Log #1

[19:00] <Chaser> ok ladies and gent, lets begin a meeting shall we?
[19:00] <Chitalian> AND START
[19:00] <@troisnyxetienne> It is midnight UTC.
[19:00] <Chaser> 7 EST
[19:00] <@troisnyxetienne> Yes.
[19:00] <Chitalian> Okay
[19:00] <Chainoffire> yep
[19:00] <HikariKH> Please
[19:00] <Chitalian> I remind you all of the agenda.
[19:00] <Dark-EnigmaXIII> Let's start
[19:00] <Darkheart3> sounds good
[19:00] <Chitalian> THE AGENDA
[19:00] <LightRoxas> yep
[19:00] <Chitalian> THE AGENDA
[19:00] <Chitalian>     The combining of Staffs
[19:00] <Chitalian>     Merging article content
[19:00] <Chitalian>         Includes the use of tabbed subpages
[19:00] <Chitalian>     Images and renders
[19:00] <Chitalian>     Fusing policies
[19:00] <Chitalian>     Template and other general issues regarding coding
[19:00] <Chitalian>         Includes Main Page revamp
[19:00] <Chitalian>     Combining Forums
[19:00] <Chitalian>     Walkthrough space
[19:00] <LegoAlchristmas> Yay I'm here
[19:00] <@troisnyxetienne> Alright.
[19:00] <LightRoxas> hi lego
[19:00] <Chitalian> I guess we talk about Staff first, then.
[19:00] <Chaser> lets start from the top: Staff
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[19:01] <Dark-EnigmaXIII> ShardofTruth, are you with us?
[19:01] <@ShardofTruth> yes
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[19:01] <Dark-EnigmaXIII> Just in time
[19:01] <Darkheart3> late
[19:01] <Chitalian> And, here's Inex.
[19:01] <Chitalian> So, Staff.
[19:01] <Chaser> by 1 min
[19:01] <Chitalian> There's two options: merge them together or pick a new one from scratch.
[19:01] <LegoAlchristmas> I vote merge.
[19:01] <Chainoffire> merge
[19:01] <LightRoxas> I vote pick new
[19:01] <@troisnyxetienne> I vote merge.
[19:02] <Infinitimas> merge.
[19:02] <MasterVantius> merge
[19:02] <HikariKH> Merge
[19:02] <RoxasXIIILK> merge
[19:02] <@maggosh> I vote merge.
[19:02] <Sox|Simba> merge them, there arent enough people to draw from, we'd just be reelecting the same people
[19:02] <Darkheart3> new, if we merge they'll be too many
[19:02] <The17master> Merge
[19:02] <@ShardofTruth> merge
[19:02] <Dark-EnigmaXIII> merge
[19:02] <KRCCFNF> I will be home in about twelve minutes... Im on my phone right now.
[19:02] <LegoAlchristmas> LightRoxas.
[19:02] <Chaser> bandwagin merge
[19:02] <Chaser> *bandwagon
[19:02] <Sora_> Picking new would surely mean dumping one yes?
[19:02] <LegoAlchristmas> THere is an overwhelming number against you.
[19:02] <Kyo|Razor> merge
[19:02] <Chainoffire> how many staff do we have from each site?
[19:02] <Chitalian> Wait, are we voting on this? :P
[19:02] <KRCCFNF> But you guys can start if you want
[19:02] <LightRoxas> i can yrll lol
[19:02] <@troisnyxetienne> Yes, Chitalian.
[19:02] <LegoAlchristmas> I would like to say thathis is unanimous.
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[19:02] <LegoAlchristmas> But why do you feel we should NOT merge?
[19:02] <Chitalian> I'd say pick new, but sure.
[19:02] <Dark-EnigmaXIII> merge of staff seems to be mostly wanted
[19:02] <LightRoxas> too many staffers
[19:02] <Sox|Simba> everyone who voted against merge, why?
[19:03] <Chaser> 6 active admin on .net and 3 admin on wikia
[19:03] <LegoAlchristmas> That's all?
[19:03] <LightRoxas> mostly, yes
[19:03] <Darkheart3> because, if we pick new, they'll be too many staff
[19:03] <Chitalian> Well, there's people on both sides who frankly don't deserve the position for the merged wiki.
[19:03] <Sora_> but if we use the KHWiki.net as the main wiki, then we'd get almost no traffic, surely?
[19:03] <LegoAlchristmas> Well.
[19:03] <@troisnyxetienne> Question —
[19:03] <LegoAlchristmas> Chitty.
[19:03] <LegoAlchristmas> Who.
[19:03] <Chitalian> Plus, there's some people who aren't staffers who do deserve the position.
[19:03] <@troisnyxetienne> Is there a cap on the number of staff if we merge?
[19:03] <LegoAlchristmas> Who do you feel does not deserve to be admin.,
[19:03] <@maggosh> *ahem*
[19:03] <Chaser> 2 mods on .net and 5 on wikia
[19:03] <LightRoxas> exactly
[19:03] <Dark-EnigmaXIII> Not really, Trois
[19:03] <@maggosh> Wiki currently has a staff compliment of 8.
[19:03] <@troisnyxetienne> Well, if there were....
[19:03] <Chitalian> Who do I feel doesn't deserve it?
[19:03] <LegoAlchristmas> Yes.
[19:03] <@maggosh> As does .net
[19:03] <Chitalian> Can I say it without getting in trouble or being judged?
[19:04] <@troisnyxetienne> Then it would justify the whole merging process, but I suggest we be honest on this matter.
[19:04] <LightRoxas> sure
[19:04] <@troisnyxetienne> Yes, Chitalian.
[19:04] <@troisnyxetienne> I assure you.
[19:04] <Infinitimas> As do I.
[19:04] <Chitalian> ENX on .net and LA/CLC on The Keyhole.
[19:04] <Chaser> I say LA and CLC
[19:04] <@maggosh> Since I am an admin on both Wikis, the combined staff would be 15.
[19:04] <LegoAlchristmas> Which LA are we talking about here.
[19:04] <LegoAlchristmas> .-.
[19:04] <Sora_> Can someone tell me what happens if we merge? Would Wikia just get turned into a fan site?
[19:04] <Dark-EnigmaXIII> LegendAqua
[19:04] <Chitalian> Not you LA.
[19:04] <Sox|Simba> LegendAqua = LA
[19:04] <LegoAlchristmas> Oh.
[19:04] <Chainoffire> why?
[19:04] <Infinitimas> I had no idea LA was an admin.
[19:04] <Dark-EnigmaXIII> You're Lego
[19:04] <Chaser> we still love you
[19:04] <Chitalian> Sora, I swear to god...
[19:05] <@troisnyxetienne> I thought Wikia was already the fan-ish half of the wiki?
[19:05] <Sox|Simba> ..LA's a mod
[19:05] <@troisnyxetienne> Also,
[19:05] <Dark-EnigmaXIII> LA is a mod on probabtion
[19:05] <@maggosh> The way I see it, the number of mods and admins would be evened out.
[19:05] <Infinitimas> I see
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[19:05] <Sora_> Thanks for answering my question...
[19:05] <Dark-EnigmaXIII> What maggosh said
[19:05]  * Darkheart3 agrees with Chitalian
[19:05] <Chitalian> However, again, there's other people who deserve the position.
[19:05] <Chaser> As if?
[19:05] <Chitalian> Kyo on The Keyhole, Inex and Asif on .net
[19:05] <Darkheart3> LA/CLC/ENX = NO
[19:05] <LightRoxas> as if comes to mind
[19:05] <Sox|Simba> Sora_ your question is already answered in the forums
[19:05] <@maggosh> Upon merge, there would be 8 admin, 7 mods.
[19:06] <Darkheart3> too many
[19:06] <@maggosh> I honestly believe that to be a reasonable number.
[19:06] <Chainoffire> can i ask why those certain people dont deserve to be staff?
[19:06] <@troisnyxetienne> Eight admins and seven mods should be alright, although one more mod might be good.
[19:06] <Chitalian> Considering .net's lack of mods
[19:06] <Chaser> what about FinalRest?
[19:06] <Chitalian> and The Keyhole's lack of admins
[19:06] <Infinitimas> Remember:
[19:06] <Chaser> she still mod, even if she inactive
[19:06] <Infinitimas> The more mods/admins,
[19:06] <@maggosh> The two compliment each other.
[19:06] <Infinitimas> the harder it will be to communicate
[19:06] <Dark-EnigmaXIII> Well, so, Chit, you basically suggest we remove those 3 and those other 3?
