any other clinics
  5426.  
  5427. 1207
  5428. 01:07:05,327 --> 01:07:07,397
  5429. before she came to Dr. Gosnell?
  5430.  
  5431. 1208
  5432. 01:07:10,066 --> 01:07:11,299
  5433. Yes.
  5434.  
  5435. 1209
  5436. 01:07:11,301 --> 01:07:12,801
  5437. And what did they say?
  5438.  
  5439. 1210
  5440. 01:07:12,803 --> 01:07:14,738
  5441. Why didn't she
  5442. have it done there?
  5443.  
  5444. 1211
  5445. 01:07:15,839 --> 01:07:19,908
  5446. The first say too
  5447. late, past 14 weeks,
  5448.  
  5449. 1212
  5450. 01:07:19,910 --> 01:07:22,410
  5451. others say too risky.
  5452.  
  5453. 1213
  5454. 01:07:22,412 --> 01:07:23,480
  5455. Too risky.
  5456.  
  5457. 1214
  5458. 01:07:24,546 --> 01:07:26,249
  5459. They said it was too risky?
  5460.  
  5461. 1215
  5462. 01:07:27,984 --> 01:07:29,319
  5463. Yes.
  5464.  
  5465. 1216
  5466. 01:07:33,189 --> 01:07:35,589
  5467. Ms. Mongar, do
  5468. you recall a letter
  5469.  
  5470. 1217
  5471. 01:07:35,591 --> 01:07:37,760
  5472. that Dr. Gosnell
  5473. wrote your family?
  5474.  
  5475. 1218
  5476. 01:07:38,727 --> 01:07:41,932
  5477. Yes, my uncle read it to me.
  5478.  
  5479. 1219
  5480. 01:07:44,334 --> 01:07:45,969
  5481. Do you remember this section?
  5482.  
  5483. 1220
  5484. 01:07:47,102 --> 01:07:49,669
  5485. One moment I feel confident
  5486. that I did everything possible.
  5487.  
  5488. 1221
  5489. 01:07:49,671 --> 01:07:52,140
  5490. In the next, I'm very down.
  5491.  
  5492. 1222
  5493. 01:07:52,142 --> 01:07:53,774
  5494. I'm not a wealthy individual.
  5495.  
  5496. 1223
  5497. 01:07:53,776 --> 01:07:56,345
  5498. My lower fees are a reflection
  5499. of what my neighbors
  5500.  
  5501. 1224
  5502. 01:07:56,347 --> 01:07:58,446
  5503. can afford, but
  5504. please let me know
  5505.  
  5506. 1225
  5507. 01:07:58,448 --> 01:08:02,786
  5508. if there is any way that I
  5509. can compensate for your loss.
  5510.  
  5511. 1226
  5512. 01:08:05,354 --> 01:08:06,687
  5513. Do you remember that?
  5514.  
  5515. 1227
  5516. 01:08:06,689 --> 01:08:08,189
  5517. Yes.
  5518.  
  5519. 1228
  5520. 01:08:08,191 --> 01:08:11,392
  5521. Does that sorrowful letter
  5522. sound like it was written
  5523.  
  5524. 1229
  5525. 01:08:11,394 --> 01:08:12,394
  5526. by a murderer?
  5527.  
  5528. 1230
  5529. 01:08:12,396 --> 01:08:13,595
  5530. Objection.
  5531.  
  5532. 1231
  5533. 01:08:13,597 --> 01:08:14,761
  5534. Sustained.
  5535.  
  5536. 1232
  5537. 01:08:14,763 --> 01:08:16,831
  5538. Nothing further, Your Honor.
  5539.  
  5540. 1233
  5541. 01:08:24,307 --> 01:08:25,639
  5542. You guys are getting
  5543. killed in there.
  5544.  
  5545. 1234
  5546. 01:08:25,641 --> 01:08:27,075
  5547. You're a ray of sunshine.
  5548.  
  5549. 1235
  5550. 01:08:27,077 --> 01:08:29,042
  5551. Ever interview a girl
  5552. named Betty Goodwin?
  5553.  
  5554. 1236
  5555. 01:08:29,044 --> 01:08:30,511
  5556. I told you, I don't
  5557. talk to reporters.
  5558.  
  5559. 1237
  5560. 01:08:30,513 --> 01:08:32,412
  5561. Have you checked
  5562. out her photo blog?
  5563.  
  5564. 1238
  5565. 01:08:32,414 --> 01:08:33,484
  5566. Her what?
  5567.  
  5568. 1239
  5569. 01:08:34,383 --> 01:08:35,716
  5570. Betty's a bit of a shutterbug.
  5571.  
  5572. 1240
  5573. 01:08:35,718 --> 01:08:37,417
  5574. She takes pictures
  5575. of everything.
  5576.  
  5577. 1241
  5578. 01:08:37,419 --> 01:08:39,353
  5579. I guarantee you she'd have
  5580. some shots inside the clinic.
  5581.  
  5582. 1242
  5583. 01:08:39,355 --> 01:08:41,790
  5584. I'll send you the link, maybe
  5585. your kid can open it for you.
  5586.  
  5587. 1243
  5588. 01:08:41,792 --> 01:08:43,256
  5589. Don't you need
  5590. my email address?
  5591.  
  5592. 1244
  5593. 01:08:43,258 --> 01:08:45,259
  5594. No, I have it, Detective.
  5595.  
  5596. 1245
  5597. 01:08:59,208 --> 01:09:00,841
  5598. Before we resume testimony,
  5599.  
  5600. 1246
  5601. 01:09:00,843 --> 01:09:02,676
  5602. let's do a little housekeeping.
  5603.  
  5604. 1247
  5605. 01:09:02,678 --> 01:09:04,912
  5606. Is tomorrow the day when
  5607. the jury is scheduled
  5608.  
  5609. 1248
  5610. 01:09:04,914 --> 01:09:06,947
  5611. to visit the women's
  5612. clinic, Mrs. McGuire?
  5613.  
  5614. 1249
  5615. 01:09:06,949 --> 01:09:08,950
  5616. Your Honor, it has
  5617. come to our attention
  5618.  
  5619. 1250
  5620. 01:09:08,952 --> 01:09:11,819
  5621. that there has been an
  5622. incident at the clinic.
