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  1. [12:22] +lov ech ants: Lets try and not use
  2. [12:22] +JdRDMS: we have to have electricvally
  3. [12:22] +lov ech ants: Rotomf
  4. [12:22] +aeem: rotomf is a must
  5. [12:22] +Aleccat: electricvally or luxray
  6. [12:22] +spooktune: Ampharos
  7. [12:22] ★5gen: i was thinking of using CB GOlem-A
  8. [12:22] +Aleccat: and then rotom f is essential
  9. [12:22] +Union Caboche: frosttom obviously, it's an electric mon which is able to pressure ground types
  10. [12:22] ★5gen: Golem*
  11. [12:22] +spooktune: Graveler-A > Golem-A
  12. [12:22] +Aleccat: ok can we for sure put down frostom
  13. [12:22] +Aleccat: ?
  14. [12:22] +spooktune: tbh when is ZU getting Eelektross
  15. [12:23] +lov ech ants: Evire pressured grounds
  16. [12:23] +aeem: how does !code work tho?
  17. [12:23] +lov ech ants: Hp grass bop
  18. [12:23] +Union Caboche: golem-alola isn't bad either
  19. +lov ech ants left
  20. [12:23] +Aleccat: also guys
  21. +lov ech ants joined
  22. [12:23] +aeem: pom pom?
  23. [12:23] +Aleccat: zebstrika is cool
  24. [12:23] +Union Caboche: it would be sr golem-alola ?
  25. [12:24] +275p: Ampharos maybe?
  26. [12:24] +Union Caboche: sr magnet pull ?
  27. [12:24] +Union Caboche: ampharos sucks
  28. [12:24] +Aleccat: band sr golem a i like
  29. [12:24] +Aleccat: a lot
  30. [12:24] +aeem: eletrik is good enuf
  31. [12:24] +aeem: tbh
  32. [12:24] +aeem: but what does mp do
  33. [12:24] +aeem: tho
  34. [12:24] +aeem: thier are barely any steel types
  35. [12:24] +Aleccat: bronzor is common though
  36. (The poll has ended – scroll down to see the results)
  37. (A poll was started by 5gen.)
  38. [12:24] +Aleccat: rotom frost
  39. [12:24] +Aleccat: duh
  40. [12:24] +aeem: levi
  41. [12:24] +aeem: tho
  42. [12:25] +aeem: duggie beats it with speed
  43. [12:25] +aeem: imo
  44. [12:25] +aeem: we need eletrik
  45. [12:25] +aeem: levi
  46. [12:25] +aeem: + no weak to rock/steel
  47. (The poll timer was set to 3 minute(s) by 5gen.)
  48. The poll timer was turned on: the poll will end in 3 minute(s).
  49. [12:26] +JdRDMS: go electricvally
  50. [12:26] +Aleccat: i want luxray next
  51. [12:26] +Aleccat: building totally conventially is stupid imo
  52. [12:27] +aeem: ik but
  53. [12:27] +aeem: ok
  54. [12:27] +JdRDMS: yeah the point of a ccat is to build something new
  55. [12:27] +aeem: we all know rotomf is essential tho
  56. [12:27] +Union Caboche: luxray isn't that bad actually
  57. [12:27] +JdRDMS: like memes
  58. [12:28] +Aleccat: silvally electric or luxray would be really cool to build around
  59. [12:28] +Union Caboche: silvally eelctric doesnt really fit in an electric spam imo
  60. [12:28] +a fruitshop owner: Yea but frost is such a staple
  61. [12:28] +a fruitshop owner: Makes ur team better
  62. [12:28] +Aleccat: oh no we're definitely doing frost first
  63. [12:28] +Aleccat: i voted it
  64. [12:28] +aeem: and eletrik lol
  65. [12:29] +aeem: levi and not weak to rock/steel
  66. [12:29] ★5gen: poll should end soon
  67. [12:29] +aeem: the prefect meme
  68. [12:29] +aeem: perfect*
  69.  Poll ended Pick the first Electric-type
  70.  
  71. 1. Electivire (0 votes)
  72.  0%
  73. 2. Rotom-Frost (5 votes)
  74.  56%
  75. 3. Ampharos (0 votes)
  76.  0%
  77. 4. CB Golem-A (2 votes)
  78.  22%
  79. 5. Luxray (1 vote)
  80.  11%
  81. 6. Silvally-Electric (1 vote)
  82.  11%
  83. 7. Zebstrika (0 votes)
  84.  0%
  85. [12:29] +a fruitshop owner: Good
  86. (A poll was started by 5gen.)