[19:06] <Infinitimas> to each other.
[19:06] <LegoAlchristmas> That's a good question.
[19:06] <Darkheart3> FinalRest is inactive until xmas is over
[19:06] <LegoAlchristmas> What about the inactive/retired admins/mods?
[19:06] <@troisnyxetienne> Infinitimas — now, this is where we get in.
[19:06] <Chitalian> I don't want to "remove" anyone.
[19:06] <Chainoffire> can i ask why those certain people dont deserve to be staff?
[19:06] <Chitalian> Which is why I'm all for a re-election.
[19:06] <Sora_> Theres no point in having 15 staff members for one site
[19:06] <@troisnyxetienne> The whole point of us being admins is not for us to remain high up.
[19:06] <Sora_> thats ridiculous
[19:06] <@troisnyxetienne> It's to communicate with people.
[19:07] <Chitalian> CLC and ENX both show un-leaderlike qualities.
[19:07] <@troisnyxetienne> If we can't do that, then really, no matter how hard we try to elect new staff, it won't work.
[19:07] <Dark-EnigmaXIII> I agree
[19:07] <Chitalian> While LegendAqua has been a mod for less than a week.
[19:07] <Chainoffire> and LA?
[19:07] <Sox|Simba> anyone have an approx count of registered users between the two wikis?
[19:07] <Infinitimas> I see.
[19:07] <Chainoffire> i see
[19:07] <Chitalian> Wait
[19:07] <Chaser> I know she on break, but her position on staff
[19:07] <Sox|Simba> active, that is
[19:07] <Chitalian> I can get it for .net
[19:07] <Chitalian> http://www.khwiki.net/Special:ActiveUsers
[19:07] <LegoAlchristmas> GIve here a chance to break.
[19:07] <LegoAlchristmas> T*her
[19:07] <Dark-EnigmaXIII> She did a pretty damn good job
[19:07] <LegoAlchristmas> y*HER
[19:07] <LegoAlchristmas> *****HER
[19:08] <Dark-EnigmaXIII> I dont see why she doesnt deserve the position
[19:08] <Chitalian> LA?
[19:08] <Chainoffire> same here
[19:08] <RoxasXIIILK> Tru
[19:08] <Dark-EnigmaXIII> I meant FR
[19:08] <Darkheart3> uh, who are we talking about?
[19:08] <Chitalian> I want to see how she interacts between the 2 wikis.
[19:08] <Darkheart3> oh
[19:08] <Chitalian> Ah, okay.
[19:08] <Chitalian> But again
[19:08] <Dark-EnigmaXIII> LA is a he
[19:08] <Infinitimas> 3670
[19:08] <Darkheart3> ?
[19:08] <LightRoxas> final rest deserves the position
[19:08] <Chitalian> We don't know how they interact between the 2 wikis.
[19:08] <Infinitimas> 3670 with mainspace edits over 100
[19:08] <Chitalian> Yeah, FR is okay with me.
[19:09] <LegoAlchristmas> Really?
[19:09] <LightRoxas> she has good ethic
[19:09] <LegoAlchristmas> .-.
[19:09] <MasterVantius> well are both site going to be one overarching site with one serving one purpose and the other another?  If so we needd the mods for both then
[19:09] <Darkheart3> FR has interacted between both wikis before
[19:09] <Sora_> FR doesn't actuallyy do much though
[19:09] <Darkheart3> i say FR remains mod
[19:09] <Chitalian> But still, I'm for the re-election because we get to choose who BOTH communities would like to be their leaders.
[19:09] <Sora_> unlike LegendAqua
[19:09] <LegoAlchristmas> The old wikia will become a fansite.
[19:09] <Dark-EnigmaXIII> Sora, she's on vacations
[19:09] <Darkheart3> inactive until xmas is over
[19:09] <Sora_> but even before that what did she really do?
[19:09] <@troisnyxetienne> Lego: I thought that was the case from the forums? Or was it not? o.O
[19:09] <Darkheart3> alot
[19:09] <Chaser> I feel LA we better as a mod/admin on wikia if it goes fan site
[19:09] <Chitalian> If we just squished the staff together, we'd have people one community wouldn't like, and stuff like that.
[19:09] <Chaser> *will go
[19:09] <Chainoffire> i thought the "old wikia"  is already a fansite
[19:09] <Chitalian> ._.
[19:09] <@troisnyxetienne> Exactly.
[19:09] <@troisnyxetienne> Guys.
[19:09] <Chaser> goes more fan site
[19:09] <LightRoxas> yeah, if we reelect
[19:09] <Chitalian> Guys, really...?
[19:10] <@troisnyxetienne> GUYS.
[19:10] <Dark-EnigmaXIII> its a less extrict encyclopedia.
[19:10] <@troisnyxetienne> SLIGHT DIVERSION.
[19:10] <Dark-EnigmaXIII> not a fansite.
[19:10] <Chitalian> LISTEN TO TNE
[19:10] <Chainoffire> i see, thank you
[19:10] <@troisnyxetienne> Wikia was supposed to be a fansite from the forums that we had decided upon.
[19:10] <LightRoxas> then we can get the people to vote for who they want
[19:10] <@troisnyxetienne> .net was supposed to be the ACTUAL wiki.
[19:10] <RPGblade0|VX> Ok, sorry. My parents took over the computer for the past 10 minutes >_>
[19:10] <Darkheart3> go on
[19:10] <LegoAlchristmas> Let me explain.
[19:10] <@troisnyxetienne> Go on.
[19:10] <Dark-EnigmaXIII> Go ahead
[19:10] <LegoAlchristmas> The old wikia was INTENDED to become a fansite.
[19:10] <Darkheart3> yup
[19:10] <LegoAlchristmas> But the administration didn't do that.
[19:10] <RPGblade0|VX> Yes.
[19:10] <Chainoffire> why?
[19:11] <HikariKH> ^
[19:11] <LegoAlchristmas> They diverted to an encycolpedia, only more "fan-friendly".
[19:11] <RoxasXIIILK> They did nothing :P
[19:11] <Chaser> we ''tried'' to make it fan site
[19:11] <LegoAlchristmas> Because I was a lazy, selfish bastard.
[19:11] <Dark-EnigmaXIII> And then I took over, practically
[19:11] <LegoAlchristmas> And Dan was inactive.
[19:11] <LegoAlchristmas> I can't speak for maggosh.
[19:11] <LegoAlchristmas> So we inducted new admins.
[19:11] <LegoAlchristmas> And they made the site an encyclopedia.
[19:11] <Chainoffire> dan = maggosh?
[19:11] <@troisnyxetienne> No.
[19:11] <Chitalian> =.=
[19:11] <@troisnyxetienne> Dan is Dan da Man36.
[19:11] <@troisnyxetienne> Sigh.
[19:11] <LegoAlchristmas> dan = Dandaman12
[19:11] <HikariKH> =.=
[19:11] <Darkheart3> Dan = Dan
[19:11] <Chaser> and theory name space kinda die
[19:11] <LegoAlchristmas> or something like that
[19:11] <@maggosh> I was preoccupied with registering for college.
[19:11] <LegoAlchristmas> 36, that's right.
[19:11] <Chainoffire> okay
[19:11] <LegoAlchristmas> UNfortunately.
[19:11] <Chaser> chain is new, he doesn tknow who dan
[19:11] <Chitalian> Can we get back to staff now?
[19:11] <LegoAlchristmas> That was such a good idea.
[19:12] <@troisnyxetienne> Yes, Chitalian.
[19:12] <LegoAlchristmas> We are on staff.
[19:12] <@troisnyxetienne> Staff.
[19:12] <@maggosh> Back to the topic.
[19:12] <Chitalian> I believe in a reelection because BOTH COMMUNITIES get to pick their leaders.
[19:12] <Darkheart3> Staff sound good
[19:12] <Dark-EnigmaXIII> Most of us agreed on a merge.
[19:12] <LightRoxas> with a merge tho
[19:12] <LightRoxas> there are people disliked
[19:12] <@troisnyxetienne> Yes, and mainly because a lot of us were on Wikia precedently.
[19:12] <LightRoxas> by both communities
[19:12] <RoxasXIIILK> Each community I believe would just pick each of their own ppl to be honest
[19:12] <@troisnyxetienne> Some of the people who were in the Keyhole...
[19:12] <@troisnyxetienne> Knew the admins from .net.