  5623.  
  5624. 1251
  5625. 01:09:11,821 --> 01:09:14,622
  5626. Apparently a pipe burst
  5627. and the conditions
  5628.  
  5629. 1252
  5630. 01:09:14,624 --> 01:09:17,157
  5631. are not safe for
  5632. the jury to visit.
  5633.  
  5634. 1253
  5635. 01:09:18,695 --> 01:09:21,228
  5636. We'll remove that
  5637. from the schedule.
  5638.  
  5639. 1254
  5640. 01:09:21,230 --> 01:09:25,866
  5641. Also, the court has reached a
  5642. decision regarding the motion
  5643.  
  5644. 1255
  5645. 01:09:25,868 --> 01:09:28,202
  5646. by the defense to
  5647. dismiss charges regarding
  5648.  
  5649. 1256
  5650. 01:09:28,204 --> 01:09:30,805
  5651. to Baby B, Baby F, and Baby G
  5652.  
  5653. 1257
  5654. 01:09:30,807 --> 01:09:33,274
  5655. for insufficient
  5656. physical evidence.
  5657.  
  5658. 1258
  5659. 01:09:33,276 --> 01:09:35,443
  5660. The court grants this motion.
  5661.  
  5662. 1259
  5663. 01:09:35,445 --> 01:09:38,446
  5664. Jury is instructed to
  5665. disregard any evidence
  5666.  
  5667. 1260
  5668. 01:09:38,448 --> 01:09:41,050
  5669. heretofore presented
  5670. regarding those matters.
  5671.  
  5672. 1261
  5673. 01:09:41,985 --> 01:09:44,719
  5674. Cohan's got the jury
  5675. thinking that Gosnell's
  5676.  
  5677. 1262
  5678. 01:09:44,721 --> 01:09:47,755
  5679. just an ordinary abortion
  5680. doctor who cut some corners
  5681.  
  5682. 1263
  5683. 01:09:47,757 --> 01:09:50,125
  5684. to provide services
  5685. to poor black women.
  5686.  
  5687. 1264
  5688. 01:09:50,127 --> 01:09:52,995
  5689. Now we can't even bring
  5690. the jury to that hellhole.
  5691.  
  5692. 1265
  5693. 01:09:54,129 --> 01:09:56,831
  5694. Well, we're gonna bring
  5695. that hellhole to them.
  5696.  
  5697. 1266
  5698. 01:09:56,833 --> 01:09:59,033
  5699. Your Honor, may it please
  5700. the court, the prosecution
  5701.  
  5702. 1267
  5703. 01:09:59,035 --> 01:10:01,937
  5704. would like permission to
  5705. publish previously admitted
  5706.  
  5707. 1268
  5708. 01:10:01,939 --> 01:10:04,872
  5709. exhibits six, seven,
  5710. eight, and nine.
  5711.  
  5712. 1269
  5713. 01:10:04,874 --> 01:10:07,875
  5714. These are items salvaged
  5715. from the Gosnell clinic
  5716.  
  5717. 1270
  5718. 01:10:07,877 --> 01:10:10,213
  5719. after the damage caused
  5720. by the broken pipe.
  5721.  
  5722. 1271
  5723. 01:10:11,114 --> 01:10:13,548
  5724. Exhibit six is a
  5725. gynecological chair
  5726.  
  5727. 1272
  5728. 01:10:13,550 --> 01:10:15,849
  5729. taken from the second
  5730. procedure room.
  5731.  
  5732. 1273
  5733. 01:10:15,851 --> 01:10:20,054
  5734. Exhibit seven is the waste
  5735. disposal unit from the kitchen.
  5736.  
  5737. 1274
  5738. 01:10:20,056 --> 01:10:22,793
  5739. Exhibit eight is a
  5740. broken pulse oximeter.
  5741.  
  5742. 1275
  5743. 01:10:23,959 --> 01:10:25,395
  5744. Exhibit nine...
  5745.  
  5746. 1276
  5747. 01:10:31,168 --> 01:10:32,169
  5748. Excuse me.
  5749.  
  5750. 1277
  5751. 01:11:01,797 --> 01:11:03,499
  5752. You're welcome.
  5753.  
  5754. 1278
  5755. 01:11:23,253 --> 01:11:24,318
  5756. Can I
  5757. quote you on that?
  5758.  
  5759. 1279
  5760. 01:11:24,320 --> 01:11:25,189
  5761. Yes.
  5762.  
  5763. 1280
  5764. 01:11:26,655 --> 01:11:28,421
  5765. What happened?
  5766.  
  5767. 1281
  5768. 01:11:28,423 --> 01:11:30,461
  5769. We made the papers.
  5770.  
  5771. 1282
  5772. 01:11:35,265 --> 01:11:36,499
  5773. All rise.
  5774.  
  5775. 1283
  5776. 01:11:43,472 --> 01:11:44,540
  5777. Be seated.
  5778.  
  5779. 1284
  5780. 01:11:48,144 --> 01:11:50,812
  5781. The jury will notice there is
  5782. an increased media presence
  5783.  
  5784. 1285
  5785. 01:11:50,814 --> 01:11:51,981
  5786. in the room today.
  5787.  
  5788. 1286
  5789. 01:11:52,915 --> 01:11:54,616
  5790. They are instructed
  5791. not to let that affect
  5792.  
  5793. 1287
  5794. 01:11:54,618 --> 01:11:56,687
  5795. their sense of the
  5796. case before them.
  5797.  
  5798. 1288
  5799. 01:11:59,555 --> 01:12:01,455
  5800. When a white woman would come,
  5801.  
  5802. 1289
  5803. 01:12:01,457 --> 01:12:03,858
  5804. she would get the room upstairs.
  5805.  
  5806. 1290
  5807. 01:12:03,860 --> 01:12:06,527
  5808. It was cleaner and more private.
  5809.  
  5810. 1291
  5811. 01:12:06,529 --> 01:12:08,996
  5812. Did you ever have a
  5813. conversation with Dr. Gosnell
  5814.  
  5815. 1292
  5816. 01:12:08,998 --> 01:12:12,300
  5817. about why his white patients
  5818. had a separate room?