  87. [12:29] +a fruitshop owner: We picking frost set no?
  88. [12:29] ★5gen: after
  89. [12:30] +aeem: ig that
  90. [12:30] +a fruitshop owner: Ok
  91. +lov ech ants left
  92. [12:30] +Union Caboche: we need something which isn't walled by the same things ig, i would choose for a physical mon
  93. [12:30] +JdRDMS: Go! Go! POWER RANGERS Electricvally!!!
  94. [12:30] +Aleccat: which is why silv electric might not work
  95. [12:30] +Aleccat: hm
  96. [12:31] +Aleccat: then again voltturning
  97. [12:31] +aeem: https://pokepast.es/3c59b5ac2cb78626 for rotomf
  98. [12:31] +Aleccat: dank
  99. [12:31] +aeem: again
  100. [12:31] +Aleccat: tied
  101. [12:31] +JdRDMS: doesn't frosty have a hex set
  102. [12:31] +Aleccat: 3-3-3
  103. [12:31] +Aleccat: LOL
  104. [12:31] +aeem: eletrik does the same thing but better
  105. [12:31] ★5gen: one more vote to break the tie
  106. [12:31] +JdRDMS: that can 2HKO seaking
  107. [12:31] +aeem: seaking
  108. [12:32] +aeem: isn't a problem if grass-z is in
  109. [12:32] +aeem: a set
  110. [12:32] +Union Caboche: well actually 9 people on 10 voted
  111. [12:32] +JdRDMS: watch someone vote for none of those
  112. [12:32] +275p: lol
  113. [12:32] +a fruitshop owner: Why electric vally
  114. [12:32] ★5gen: !poll display
  115. (The poll has ended – scroll down to see the results)
  116. [12:32] +Aleccat: what happens if there is a tie
  117. [12:32] +JdRDMS: revote with just those
  118. [12:33] +a fruitshop owner: What does vally do
  119. [12:33] ★5gen: i'll reduce the votes to just those three
  120. [12:33] +a fruitshop owner: Ofc
  121. [12:33] +Aleccat: silv electric
  122. [12:33] +Aaronboyer: Ice Beam
  123. [12:33] +Aleccat: ok
  124. [12:33] ★5gen: rip
  125. [12:33] +aeem: lol
  126. [12:33] +a fruitshop owner: We have frost
  127. [12:33] +aeem: gg
  128. [12:33] +JdRDMS: YEET!
  129. [12:33] ★5gen: no cb golem-a today
  130. [12:33] +quagsgone: :(
  131.  Poll ended Pick the second Electric-type
  132.  
  133. 1. Electivire (0 votes)
  134.  0%
  135. 2. Ampharos (0 votes)
  136.  0%
  137. 3. CB Golem-A (3 votes)
  138.  30%
  139. 4. Luxray (3 votes)
  140.  30%
  141. 5. Silvally-Electric (4 votes)
  142.  40%
  143. 6. Zebstrika (0 votes)
  144.  0%
  145. (The poll was ended by 5gen.)
  146. [12:33] +a fruitshop owner: Why you need vally for ice beam
  147. [12:33] +aeem: actually
  148. [12:33] +a fruitshop owner: Hello
  149. [12:33] +Aaronboyer: grass pledge
  150. [12:33] +aeem: put golem in
  151. [12:33] +a fruitshop owner: To hit what
  152. [12:33] +Aaronboyer: parting shot
  153. [12:33] ★5gen: ok so we are building around
  154. [12:33] +aeem: memes
  155. [12:33] +Aleccat: we need a physical mon
  156. [12:33] +aeem: eletrik
  157. [12:34] +aeem: pls
  158. [12:34] +Union Caboche: [18:33:53] ★5gen: ok so we are building around
  159. [12:34] +Union Caboche: [18:33:54] +aeem: memes
  160. [12:34] +Union Caboche: accurate
  161. [12:34] ★5gen: Rotom-Frost and Silvally-Electric
  162. [12:34] +aeem: xd
  163. [12:34] ★5gen: which set do we want for frostom?