[19:12] <@troisnyxetienne> At least, the older members.
[19:12] <@troisnyxetienne> Not the newer ones.
[19:13] <@maggosh> LightRoxas: Please put what you're trying to say into one whole line instead of splitting it up.
[19:13] <Dark-EnigmaXIII> Like me and Soxra.
[19:13] <Chaser> and me and roxas
[19:13] <Darkheart3> if it was to be a reelection, i would equally vote for .net and .wikia
[19:13] <Chitalian> or me, or me :P
[19:13] <@troisnyxetienne> Yes, case in point.
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[19:13] <@ErryK> I'd like a reelection.
[19:13] <Chitalian> YES
[19:13] <Chitalian> ASIFS HERE
[19:13] <Chitalian> PRAISE THE LORD
[19:13] <@troisnyxetienne> :D
[19:13] <RPGblade0|VX> Hey, asif.
[19:13] <Asif> Hi.
[19:13] <Chitalian> Reelection.
[19:13] <Chainoffire> hello
[19:13] <LightRoxas> AS IF
[19:13] <LegoAlchristmas> Now what about all the old admins.
[19:13] <Asif> I don't think I have much time though.
[19:13] <Chaser> we talking about staff asif
[19:13] <LegoAlchristmas> ALL of them should agree with a reelection.
[19:13] <@troisnyxetienne> We temporarily step down.
[19:13] <@troisnyxetienne> That's what! ^_^
[19:13] <LegoAlchristmas> Some of them may not be comfortable with just losing their powers.
[19:14] <Dark-EnigmaXIII> Indeed.
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[19:14] <Chitalian> Of course, not everone would like that.
[19:14] <Chainoffire> who would be in charge of the election then?
[19:14] <Chitalian> *everyone.
[19:14] <@troisnyxetienne> Well....
[19:14] <@troisnyxetienne> Let's put it this way —
[19:14] <@troisnyxetienne> As much as I may feel uncomfortable with losing my adminship,
[19:14] <Chitalian> I'd assume the leaders of both wikis.
[19:14] <@troisnyxetienne> I do realise that we're starting over, if we merge.
[19:14] <@troisnyxetienne> If we choose the reelection.
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[19:14] <Darkheart3> ^
[19:14] <Chitalian> DE, Kryten, Sox, and Neumannz could handle the election.
[19:14] <Chaser> to be truth, I'm ok with losing mines
[19:14] <@troisnyxetienne> Darkheart: The ^ was for?
[19:14] <Keyblade0> ...mind if I add my opinions?
[19:14] <@troisnyxetienne> Go on.
[19:14] <Darkheart3> @TNE:"I do realise that we're starting over, if we merge"
[19:15] <Keyblade0> Okay, I personally think whoever is part of the retired staff shouldn't lose their powers.
[19:15] <@troisnyxetienne> ^
[19:15] <Keyblade0> Even if we merge.
[19:15] <@troisnyxetienne> I find that fair.
[19:15] <Asif> I still think that the staff should be chosen from the current staff from both wikis.
[19:15] <Keyblade0> ...
[19:15] <LightRoxas> what about DTN
[19:15] <@troisnyxetienne> He's retired...
[19:15] <Asif> He's gone.
[19:15] <Dark-EnigmaXIII> ^
[19:15] <Chitalian> Asif, you're getting freakin' promoted.
[19:15] <LightRoxas> i realize
[19:15] <Keyblade0> Disappeared.
[19:15] <HikariKH> Sadly
[19:15] <@troisnyxetienne> So he should be treated as everyone who's "retired".
[19:15] <@troisnyxetienne> In that his powers should be kept.
[19:15] <LightRoxas> but what do we do with his staff powers
[19:15] <Keyblade0> Yes.
[19:15] <Dark-EnigmaXIII> But he is retired
[19:15] <@troisnyxetienne> Light: See my comments above.
[19:15] <Dark-EnigmaXIII> So he can come back
[19:16] <Asif> We do what we always do:
[19:16] <Chainoffire> fill it in with another person
[19:16] <Chitalian> I want a reelection because we can pick people that both communities trust, but we could also pick new blood.
[19:16] <@maggosh> Darn it, I have to go help with cookies...
[19:16] <LightRoxas> yes, chitalian i agree
[19:16] <Darkheart3> ^
[19:16] <Asif> Mmm... okay, I see.
[19:16] <@maggosh> Be back later.
[19:16] <LegoAlchristmas> Doorsey is absolutely keeping his powers.
[19:16] <Chainoffire> is there new blood to pick?
[19:16] <Chitalian> Seeyis.
[19:16] <Keyblade0> Ok. See ya maggosh.
[19:16] <LegoAlchristmas> No questions asked.
[19:16] <Chitalian> Yes.
[19:16] <@maggosh> Fill me in when I get back.
[19:16] <Chitalian> Asif, Inex, Kyo
[19:16] <Chainoffire> okay
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[19:16] <@troisnyxetienne> Naturally, there will be new blood.
[19:16] <Chaser> asif, inex and kyo?
[19:16] <Chitalian> ._.
[19:16] <Dark-EnigmaXIII> We could also hold a meeting for two halfs of the staff to merge.
[19:16] <Darkheart3> yup
[19:16] <LegoAlchristmas> That' what we're doing NOW.
[19:16] <@troisnyxetienne> ^
[19:16] <Keyblade0> ^
[19:16] <Chitalian> Not another meeting ._.
[19:17] <Darkheart3> ^
[19:17] <LegoAlchristmas> We don't need a bloody meeting for everything.
[19:17] <Dark-EnigmaXIII> Sorry, I mean
[19:17] <@troisnyxetienne> DE, I must concur with Lego right now.
[19:17] <Chitalian> Guys, do you really have to waste a line by doing "^"?
[19:17] <Darkheart3> yes
[19:17] <Darkheart3> yes we do
[19:17] <LightRoxas> ^
[19:17] <@troisnyxetienne> Well, it's better than having everyone say (seconded, thirded etc...)
[19:17] <Keyblade0> Yes.
[19:17] <@ErryK> You're not being serious
[19:17] <@ErryK> Do you want to get kicked?
[19:17] <Sox|Simba> ...guys, stop being silly
[19:17] <@troisnyxetienne> For once.
[19:17] <Sora_> Did we ever actually make a decision on whether we are ACTUALLY Merging or not?
[19:17] <LegoAlchristmas> I agree, at least say "I agree" or "yeah", rather than ^.
[19:17] <Asif> Back on topic...
[19:17] <Sora_> i saw the vote...
[19:17] <Chitalian> That's what we're doing.
[19:17] <Dark-EnigmaXIII> Instead of picking a big staff for. We can get each community to pick who want to represent them in the merged staff. Or not
[19:17] <Chitalian> YES, BACK ON TOPIC
[19:17] <@troisnyxetienne> Guys. Let me refresh.
[19:17] <Dark-EnigmaXIII> just a suggestion
[19:17] <@troisnyxetienne> Go on?
[19:18] <Dark-EnigmaXIII> We could have separated elections for the representatives of .net and the keyhole
[19:18] <Chitalian> I think picking staffers shouldn't be first priority.
[19:18] <Sora_> THANKS CHITALIAN
[19:18] <Chitalian> Articles and images and such comes first.
[19:18] <LightRoxas> yes
[19:18] <Sora_> staff is least important at the moment
[19:18] <Sora_> we have staff dont we?
[19:18] <@troisnyxetienne> I think, the question here is decide whether the merging is going to be done, and if we reach our majority or consensus,
[19:18] <LegoAlchristmas> Let's discuss staff.
[19:18] <@troisnyxetienne> then we move on. Immediately.
[19:18] <Asif> Should we do it like when we split?
[19:18] <LegoAlchristmas> We're on the topic now, we might as well keep on it.
[19:19] <LegoAlchristmas> Let's NOT put this off.
[19:19] <LegoAlchristmas> We always do.
[19:19] <Asif> With people being assigned sections?
[19:19] <@troisnyxetienne> I would think maybe, but the assignment will come later.
[19:19] <Darkheart3> yes, that is good
[19:19] <@troisnyxetienne> We need the general question first.
[19:19] <@troisnyxetienne> Merge or not merge.
[19:19] <@troisnyxetienne> Let's not nitpick here.
[19:19] <LightRoxas> Merge
[19:19] <Chitalian> Not merge
[19:19] <Keyblade0> Merge.
[19:19] <Asif> I say merge.