  5819.  
  5820. 1293
  5821. 01:12:12,302 --> 01:12:14,868
  5822. He said that's just
  5823. the way of the world.
  5824.  
  5825. 1294
  5826. 01:12:14,870 --> 01:12:16,136
  5827. Who's a racist now?
  5828.  
  5829. 1295
  5830. 01:12:16,138 --> 01:12:19,640
  5831. Did you ever see
  5832. or hear a baby cry?
  5833.  
  5834. 1296
  5835. 01:12:19,642 --> 01:12:21,242
  5836. Yes.
  5837.  
  5838. 1297
  5839. 01:12:21,244 --> 01:12:23,580
  5840. This one time, me and
  5841. Betty was in the hallway.
  5842.  
  5843. 1298
  5844. 01:12:38,561 --> 01:12:40,027
  5845. Did you
  5846. tell the doctor?
  5847.  
  5848. 1299
  5849. 01:12:40,029 --> 01:12:41,763
  5850. He said not to worry about it.
  5851.  
  5852. 1300
  5853. 01:12:41,765 --> 01:12:43,563
  5854. That it happened all the time.
  5855.  
  5856. 1301
  5857. 01:12:43,565 --> 01:12:46,533
  5858. But about half the time, with
  5859. all the Cytotec we was giving,
  5860.  
  5861. 1302
  5862. 01:12:46,535 --> 01:12:49,437
  5863. the women would deliver before
  5864. the doctor could arrive.
  5865.  
  5866. 1303
  5867. 01:12:49,439 --> 01:12:52,340
  5868. You told us earlier
  5869. about the baby that you saw
  5870.  
  5871. 1304
  5872. 01:12:52,342 --> 01:12:53,942
  5873. swimming in the toilet.
  5874.  
  5875. 1305
  5876. 01:12:53,944 --> 01:12:56,743
  5877. Were there any other
  5878. babies that you can recall
  5879.  
  5880. 1306
  5881. 01:12:56,745 --> 01:12:58,679
  5882. that were moving or breathing?
  5883.  
  5884. 1307
  5885. 01:12:58,681 --> 01:13:00,615
  5886. Lydia had called
  5887. me over and told me,
  5888.  
  5889. 1308
  5890. 01:13:00,617 --> 01:13:02,050
  5891. "Come look at this one baby."
  5892.  
  5893. 1309
  5894. 01:13:02,052 --> 01:13:04,786
  5895. And I seen the baby's
  5896. chest going up and down.
  5897.  
  5898. 1310
  5899. 01:13:04,788 --> 01:13:06,920
  5900. Was anything else
  5901. on that baby moving?
  5902.  
  5903. 1311
  5904. 01:13:06,922 --> 01:13:08,923
  5905. Lydia had pulled the baby hand
  5906.  
  5907. 1312
  5908. 01:13:08,925 --> 01:13:10,894
  5909. and the baby pulled
  5910. his hand back.
  5911.  
  5912. 1313
  5913. 01:13:13,296 --> 01:13:14,664
  5914. No further questions.
  5915.  
  5916. 1314
  5917. 01:13:21,937 --> 01:13:23,306
  5918. Miss Strawberry.
  5919.  
  5920. 1315
  5921. 01:13:24,440 --> 01:13:26,907
  5922. So, you were there for the baby
  5923.  
  5924. 1316
  5925. 01:13:26,909 --> 01:13:28,710
  5926. that was swimming in the toilet.
  5927.  
  5928. 1317
  5929. 01:13:28,712 --> 01:13:30,277
  5930. Yes.
  5931.  
  5932. 1318
  5933. 01:13:30,279 --> 01:13:31,578
  5934. You were there the
  5935. night you heard the whine
  5936.  
  5937. 1319
  5938. 01:13:31,580 --> 01:13:33,413
  5939. you thought was a baby's cry.
  5940.  
  5941. 1320
  5942. 01:13:33,415 --> 01:13:34,782
  5943. Yes.
  5944.  
  5945. 1321
  5946. 01:13:34,784 --> 01:13:35,750
  5947. And you were there
  5948. when the baby breathed
  5949.  
  5950. 1322
  5951. 01:13:35,752 --> 01:13:37,218
  5952. and moved its arm?
  5953.  
  5954. 1323
  5955. 01:13:37,220 --> 01:13:38,352
  5956. Yes, I was.
  5957.  
  5958. 1324
  5959. 01:13:38,354 --> 01:13:40,487
  5960. Did you ever see the
  5961. movie Forrest Gump?
  5962.  
  5963. 1325
  5964. 01:13:40,489 --> 01:13:41,621
  5965. Objection.
  5966.  
  5967. 1326
  5968. 01:13:41,623 --> 01:13:42,693
  5969. I'll allow it.
  5970.  
  5971. 1327
  5972. 01:13:43,760 --> 01:13:45,425
  5973. Yeah, I saw it.
  5974.  
  5975. 1328
  5976. 01:13:45,427 --> 01:13:47,795
  5977. You remember how he was
  5978. at the JFK assassination,
  5979.  
  5980. 1329
  5981. 01:13:47,797 --> 01:13:50,098
  5982. he was at the I
  5983. Have a Dream speech.
  5984.  
  5985. 1330
  5986. 01:13:50,100 --> 01:13:54,367
  5987. Almost every event in American
  5988. history, he was there, right?
  5989.  
  5990. 1331
  5991. 01:13:54,369 --> 01:13:55,902
  5992. I don't know.
  5993.  
  5994. 1332
  5995. 01:13:55,904 --> 01:13:57,272
  5996. You're just like
  5997. Forrest Gump, aren't you?
  5998.  
  5999. 1333
  6000. 01:13:57,274 --> 01:13:58,406
  6001. You're just everywhere.
  6002.  
  6003. 1334
  6004. 01:13:58,408 --> 01:13:59,540
  6005. Objection, Your Honor,
  6006.  
  6007. 1335
  6008. 01:13:59,542 --> 01:14:00,642
  6009. this is ridiculous.
  6010.  
  6011. 1336
  6012. 01:14:00,644 --> 01:14:02,242
  6013. Sustained.
  6014.  