  164. [12:34] +275p: Icium
  165. [12:34] +JdRDMS: electricum
  166. [12:34] +Aleccat: scarf
  167. [12:34] +a fruitshop owner: Sub split
  168. [12:34] +aeem: sub-burn
  169. [12:34] +aeem: ^
  170. [12:34] ★5gen: well let's think
  171. [12:34] +Aleccat: we need scarf bc silvally electric is like
  172. [12:34] +Union Caboche: sub split is the best set actually but i guess it will depend about the speed control we have
  173. [12:34] +aeem: honestly i like sub split
  174. [12:34] ★5gen: since we have silv-electric to support it
  175. [12:35] +Aleccat: i mean if we build further we can get a more accurate answer tbh
  176. [12:35] +JdRDMS: actually no
  177. [12:35] +Aleccat: because scarf isn't necessary if we have other speed control
  178. [12:35] +JdRDMS: !learn rotom-frost, water, special
  179. Move 'water' not found.
  180. [12:35] +JdRDMS: !ms rotom-frost, water, special
  181. Matching moves found in learnset for Rotom-Frost:
  182. No moves found.
  183. [12:35] +Union Caboche: vally-electric ;.;
  184. [12:35] +aeem: sub split can take out golem lead
  185. [12:35] +JdRDMS: well rip
  186. [12:35] +a fruitshop owner: Why water move
  187. [12:35] +aeem: waterium?
  188. [12:35] +JdRDMS: for ground stuffs
  189. [12:35] +Aleccat: >hp water
  190. [12:35] +a fruitshop owner: You have blizzard
  191. [12:35] +Aleccat: LOL
  192. [12:35] +a fruitshop owner: Hello
  193. [12:35] +aeem: BRUH
  194. [12:35] +quagsgone: lmao
  195. [12:35] +aeem: ig u
  196. [12:36] +JdRDMS: that's not that accurate tbf
  197. [12:36] ★5gen: alright peeps
  198. [12:36] +a fruitshop owner: Dont miss
  199. [12:36] +aeem: >https://pokepast.es/3c59b5ac2cb78626 first one
  200. [12:36] +JdRDMS: and when it is it's only one time
  201. [12:36] +aeem: never misses
  202. [12:36] +quagsgone: lets go for subsplit
  203. [12:36] +JdRDMS: actually hex
  204. [12:36] ★5gen: we can always change the set later if we need it to be scarf
  205. [12:36] +quagsgone: no hex is kind of a waste I feel
  206. [12:36] +aeem: why hex lol
  207. [12:36] +a fruitshop owner: No
  208. [12:36] +aeem: i agree with quag
  209. [12:36] +JdRDMS: 2HKOs seaking
  210. [12:36] +Aleccat: yeah tru 5gen
  211. [12:36] +JdRDMS: Tack has one
  212. [12:37] +JdRDMS: beat 5gen with it apparently
  213. [12:37] ★5gen: that's specs though with tspikes support i think
  214. [12:37] +a fruitshop owner: I dont want frost to niche checj seaking
  215. [12:37] +aeem: sub split is better and electricvally can deal with it with gp
  216. [12:37] ★5gen: why hex if we might have silv-electric to grass pledge it
  217. [12:37] +JdRDMS: true
  218. [12:37] +Aleccat: yeah gp electricvally can deal with seaking right
  219. [12:37] +Aleccat: so why hex
  220. [12:38] +JdRDMS: i'm like this: decent at battling, shit at building
  221. [12:38] ★5gen: so we going with sub split rotom-f?
  222. [12:38] +Aleccat: specs
  223. [12:38] +Aleccat: omg
  224. [12:38] +aeem: yea
  225. [12:38] +aeem: sub split
  226. [12:38] +aeem: smh Alekkkat
  227. [12:38] +Aleccat: subsplit is fine ig
  228. [12:38] +aeem: u ran stall tho
  229. [12:38] +Aleccat: of course i run stall
  230. [12:38] +Aleccat: it's the best playstyle
  231. [12:38] +Aleccat: even when it's not meta
  232. [12:38] +aeem: can i ban someone
  233. [12:39] +JdRDMS: no
  234. [12:39] +aeem: lol
  235. [12:39] +aeem: worth the try
  236. [12:39] +JdRDMS: lol
  237. [12:39] +a fruitshop owner: Stall is for people who have too much time so they waste others
  238. [12:39] +Aleccat: that's accurate
  239. [12:39] Froasty was invited (and promoted to Room Voice) by 5gen.