[19:19] <Darkheart3> Merge
[19:19] <Chaser> merge
[19:19] <HikariKH> Merge
[19:19] <Chainoffire> not merge
[19:19] <Sox|Simba> not merge
[19:19] <Dark-EnigmaXIII> Not merge
[19:19] <RoxasXIIILK> merge
[19:19] <LegoAlchristmas> We are merging.
[19:19] <Infinitimas> merge
[19:19] <MasterVantius> Not merge
[19:19] <Chitalian> Not merge staff, LA
[19:19] <LegoAlchristmas> This has already been decided.
[19:19] <@troisnyxetienne> I'm on the fence.
[19:19] <Sora_> not merge
[19:19] <LegoAlchristmas> Yes, merge the wiki.
[19:20] <Chitalian> I meant "merge staff"
[19:20] <Chainoffire> oh
[19:20] <Chitalian> *We meant
[19:20] <LegoAlchristmas> Oh
[19:20] <Chaser> so off topic here
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[19:20] <Asif> Oh.
[19:20] <Darkheart3> oh
[19:20] <Chitalian> Yes merge the wiki, don't merge staff
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[19:20] <LegoAlchristmas> No, I was misinformed.
[19:20] <KRCCFNF> SORRYSORRYSORRY
[19:20] <LightRoxas> oh
[19:20] <Chitalian> MERGE STAFF OR NOT
[19:20] <Asif> In that case... not merge.
[19:20] <Infinitimas> sorry XD
[19:20] <LegoAlchristmas> Don't listen to me.
[19:20] <@troisnyxetienne> One more time.
[19:20] <@troisnyxetienne> MERGE STAFF OR NOT.
[19:20] <Asif> No.
[19:20] <Infinitimas> not merge
[19:20] <@troisnyxetienne> For once, everyone please vote.
[19:20] <Sox|Simba> yes
[19:20] <Chitalian> not merge
[19:20] <Darkheart3> not merge
[19:20] <Chainoffire> merge
[19:20] <Kyo|Razor> merge staff
[19:20] <LegoAlchristmas> ONly like a third of my attention i here.
[19:20] <LightRoxas> not merge
[19:20] <KRCCFNF> YES, MERGE.
[19:20] <@ShardofTruth> not merge
[19:20] <@troisnyxetienne> On the fence.
[19:20] <HikariKH> merge
[19:20] <LegoAlchristmas> Merge staff.
[19:20] <MasterVantius> merge
[19:20] <Sora_> not merge
[19:20] <Dark-EnigmaXIII> no
[19:20] <Chaser> not merge
[19:20] <Chaser> brb
[19:20] <Chitalian> Can I just ask why you guys think we should merge staffs?
[19:20] <KRCCFNF> But bring Kryten down to appease him, and bring some people up.
[19:20] <Asif> Got to go. Bye
[19:20] <@Tabbeh> Merge.
[19:21] <RoxasXIIILK> merge
[19:21] <ArchAngelus> merge
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[19:21] <Chitalian> ._.
[19:21] <Darkheart3> has eveyone voted?
[19:21] <Chitalian> Somebody count that.
[19:21] <Keyblade0> Merge.
[19:21] <Keyblade0> Yes.
[19:21] <Keyblade0> I hope so.
[19:21] <Chitalian> Seriously, somebody who thinks we should merge, explain why please.
[19:21] <Chaser> 9 nos
[19:21] <KRCCFNF> I think merge all existing bcrats, admins, and moderators, and add, like, three mods.
[19:21] <@troisnyxetienne> I shall explain.
[19:21] <Chaser> 6 yes
[19:22] <Chaser> *8 yes
[19:22] <LightRoxas> thats close
[19:22] <Darkheart3> Majority has decided to not merge staff
[19:22] <@troisnyxetienne> My original decision to merge was based on the reasoning that the older members of the Keyhole have already known some members of the staff to be trustworthy, so we're really a fragmented community, and people are acquainted with some of the current admins.
[19:22] <LegoAlchristmas> Majority isn't here
[19:22] <@troisnyxetienne> ^ And to continue,
[19:22] <Darkheart3> ._.
[19:22] <LegoAlchristmas> Half the people that need to be here aren't.
[19:22] <Darkheart3> the majority of the community
[19:22] <Darkheart3> here
[19:22] <LegoAlchristmas> We need the STAFF here, not the community.
[19:22] <LegoAlchristmas> NO offense.
[19:22] <@troisnyxetienne> I suggest......
[19:22] <Chitalian> Yep.
[19:22] <LegoAlchristmas> *No
[19:22] <Darkheart3> none taken
[19:23] <Chainoffire> i can leave if im any trouble
[19:23] <Darkheart3> dont be stupid
[19:23] <@troisnyxetienne> Guys —
[19:23] <LegoAlchristmas> No, all of you can be here.
[19:23] <Sox|Simba> guys, i think voting needs to be held on a wiki forum (under separate headers) by ALL members of the community, both .net and wikia
[19:23] <Sox|Simba> thats the onyl way to guarantee a fair vote
[19:23] <Darkheart3> AGREE
[19:23] <LegoAlchristmas> But concerning the matters of staff, the STAFF should decide, not the community.
[19:23] <LightRoxas> i agree sox
[19:23] <Chitalian> Yep. Again, this is one vote.
[19:23] <Chainoffire> agreed
[19:23] <Sora_> i agree with sox
[19:23] <ArchAngelus> agreed
[19:23] <LegoAlchristmas> DISagree.
[19:23] <Sora_> we're not discussing.
[19:23] <LegoAlchristmas> Let's just do this now.
[19:23] <Sora_> this is called Arguing/Voting
[19:23] <ArchAngelus> some people couldn't be here anyway
[19:23] <LegoAlchristmas> Get the staff here.
[19:23] <@troisnyxetienne> Well...
[19:23] <@troisnyxetienne> Guys —
[19:23] <@troisnyxetienne> I can only say one thing.
[19:24] <@troisnyxetienne> If you want everyone to be here,
[19:24] <Dark-EnigmaXIII> Then that's impossible
[19:24] <@troisnyxetienne> then I suggest we continue this at The World that Never Was.
[19:24] <@troisnyxetienne> That way everyone can explain himself.
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[19:24] <Dark-EnigmaXIII> Trois is right
[19:24] <@troisnyxetienne> And there'd be a bit more time for deliberation.
[19:24] <Chitalian> This is honestly the best place for this.
[19:24] <HikariKH> The sooner this is done, the easier it's to work things out, and the more time we'll have. Putting it off won't help.
[19:24] <Chitalian> I'm not wasting days on a forum.
[19:24] <LegoAlchristmas> Exactly, Hikari.
[19:24] <Chainoffire> TWTNW forum?
[19:24] <KRCCFNF> If we bring it to the forums, we won't go ANYWHERE.
[19:24] <@troisnyxetienne> Yes, but better not to put it off even here when not very many people are not responding.
[19:24] <Chaser> it took us 4 days itself to agree on a time
[19:24] <Sora_> yes CoF
[19:24] <LegoAlchristmas> Exactly, TI.
[19:24] <Darkheart3> This needs to happen now
[19:24] <LegoAlchristmas> THis needs to be done.
[19:24] <Infinitimas> Not many people check the forums.
[19:24] <@troisnyxetienne> We have to look at it both ways.
[19:24] <Keyblade0> True.
[19:24] <LegoAlchristmas> Forums honestly get us nowhere.
[19:24] <HikariKH> Thank you
[19:24] <LegoAlchristmas> They end and we never do anything.
[19:25] <Chitalian> Yep.
[19:25] <Sox|Simba> more people will check a forum than are here right now
[19:25] <@troisnyxetienne> ^
[19:25] <@troisnyxetienne> Thank you, Sox.
[19:25] <LightRoxas> right, sox
[19:25] <Sora_> so just having everyone blurt out their ideas all at once is better than a forum?
[19:25] <@troisnyxetienne> Because...
[19:25] <LegoAlchristmas> Yes.
[19:25] <Chitalian> That's what a forum is.
[19:25] <@troisnyxetienne> We need these thoughts organised.
[19:25] <Keyblade0> Yes
[19:25] <@troisnyxetienne> And it's not organised here.
[19:25] <LegoAlchristmas> Yes we do.
[19:25] <Chitalian> "The Fate of 2 Wikis" is all opinion-blurting.
[19:25] <LegoAlchristmas> Okay, I'm holding a ball.
[19:25] <LegoAlchristmas> Whoever is holding the ball gets to talk.
