Past and Present: fierygt remains terrible at debate

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<n00b515> At what point do you shut this channel down.
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<fierygt> why should it be?
<n00b515> Inactivity.
<fierygt> so?
<n00b515> https://pastebin.com/kwFrkv1n
<Drunkest> fieryUSA is terrible at debate - Pastebin.com ( http://tinyurl.com/mkela9f ), linked by n00b515
<n00b515> Your "so?" reminded me that I previously assessed you as being terrible at debate.
<n00b515> The implication of my answering your question with "Inactivity" is that activity is an essential quality of rooms which should not be shut down.
<fierygt> ahhh.  there it is.  your "that" person.
<n00b515> Then, if you weren't terrible at debate, you'd determine if you agree that activity is an essential part of a channel which should not shut down.
<n00b515> If you agreed, we'd move on.
<n00b515> If you disagreed, we'd explore the basis of your disagreement.
<n00b515> You don't do these things because you're terrible at debate.
<fierygt> i have moved on.  you, obviously are obsessive compulsive, and need psychological help.
<n00b515> Ad hominem fallacy.
<n00b515> A common pattern for those terrible at debate.
<fierygt> still true, though.
<n00b515> I'll add this to the record.
<n00b515> I put you on ignore, fierygt.
<n00b515> Reason: You're terrible at debate.
<n00b515> https://pastebin.com/uTvhqpaD
<Drunkest> fierygt remains terrible at debate - Pastebin.com ( http://tinyurl.com/mdholyd ), linked by n00b515
<n00b515> I'll contrast your behavior with my behavior.
<n00b515> I dredged up something from your unedited past.
<n00b515> Evidence of your prior terribleness at debate.
<n00b515> This can be a fallacy.
<n00b515> However, I presented evidence, and then highlighted the structure of how a reasonable objection to my claim might exist.
<n00b515> That is, intermixing the past, evidence, with being in the present moment/forgiveness.
<n00b515> This is a pattern you should copy.
<n00b515> A kind of synthesis of scientific and Buddhist epistemology.

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<n00b515> At what point do you shut this channel down.
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<fierygt> why should it be?
<n00b515> Inactivity.
<fierygt> so?
<n00b515> https://pastebin.com/kwFrkv1n
<Drunkest> fieryUSA is terrible at debate - Pastebin.com ( http://tinyurl.com/mkela9f ), linked by n00b515
<n00b515> Your "so?" reminded me that I previously assessed you as being terrible at debate.
<n00b515> The implication of my answering your question with "Inactivity" is that activity is an essential quality of rooms which should not be shut down.
<fierygt> ahhh.  there it is.  your "that" person.
<n00b515> Then, if you weren't terrible at debate, you'd determine if you agree that activity is an essential part of a channel which should not shut down.
<n00b515> If you agreed, we'd move on.
<n00b515> If you disagreed, we'd explore the basis of your disagreement.
<n00b515> You don't do these things because you're terrible at debate.
<fierygt> i have moved on.  you, obviously are obsessive compulsive, and need psychological help.
<n00b515> Ad hominem fallacy.
<n00b515> A common pattern for those terrible at debate.
<fierygt> still true, though.
<n00b515> I'll add this to the record.

<z999-> n00b515, you do not give up. let it go.
<n00b515> Is giving up a virtue?
*** n00b515 is now known as Laniakea
<z999-> coming in here night after night, picking fights with people, is not healthy
<Laniakea> When was the last time I came here and picked a fight with somebody?
<Laniakea> I estimate it was about 25 days ago.
<Laniakea> Contend?
<z999-> this is not the first time.
<Laniakea> While you're deciding, What might we infer about the merits of your claim if you feel the need to modify the truth of 25 days to "night after night".
<Laniakea> I would infer you do not feel confident in your position.
<Laniakea> You have proffered a new thesis.
<Laniakea> Have you have abandoned the first?
<z999-> there was a time you came nightly.
<Laniakea> I think that may be true.
<Laniakea> Would you like to know my intention?
<Laniakea> You made a guess at it with "pick a fight".
<Laniakea> Sometimes it can be helpful to have people self-report their self-states.
<z999-> ok go ahead
<Laniakea> My ideal interaction, once seeing fierygt respond, was for him to be as smart or smarter than me.
<Laniakea> I enjoy the presence of smarter people.
<Laniakea> I was saddened after a moment when I realized he was previously terrible at debate.
<Laniakea> Terrible meaning something like "repeated fallacies in a short duration even after being informed by at least two people he was creating multiple fallacies in a short duration".
<Laniakea> Then, I remember that humans don't tend to change too much in their lifetimes.
<Laniakea> And so, then, he would probably still be terrible at debate this evening.
<Laniakea> I gave life to that perception and those emotions by providing a log of his previous terribleness at debate.
<Laniakea> While still being open to having a conversation with him if he could demonstrate an IQ above 115.
<Laniakea> He was unable to do so in the short time in which I was willing to re-evaluate him based off his previous 'betrayals'.
<Laniakea> (In the game theoric sense)
<Laniakea> Then, I was reminded of how this choice of mine is a specific example of a dilemma I have been experiencing in my life.
<Laniakea> Specifically, the Buddhist teaching of being in the present, with the scientific idea of statistically guessing the future based off past observations.
<Fearful> Laniakea: aren't you the illegal?
<Laniakea> And so I provided a possible synthesis of those two worldviews.
<Laniakea> Illegal in what sense?
<Fearful> in terms of here in the us illegally
<Fearful> or w/e
<Fearful> i may be confusing yo uwith somebody else
<Laniakea> Illegal connotes a violation in a pre-existing legal system.
<Laniakea> Which legal system would that be?
<Fearful> usa
<Fearful> <3
<Laniakea> You are asking if my residence in the USA violates American law?
<Fearful> Laniakea: are you the 'undocumented immigrant' ?
<Fearful> i know there was somebody on here before
<Laniakea> Fearful, I am a natural-born citizen of the USA.
<Fearful> not sure ifi twas you
<Fearful> oh
<Laniakea> I may be president one day.
<Fearful> sorry, must have been somebody else.
<Laniakea> Choose your words carefully.
<Fearful> lol
<Laniakea> :D
<Laniakea> Are you an American citizen?
<Fearful> Laniakea: yes.
<Laniakea> What letter grade would you give to the USA as of today?
<Fearful> depends
<Fearful> the biblebelt / south F
<z999-> Laniakea, i think he means if you are a citizen or perm. resident of USA
<Laniakea> I'll give the south a D-.
<Laniakea> z999-, the issue has been resolved.
<Fearful> z999-: there was somebody here or in #hillary a while back
<Fearful> somebody that said they were an illegal / undocumented
<Laniakea> I'd give America a C-.
<Fearful> I thought tht was Laniakea
<Fearful> meh
<Fearful> bad memory
<Laniakea> Fearful, I am a revolutionary philosopher with no moral taboos.
<Laniakea> Also, I have a high IQ and a mistrust of authority.
<Laniakea> Resulting in recurring conflict with most chatrooms.
<Laniakea> Example.
<Laniakea> hypatia is an emotionally unstable person.
<Fearful> lol
<Laniakea> She should not be in charge of other people, due to her emotional status.
<Laniakea> She is in charge, however.
<Laniakea> I tell the truth of her emotional instability and the illegitimacy of her authority of anybody.
<Laniakea> Her and her allies do not feel good at receiving that message.
<Laniakea> And so I become their enemy.
<Laniakea> 'When reality is politically incorrect, mere observation becomes unethical'