  240. [12:39] +JdRDMS: if you were at least mod then you could
  241. [12:39] +Aleccat: omg hi
  242. +Froasty joined
  243. [12:39] +JdRDMS: sup frost
  244. [12:39] +JdRDMS: or froast
  245. [12:40] +Froasty: So where we at?
  246. [12:40] ★5gen: !code
  247. See code...
  248. [12:40] +Aleccat: first set
  249. [12:40] ★5gen: no we have to choose a silvally-electric set
  250. [12:40] +Union Caboche: Frosttom + Vally-Electric for an electric spam
  251. [12:40] ★5gen: now*
  252. [12:40] +Aleccat: subsplit frostom
  253. [12:40] +a fruitshop owner: 1 broken mon 1 wasted slot
  254. [12:40] +Froasty: Why vally electric over evire?
  255. [12:40] ★5gen: oof
  256. [12:40] +aeem: lol
  257. [12:40] +aeem: XD
  258. [12:40] +JdRDMS: whatever this is
  259. [12:40] +Aleccat: ok we already decided grassy pledge silvally-electric
  260. [12:40] +JdRDMS: https://pokepast.es/0291e984a83e9b75
  261. [12:40] +aeem: ^
  262. [12:40] ★5gen: that's what was voted on froasty
  263. [12:40] +JdRDMS: also qc really
  264. [12:40] +Aleccat: because we're not taking the ez route froasty
  265. [12:40] +aeem: uturn tho
  266. [12:40] +Union Caboche: vally-electric was cuter i guess
  267. [12:40] +JdRDMS: silvally-grass?
  268. [12:40] +aeem: i don't want defiant
  269. [12:41] +aeem: hurting
  270. [12:41] +aeem: elevally
  271. [12:41] +aeem: ^nickname
  272. [12:41] ★5gen: ok so do we need grass pledge here for seaking
  273. [12:41] +Aleccat: yes
  274. [12:41] +Aleccat: absolutely
  275. [12:41] +JdRDMS: yes
  276. [12:41] +aeem: gp is not optional imo
  277. [12:41] +Aleccat: not in this case at least
  278. [12:42] +aeem: ofc
  279. [12:42] ★5gen: so then what do we drop, pivoting or defog or ice beam?
  280. [12:42] +aeem: defog
  281. [12:42] +aeem: others can do it
  282. [12:42] +a fruitshop owner: Icebeam
  283. [12:42] +Aleccat: pivoting right
  284. [12:42] +aeem: like chime
  285. [12:42] +Union Caboche: dont play chimecho plz
  286. [12:42] +Aleccat: we could drop ice beam actually
  287. [12:42] +Froasty: Well, to be fair evally isn't optimal. If you want to use another defogger like lurantis you could drop defog
  288. [12:43] +aeem: ^
  289. [12:43] +aeem: defog isn't really needed
  290. [12:43] +aeem: ice beam is
  291. +275p left
  292. [12:43] +a fruitshop owner: We have frost tho
  293. [12:43] +Aleccat: what do we even need ice beam for
  294. [12:43] +Aleccat: we have frost
  295. [12:43] ★5gen: ice beam allows it to bust through gabite and grass-types
  296. [12:43] +JdRDMS: grass pledge tho
  297. [12:43] +aeem: ^
  298. [12:43] +JdRDMS: rip
  299. [12:43] +a fruitshop owner: Go to frost on them
  300. [12:43] +Aleccat: why not flamethrower if anything
  301. [12:43] +Aleccat: and then why not go to frostom
  302. [12:43] +a fruitshop owner: Plus its common knowledge people have icebeam
  303. [12:43] +aeem: imo
  304. [12:43] +a fruitshop owner: So why would it be in
  305. [12:44] +aeem: flame doesn't do much
  306. +275p joined
  307. [12:44] +aeem: but a worst ice beam
  308. [12:44] +Froasty: The team's going to be public, so building with lures and such doesn't work