[19:25]  * LegoAlchristmas passes the ball to trois
[19:25] <Sora_> its ORGANISED opinion-blurting
[19:25] <HikariKH> You're kidding, right?
[19:25] <LegoAlchristmas> Yes.
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[19:26] <Keyblade0> XD
[19:26] <LegoAlchristmas> I'm kidding.
[19:26] <SilverCrono> came back just for the meeting
[19:26] <Chitalian> Whoever talks when they don't have the ball gets kicked.
[19:26] <Chaser> back on topic
[19:26] <SilverCrono> and now I must go
[19:26] <LegoAlchristmas> It's on.
[19:26] <SilverCrono> must log... goodbye
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[19:26] <Keyblade0> See ya, Silver.
[19:26] <Crono|Away> even though my log is gonna miss 25 minutes...carry on
[19:26] <Chaser> we're already logging crono
[19:26] <LegoAlchristmas> I'm logging this.
[19:26] <Crono|Away> ffffffffuuuuu-
[19:26] <Crono|Away> well.
[19:26] <Crono|Away> now we have two logs
[19:26] <Crono|Away> kbai
[19:26] <Chaser> your 26 min late
[19:26] <LegoAlchristmas> Many people are, I think .-.
[19:26] <Keyblade0> XD
[19:26] <Dark-EnigmaXIII> Back on topic
[19:26] <Keyblade0> Yup.
[19:27] <Infinitimas> Yes.
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[19:27] <Chitalian> Somebody was explaining why merging staffs would be preferable.
[19:27] <Keyblade0> WB TNE
[19:27] <troisnyxetienne_> I was.
[19:27] <Darkheart3> =.=
[19:27] <troisnyxetienne_> But I got disconnected.
[19:27] <HikariKH> It's ok
[19:27] <MasterVantius> Can we decide if we are actually merging wikis or not first. Then worry about other things.
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[19:27] <Chitalian> We're merging, I think that's been decided :P
[19:27] <KRCCFNF> We're merging.
[19:27] <Chaser> we're mergin
[19:27] <LegoAlchristmas> Like I was saying.
[19:28] <Keyblade0> ._. We've already decided.
[19:28] <Darkheart3> merge
[19:28] <LightRoxas> merging
[19:28] <Keyblade0> Merge. It has been foretold.
[19:28] <Infinitimas> OKAY, WE GET IT
[19:28] <Ankou> Alright. I missed quite a lot.....
[19:28] <LegoAlchristmas> If we're merging the wikis, we may as well merge the staff.
[19:28] <Keyblade0> Yes.
[19:28] <HikariKH> Atleast in the begining
[19:28] <LegoAlchristmas> That's the fairest route.
[19:28] <Infinitimas> ...no need to have 20 people shout out "merge"
[19:28] <Chainoffire> then we should vote on articles and content
[19:28] <ArchAngelus> Reasonable
[19:28] <MasterVantius> That was not broadcasted to the Keyhole
[19:28] <Chitalian> But then we get people who frankly don't deserve it.
[19:28] <LegoAlchristmas> Everyone keeps their powers.
[19:28] <LightRoxas> how about we merge staff at first
[19:28] <HikariKH> We'll need as much help as we can get to do the merge
[19:28] <KRCCFNF> HOW ABOUT THIS:
[19:28] <Ankou> Alright.
[19:28] <LightRoxas> and then reelect later
[19:28] <KRCCFNF> We start from scratch.
[19:29] <Chitalian> People need to be able to have respect from BOTH communities, not just one.
[19:29] <Ankou> That's "not merging", KRCCFNF.
[19:29] <HikariKH> LightRoxas: Exactly
[19:29] <LegoAlchristmas> Agreed with trois.
[19:29] <LegoAlchristmas> Starting from scratch would cause choas.
[19:29] <KRCCFNF> I mean in the way of staff, not content.
[19:29] <Sora_> can we make a FREAKING decision already
[19:29] <Ankou> Thank you.
[19:29] <LegoAlchristmas> SORA
[19:29] <Chitalian> Calm down.
[19:29] <LegoAlchristmas> THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING.
[19:29] <LegoAlchristmas> If you have nothing to input, you don't have to be here.
[19:29] <LegoAlchristmas> You'll see decisions AFTER the discussion is done.
[19:29] <Infinitimas> Calm youself.
[19:30] <Infinitimas> Everyone has the right to be here.
[19:30] <Chitalian> Alright, please, back on topic.
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[19:30] <LegoAlchristmas> I didn't say they didn't have the right.
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[19:30] <Infinitimas> I know.
[19:30] <LegoAlchristmas> I said they didn't have to be here.
[19:30] <Infinitimas> I'm just saying.
[19:30] <LegoAlchristmas> No one has to be here to know what the outcome will be.
[19:30] <Infinitimas> Please calm down.
[19:30] <LegoAlchristmas> I am calm.
[19:30] <Chitalian> Again, this is why I wanted it to be staff only >.>
[19:30] <troisnyxetienne> (Reidentified myself. Someone reop me, please.)
[19:30] <LegoAlchristmas> I agree with Chitty.
[19:30] <Sora_> look, just carry on...
[19:31] <troisnyxetienne> Someone please reop me, quick.
[19:31] <LightRoxas> you guys would get more done if it was just staff
[19:31] <troisnyxetienne> No, Light.
[19:31] <troisnyxetienne> No.
[19:31] <RoxasXIIILK> Then you'd just have the staff oppinion not the community.
[19:31] <Keyblade0> ^
[19:31] <troisnyxetienne> It's not fair if people don't have a say.
[19:31] <Keyblade0> True.
[19:31] <troisnyxetienne> Also, for the third time,
[19:31] <troisnyxetienne> someone please reop me.
[19:31] <LegoAlchristmas> Like I was saying,
[19:31] <troisnyxetienne> ShardofTruth?
[19:31] <troisnyxetienne> Are you there?
[19:31] <LightRoxas> erry can you op her?
[19:31] <LegoAlchristmas> the matters of staff should be decided by the staff.
[19:32] <troisnyxetienne> ErryK? Are you there
[19:32] <LegoAlchristmas> Everything else I don't see why the community shouldn't decide.
[19:32] <troisnyxetienne> ?
[19:32] <Chainoffire> the community should have an input
[19:32] <LightRoxas> then lets move on
[19:32] <Chitalian> Merging content.
[19:32] <KRCCFNF> *Alright, I now agree that this needs to be on a forum.  While forums are slow, and many opinions get ignored, they don't get muddled.  There is only chaos here, and it causes so many valid points to be lost in the frenzy.  Thank you.*
[19:32] <Chitalian> Let's keep the staff issue on a forum.
[19:32]  * Darkheart3 agress with t_I
[19:32] <troisnyxetienne> That sounds good.
[19:32] <LegoAlchristmas> I have an idea.
[19:32] <Infinitimas> Sounds good
[19:32] <troisnyxetienne> Actually, I find that to be for the best.
[19:32] <troisnyxetienne> Go on.
[19:32] <LegoAlchristmas> Yeah, the staff decision should go on a forum.
[19:32] <HikariKH> I rather like Chitalian's plan
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[19:33] <LegoAlchristmas> Everything else let's keep here.
[19:33] <LegoAlchristmas> That's the point of this meeting.
[19:33] <Chitalian> MERGING ARTICLE CONTENT
[19:33] <@troisnyxetienne> Alright.
[19:33] <Keyblade0> Yes.
[19:33] <@troisnyxetienne> How do we go about that?
[19:33] <Infinitimas> Major Divisions.
[19:33] <LightRoxas> Same way we split?
[19:33] <Infinitimas> Character?
[19:33] <Chitalian> For starters, Quotes will be kept, as will the Gallery pages that you guys have worked on.
[19:33] <Chaser> keep .net content, while keep wikia quote
[19:33] <KRCCFNF> I don't see how tabs will help... I think the content needs to be merged.
[19:33] <HikariKH> Those are awesome
[19:33] <Chitalian> Inex suggested keeping your 3D articles, though I halfway disagree.
[19:33] <KRCCFNF> At the time, they had far more.
[19:34] <Darkheart3> As As If said, we should have different users assigned to different sections
[19:34] <Dark-EnigmaXIII> We also have more abilities. And articles on the Dream Eaters
[19:34] <Sora_> most content pages are pretty much the same
[19:34] <LightRoxas> we have gained a lot as of late
[19:34] <Chitalian> I think that certain parts of .net's 3D articles are better, while certain parts of Wikia's are  better.
