Hyht (1): You around?
M374L: pon league with justin
Hyht (1): So..
Hyht (1): We kinda dick moved
M374L: how so
Hyht (1): The guild is smaller then it once was
M374L: People quit? or what
Hyht (1): Yep
M374L: namely?
Hyht (1): Like... Half the raiders
Hyht (1): Bam, Ren, Karo, Coolwhip, Ivarious and myself
Hyht (1): Woodzie
M374L: uh
M374L: why?
Hyht (1): Because we were not happy with how things where going
Hyht (1): So... we left
M374L: Taht doesn't make sense considering you were the ones running it
Hyht (1): Eh..
Hyht (1): Basically Karo and I were done with the guild as it was
Hyht (1): And... most the guild followed
Hyht (1): Im not trying to be a dick
Hyht (1): Wanted to just dip out and not cause issues
M374L: I'm still confused. Again you were the guys mainly running it
M374L: and what was not to like?
M374L: Just curious
Hyht (1): I dont like wiping on shit we shouldnt
Hyht (1): Because people 1) Dont know how to play the game
Hyht (1): Or 2) Dont put the time and effort into gettin gear
Hyht (1): Example : I went from 365 to 378 last week
Hyht (1): And im now 383
Hyht (1): And I dont like Lily
Hyht (1): So that doesnt help
M374L: So is it, you left to exclude me? Or what? I hadn't heard anything which only leaves to to feel like this wasn't just something everyone decided
Hyht (1): Well
Hyht (1): Last week I was pretty pissed off with how shitty it went
Hyht (1): This week was about the same
Hyht (1): We did WORSE on the boss then last week
Hyht (1): With bad attitudes to boot
Hyht (1): I said this before and I will say it again
Hyht (1): I came back to kill Deathwing
Hyht (1): The group we had wasnt going to get it done
Hyht (1): So im moving to a group that can
Hyht (1): And Ivarious and Karo agreed and moved with me
M374L: So I'm excluded now? Or what?
Hyht (1): If you would like to join us you are more then welcome to come over
M374L: I only came back to WoW to play with you guys.
Hyht (1): But there is a different level of commitment we are going to be putting forward
M374L: But, it's lookingl ike I've wasted my time.
Hyht (1): Well how it felt to me is
Hyht (1): I waisted my time getting my priest up
Hyht (1): To only have us wipe
Hyht (1): And have people play half assed
Hyht (1): Then bitch when we dont do well
Hyht (1): Or get pissy when we call out who fucked up
M374L: Who was bitching? cause as far as I could tell everyone was fine knowing that it was progression
Hyht (1): Lily has about the worst fucking attitude ive ever seen
M374L: She hasn't even had a bad attitude...
Hyht (1): That might be your opinion
Hyht (1): But it is not the opinion of the group
Hyht (1): I like you dude
Hyht (1): I really like you
Hyht (1): But im done with failing over and over because of people who arent doing well
Hyht (1): I dont like Lily's attitude
Hyht (1): I dont like Justin's fail
Hyht (1): He bounded the ball twice
Hyht (1): When we told him to move
Hyht (1): Its just a cluster fuck
Hyht (1): An entire cluster fuck
Hyht (1): Our healers in general are completely under geared
Hyht (1): And its very appartent
M374L: Maybe on raid heals, but we didn't have a single wipe because I couldn't keep tanks up.
Hyht (1): This is true
M374L: You're talking about people with piss poor attitudes dude, but you're not so different yourself with the way everyone went about this progression business.
Hyht (1): On DPS we have 2 people doing over 20k consistantly
Hyht (1): Myself and Karo
Hyht (1): Thats unacceptable
Hyht (1): My attitude?
M374L: Just the whole talking about progresison thing and then all of a sudden getting incredibly upset about it
Hyht (1): Progression?
Hyht (1): What progression?
Hyht (1): You mean doing worse then last week?
Hyht (1): which was 6 hours of wiping on a boss we should have downed when we figured out the mechanics
M374L: Jesus christ Hyht, we got the other boss down.
M374L: Yeah remember when we wiped for 5 hours straight on putricide?
Hyht (1): 5 bosses in?
Hyht (1): Sure did
Hyht (1): And we got better each time?
Hyht (1): I remember that too
Hyht (1): I also remember today people not moving
Hyht (1): not fucking going to their reset positions
Hyht (1): Thats raiding 101
M374L: Jesus hyht, don't fucking unload on me.
Hyht (1): Im not
Hyht (1): Im telling you how it is
Hyht (1): Im not mad at you
M374L: So is it you karo collin ren and bam? cause two out of those 5 are problematic.
Hyht (1): Ren is a big problem
Hyht (1): And he will not be raiding with us till he fixes his dps
Hyht (1): Bam has been steadily getting better at tanking
Hyht (1): I agree, he needs to get better
Hyht (1): However, he also has been getting better each season
M374L: Well, good luck to you. I'm upset for obvious reasons but it's whatever. Now I don't have obligations to force myself to play WoW anymore. I feel kind of screwed over by friends. Like this is a big fuck you to my face.  Enjoy raiding.