  6015. 1337
  6016. 01:14:02,244 --> 01:14:04,978
  6017. Over time, didn't your
  6018. personal relationship
  6019.  
  6020. 1338
  6021. 01:14:04,980 --> 01:14:06,880
  6022. with Dr. Gosnell
  6023. begin to deteriorate?
  6024.  
  6025. 1339
  6026. 01:14:06,882 --> 01:14:08,349
  6027. It was never personal.
  6028.  
  6029. 1340
  6030. 01:14:08,351 --> 01:14:11,118
  6031. Did you say in your
  6032. grand jury testimony,
  6033.  
  6034. 1341
  6035. 01:14:11,120 --> 01:14:13,920
  6036. "He started hollering at
  6037. me like he was my dad.
  6038.  
  6039. 1342
  6040. 01:14:13,922 --> 01:14:15,290
  6041. "I didn't like it."
  6042.  
  6043. 1343
  6044. 01:14:15,292 --> 01:14:16,189
  6045. Did you say that?
  6046.  
  6047. 1344
  6048. 01:14:16,191 --> 01:14:17,291
  6049. Yes.
  6050.  
  6051. 1345
  6052. 01:14:17,293 --> 01:14:18,792
  6053. Then why did you
  6054. continue to work there?
  6055.  
  6056. 1346
  6057. 01:14:18,794 --> 01:14:20,428
  6058. Because I had a
  6059. family to take care of.
  6060.  
  6061. 1347
  6062. 01:14:20,430 --> 01:14:23,063
  6063. Or because Dr. Gosnell
  6064. was paying you good money,
  6065.  
  6066. 1348
  6067. 01:14:23,065 --> 01:14:24,831
  6068. or maybe because you
  6069. had a little something
  6070.  
  6071. 1349
  6072. 01:14:24,833 --> 01:14:25,832
  6073. going on the side.
  6074.  
  6075. 1350
  6076. 01:14:27,537 --> 01:14:30,004
  6077. A lot of the employees at
  6078. that clinic have been arrested
  6079.  
  6080. 1351
  6081. 01:14:30,006 --> 01:14:32,340
  6082. on drug trafficking
  6083. charges, why haven't you?
  6084.  
  6085. 1352
  6086. 01:14:32,342 --> 01:14:33,541
  6087. Objection!
  6088.  
  6089. 1353
  6090. 01:14:33,543 --> 01:14:34,908
  6091. Isn't it true that you
  6092. made a deal with the DA
  6093.  
  6094. 1354
  6095. 01:14:34,910 --> 01:14:36,143
  6096. to avoid prosecution?
  6097.  
  6098. 1355
  6099. 01:14:36,145 --> 01:14:37,745
  6100. Objection!
  6101.  
  6102. 1356
  6103. 01:14:37,747 --> 01:14:39,380
  6104. Given your personal
  6105. animosity for Dr. Gosnell,
  6106.  
  6107. 1357
  6108. 01:14:39,382 --> 01:14:40,948
  6109. why should we believe
  6110. anything you have to say
  6111.  
  6112. 1358
  6113. 01:14:40,950 --> 01:14:42,215
  6114. - in this courtroom today?
  6115. - Your Honor, please!
  6116.  
  6117. 1359
  6118. 01:14:42,886 --> 01:14:43,787
  6119. Mr. Cohan!
  6120.  
  6121. 1360
  6122. 01:14:44,854 --> 01:14:47,554
  6123. Mr. Cohan, I warn you, further
  6124. outbursts of that nature
  6125.  
  6126. 1361
  6127. 01:14:47,556 --> 01:14:50,357
  6128. will result in a formal
  6129. admonition by the court.
  6130.  
  6131. 1362
  6132. 01:14:50,359 --> 01:14:53,627
  6133. You do not have the right to
  6134. continue to shout questions
  6135.  
  6136. 1363
  6137. 01:14:53,629 --> 01:14:55,662
  6138. before I have ruled
  6139. on an objection.
  6140.  
  6141. 1364
  6142. 01:15:00,703 --> 01:15:02,305
  6143. Nothing further, Your Honor.
  6144.  
  6145. 1365
  6146. 01:15:11,346 --> 01:15:12,679
  6147. And, I know you think
  6148. she gonna talk to me
  6149.  
  6150. 1366
  6151. 01:15:12,681 --> 01:15:14,349
  6152. just 'cause I'm black.
  6153.  
  6154. 1367
  6155. 01:15:14,351 --> 01:15:15,916
  6156. I'm still police though.
  6157.  
  6158. 1368
  6159. 01:15:15,918 --> 01:15:17,685
  6160. I think she's gonna talk to
  6161. you because you're Mr. Smooth,
  6162.  
  6163. 1369
  6164. 01:15:17,687 --> 01:15:19,252
  6165. Mr. Handsome, you
  6166. got that deep voice.
  6167.  
  6168. 1370
  6169. 01:15:19,254 --> 01:15:20,787
  6170. Yeah, man, I'm sure that
  6171. gets you excited and everything
  6172.  
  6173. 1371
  6174. 01:15:20,789 --> 01:15:23,023
  6175. but I don't know if
  6176. it's gonna work on her.
  6177.  
  6178. 1372
  6179. 01:15:23,025 --> 01:15:24,961
  6180. Hey, hey, Betty,
  6181. how you doing?
  6182.  
  6183. 1373
  6184. 01:15:25,895 --> 01:15:27,261
  6185. My mom said I'm not
  6186. supposed to talk to you.
  6187.  
  6188. 1374
  6189. 01:15:27,263 --> 01:15:28,795
  6190. You trying to put
  6191. us all in jail.
  6192.  
  6193. 1375
  6194. 01:15:28,797 --> 01:15:30,464
  6195. No, no, Betty, we're
  6196. not even after you.
  6197.  
  6198. 1376
  6199. 01:15:30,466 --> 01:15:32,032
  6200. The thing is that you're
  6201. gonna testify tomorrow...
  6202.  
  6203. 1377
  6204. 01:15:32,034 --> 01:15:33,434
  6205. There's a thing called
  6206. obstruction of justice
  6207.  
  6208. 1378
  6209. 01:15:33,436 --> 01:15:34,868
  6210. so if there's
  6211. information you have...
  6212.  
