(1:33:20 PM) wibla: we don't have to go after everything that's shiny
(1:33:39 PM) wibla: and riling people up in multiple channels about it doesn't actually help us at all
(1:34:42 PM) Bryci: Trying to get someone to respond to what's going on in our FOB.  Not able to get anyone's attention who has ships down here.
(1:35:19 PM) wibla: who gives a shit about some idiot doing shit in our staging system unless we already have HICs and shit ready to go
(1:35:30 PM) wibla: we're doing things in pure blind/fade and using tartoken as a stager
(1:35:47 PM) Bryci: I don't know who does and doesn't have hics in staging.  I have two.
(1:35:53 PM) wibla: you're way too fresh to be calling for dreads off the bat, especially pinging for dreads with no tackle
(1:35:58 PM) Bryci: And who gives a shit about super kills?  I do.
(1:36:04 PM) Bryci: Too fresh?
(1:36:12 PM) Bryci: Dude.  I've been FCing in this game for going on 10 years.
(1:36:19 PM) wibla: I'd rather spend those dreads on killing rorquals in pure blind, because that'll put the fear into our actual targets
(1:36:30 PM) wibla: yeah but you're new in TNT
(1:36:44 PM) Bryci: Is this a meritocracy?
(1:37:10 PM) wibla: I don't even understand what you're trying to achieve by that question, but unless jay told you that you can call for dreads, you're not calling for dreads
(1:38:25 PM) Bryci: What I'm trying to achieve?
(1:38:39 PM) wibla: yes, if that's a legitimate question or if you're trying to piss me off
(1:38:48 PM) wibla: you've been in TNT for 11 days and some change
(1:39:30 PM) wibla: and I'm the shot caller, this is my alliance, I've been running it for over 7 years, so when I tell you not to do a thing
(1:39:34 PM) wibla: you do not do the thing
(1:39:39 PM) Bryci: What did you tell me not to do?
(1:39:52 PM) Bryci: (1:30:04 PM) bryci: Wibla can you ping?
(1:30:13 PM) Wibla: nope
(1:39:56 PM) Bryci: You said you were not going to ping.
(1:40:01 PM) wibla: and when I'm not going to ping
(1:40:05 PM) wibla: that's basically "this aint happening"
(1:40:05 PM) Bryci: So I pinged.  You didn't tell me not to ping.
(1:40:11 PM) wibla: now you kknow
(1:40:27 PM) wibla: know*
(1:41:00 PM) Bryci: And I'm new to this alliance but from what I've seen I'm definitely the most experienced FC you have.
(1:41:41 PM) Bryci: Killing supers would be an event for this alliance and give us some good PR and enthusiasm for the line members, that's why I care about it.
(1:41:58 PM) wibla: you will have to prove yourself here as you would anywhere else
(1:42:03 PM) Bryci: Saying I am going after "anything that's shiny" and speaking to me like I don't know what's going on is patronizing.
(1:42:15 PM) wibla: i don't give very many fucks about your opinions about your own capabilities, you still have to prove them
(1:42:19 PM) wibla: yeah that's tough man
(1:42:42 PM) Bryci: Uh what?  Dude, is this how you speak to people?
(1:42:48 PM) wibla: only people who piss me off
(1:45:14 PM) Bryci: Let's take a step back.
(1:45:27 PM) Bryci: I'm not trying to piss you off.  I'm trying to help your alliance by killing supers.
(1:46:05 PM) Bryci: I just moved a bunch of my personal assets up to Tartoken, the staging for this alliance, to help.
(1:46:53 PM) Bryci: Now, that being said.  I don't feel like I've been disrespectful towards you or anyone else in this organization and I need to also be treated with respect.
(1:47:06 PM) wibla: respect is earned
(1:47:15 PM) wibla: and I know that's a two way street
(1:47:31 PM) wibla: but you joined an established org and you need to learn how it works
(1:47:59 PM) wibla: basically 'lurk before posting'
(1:48:10 PM) wibla: and realizing that you don't get to play the field like everyone knows you and your capabilities
(1:48:13 PM) wibla: because they don't
(1:48:16 PM) wibla: that has to be built
(1:48:31 PM) wibla: but you have to build that reputation block by block, you can't skip steps and say "yo gimme dreads"
(1:48:42 PM) Bryci: Fair enough.  I see that me calling for dreads wasn't a good idea and I will, of course, respect your rules and wishes as alliance HC.
(1:49:37 PM) wibla: well it's my way or the highway
(1:54:53 PM) wibla: so basically there's a few tips I have for you to have a pleasant stay in TNT (as an FC and otherwise)
(1:54:57 PM) wibla: 1. lurk before posting
(1:55:11 PM) wibla: 2. take out chill fleets in our FOB, get people used to your voice and style of FCing
(1:55:14 PM) wibla: 3. don't force it
(1:55:41 PM) wibla: 4. stop posting 'capital intel' in channels outside of fleetcommand
(1:57:33 PM) Bryci: Okay.  Thank you, I will take that under advisement.
(1:57:51 PM) Bryci: You know it occurs to me you and I have never even spoken on voice.
(1:58:02 PM) Bryci: It would be nice to meet you and speak with you sometime.
(1:58:08 PM) wibla: yeah, not tonight
(1:58:11 PM) wibla: also don't ever
(1:58:14 PM) wibla: and I really do mean that
(1:58:16 PM) wibla: don't ever
(1:58:25 PM) wibla: use the phrase "I will take that under advisement"
(1:58:29 PM) wibla: this aint the state department
(1:59:14 PM) Bryci: What does that even mean?
(1:59:27 PM) wibla: that phrase can be twisted into a pretzel
(1:59:29 PM) Bryci: Look Wibla, I think you're creating dragons in your own mind right now.
(1:59:36 PM) wibla: wow
(1:59:48 PM) Bryci: I'm trying to be peaceful with you.  Not antagonize you.
(2:00:02 PM) Bryci: There's no need for all of this controversy.
(2:00:12 PM) wibla: and I simply told you that phrases like that are shit and don't really mean anything (to me)
(2:00:46 PM) Bryci: Fair enough dude but telling me "don't ever use" a phrase with you, that's you trying to intimidate me and I don't even respond to that type of thing.
(2:01:11 PM) wibla: naw, im telling you how something is gonna be
(2:01:12 PM) Bryci: I'm in TNT because I was convinced it was a good idea.  I still think it's a good idea.  But don't talk down to me, it's just you and I here and I'm a 30 year old grown me.
(2:01:13 PM) wibla: (or not be)
(2:01:15 PM) Bryci: man*
(2:01:50 PM) Bryci: Speak to me like you would another man.  I'm not some lackey.
(2:02:00 PM) wibla: I don't really give a damn how old you are, but the fact that you seem to think that it's relevant to the conversation is interesting
(2:02:24 PM) wibla: I'm speaking to a person that in my eyes fucked up something pretty basic
(2:02:37 PM) Bryci: And for that, I already apologized.
(2:02:45 PM) Bryci: So lets move on from it.
(2:04:46 PM) Bryci: I'm here to help you.  If I made a mistake it was due to overzealousness in trying to accomplish that goal.
(2:12:03 PM) Bryci: So are we good?