emma borhanian & kelsey piper

lintamande: I read Lex's blog sometimes, when I've deliberately decided I have the time and energy to do so, and i get valuable things out of doing so. I basically always drop out of a discord conversation if an incomprehensible person enters it because it is very unlikely to happen to be at a moment when I have the time and energy to figure them out
skinnersboxy: @lintamande I was under the impression that Sapir-Whorf was basically wrong. I would be shocked if merely being capable of communicating in somni-style made your epistemics worse. Are you claiming this, or are you claiming something closer to "the people who learn to talk this way tend to become friends with people in the somni-cluster, and so tend to bad outcomes the way being friends with hurt people usually do", or something else entirely?
lintamande: combination of two things. one is that, yes, people's "this person is manipulating me and coercing me" detectors ping, at glass in particular, and asking people to turn down their 'this person is manipulating me and coercing me' detectors is a big ask and not always good for them
lintamande: the other one is that .... to pick on Brent again, successfully communicating with Brent involved building this extremely complex model of the inner Brents and the fight between the inner Brents and categorizing other people using Brent's categorization scheme (which valued them in proportion to how valuable to Brent they were) and not identifying things as "lying" that you'd identify as lying in other contexts because you've learned to interpret Brent as metaphor
lintamande: so I do think that trying to engage with a framework can be bad for your epistemics in approximately that fashion and I'm reaaaaaallly protective of my ontology these days
lintamande: I'm trying pretty hard to not equivocate between 'this person is manipulating me and coercing me' and 'this person is weird but harmless'
lintamande: I think that when glass said the things they said, it was impossible to tell whether they were harmlessly weird or manipulatively coercive, and that was why people reacted as if they were potentially coercive. if it were actually easy to tell, that'd be great