  6213. 1379
  6214. 01:15:34,870 --> 01:15:36,002
  6215. Would you shut up
  6216. for five seconds?
  6217.  
  6218. 1380
  6219. 01:15:36,004 --> 01:15:37,239
  6220. Look, I told you everything.
  6221.  
  6222. 1381
  6223. 01:15:38,540 --> 01:15:39,540
  6224. I can't talk to you.
  6225.  
  6226. 1382
  6227. 01:15:44,580 --> 01:15:46,147
  6228. That went well.
  6229.  
  6230. 1383
  6231. 01:15:46,149 --> 01:15:48,349
  6232. I thought you wanted the
  6233. black guy to do all the talking.
  6234.  
  6235. 1384
  6236. 01:16:27,189 --> 01:16:30,127
  6237. This is the baby I saw moving.
  6238.  
  6239. 1385
  6240. 01:17:07,396 --> 01:17:08,929
  6241. Lex, I need to talk to you.
  6242.  
  6243. 1386
  6244. 01:17:08,931 --> 01:17:09,897
  6245. Are you kidding me?
  6246.  
  6247. 1387
  6248. 01:17:09,899 --> 01:17:10,965
  6249. I'm sorry.
  6250.  
  6251. 1388
  6252. 01:17:10,967 --> 01:17:11,831
  6253. Our daughter is playing.
  6254.  
  6255. 1389
  6256. 01:17:11,833 --> 01:17:13,500
  6257. I'm really sorry.
  6258.  
  6259. 1390
  6260. 01:17:13,502 --> 01:17:14,167
  6261. Just one second.
  6262.  
  6263. 1391
  6264. 01:17:14,169 --> 01:17:16,006
  6265. I'll be right back.
  6266.  
  6267. 1392
  6268. 01:17:17,839 --> 01:17:19,575
  6269. I'm sorry.
  6270.  
  6271. 1393
  6272. 01:17:22,378 --> 01:17:24,377
  6273. Woody, my daughter is next.
  6274.  
  6275. 1394
  6276. 01:17:24,379 --> 01:17:25,144
  6277. Got it.
  6278.  
  6279. 1395
  6280. 01:17:25,146 --> 01:17:26,283
  6281. You need to see this.
  6282.  
  6283. 1396
  6284. 01:17:31,020 --> 01:17:33,187
  6285. Betty took that picture
  6286. inside the clinic.
  6287.  
  6288. 1397
  6289. 01:17:33,189 --> 01:17:34,721
  6290. Baby Boy A was alive.
  6291.  
  6292. 1398
  6293. 01:17:46,802 --> 01:17:47,868
  6294. This is what we wanted.
  6295.  
  6296. 1399
  6297. 01:18:02,150 --> 01:18:04,018
  6298. Everything all right?
  6299.  
  6300. 1400
  6301. 01:18:23,772 --> 01:18:26,107
  6302. Ms. Goodwin, how
  6303. many times did you see babies
  6304.  
  6305. 1401
  6306. 01:18:26,109 --> 01:18:29,643
  6307. that were breathing,
  6308. crying, chest moving,
  6309.  
  6310. 1402
  6311. 01:18:29,645 --> 01:18:31,312
  6312. anything like that?
  6313.  
  6314. 1403
  6315. 01:18:31,314 --> 01:18:33,581
  6316. How many times would you
  6317. say you personally saw that?
  6318.  
  6319. 1404
  6320. 01:18:33,583 --> 01:18:35,515
  6321. More than 10 times.
  6322.  
  6323. 1405
  6324. 01:18:35,517 --> 01:18:38,853
  6325. And what, if anything,
  6326. did Dr. Gosnell
  6327.  
  6328. 1406
  6329. 01:18:38,855 --> 01:18:40,621
  6330. do to those babies?
  6331.  
  6332. 1407
  6333. 01:18:40,623 --> 01:18:44,060
  6334. He would take scissors
  6335. and snip the neck.
  6336.  
  6337. 1408
  6338. 01:18:45,461 --> 01:18:49,863
  6339. Do you remember a specific
  6340. baby that he did this to?
  6341.  
  6342. 1409
  6343. 01:18:49,865 --> 01:18:51,130
  6344. Yes.
  6345.  
  6346. 1410
  6347. 01:18:52,400 --> 01:18:54,637
  6348. For the record,
  6349. this is Baby Boy A.
  6350.  
  6351. 1411
  6352. 01:18:57,673 --> 01:19:00,840
  6353. And were you there on
  6354. the night that Baby Boy A
  6355.  
  6356. 1412
  6357. 01:19:00,842 --> 01:19:02,609
  6358. was born alive?
  6359.  
  6360. 1413
  6361. 01:19:02,611 --> 01:19:03,876
  6362. Yeah.
  6363.  
  6364. 1414
  6365. 01:19:03,878 --> 01:19:04,980
  6366. Me and Allison.
  6367.  
  6368. 1415
  6369. 01:19:21,064 --> 01:19:22,365
  6370. Well, well.
  6371.  
  6372. 1416
  6373. 01:19:23,499 --> 01:19:27,270
  6374. This baby is big enough to
  6375. walk me to the bus stop.
  6376.  
  6377. 1417
  6378. 01:19:41,450 --> 01:19:44,585
  6379. He put the baby in a tray.
  6380.  
  6381. 1418
  6382. 01:19:44,587 --> 01:19:48,656
  6383. But when the baby was in
  6384. the tray, the baby moved.
  6385.  
  6386. 1419
  6387. 01:19:48,658 --> 01:19:50,694
  6388. It kind of curled up.
  6389.  
  6390. 1420
  6391. 01:19:52,762 --> 01:19:55,362
  6392. After Dr. Gosnell put the
  6393. baby in the surgical tray,
  6394.  
  6395. 1421
  6396. 01:19:55,364 --> 01:19:57,130
  6397. what did he do next?
  6398.  
  6399. 1422
  6400. 01:19:57,132 --> 01:20:01,170
  6401. He put the tray back on the
  6402. shelf with the other ones.
  6403.  
  6404. 1423
  6405. 01:20:01,937 --> 01:20:03,203
  6406. The other ones?
  6407.  
