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- Braviong Ruin has the right argument: we live in the most individualistic society ever, this is what you get. Vapid consumerism and pleasure-seeking. Nothing much grander
- And individualism losing to collectivist narratives within said society or being manipulated is just the way individualism works.
- The only answer to this issue I have ever seen is sort of "we'll try harder" or some other pledge and prayer, rather than re-examining premises. Or of course scapegoating the failure bu ascribing mythical powers to whatever collectivist force exists at the time.
- Groups exist. We can observe them and their effect on what is around them. We even have word for them. Jaden-Smoth tier denialism is not a good idea.
- But this isnt something you sincerely believe. It's just an attempt to disarm me by keeping out a whole realm of evidence for my ideas. SJWs try to reorient the conversation as well.
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