(23:09) Piexplode: yea the teams just like big 4 + lapras + rhydon and I decided that
(23:09) Piexplode: egg and rhy and lappy none of them were suitable leads
(23:09) Piexplode: and chansey with
(23:09) Piexplode: sing/boltbeam/sb
(23:10) Piexplode: was a better lead for it
(23:10) Raish: yeah when I realized there was no para
(23:10) Piexplode: since it gives me 2 sleepers and
(23:10) Raish: I was reallyhappy
(23:10) Piexplode: on teams where there's like
(23:10) Piexplode: jynx/gar leads
(23:10) Raish: you lose to any sleep lead though
(23:10) Piexplode: I don't need it as much
(23:10) Piexplode: for specials
(23:10) Piexplode: so I can usually take it to sleep absorb
(23:10) Piexplode: and then get aggressive on the physical side
(23:10) Raish: the problem with the team is
(23:10) Piexplode: + use the synergies of the egg/rhy/lap core
(23:10) Raish: lapras and rhydon are both meant to kill paralyzed things
(23:10) Piexplode: yea
(23:11) Raish: and not running a fast specialist or tw on chansey
(23:11) Raish: makes para really hard to come by
(23:11) Piexplode: I mostly wanted it to be like
(23:11) Piexplode: lappy beating lax
(23:11) Piexplode: egg+rhydon synergy
(23:11) Piexplode: and a late game lax
(23:11) Piexplode: but yea it's more
(23:11) Raish: but most people don't fight lax in lapras if they have a chansey
(23:11) Piexplode: hyper aggressive but slow
(23:11) Piexplode: tru
(23:11) Piexplode: mm
(23:11) Piexplode: any suggestions to
(23:11) Piexplode: improve on the team?
(23:12) Piexplode: I realised that
(23:12) Piexplode: egg/lap/rhy was a cool core
(23:12) Piexplode: in some ways
(23:12) Raish: might need to give up tbolt on that chansey for tw
(23:12) Piexplode: like defensively
(23:12) Piexplode: okay
(23:12) Raish: you've got it on lapras
(23:12) Raish: and you could run mega drain eggy for more anti water
(23:12) Raish: not sure what your 4th move was on him
(23:12) Raish: problem then though is
(23:12) Raish: if they run sleep lead
(23:12) Raish: who takes sleep for you
(23:12) Raish: because if it's chansey, eggy needs stun spore
(23:13) Piexplode: I had stun but I was open to suggested changes
(23:13) Piexplode: yea I was
(23:13) Piexplode: running stun on egg
(23:13) Piexplode: and chansey to take sleep
(23:13) Raish: then just realize starmie is going to wreck you
(23:14) Raish: like I'm crap with starmie
(23:14) Raish: and that's the best starmie game I've had in a while
(23:14) Piexplode: starmie is weird I'm finding it's hard to use
(23:14) Raish: because I never felt worried about getting it para'd
(23:14) Raish: yeah
(23:14) Raish: it's great at taking damage
(23:14) Raish: but horrible at taking status
(23:14) Piexplode: yea I've noticed that when playing against it
(23:15) Piexplode: but luckily
(23:15) Piexplode: starmie is very rarely not a lead
(23:15) Raish: eh depends
(23:15) Piexplode: annd when it is a lead generally chansey doesn't
(23:15) Piexplode: take sleep
(23:15) Raish: yeah
(23:15) Piexplode: yea non lead starmie tends to be with zam lead anyway
(23:15) Raish: or gar
(23:15) Piexplode: it's pretty rare otherwise
(23:15) Raish: because gar draws earthquake
(23:15) Piexplode: with gar?