  309. [12:44] +Union Caboche: /coverage ice, electric, table
  310. [12:44] +aeem: and
  311. [12:44] ★5gen: !code
  312. See code...
  313. [12:44] +JdRDMS: yes
  314. [12:44] +aeem: boltbeam has that coverage
  315. [12:44] +a fruitshop owner: Yes
  316. [12:45] +aeem: nah
  317. [12:45] +aeem: no defog tho
  318. [12:45] +JdRDMS: yea
  319. [12:45] +aeem: ice beam is needed imo
  320. [12:45] +aeem: and others can defog
  321. [12:45] +Aleccat: we don't know if we have another defogger yet tho
  322. [12:45] +aeem: k
  323. [12:45] +Aleccat: i think that set's fine for now
  324. [12:45] ★5gen: we can always swap defog for something if need be
  325. [12:45] +aeem: should we come back to it
  326. [12:45] +Aleccat: ^
  327. [12:46] ★5gen: https://pokepast.es/5d4fce4ea66c0f5c team as of now
  328. [12:46] ★5gen: everyone ok with this?
  329. [12:47] +Aleccat: yes
  330. [12:47] +aeem: ye
  331. [12:47] +JdRDMS: defog is an optional move on frostom's sample
  332. [12:47] +275p: It s good enough
  333. [12:47] +quagsgone: agree
  334. [12:47] +aeem: sr weak tho
  335. [12:47] +Aleccat: we don't need additional defog atm
  336. [12:47] +aeem: *atm
  337. [12:47] +aeem: ^^^
  338. [12:47] ★5gen: so now what gives the core trouble
  339. [12:47] +Aleccat: also subsplit has 4mss
  340. [12:47] +Union Caboche: well, silvally-electric, except to beat seaking, didnt bring anything for the electric spam but i guess it's okay
  341. [12:47] +Aleccat: let's look through a rank mons
  342. [12:47] +a fruitshop owner: Tr fat L
  343. [12:47] +275p: We need still a fighting type counter
  344. [12:47] +Union Caboche: anything which counters frosttom which is not seaking
  345. [12:47] +Union Caboche: aka
  346. [12:47] +Aleccat: slap on mareanie?
  347. [12:47] +Aleccat: ?
  348. [12:47] +Froasty: Lickilicky is unbreakable
  349. [12:47] +aeem: ^
  350. [12:47] +aeem: lol
  351. [12:48] +Union Caboche: muk, regice, kecleon, bronzor, licky,
  352. [12:48] +aeem: mareanie is also like a staple
  353. [12:48] +Union Caboche: grumpig
  354. [12:48] +Aleccat: actually
  355. [12:48] +Froasty: No speed control
  356. [12:48] +Aleccat: maybe we should stay away from a poison type
  357. [12:48] +Aleccat: because ground weakness from silv elec
  358. [12:48] ★5gen: so would a physical wall breaker be the next addition
  359. [12:48] ★5gen: or some speed
  360. [12:48] +aeem: golem/mon
  361. [12:49] +aeem: could do it
  362. [12:49] +Froasty: Something to break licki, speed control, tspike absorber, rock setter
  363. [12:49] +Aleccat: wp golem
  364. [12:49] +aeem: XD
  365. [12:49] +aeem: also
  366. [12:49] +aeem: i feel that rotom shouldn't have the z move
  367. [12:49] +Aleccat: i mean for tspike absorber we should totally do mareanie or muk if we're going down that route
  368. [12:49] +Union Caboche: more than something to break licki, something to break special answers to electric types
  369. [12:49] +Aleccat: then go muk
  370. [12:50] +aeem: muk
  371. [12:50] +Froasty: Oh, yeah, need to be able to break muk too
  372. [12:50] +aeem: golem?
  373. [12:50] +Union Caboche: i feel that silvally electric shouldn't be here
  374. [12:50] +a fruitshop owner: Yes
  375. [12:50] +Union Caboche: mmh
  376. [12:50] +Aleccat: omg same union
  377. [12:50] +a fruitshop owner: Its a wated slot
  378. [12:50] +Aleccat: but we voted on it
  379. [12:50] +aeem: elevally seems limiting
  380. [12:50] +Aleccat: ^^
  381. [12:50] +Union Caboche: roselia can actually poison absorbing and set up spikes
  382. [12:50] +Union Caboche: which is nice
  383. [12:51] ★5gen: should we go back on the silv-electric spot or no?