Hyht (1): Its not like that at all
Hyht (1): If you would like to join us
Hyht (1): We would be more then happy for you to come over
Hyht (1): But understand shit is going to be a little different
Hyht (1): As in, we have set goals and we try and meet them, and weak links are cast aside or replaced
M374L: If I can't play with my old friends then I'm not itnerested. I might play to play with some other casual friends, but I don't care for raiding. I've got more important things that I need to focus on.
Hyht (1): And I will not play with Lily or her friends
M374L: I assumed as much. You'd think it'd be understandable for her to be upset just as much as you are about raiding. I think you targetting her is a bit unecessary. But just throw the blame around. I'm defending her cause she's my friend and I don't let my friends talk bad about other friends.
Hyht (1): You need to understand
Hyht (1): Not once did I say anything out of malice
Hyht (1): Im just stating the facts as I see them
M374L: It seems like the opposite.
Hyht (1): Im fact orientated
Hyht (1): Everything I have said has been backed up with reasons I think that way
M374L: You're targetting her "poor attitude" like her and justin specifically when there's far worse in the group.
M374L: Yeah, I know how you think, I'm the same way.
Hyht (1): Justin is actually quite nice
Hyht (1): And I like him alot
Hyht (1): He needs help with his raid mechanics...
Hyht (1): Alot
Hyht (1): But otherwise I like him alot
Hyht (1): However..
M374L: He bounced it like twice. There's been worse fuck ups.
Hyht (1): He and Lily are a package deal and I understand that
Hyht (1): Lily has always been the one to say negative things first
Hyht (1): She bitches at Karo all the time
Hyht (1): Which I dont like very much
Hyht (1): She never wishes to continue with the raid
Hyht (1): Which I dont like
Hyht (1): She get extremely grumpy in the past when Karo and I start out DPS wars
Hyht (1): our^
Hyht (1): She can not take critizism well
M374L: I haven't seen any of that.
Hyht (1): She gets frustrated extremely easily ie: Doesnt want to do DS anymore yet wanted to do Firelands because its easier
M374L: Well it would have geared people. Everyone said no purely because it was old content.
Hyht (1): These are things that more then myself have noticed
Hyht (1): No
Hyht (1): It would have been a waste of time
Hyht (1): If you need gear, get in heroics
M374L: Valor and 378 gear? Yeah ok.
Hyht (1): They drop the same level of gear at a faster rate
Hyht (1): I would rate you farm out 10 heroics in the time it takes us to figure out and down 2-3 bosses
M374L: Would also help with raid xp. Working as a group.
Hyht (1): Same gear... faster
Hyht (1): Im not here to teach people the game :p
Hyht (1): If people need their hand held on what not to stand in and how to move... they need to find a different place to do that
Hyht (1): Because its not near my side
M374L: It's whatever man. It's over with. I don't want to be upset with you anymore than I am already. I just feel fucked.
Hyht (1): As I said before and say again
Hyht (1): This move was nothing against you
Hyht (1): Or you as a player
Hyht (1): If you wish to join us
Hyht (1): You have an open invite
M374L: I know. Can't helpm it though, especially when there was no preivous mention other than us just talking about the guild and improvments.
Hyht (1): And it wasnt like this was planned :p
Hyht (1): Karo and I talked about it and decided the best option for us was to leave
M374L: Also "we left get used to it" doesn't exactly leave a good taste in my mouth either.
Hyht (1): Its a joke lol
Hyht (1): We are here
Hyht (1): We are queer
Hyht (1): Get used to it?
M374L: Not the time for funnies, old buddy.
Hyht (1): Eh... tried to be nice about it I guess
M374L: I still want to be friends don't get me wrong.
Hyht (1): Sorry if it was given the wrong way
Hyht (1): We better be friends!
Hyht (1): I like you alot dude :P
Hyht (1): You have an open invitiation on my couch
Hyht (1): And I demand you come see Colorado :p
Hyht (1): Pali... if you want to play with us
Hyht (1): By all means
Hyht (1): Open arms dude
M374L: i sitll plan to come up and hang out. Eventually man.
Hyht (1): You and Vahloo, as long as Vahloo can get his dps up but... thats the expectation with everyone
M374L: I'm done raiding. If I play I'll probably pvp or something. Or just hang out
Hyht (1): Well I am sorry for how it happened
Hyht (1): Wasnt ment to cause harm or poor feelings
Hyht (1): Btw
Hyht (1): The name of our guild is my EvE Corps name
Hyht (1): So dont think its in spite of you guys either
Hyht (1): Just btw
Hyht (1): :p
Hyht (1): And as always my vent is your vent
M374L: What was it? Trustless?
Hyht (1): Yep
Hyht (1): In eve is "Trustless Inc"
M374L: Ah. You'll still see me around, don't worry about it.
Hyht (1): Alright then