  6408. 1424
  6409. 01:20:03,205 --> 01:20:05,005
  6410. There were other
  6411. babies on the shelf?
  6412.  
  6413. 1425
  6414. 01:20:05,007 --> 01:20:06,075
  6415. Yes, ma'am.
  6416.  
  6417. 1426
  6418. 01:20:14,216 --> 01:20:15,452
  6419. Counselor?
  6420.  
  6421. 1427
  6422. 01:20:21,923 --> 01:20:23,925
  6423. Betty, you like to
  6424. take pictures, don't you?
  6425.  
  6426. 1428
  6427. 01:20:23,927 --> 01:20:25,158
  6428. Yes, ma'am.
  6429.  
  6430. 1429
  6431. 01:20:25,160 --> 01:20:26,794
  6432. You take a lot
  6433. of pictures, right?
  6434.  
  6435. 1430
  6436. 01:20:26,796 --> 01:20:28,261
  6437. Pictures of your meals,
  6438. pictures of things you see
  6439.  
  6440. 1431
  6441. 01:20:28,263 --> 01:20:30,096
  6442. on the street, pictures
  6443. of your friends?
  6444.  
  6445. 1432
  6446. 01:20:30,098 --> 01:20:31,832
  6447. Yes.
  6448.  
  6449. 1433
  6450. 01:20:31,834 --> 01:20:34,337
  6451. Did you ever take a picture
  6452. inside Dr. Gosnell's clinic?
  6453.  
  6454. 1434
  6455. 01:20:35,037 --> 01:20:36,804
  6456. Yes.
  6457.  
  6458. 1435
  6459. 01:20:36,806 --> 01:20:38,639
  6460. On that particular night, do
  6461. you remember taking a picture
  6462.  
  6463. 1436
  6464. 01:20:38,641 --> 01:20:41,207
  6465. of Baby Boy A, the baby
  6466. you saw Dr. Gosnell
  6467.  
  6468. 1437
  6469. 01:20:41,209 --> 01:20:42,242
  6470. put up on that shelf?
  6471.  
  6472. 1438
  6473. 01:20:42,244 --> 01:20:43,678
  6474. Objection.
  6475.  
  6476. 1439
  6477. 01:20:43,680 --> 01:20:44,547
  6478. Overruled.
  6479.  
  6480. 1440
  6481. 01:20:45,981 --> 01:20:47,948
  6482. The witness may answer.
  6483.  
  6484. 1441
  6485. 01:20:47,950 --> 01:20:49,383
  6486. Yes, ma'am.
  6487.  
  6488. 1442
  6489. 01:20:49,385 --> 01:20:51,117
  6490. Your Honor, in light
  6491. of this new evidence,
  6492.  
  6493. 1443
  6494. 01:20:51,119 --> 01:20:52,987
  6495. we would like to be
  6496. granted the opportunity
  6497.  
  6498. 1444
  6499. 01:20:52,989 --> 01:20:53,920
  6500. to publish this photograph...
  6501.  
  6502. 1445
  6503. 01:20:53,922 --> 01:20:55,255
  6504. Objection, Your Honor,
  6505.  
  6506. 1446
  6507. 01:20:55,257 --> 01:20:56,490
  6508. - this is outrageous!
  6509. - People's exhibit C...
  6510.  
  6511. 1447
  6512. 01:20:56,492 --> 01:20:58,126
  6513. This was not presented
  6514. in discovery!
  6515.  
  6516. 1448
  6517. 01:20:58,128 --> 01:20:59,594
  6518. Exhibit C-5.
  6519.  
  6520. 1449
  6521. 01:20:59,596 --> 01:21:01,295
  6522. Order, this come
  6523. will come to order!
  6524.  
  6525. 1450
  6526. 01:21:01,297 --> 01:21:02,862
  6527. I declare a short recess.
  6528.  
  6529. 1451
  6530. 01:21:02,864 --> 01:21:05,866
  6531. I wanna see both counsels
  6532. in my chambers now!
  6533.  
  6534. 1452
  6535. 01:21:27,856 --> 01:21:29,121
  6536. Your Honor,
  6537. may the Commonwealth
  6538.  
  6539. 1453
  6540. 01:21:29,123 --> 01:21:31,023
  6541. publish the exhibit to the jury?
  6542.  
  6543. 1454
  6544. 01:21:31,025 --> 01:21:32,461
  6545. You may publish.
  6546.  
  6547. 1455
  6548. 01:21:33,361 --> 01:21:34,694
  6549. Ladies and
  6550. gentlemen of the jury,
  6551.  
  6552. 1456
  6553. 01:21:34,696 --> 01:21:36,596
  6554. this is the photograph
  6555. that Betty Goodwin
  6556.  
  6557. 1457
  6558. 01:21:36,598 --> 01:21:40,503
  6559. took of Baby Boy A on
  6560. the night of July 12th.
  6561.  
  6562. 1458
  6563. 01:23:27,508 --> 01:23:29,878
  6564. Betty, is this the
  6565. photograph that you took?
  6566.  
  6567. 1459
  6568. 01:23:33,082 --> 01:23:34,380
  6569. Yes.
  6570.  
  6571. 1460
  6572. 01:23:34,382 --> 01:23:36,452
  6573. I just have one
  6574. last question for you.
  6575.  
  6576. 1461
  6577. 01:23:37,986 --> 01:23:40,554
  6578. Why did you decide
  6579. to take a photograph
  6580.  
  6581. 1462
  6582. 01:23:40,556 --> 01:23:42,492
  6583. of this particular baby?
  6584.  
  6585. 1463
  6586. 01:23:43,391 --> 01:23:44,925
  6587. He was so big.
  6588.  
  6589. 1464
  6590. 01:23:46,928 --> 01:23:49,932
  6591. He looked like he could have
  6592. been somebody's little brother.
  6593.  
  6594. 1465
  6595. 01:23:51,668 --> 01:23:54,571
  6596. I just thought that there
  6597. should be a picture of him,
  6598.  
  6599. 1466
  6600. 01:23:56,372 --> 01:23:58,874
  6601. to show that he was
  6602. here for a little while.
  6603.  
  6604. 1467
  6605. 01:24:02,110 --> 01:24:03,810
  6606. The Commonwealth
  6607. wants you to look
  6608.  