(23:15) Piexplode: ah I guess
(23:15) Raish: and starmie loves switching in on earthquakes
(23:16) Raish: it'll often run surf blizzard
(23:16) Piexplode: except when they crit and ohko
(23:16) Raish: or hydro pump
(23:16) Raish: crit eq doesn't 1hko
(23:16) Raish: or at least not usually
(23:16) Piexplode: still, I think slept chansey can help with that one without it being disasterous
(23:17) Raish: yeah as long as you outplay your opponent
(23:17) Raish: but it can lead to you getting wrecked by tauros getting free switch ins in the mid-late game
(23:17) Raish: because you don't have any recoverable hp outside chansey
(23:17) Raish: so you'll get chipped down hard
(23:17) Piexplode: yea agreed
(23:17) Piexplode: chip or be chipped
(23:18) Raish: and the main way you beat recoverers when you can't is para
(23:18) Raish: like my main team
(23:18) Raish: zam takes sleep
(23:18) Raish: chansey is the only recoverer
(23:18) Raish: but my team is designed to force para spread as much as possible
(23:18) Piexplode: mm
(23:18) Piexplode: so do you think
(23:18) Piexplode: my team is good
(23:18) Piexplode: ?_?
(23:18) Raish: then runs rhydon as the pokemon who most appreciates paralyzed opponents
(23:18) Raish: and makes tauros shine
(23:18) Raish: it has weaknesses
(23:19) Raish: that can be overcome by good play
(23:19) Raish: but the risk/reward is in the favor of your opponent whenever they start with a sleep lead
(23:19) Piexplode: yeah
(23:19) Piexplode: okay cool i'll keep
(23:19) Piexplode: this one banked then
(23:20) Raish: so I made my current team
(23:20) Raish: because when people counterpick my main team, they remove all their electric
(23:21) Raish: because they know I've got rhydon and no waters
(23:21) Raish: so this team is really strong when facing no electric
(23:21) Piexplode: ah nice
(23:22) Piexplode: I must admit I tend to play rock and 0/1 waters
(23:22) Piexplode: but still
(23:22) Piexplode: I don't think anyone can
(23:22) Piexplode: counterstyle me really so
(23:22) Piexplode: I jus wanna have
(23:22) Piexplode: as many teams as I can to pick from
(23:22) Piexplode: counterstyle if I need
(23:22) Raish: well I can note which mons you're not good with
(23:23) Raish: and use mons that are usually countered by those
(23:23) Piexplode: ah
(23:23) Piexplode: do you know
(23:23) Piexplode: what mons I'm not good with?
(23:23) Piexplode: you probably know more than me
(23:23) Raish: let me look at my notes haha
(23:23) Piexplode: lel
(23:24) Piexplode: probably would go through pm logs
(23:24) Piexplode: tbh idek what mons
(23:24) Piexplode: I am bad with
(23:24) Raish: you tend not to get your reflect zams to get good value
(23:24) Raish: I get you to switch them out after they're para'd and slightly chipped
(23:24) Raish: then next time you try to bring it in, I counter it and turn it into huge profit for my team
(23:25) Piexplode: nice
(23:25) Raish: also you've never won a game with slowbro against me
(23:25) Piexplode: no I won the ridiculously long one we had didn't we?
(23:25) Raish: oh yeah sorry didn't take notes on that one
(23:25) Raish: because my hand hurt
(23:25) Piexplode: ooh wow
(23:26) Piexplode: you literally do
(23:26) Piexplode: take notes
(23:26) Piexplode: nice
(23:26) Raish: 56 pages so far lol
(23:26) Raish: from the past 3 years
(23:26) Piexplode: very nice
(23:26) Raish: yeah
(23:26) Raish: when I can put my opponent's strategy into words, it makes it much easier to logic out what to do against them
(23:26) Raish: like that waters team beat marco
(23:27) Piexplode: so to be honest you probably
(23:27) Piexplode: know my strategy
(23:27) Piexplode: better than I do
(23:27) Raish: because I noticed that he'd caught on to how I try to switch eggy into tauros hbeam with sleep
(23:27) Raish: probably haha
(23:27) Raish: but you switch teams too much
(23:27) Raish: for me to get a good fix
(23:27) Piexplode: :]
(23:27) Piexplode: :p
(23:27) Raish: but yeah
(23:27) Raish: I know that I can rely on you not to pressure me too much
(23:27) Piexplode: yeah indeed
(23:27) Raish: when it would be a big risk
(23:28) Raish: you counterswitch for small advantages more
(23:28) Piexplode: so next time I play you I know
(23:28) Piexplode: how to play in a way that