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[19:34] <@troisnyxetienne> I agree with merging content rather than having tabs, if "tabs" refer to "two versions of the same article".
[19:34] <Infinitimas> How about GIFs you don't have?
[19:34] <LegoAlchristmas> Yeah, we should keep the 3d articles.
[19:34] <Chitalian> We have many .gifs :p
[19:34] <KRCCFNF> ErryK
[19:34] <LegoAlchristmas> They're one of the most attractive things about the wikia.
[19:34] <Infinitimas> But there are some .gifs you don't have
[19:34] <LegoAlchristmas> Besides the skin composed by Socks here.
[19:34] <@ShardofTruth> i think tabs refered to gallery, quotes, boss page etc.
[19:34] <Chitalian> For the 3D articles, we could carry over sections from Wikia that .net doesn't have.
[19:34] <Chitalian> I love the idea of tabs.
[19:34] <@troisnyxetienne> Let's go along this spirit for merging articles —
[19:34] <LegoAlchristmas> Yes, Shard.
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[19:35] <Infinitimas> WB
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[19:35] <@troisnyxetienne> .net has some strong points, Wikia has some strong points. Combine the two together and eliminate the need for tabs.
[19:35] <@maggosh> Okay, I'm back.
[19:35] <Keyblade0> WB Kyo and maggosh.
[19:35] <@troisnyxetienne> Reason being.
[19:35] <@maggosh> What have I missed?
[19:35] <@troisnyxetienne> People are going to read one article, not two on the same subject.
[19:35] <Dark-EnigmaXIII> Trois
[19:35] <Dark-EnigmaXIII> let me explain
[19:35] <LightRoxas> not much mag
[19:35] <LegoAlchristmas> trois.
[19:35] <@troisnyxetienne> Yes?
[19:35] <LegoAlchristmas> THat's what tabs are.
[19:35] <Infinitimas> I think you misread that.
[19:35] <HikariKH> Grab what is best from each and merge, then?
[19:35] <Chitalian> We don't want one log article.
[19:35] <Chitalian> *long
[19:35] <@troisnyxetienne> Well, Chitalian...
[19:35] <Dark-EnigmaXIII> tab means that we'll have a tab that holds the whole page. And we switch it to go to gallery, boss, etc
[19:35] <LegoAlchristmas> What we're thinking about doing is putting all of the content on one page using tabs to divide the information.
[19:35] <@troisnyxetienne> Think about it —
[19:36] <@ErryK> If there are .gifs that are not present, I can be given a list of what .gifs we must get and through me for optimum quality.
[19:36] <@troisnyxetienne> some details will be very similar.
[19:36] <LegoAlchristmas> For example (this is a crude one, but effective),
[19:36] <@troisnyxetienne> So we don't need to have one long article etc. etc.
[19:36] <@maggosh> Have we moved on from Staff?
[19:36] <@troisnyxetienne> Yes, we have.
[19:36] <LegoAlchristmas> Family GUy Wiki episode articles.
[19:36] <HikariKH> Yup
[19:36] <Chitalian> We're gonna have Staff on a forum.
[19:36] <Chainoffire> i like the idea of tabs
[19:36] <@maggosh> And the consensus?
[19:36] <@maggosh> Okay.
[19:36] <Chitalian> Since we obviously can't get it here >.>
[19:36] <LegoAlchristmas> We didn't reach a consensus on staff.
[19:36] <KRCCFNF> *We need to MANUALLY pick and choose the good sections that each lacks, and keep them.  Forums will ensue, but it will be a much better method.*
[19:36] <Infinitimas> That will need much manpower.
[19:36] <Keyblade0> Yes.
[19:36] <Chitalian> We have plenty.
[19:36] <@troisnyxetienne> Well, that's where WE come in!
[19:36] <HikariKH> And time, too
[19:36] <@troisnyxetienne> :D
[19:36] <Infinitimas> Many don't have the motivation
[19:36] <Keyblade0> True, true. :3
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[19:37] <@maggosh> And what are we on to now?
[19:37] <@troisnyxetienne> Never mind. We do the least we can do.
[19:37] <Infinitimas> nor the time, yes
[19:37] <Chainoffire> and who will decide what stays and what goes
[19:37] <Chitalian> We
[19:37] <Dark-EnigmaXIII> Guys, you went trough an audit. You can trough it
[19:37] <@troisnyxetienne> I think.......
[19:37] <Chitalian> We're on merging content.
[19:37] <Keyblade0> We the people of the IRC.
[19:37] <Chaser> it will just be another synch
[19:37] <@maggosh> Okay.
[19:37] <Chaser> we did it last time, we can do it again
[19:37] <LegoAlchristmas> Is it really that simple?
[19:37] <Darkheart3> yes
[19:37] <@troisnyxetienne> I should think so, yes.
[19:37] <Darkheart3> yes it is
[19:37] <Sox|Simba> its simple if everyone pitches in
[19:37] <HikariKH> Hopefully
[19:37] <LegoAlchristmas> In case you didn't notice, the audit was hell.
[19:37] <@troisnyxetienne> That's all it took the last time, that's all it should take now.
[19:38] <LegoAlchristmas> The audit was not simple.
[19:38] <@troisnyxetienne> Yes.
[19:38] <@troisnyxetienne> I know.
[19:38] <LegoAlchristmas> It took half a year to finish it.
[19:38] <KRCCFNF> The IMAGE audit was, not the main.
[19:38] <@troisnyxetienne> Things take time, but that doesn't mean we can't embark on those projects.
[19:38] <HikariKH> This time we'll also have more people
[19:38] <LegoAlchristmas> That's not the point,
[19:38] <@troisnyxetienne> If we want to merge, we've gotta commit. And we've decided that we would.
[19:38] <LegoAlchristmas> of course it will take time.
[19:38] <@troisnyxetienne> So audit it is.
[19:38] <Keyblade0> Yes.
[19:38] <@troisnyxetienne> Not a rewriting, because that'll be more tedious.
[19:38] <Chitalian> That's it for this?
[19:38] <@maggosh> May I make an announcement?
[19:38] <LegoAlchristmas> I'm talking about collaboration.
[19:38] <Chitalian> Yes you may.
[19:38] <LegoAlchristmas> Deciding what is better out of the two.
[19:39] <Keyblade0> Okay.
[19:39] <HikariKH> Maggosh: What is it?
[19:39] <Chaser> go ahead
[19:39] <LegoAlchristmas> maggosh?
[19:39] <@troisnyxetienne> (Let him write...)
[19:39] <Keyblade0> Maybe he's still typing it?
[19:39] <Chainoffire> long announcement
[19:39] <@ErryK> oh god this is so intense.
[19:39] <@maggosh> I'd like to say that, this coming January, I'll be going to college.
[19:39] <Darkheart3> ^
[19:39] <Chaser> ....
[19:39] <Chainoffire> *applauds*
[19:39] <Keyblade0> Oh. Great for you. :)
[19:39] <@ErryK> yay.
[19:39] <Dark-EnigmaXIII> Congratulations
[19:39] <LightRoxas> congrats
[19:39] <@troisnyxetienne> Congrats. ^_^
[19:40] <RoxasXIIILK> ^
[19:40] <Chitalian> College = Inactivity, correct/
[19:40] <KRCCFNF> Coolio.
[19:40] <@maggosh> Because of that, my time will be more, how do I put this...valuable? Not as free-spirited?
[19:40] <Chitalian> And congrats.
[19:40] <@troisnyxetienne> Maggosh: I understand.
[19:40] <Keyblade0> Oh. Right. :I
[19:40] <Chainoffire> i see
[19:40] <Darkheart3> congrats
[19:40] <LegoAlchristmas> We understand.
[19:40] <Dark-EnigmaXIII> It's inevitable
[19:40] <LegoAlchristmas> THanks maggosh, and congrats.
[19:40] <Keyblade0> Yup.
[19:40] <MasterVantius> So true on limited time.
[19:40] <@maggosh> However, what I believe is, this is the push I need to return to activity.
[19:40] <@troisnyxetienne> Well, that being the case — if we're proceeding with one decision, can we handle division of tasks after the whole meeting is done?
[19:40] <@troisnyxetienne> Right now,
[19:40] <@maggosh> Right now, I have so much free time, it's not funny.
[19:40] <@troisnyxetienne> let's concentrate with what is at hand.
[19:40] <LegoAlchristmas> As I was trying to say.