  6609. 1468
  6610. 01:24:03,812 --> 01:24:05,979
  6611. at a hole in a dirty chair
  6612.  
  6613. 1469
  6614. 01:24:05,981 --> 01:24:09,250
  6615. and say that means that
  6616. that man is a monster.
  6617.  
  6618. 1470
  6619. 01:24:09,252 --> 01:24:10,550
  6620. It wants you to believe
  6621. somebody who says,
  6622.  
  6623. 1471
  6624. 01:24:10,552 --> 01:24:12,853
  6625. "Oh, I think that
  6626. baby moved its arm,"
  6627.  
  6628. 1472
  6629. 01:24:12,855 --> 01:24:15,456
  6630. and that means that
  6631. that man is a killer.
  6632.  
  6633. 1473
  6634. 01:24:15,458 --> 01:24:17,860
  6635. It's laughable,
  6636. ladies and gentlemen.
  6637.  
  6638. 1474
  6639. 01:24:19,093 --> 01:24:21,761
  6640. You are not here to
  6641. decide whether or not
  6642.  
  6643. 1475
  6644. 01:24:21,763 --> 01:24:25,031
  6645. Dr. Gosnell ran the cleanest
  6646. clinic in Pennsylvania.
  6647.  
  6648. 1476
  6649. 01:24:25,033 --> 01:24:26,332
  6650. He did not.
  6651.  
  6652. 1477
  6653. 01:24:26,334 --> 01:24:27,768
  6654. We are not here to
  6655. determine whether or not
  6656.  
  6657. 1478
  6658. 01:24:27,770 --> 01:24:30,103
  6659. abortion is a horrible,
  6660. terrible thing
  6661.  
  6662. 1479
  6663. 01:24:30,105 --> 01:24:31,741
  6664. to have to look at, it is.
  6665.  
  6666. 1480
  6667. 01:24:32,574 --> 01:24:34,340
  6668. We are here to
  6669. determine whether or not
  6670.  
  6671. 1481
  6672. 01:24:34,342 --> 01:24:36,710
  6673. the Commonwealth of
  6674. Pennsylvania has proved
  6675.  
  6676. 1482
  6677. 01:24:36,712 --> 01:24:39,412
  6678. that this fine man, who
  6679. has served his community
  6680.  
  6681. 1483
  6682. 01:24:39,414 --> 01:24:42,351
  6683. for 30 years,
  6684. providing services...
  6685.  
  6686. 1484
  6687. 01:25:15,851 --> 01:25:21,056
  6688. Ladies and gentlemen, Kermit
  6689. Gosnell snipped the spine
  6690.  
  6691. 1485
  6692. 01:25:21,556 --> 01:25:22,658
  6693. of this baby
  6694.  
  6695. 1486
  6696. 01:25:24,260 --> 01:25:26,425
  6697. and hundreds, maybe
  6698. even thousands
  6699.  
  6700. 1487
  6701. 01:25:26,427 --> 01:25:28,897
  6702. of other babies just like him,
  6703.  
  6704. 1488
  6705. 01:25:29,832 --> 01:25:32,769
  6706. born alive and then killed.
  6707.  
  6708. 1489
  6709. 01:25:34,770 --> 01:25:36,939
  6710. Yes, he did some
  6711. legal abortions.
  6712.  
  6713. 1490
  6714. 01:25:37,672 --> 01:25:39,907
  6715. Yes, his clinic was filthy.
  6716.  
  6717. 1491
  6718. 01:25:39,909 --> 01:25:43,513
  6719. Yes, he had separate rooms for
  6720. white women and black women.
  6721.  
  6722. 1492
  6723. 01:25:45,580 --> 01:25:47,516
  6724. But, this case is
  6725. not about that.
  6726.  
  6727. 1493
  6728. 01:25:48,450 --> 01:25:51,084
  6729. This case is about
  6730. Karnamaya Mongar.
  6731.  
  6732. 1494
  6733. 01:25:51,086 --> 01:25:56,324
  6734. This case is about that baby
  6735. and countless other babies
  6736.  
  6737. 1495
  6738. 01:25:57,426 --> 01:26:00,029
  6739. that Dr. Gosnell murdered
  6740. after they were born.
  6741.  
  6742. 1496
  6743. 01:26:04,098 --> 01:26:06,535
  6744. This baby would be
  6745. four years old today.
  6746.  
  6747. 1497
  6748. 01:26:36,531 --> 01:26:37,699
  6749. Okay, thanks.
  6750.  
  6751. 1498
  6752. 01:26:47,409 --> 01:26:50,445
  6753. Will the defendant and
  6754. the attorneys please rise?
  6755.  
  6756. 1499
  6757. 01:26:52,413 --> 01:26:55,749
  6758. Mr. Foreman, have the
  6759. jurors reached a verdict?
  6760.  
  6761. 1500
  6762. 01:26:55,751 --> 01:26:57,587
  6763. Yes, Your Honor, we have.
  6764.  
  6765. 1501
  6766. 01:26:58,854 --> 01:27:00,519
  6767. To the charge of
  6768. criminal homicide
  6769.  
  6770. 1502
  6771. 01:27:00,521 --> 01:27:03,057
  6772. in the death of
  6773. Baby E, how say you?
  6774.  
  6775. 1503
  6776. 01:27:03,059 --> 01:27:04,092
  6777. Not guilty.
  6778.  
  6779. 1504
  6780. 01:27:04,994 --> 01:27:06,760
  6781. What?
  6782.  
  6783. 1505
  6784. 01:27:06,762 --> 01:27:07,827
  6785. On the charge of murder
  6786. in the third degree,
  6787.  
  6788. 1506
  6789. 01:27:07,829 --> 01:27:09,599
  6790. victim Mongar, how say you?
  6791.  
  6792. 1507
  6793. 01:27:10,399 --> 01:27:11,700
  6794. Not guilty.
  6795.  
  6796. 1508
  6797. 01:27:14,869 --> 01:27:16,469
  6798. To the charge of
  6799. first degree murder,
  6800.  
  6801. 1509
  6802. 01:27:16,471 --> 01:27:18,574
  6803. Baby A, how say you?
  6804.  