(23:28) Piexplode: you don't expect me to
(23:28) Piexplode: ;)
(23:28) Raish: yup
(23:28) Raish: except that I took notes on this conversation
(23:28) Raish: lol
(23:28) Piexplode: ofc it's a bit of a mindgame if I expect you to expect that
(23:28) Piexplode: well yea obviously you oughta
(23:28) Piexplode: we're friends but in a battle we're opponents too
(23:28) Raish: yeah
(23:29) Piexplode: ^_^
(23:29) Piexplode: to be honest though there's still
(23:29) Piexplode: so little that I feel
(23:29) Piexplode: I can play with comfortably and well
(23:29) Raish: like that's how I knew how to get value with zapdos against you even though you had rhydon
(23:29) Piexplode: although I had a couple of really great battles versus marco recently
(23:29) Raish: cool
(23:29) Raish: well you're definitely improving quickly
(23:29) Raish: we've all been playing a lot longer
(23:30) Piexplode: that's really good :)
(23:30) Piexplode: to be honest it's not even my main focus, RBY, I mean
(23:30) Piexplode: until recently my main tier was XY Ubers anyway
(23:30) Piexplode: although i've quit it now
(23:30) Piexplode: but I have other pokemon projects that
(23:30) Piexplode: to an extent
(23:30) Piexplode: take more precedent
(23:30) Raish: yeah
(23:30) Piexplode: if RBY is in SPL then expect me to
(23:30) Piexplode: dedicate more time to RBY
(23:30) Piexplode: ;)
(23:30) Raish: but you're definitely a great part of our community
(23:30) Piexplode: but otherwise I'll ust be
(23:30) Piexplode: going at my own pace
(23:30) Piexplode: that's good :)
(23:31) Raish: the more people we have playing regularly, the more people feel like it's worth it to come on
(23:31) Raish: and it snowballs
(23:31) Piexplode: yea
(23:31) Piexplode: :3
(23:31) Piexplode: ggfan said about the community
(23:31) Piexplode: being at its best
(23:31) Piexplode: that its ever been
(23:31) Raish: well when I first joined
(23:31) Raish: I think our regulars were a bit more regulra
(23:31) Piexplode: lol also idk if u saw lol but on pokemon perfect I called ggfan a qt3.14 xD
(23:31) Raish: but we've got more players since PO
(23:31) Raish: lol
(23:32) Piexplode: ah you're from NBS then?
(23:32) Raish: yeah
(23:32) Raish: learned from waterwizard
(23:32) Piexplode: I actually do have NBS even though i've not really player properly for all that long
(23:32) Piexplode: nice
(23:32) Piexplode: I think I'd say I've probably
(23:32) Piexplode: learnt most of my RBY
(23:32) Piexplode: from marco
(23:32) Raish: yeah PO is better at this point
(23:32) Raish: well he's good to learn from
(23:32) Piexplode: indeed
(23:32) Raish: definitely has a new style
(23:32) Piexplode: what do you mean by that?
(23:33) Raish: a lot of old openers are less common now
(23:33) Raish: metagame has shifted dramatically
(23:33) Raish: especially eggy sets
(23:33) Piexplode: yea I'm not sure how much I can comment on that
(23:33) Raish: rest was much more popular
(23:33) Piexplode: but the old standard I remember when I joined was
(23:33) Raish: and so was double edge with explosion
(23:33) Piexplode: zam/rhy/big 4 which is
(23:33) Piexplode: fairly rekt by lapras
(23:33) Piexplode: mm I sometimes ran egg bomb + explosion
(23:33) Raish: yeah that's still considered the standard
(23:33) Raish: but fewer people run standard because it's considered overdone
(23:34) Piexplode: tbh I think I virtually always run stun spore/psy/exp/sleep unless
(23:34) Raish: but now it's just me and Isa running it regularly haha
(23:34) Piexplode: unless I see particular need
(23:34) Piexplode: I don't really care if standard's overdone
(23:34) Piexplode: in RBY your choice is
(23:34) Raish: yeah I love MD
(23:34) Piexplode: limited
(23:34) Piexplode: so I feel like
(23:34) Piexplode: best to become
(23:34) Piexplode: a god with standard
(23:34) Piexplode: really
(23:34) Raish: yeah I mean that's how I top ladder so often
(23:35) Raish: and then marco runs the lapras that's good against it
(23:35) Raish: especially because my chansey doesn't have tb
(23:36) Piexplode: ah
(23:36) Raish: the thing is
(23:36) Raish: he often trades his lax for my chansey
(23:36) Raish: so then at that point I feel ok trading my lax for his lapras
(23:37) Piexplode: mhm?