[19:41] <Chainoffire> ill be right back
[19:41] <LegoAlchristmas> This new operation will be much harder than the audit.
[19:41] <@maggosh> I, uh, wasn't finished...
[19:41] <LegoAlchristmas> The idea behind the audit was simple:
[19:41] <Keyblade0> Okay, please continue.
[19:41] <LegoAlchristmas> Overhaul all information that was lost to the new wiki.
[19:41] <LegoAlchristmas> continue, maggosh, excuse me.
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[19:42] <Darkheart3> XD
[19:42] <LegoAlchristmas> HAHAHA hilarious.
[19:42] <@maggosh> To summarize, my free time during college = more potential time for me to spend editing.
[19:42] <Keyblade0> ....?
[19:42] <@maggosh> Thank you for your time.
[19:42] <MasterVantius> Since it looks like staff is the only welcome people at this, I'm out.  Please, PLEASE let the Keyhole know of your plans.  We didn't know that it was official on remerging.
[19:42] <@Ankou> MasterVantius.....
[19:42] <@ErryK> ._.
[19:42] <Chitalian> ._.
[19:42] <LegoAlchristmas> Vantius, everyone is welcome.
[19:42] <KRCCFNF> ...what?
[19:42] <Keyblade0> Vanitus.
[19:42] <Chitalian> Dammit, ErryK.
[19:42] <@ErryK> It was known a week or so beforehand.
[19:42] <@Ankou> The whole article merging included YOUR decision too.
[19:43] <@Ankou> Why are you backing out now.
[19:43] <@Ankou> Let's carry on.
[19:43] <LegoAlchristmas> This entire discussion involves BOTH the Keyhole and the wiki.
[19:43] <Keyblade0> We are talking about article merging.
[19:43] <Keyblade0> ^
[19:43] <@Ankou> And we're NOT finished.
[19:43] <Keyblade0> Their ENTIRE communities.
[19:43] <LegoAlchristmas> We just happened to have the discussion here.
[19:43] <LegoAlchristmas> It just as easily could have taken place at #wikia-kingdomhearts
[19:43] <@Ankou> Back to topic, articles.
[19:43] <LegoAlchristmas> That aside.
[19:43] <@Ankou> Continue, Lego.
[19:43] <LegoAlchristmas> May I continue with what I was trying to say?
[19:43] <Darkheart3> yes
[19:43] <Chitalian> What's left to talk about re: articles?
[19:43] <HikariKH> Yes
[19:43] <LegoAlchristmas> Okay
[19:44] <LegoAlchristmas> What I was trying to say:
[19:44] <LegoAlchristmas> The idea behind the audit was simple; overhaul all lost information to the new wiki.
[19:44] <LegoAlchristmas> This will be much harder.
[19:44] <Keyblade0> ^Yes.
[19:44] <HikariKH> We know
[19:44] <LegoAlchristmas> We actually need to compare the two wikis and decide which content is better.
[19:44] <KRCCFNF> We keep our good content, and we keep theirs.
[19:44] <KRCCFNF> We're not picking one or the other.
[19:44] <LegoAlchristmas> Yes, but what's to say is good?
[19:44] <@Ankou> I take it that this will mean people being tasked to read a bunch of articles, according to their specification?
[19:45] <LightRoxas> easier said than done
[19:45] <LegoAlchristmas> Who will be the judge of that?
[19:45] <KRCCFNF> Forums.
[19:45] <Chitalian> Okay.
[19:45] <KRCCFNF> A lot of forums.
[19:45] <LegoAlchristmas> Good - bad is too controversial.
[19:45] <LegoAlchristmas> FORUMS -- NO.
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[19:45] <@Ankou> My question, guys.... ^
[19:45] <Chitalian> http://kingdomhearts.wikia.com/wiki/Rhyme
[19:45] <LegoAlchristmas> Yes, Ankou.
[19:45] <Chitalian> http://www.khwiki.net/Rhyme Pick one.
[19:45] <Chitalian> Again, we can compromise with this.
[19:45] <Chitalian> We don't have to copy-pasta an ENTIRE article.
[19:46] <Sox|Simba> wikia's
[19:46] <Sox|Simba> and not just because im from there <<
[19:46] <LegoAlchristmas> Wikia's.
[19:46] <Dark-EnigmaXIII> Wikia's
[19:46] <LegoAlchristmas> But I'm not just talking about the new articles.
[19:46] <Chitalian> Ah, yes. But look at our expansive origin section :D
[19:46] <LegoAlchristmas> I'm talking about EVERYTHING.
[19:46] <Darkheart3> wikias
[19:46] <@Ankou> I have to say, a bit of both.
[19:46] <LightRoxas> part of both
[19:46] <Chainoffire> wikia
[19:46] <@Ankou> A bit of both, because .net got the sections right.
[19:46] <@maggosh> Best of the two.
[19:46] <Darkheart3> well then, keep our content, and replace the origin with .net
[19:46] <Chaser> both
[19:46] <Dark-EnigmaXIII> The point is not copy an entire article because it better at some parts
[19:46] <@Ankou> Yes. The point is to fill in what's missing.
[19:46] <Chitalian> Darkheart3, you know that you guys are coming to .net, right?
[19:46] <Dark-EnigmaXIII> the point is merge what's best from both
[19:46] <Darkheart3> yes
[19:47] <@maggosh> Exactly.
[19:47] <Chitalian> Good, you worded it funny.
[19:47] <Chainoffire> agree with darkheart
[19:47] <Chainoffire> * I agree
[19:47] <Darkheart3> my brain is back to front today
[19:47] <Keyblade0> ENX is probably comming...
[19:47] <Chitalian> Anything left to touch on re: articles?
[19:47] <@Ankou> Hold on,
[19:47] <@Ankou> I'm writing
[19:47] <@Ankou> So, the question of which is better can be resolved over time if we assign a group of people over certain sections, games etc. Because the default is .net,
[19:48] <@Ankou> editing will be done if there are parts from wikia which are better.
[19:48] <LightRoxas> we could do it alphabetically like the audit
[19:48] <Darkheart3> exactly
[19:48] <Keyblade0> Okay.
[19:48] <@Ankou> Like passing the articles through a fine-toothed comb, but with the goal of making it all on .net.
[19:48] <@Ankou> Good call, LightRoxas.
[19:48] <LegoAlchristmas> And what about images?
[19:48] <Chitalian> The main issue with many articles on Wikia, specifically the 3D ones, is that they go against .net's MoS.
[19:48] <@Ankou> The same goes too.
[19:48] <@Ankou> Because ultimately,
[19:48] <@Ankou> the default is .net's MOS.
[19:48] <Darkheart3> MoS?
[19:48] <@Ankou> Manual of Style.
[19:48] <Chitalian> Manual of Style
[19:48] <Chitalian> :3
[19:48]  * Darkheart3 dopesmacks himself
[19:49] <Darkheart3> of course, continue
[19:49] <Chitalian> Honestly, did you guys change the MoS?
[19:49] <Chainoffire> or can you?
[19:49] <Chitalian> So there shouldn't be a problem
[19:49] <Chitalian> Just a little reorganizing
[19:49] <Keyblade0> ^I agree
[19:49] <@maggosh> I don't think we did...
[19:49] <Dark-EnigmaXIII> I dissagree. The policies and maual of style of the merged wiki should contain a combination of both communities. We didnt, but we werent so strict
[19:49] <Darkheart3> I agree with dE
[19:49] <@Ankou> Except that there should be mutual ground — we've set standards on .net; we've gotta keep them.
[19:49] <Chitalian> However, the MoS is there for a reason.
[19:50] <Chitalian> We don't have to be so strict
[19:50] <Chitalian> But we still follow it to structure pages.
[19:50] <Dark-EnigmaXIII> We set standrads on the Keyhole as well. You guys wont absorb us. We dont have to adapt to .net. We have to combine both.
[19:50] <LightRoxas> agree, chit
[19:50] <Chainoffire> MoS could be revised, couldn't it?
[19:50] <KRCCFNF> The MoS hasn't been revised in a good while anyway, so it makes sense to fix it now.
[19:50] <RoxasXIIILK> &
[19:50] <@ErryK> Such page that will be affected is Hunter of the Dark.
[19:50] <RoxasXIIILK> ^
[19:50] <Chitalian> True.
[19:50] <@ErryK> It will retain it's .net name.
[19:50] <ArchAngelus> Yeah, sorta combining both?
[19:50] <@ErryK> But contain "body" content from both.