  6805. 1510
  6806. 01:27:20,508 --> 01:27:21,876
  6807. Guilty.
  6808.  
  6809. 1511
  6810. 01:27:24,879 --> 01:27:28,618
  6811. To the charge of first degree
  6812. murder, Baby C, how say you?
  6813.  
  6814. 1512
  6815. 01:27:29,251 --> 01:27:30,153
  6816. Guilty.
  6817.  
  6818. 1513
  6819. 01:27:32,454 --> 01:27:36,523
  6820. To the charge of first degree
  6821. murder, Baby D, how say you?
  6822.  
  6823. 1514
  6824. 01:27:36,525 --> 01:27:37,724
  6825. Guilty.
  6826.  
  6827. 1515
  6828. 01:27:40,628 --> 01:27:42,062
  6829. Order!
  6830.  
  6831. 1516
  6832. 01:27:44,266 --> 01:27:45,902
  6833. Order in the court.
  6834.  
  6835. 1517
  6836. 01:27:47,269 --> 01:27:48,137
  6837. Order!
  6838.  
  6839. 1518
  6840. 01:28:08,524 --> 01:28:11,191
  6841. But this was
  6842. not a case about abortion.
  6843.  
  6844. 1519
  6845. 01:28:11,193 --> 01:28:13,260
  6846. In the end, this was
  6847. not a case about abortion,
  6848.  
  6849. 1520
  6850. 01:28:13,262 --> 01:28:14,894
  6851. this was a case about a doctor...
  6852.  
  6853. 1521
  6854. 01:28:14,896 --> 01:28:16,296
  6855. What did I tell you?
  6856.  
  6857. 1522
  6858. 01:28:16,298 --> 01:28:18,633
  6859. This is not a case
  6860. about abortion.
  6861.  
  6862. 1523
  6863. 01:28:19,534 --> 01:28:21,503
  6864. Now I'm gonna do you a solid.
  6865.  
  6866. 1524
  6867. 01:28:22,904 --> 01:28:25,005
  6868. Anyone from the media
  6869. that would like to speak
  6870.  
  6871. 1525
  6872. 01:28:25,007 --> 01:28:27,643
  6873. to the DA's office,
  6874. please gather round.
  6875.  
  6876. 1526
  6877. 01:28:29,645 --> 01:28:32,178
  6878. The Commonwealth would
  6879. like to thank the jury
  6880.  
  6881. 1527
  6882. 01:28:32,180 --> 01:28:33,313
  6883. for their hard work.
  6884.  
  6885. 1528
  6886. 01:28:33,315 --> 01:28:34,247
  6887. Mollie.
  6888.  
  6889. 1529
  6890. 01:28:34,249 --> 01:28:35,447
  6891. Congratulations.
  6892.  
  6893. 1530
  6894. 01:28:35,449 --> 01:28:36,817
  6895. Oh, I hate to admit this,
  6896.  
  6897. 1531
  6898. 01:28:36,819 --> 01:28:39,252
  6899. but we could not have
  6900. done this without you.
  6901.  
  6902. 1532
  6903. 01:28:39,254 --> 01:28:40,122
  6904. It's true.
  6905.  
  6906. 1533
  6907. 01:28:41,323 --> 01:28:42,755
  6908. Why did you help?
  6909.  
  6910. 1534
  6911. 01:28:42,757 --> 01:28:44,624
  6912. I didn't help, I'm a reporter.
  6913.  
  6914. 1535
  6915. 01:28:44,626 --> 01:28:46,359
  6916. I'm just interested
  6917. in the truth.
  6918.  
  6919. 1536
  6920. 01:28:46,361 --> 01:28:48,327
  6921. If the truth doesn't
  6922. match what I believe,
  6923.  
  6924. 1537
  6925. 01:28:48,329 --> 01:28:50,063
  6926. I don't change the truth.
  6927.  
  6928. 1538
  6929. 01:28:50,065 --> 01:28:50,967
  6930. See you around.
  6931.  
  6932. 1539
  6933. 01:28:52,400 --> 01:28:55,102
  6934. Well, fellas, I
  6935. have five kids to feed.
  6936.  
  6937. 1540
  6938. 01:28:55,104 --> 01:28:56,071
  6939. See you tomorrow.
  6940.  
  6941. 1541
  6942. 01:28:59,641 --> 01:29:01,140
  6943. There we go.
  6944.  
  6945. 1542
  6946. 01:29:01,142 --> 01:29:02,843
  6947. You ready to ride
  6948. off into the sunset?
  6949.  
  6950. 1543
  6951. 01:29:02,845 --> 01:29:04,814
  6952. Yeah, right.
  6953.  
  6954. 1544
  6955. 01:29:11,486 --> 01:29:12,654
  6956. Excuse me!
  6957.  
  6958. 1545
  6959. 01:29:13,855 --> 01:29:15,321
  6960. Ms. McGuire.
  6961.  
  6962. 1546
  6963. 01:29:15,323 --> 01:29:16,258
  6964. You remember me?
  6965.  
  6966. 1547
  6967. 01:29:17,159 --> 01:29:20,059
  6968. Of course, Ms. Brown,
  6969. from the grand jury.
  6970.  
  6971. 1548
  6972. 01:29:20,061 --> 01:29:22,562
  6973. I have somebody
  6974. I'd like you to meet.
  6975.  
  6976. 1549
  6977. 01:29:22,564 --> 01:29:23,798
  6978. This is Gracie.
  6979.  
  6980. 1550
  6981. 01:29:24,999 --> 01:29:27,002
  6982. My baby started
  6983. kindergarten today.
  6984.  
  6985. 1551
  6986. 01:29:33,309 --> 01:29:35,241
  6987. Hi, Gracie!
  6988.  
  6989. 1552
  6990. 01:29:35,243 --> 01:29:36,509
  6991. Hi.
  6992.  
  6993. 1553
  6994. 01:29:36,511 --> 01:29:37,580
  6995. I'm Lexi!
  6996.  
  6997. 1554
  6998. 01:29:38,379 --> 01:29:40,315
  6999. It's so nice to meet you.
  7000.  
  7001. 1555
  7002. 01:33:03,918 --> 01:33:08,918
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