(23:37) Raish: do you ever run rest?
(23:37) Piexplode: not really
(23:37) Piexplode: I tried it out when I started
(23:37) Piexplode: but at the moment I'm not
(23:37) Piexplode: comfortable with rest on much
(23:37) Piexplode: although i've just started considering
(23:38) Piexplode: rest rhydon
(23:38) Piexplode: lol
(23:38) Piexplode: since its 4th move
(23:38) Piexplode: you don't get much out of usually
(23:38) Raish: I get soooo much out of sub
(23:38) Piexplode: sub possibly, hyper beam possibly
(23:38) Piexplode: I dunno sometimes I get a lot out of sub
(23:38) Raish: but it's cuz of how para based my team is
(23:38) Piexplode: it depends on the game though
(23:38) Raish: yeah
(23:38) Raish: the earlier you use rhydon, the worse sub is
(23:38) Raish: the later the better
(23:38) Piexplode: yea
(23:38) Raish: especially if you're using it post tauros
(23:38) Piexplode: post?
(23:39) Raish: after the tauros ditto has already happened
(23:39) Piexplode: ahh
(23:39) Piexplode: I guess I'm tired for not understanding what you meant straight away
(23:39) Raish: we also could just have different writing styles
(23:39) Piexplode: yeah probably, although I'm generally pretty comfortable with how you write
(23:40) Piexplode: battling luutra now :p
(23:40) Piexplode: *lutra
(23:40) Raish: haha nice got the zam
(23:40) Piexplode: :]
(23:41) Piexplode: not sure if I should aim for
(23:41) Piexplode: sleeping chansey
(23:41) Piexplode: I think I'm gonna
(23:41) Piexplode: go for blizz for nowthough
(23:41) Piexplode: sometimes u jus gotta
(23:41) Piexplode: experiment
(23:41) Raish: yeah
(23:42) Raish: yeah that's what i said about not staying in
(23:42) Raish: lol
(23:42) Piexplode: lol
(23:42) Piexplode: I wasn't sure
(23:43) Piexplode: anyway lutra's probably a lot less used to my way of playing
(23:43) Raish: use sleeping chansey as pressure
(23:43) Piexplode: howso?
(23:43) Raish: to get someone in without taking damage
(23:43) Raish: you could have gone lapras
(23:43) Piexplode: yea I should have
(23:43) Raish: for another freeze chance on chansey
(23:43) Raish: or done the lax ditto
(23:43) Piexplode: the team aims for
(23:43) Piexplode: lappy vs lax
(23:44) Raish: problem is you've gotta keep running when chansey doesn't get frozen
(23:44) Raish: that was a good time for lax
(23:44) Piexplode: ugh tru
(23:44) Raish: lax is supposed to beat chansey
(23:44) Raish: especially confuysed chansey
(23:44) Raish: lax is also how you get your early game para spread
(23:44) Raish: so lapras can actually beat chansey with parafusion
(23:45) Raish: because now lapras takes70% switching into lax
(23:45) Raish: ouch reflect
(23:45) Piexplode: yea
(23:45) Piexplode: got bummed
(23:45) Piexplode: o_o
(23:45) Raish: ah my set haha
(23:46) Raish: you've gotta think about what conditions you need to set up to win the game
(23:46) Raish: and aim for those goals
(23:46) Piexplode: yeah definitely
(23:47) Piexplode: I'm really far behind
(23:47) Raish: because right now it seems like you were going for whatever was the best vs who your facing
(23:47) Raish: rather than trying to punish his switch well
(23:47) Piexplode: mm risk/reward
(23:47) Raish: tauros range is the most obvious goal to aim for
(23:49) Raish: omg he's running my team!