  384. [12:51] +Aleccat: idk then we have an additional fire weakness
  385. [12:51] +aeem: but ground weak lol
  386. [12:51] +Union Caboche: but well, for the moment, the problem is to break special sponges
  387. [12:51] +Aleccat: do a quick poll 5gen
  388. [12:51] +quagsgone: yes 5gen
  389. [12:51] +aeem: about about
  390. [12:51] +JdRDMS: let's do grassy
  391. [12:51] +JdRDMS: nvm
  392. (The poll has ended – scroll down to see the results)
  393. (A poll was started by 5gen.)
  394. [12:51] +aeem: whiscash
  395. [12:51] +JdRDMS: remember last time tho?
  396. [12:51] +aeem: lol
  397. [12:51] +Froasty: Well, if you want to pair two electric types then generally the only two that go together are evire and frost
  398. [12:51] +aeem: bye felicia
  399. [12:51] +Aleccat: frost and any electric work decent in theory froasty
  400.  Poll ended Give up on Silvally-Electric
  401.  
  402. 1. Yes (7 votes)
  403.  78%
  404. 2. No (2 votes)
  405.  22%
  406. (The poll was ended by 5gen.)
  407. [12:51] +Union Caboche: Frosttom + Electivre/Luxray/Golem-A Band work
  408. [12:52] +Aleccat: though that is the best
  409. [12:52] +Union Caboche: but a physical one
  410. [12:52] +Aleccat: i think we should do luxray or golem a
  411. [12:52] +a fruitshop owner: Golem n_n
  412. [12:52] +Aleccat: evire is too conventional
  413. [12:52] +JdRDMS: golem a
  414. [12:52] +aeem: golem
  415. [12:52] +Froasty: Nah, golem shares that fighting weakness
  416. [12:52] +aeem: but
  417. [12:52] +Aleccat: luxray then
  418. [12:52] +a fruitshop owner: We have 3 fighting types.
  419. [12:52] +Aleccat: luxray is optimal here of the 33
  420. [12:52] +Aleccat: *3
  421. [12:52] +a fruitshop owner: Who cares
  422. [12:52] +Froasty: They're all A rank or higher tho
  423. [12:52] +Union Caboche: none of them switch on fighting type anyway
  424. (The poll has ended – scroll down to see the results)
  425. (A poll was started by 5gen.)
  426. [12:53] +Froasty: It's more for avoiding a monferno sweep
  427. [12:53] +aeem: Shall we make a new TV series
  428. [12:53] +Aleccat: if we throw in golem a we can maybe do mareanie actually
  429. [12:53] +Froasty: Or combusken
  430. [12:53] ★5gen: we can check fighting-types i think with the four other slots
  431. [12:53] +a fruitshop owner: Smack grumpig
  432. [12:53] +Froasty: Yeah but why have two elecs that lose to the same things?
  433. [12:53] +a fruitshop owner: Fixed
  434. [12:53] +aeem: "Dealing with ZU"
  435. [12:53] +aeem: or something
  436. [12:54] +Aleccat: wait
  437. [12:54] +275p: Great idea aaem
  438. [12:54] +Aleccat: if we do golem a are we doing rocks with band
  439. [12:54] +Aleccat: or no
  440. [12:54] +275p: Who will be the main cast though?
  441. [12:54] +aeem: we are the type of peeps that cant decide on 1 ev lol
  442. [12:54] +a fruitshop owner: I dunno rocks band
  443. [12:54] ★5gen: golem-a can bust through seaking, bronzor, and special walls for frostom while frostom can check grass-types and oppopsing ground-types
  444. [12:55] +Aleccat: fine i change my vote then
  445. [12:55] +Aleccat: let's do golem a
  446. [12:55] ★5gen: like all we need to do is deal with fighting-types which isn't too difficult
  447. [12:55] +aeem: ~rocks scarf~
  448.  Poll ended Pair Frostom with who?
  449.  
  450. 1. Electivire (1 vote)
  451.  14%
  452. 2. CB Golem-A (4 votes)
  453.  57%
  454. 3. Luxray (2 votes)
  455.  29%
  456. (The poll was ended by 5gen.)
  457. [12:55] +Aleccat: right 5gen and then we put in mareanie
  458. [12:55] +aeem: mareanie
  459. [12:55] +aeem: ofc
  460. [12:55] +a fruitshop owner: Or pig
  461. [12:55] +Aleccat: then we have a tspikes absorber
  462. [12:55] +Froasty: If you didn't want mare you would have had to pick evire :x
  463. [12:55] ★5gen: meant to make poll end in 1.5
  464. [12:56] +JdRDMS: lol
  465. [12:56] +aeem: lmao
  466. [12:56] +Aleccat: ok so we're doing cb golem a
  467. [12:56] +Aleccat: what's the set
  468. [12:57] ★5gen: !code
  469. See code...
  470. [12:57] ★5gen: thoughts?