[19:51] <Chitalian> You guys may have changed certain policies
[19:51] <HikariKH> A MoS revision'd be nice
[19:51] <KRCCFNF> *The MoS hasn't been revised in a good while anyway, so it makes sense to fix it now.*
[19:51] <Infinitimas> Not many read the MoS, remember.
[19:51] <@Ankou> Well,
[19:51] <@Ankou> we can always draw it to their attention.
[19:51] <LightRoxas> we could appoint a group to revise the mos
[19:51] <Chitalian> But your MoS remained unchanged.
[19:51] <Infinitimas> True.
[19:51] <@Ankou> We did that when we were still on Wikia.
[19:51] <Darkheart3> i never read the MoS
[19:51] <@Ankou> So we can do that now.
[19:51] <Infinitimas> But many don't even glance at it.
[19:51] <Chitalian> I think it should stay virtually the same.
[19:51] <Dark-EnigmaXIII> Ultimetely, if what you guys understand for merge is just absorbing our content, then that's not a merge. Either we stand in neutral ground and reach a concensus, or we dont merge at all.
[19:51] <Infinitimas> Even if it's in their face
[19:51] <Dark-EnigmaXIII> The Keyhole is the community with the biggest userbase and traffic afterall
[19:52] <Chitalian> GUYS, WE HAVE THE SAME MoS
[19:52] <LegoAlchristmas> DE.
[19:52] <Infinitimas> Exactly the same?
[19:52] <Chitalian> It's not broken, don't fix it.
[19:52] <@Ankou> Thank you, Chitalian.
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[19:52] <LegoAlchristmas> UNderstand that, whike we are merging, we are still moving away from a fan-oriented site.
[19:52] <Chitalian> http://www.khwiki.net/Manual_of_Style
[19:52] <@maggosh> ENX, welcome.
[19:52] <Chitalian> http://kingdomhearts.wikia.com/wiki/Kingdom_Hearts_Wiki:Manual_of_Style
[19:52] <LegoAlchristmas> So the fan concieved notions and speculations on the Keyhold cannot exist on the wiki.
[19:52] <ENX> Thank you, maggosh
[19:53] <LegoAlchristmas> *Keyhole
[19:53] <@Ankou> Welcome aboard, ENX.
[19:53] <Chitalian> Which probably includes Dead Fantasy.
[19:53] <Chitalian> Sorry to all that worked on that >.>
[19:53] <LegoAlchristmas> That isn't speculation, though.
[19:53] <Keyblade0> Yes, you will be op'd shortly.
[19:53] <Chitalian> It does cover unofficial fandom.
[19:53] <LegoAlchristmas> It exists, it's KH, I se no reason why it shouldn't be added.
[19:53] <HikariKH> But the keyhole will still be kept, right?
[19:53] <LegoAlchristmas> *see
[19:53] <Chitalian> That's true.
[19:53] <LegoAlchristmas> The Keyhole will exist, but not in the same form.
[19:53] <KRCCFNF> Someone fill ENX in via PM, not in the main channel.  Unless someone already is.
[19:54] <Chitalian> We have a Cetro y el Reino article, so Dead Fantasy would work too, I guess.
[19:54] <RoxasXIIILK> As a legit fansite
[19:54] <Keyblade0> ^
[19:54] <@Ankou> Yes, provided we make a notifier that it's not canon.
[19:54] <@maggosh> Chit has a point.
[19:54] <@Ankou> But we can do that when editing.
[19:54] <@maggosh> Ankou, yes.
[19:54] <HikariKH> New templates!
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[19:54] <LegoAlchristmas> Absolutely, we can include a "non-canon" notification.
[19:54] <LegoAlchristmas> A new template, perhaps. Or a gameicon.
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[19:55] <Chainoffire_> okay, sorry about that
[19:55] <Darkheart3> New template
[19:55] <Chitalian> The template would catch people's eyes more.
[19:55] <@maggosh> Yes.
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[19:55] <Darkheart3> Dont make a gameicon
[19:55] <@Ankou> I'm thinking along the lines of a template too.
[19:55] <KRCCFNF> Also, I'll finish writing my Nomura article and throw that up somewhere.
[19:55] <Dark-EnigmaXIII> We have one
[19:55] <Chitalian> Gameicon should remain for games, FA, and real life content.
[19:55] <LegoAlchristmas> It was only a suggestion.
[19:56] <@Ankou> I'll admit, it was one which a lot of people might have picked up quite quickly — anything else, in re: articles?
[19:56] <Darkheart3> Dont think so
[19:56] <Keyblade0> Nope.
[19:56] <@Ankou> Chitalian?
[19:56] <LightRoxas> whats next
[19:56] <Chitalian> Don't have anything.
[19:56] <Chitalian> Images and renders.
[19:56] <Keyblade0> OH WAIT.
[19:56] <@Ankou> What?
[19:56] <LegoAlchristmas> Let's keep talking about articles.
[19:56] <Keyblade0> The Maps?
[19:56] <Chitalian> Okay then >.>
[19:56] <Chainoffire_> im sorry for asking this, but what is going on?
[19:56] <LegoAlchristmas> Well, wait, what have we decided so far?
[19:57] <Chitalian> Take the best from both wikis.
[19:57] <LegoAlchristmas> A very important meeting.
[19:57] <Chainoffire_> thank you LA -_-
[19:57] <LegoAlchristmas> What's with the "-_-"?
[19:57] <LegoAlchristmas> Don's shoot the messenger.
[19:57] <@Ankou> That we have an alphabetical list of articles, we go through them and take the best of both wikis, bearing in mind that the content will go into .net.
[19:57] <LegoAlchristmas> And who is to do the merging itself?
[19:57] <Chainoffire_> are there any articles that one site has that the other site doesn't?
[19:57] <Dark-EnigmaXIII> Also, we have a load more of ability articles that were created after the split
[19:58] <@maggosh> I'd like to make a suggestion.
[19:58] <@Ankou> All of us; I thought assignment was supposed to come after this?
[19:58] <LegoAlchristmas> Go.
[19:58] <@Ankou> Go on, Maggosh.
[19:58] <Chainoffire_> go ahead
[19:58] <Chitalian> We have lots of good ability articles too.
[19:58] <LightRoxas> yes, new articles will need to made
[19:58] <@maggosh> Could we carry out what was planned for the Keyhole?
[19:58] <LegoAlchristmas> I seriously doubt everyone will participate in this, looking at how little work there was on the audit.
[19:58] <LightRoxas> in some cases
[19:58] <Dark-EnigmaXIII> We have the ones you dont, Chit.
[19:58] <Chitalian> Linky, please.
[19:58] <Darkheart3> I will participate LEgo
[19:58] <Darkheart3> *Lego
[19:58] <LegoAlchristmas> Elaborate, maggosh?
[19:58] <@maggosh> Make "List of" articles for equipment that only appears exclusive in one game?
[19:58] <LegoAlchristmas> Yay, Darkheart :D
[19:58] <Chaser> like the rings in 358?
[19:59] <Sox|Simba> gimme a sec, Chitalian
[19:59] <Chainoffire_> such as the days equpitment?
[19:59] <LegoAlchristmas> That sounds reasonable.
[19:59] <Chitalian> I'd rather have "List of Articles in THISGAMEHERE"
[19:59] <LightRoxas> yes maggosh sounds good
[19:59] <LegoAlchristmas> On the wikia, you mean.
[19:59] <Darkheart3> :D
[19:59] <Dark-EnigmaXIII> Yes
[19:59] <Sox|Simba> http://kingdomhearts.wikia.com/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&offset=20110901000000&limit=500&contribs=user&target=OATHOBLIVION&namespace=0 scroll down about 1/3
[19:59] <Chitalian> It doesn't even have to be exclusively for one game.
[19:59] <Dark-EnigmaXIII> and give emphasis to forums and news
[19:59] <Sox|Simba> thats not all of them, but its a good portion
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[19:59] <LightRoxas> ive gotta go now
[19:59] <Keyblade0> Ok.
[19:59] <LegoAlchristmas> Farewell.
[19:59] <Keyblade0> See ya, Light Roxas.
[19:59] <Chitalian> All those Re:coded abilities
[19:59] <KRCCFNF> I will volunteer to be evil enforcer of  the new Keyhole.
[19:59] <Chitalian> ?
[19:59] <@maggosh> Such as "List of Rings in 358", yeah.
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[19:59] <@maggosh> "List of Armor in KHII"