(23:49) Raish: just realized!
(23:49) Piexplode: rofl
(23:57) Raish: so yeah that's another mon you need to work on
(23:57) Raish: snorlax
(23:57) Piexplode: mm yea
(23:57) Piexplode: I have
(23:57) Piexplode: good games
(23:57) Raish: best way to punish chanseys
(23:57) Piexplode: and bad games
(23:57) Piexplode: with lax
(23:58) Raish: I feel like a lot of the time, you take damage to get him in
(23:58) Piexplode: that's true but that's usually because I've made a misplay
(23:58) Raish: but if you could switch him in like you do with tauros
(23:58) Piexplode: it's not intentional
(23:58) Raish: then he'd rock
(23:58) Piexplode: yea I usually try and switch him like tauros
(23:59) Piexplode: but I usually
(23:59) Piexplode: am dumb
(23:59) Piexplode: lax is basically an early game tauros
(23:59) Raish: because I think your late game is good because you're an above average tauros player
(23:59) Piexplode: lapras is an early game snorlax
(23:59) Raish: eh sort of
(23:59) Piexplode: I know it's
(23:59) Piexplode: not strictly true
(23:59) Piexplode: lol
(23:59) Piexplode: it depends on the team
(23:59) Raish: lapras's early game is rng dependent
(23:59) Raish: so you can use it that way
(23:59) Raish: but I prefer using it as a late game sweeper
(23:59) Piexplode: but I think lapras is the only mon that really gives you a good chance of
(23:59) Piexplode: a late game snorlax
(23:59) Raish: kind of like the special version of rhydon
(00:00) Piexplode: yeah true
(00:00) Raish: my chansey gives you late game snorlax
(00:00) Raish: like vs Isa, I kept lax alive over 100 turns
(00:01) Raish: also a huge part of lax is getting hyper beam value
(00:01) Raish: so many players never use his hbeam
(00:01) Piexplode: I'll set kid a battle and see if he's up for one and we can try and not choke thsi time :)
(00:01) Piexplode: oh I love
(00:01) Raish: lol
(00:01) Piexplode: his h beam
(00:01) Piexplode: more unpredictable than tauros's too imo
(00:02) Raish: yeah
(00:02) Raish: because bslam is such a solid option
(00:02) Piexplode: indeed
(00:02) Piexplode: h beam nets you a lot of nice stuff at least though ;)
(00:03) Raish: ok gotta take it easy on my hands now
(00:03) Raish: but I'll definitely watch if you have another battle!
(00:03) Piexplode: that's cool lol
(00:03) Piexplode: :)
(00:03) Piexplode: now that I finally get the hands comment xD
(00:03) Piexplode: :)
(00:04) Raish: yeah
(00:04) Raish: they're so fucked up
(00:04) Raish: my whole body is
(00:04) Raish: 7 damaged joints
(00:04) Raish: used to do 1 handed pullups and run 12 miles easy before
(00:04) Piexplode: I'm not much of a one for exercise xD
(00:05) Piexplode: my girlfriend is
(00:05) Piexplode: lol
(00:05) Raish: haha cool
(00:05) Raish: does she do any gaming?
(00:05) Piexplode: which is cool but idk hopefully in time I want my exercise to be from growing plants for food :)
(00:05) Raish: I got into this when one of my girlfriends introduced me to nbs
(00:05) Piexplode: yea she's on here too :p
(00:05) Piexplode: purple piplup
(00:05) Piexplode: oh nice
(00:05) Raish: oh cool! ok your old comment makes sense
(00:05) Piexplode: lol
(00:05) Piexplode: yea it would now
(00:05) Piexplode: lel
(00:06) Piexplode: tbf I know other cute users who I speak to in a similar way though xD
(00:06) Piexplode: mostly PS users though