  471. [12:57] +JdRDMS: looks cool
  472. [12:57] +Aleccat: fire punch for bronzor no?
  473. [12:57] +a fruitshop owner: Doesnt return do more
  474. [12:58] +Aleccat: someone calc
  475. [12:58] +Union Caboche: it does
  476. [12:58] +aeem: kk
  477. [12:58] +a fruitshop owner: It has to
  478. [12:58] +aeem: nvm
  479. [12:58] +aeem: damn union
  480. [12:58] +aeem: u quick
  481. [12:58] +Union Caboche: well its just
  482. [12:58] +Froasty: 1.2*1.5*102 vs 75*2
  483. [12:58] +Union Caboche: yeah
  484. [12:58] ★5gen: 252+ Atk Choice Band Galvanize Golem-Alola Return vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Eviolite Bronzor: 234-276 (73.5 - 86.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
  485. [12:58] +aeem: ok worth
  486. [12:58] +Union Caboche: froasty shows the calc
  487. [12:58] +Aleccat: so volt switch k
  488. [12:58] +a fruitshop owner: I like vswitch
  489. [12:58] +aeem: ^
  490. [12:59] +Union Caboche: i mean return stab > fire punch super effective
  491. [12:59] +aeem: m o m e n t u m
  492. [12:59] +Union Caboche: even without galvanize
  493. [12:59] +Froasty: That being said, outsped by standard seaking
  494. [12:59] +Union Caboche: so with galvanize, that's obvious
  495. [12:59] ★5gen: https://pokepast.es/812a42a0b0a9dc1d team rn
  496. [12:59] +aeem: jolly?
  497. [12:59] +aeem: cuz
  498. [12:59] +Aleccat: also look at this
  499. [12:59] +Aleccat: 252+ Atk Choice Band Golem-Alola Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Eviolite Tangela: 151-178 (45.2 - 53.2%) -- 34.4% chance to 2HKO
  500. [12:59] +Aleccat: 252+ Atk Choice Band Golem-Alola Fire Punch vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Eviolite Tangela: 150-178 (44.9 - 53.2%) -- 32.8% chance to 2HKO
  501. [12:59] +aeem: wow
  502. [12:59] +Aleccat: same difference
  503. [12:59] +aeem: that's
  504. [12:59] +Aleccat: sad
  505. [12:59] +aeem: shcoking
  506. [12:59] +Union Caboche: mmh, i would play Explosion on earthquake/stone edge even if it means you're weak to golem
  507. [13:00] +Union Caboche: but that's just me
  508. [13:00] ★5gen: as froasty pointed out, we need a way to handle fighting-types
  509. [13:00] +Aleccat: mareanie
  510. [13:00] +Aleccat: :D
  511. [13:00] +aeem: ^
  512. [13:00] +aeem: u already know
  513. [13:00] +aeem: mareanie feels like a staple imo
  514. [13:00] ★5gen: i was also thinking grumpig or fat oricorio-baille, but mare is more reliable here
  515. [13:01] ★5gen: covers water-types too
  516. [13:01] +JdRDMS: fantom would work if we didn't have frostom
  517. [13:01] +Aleccat: if we have fat oricorio baile we have 2 sr weak mons
  518. [13:01] ★5gen: true
  519. [13:01] +Aleccat: that's true too jd
  520. [13:01] +Froasty: Yeah, with the heavy weakness to monferno it's non-optional to not use mare atm
  521. [13:01] +Froasty: Have to use it
  522. [13:02] +a fruitshop owner: Lampent
  523. [13:02] +aeem: lol
  524. [13:02] +aeem: XD
  525. [13:02] ★5gen: so we running toxic or tspikes
  526. [13:02] +Union Caboche: i would play more agressively
  527. [13:02] +Union Caboche: but nevermind
  528. [13:02] +Aleccat: tspikes
  529. [13:02] +Union Caboche: (actually lampent is the only mon to counter chatot specs, monferno and lurantis in one slot)
  530. [13:02] +Aleccat: i think
  531. [13:02] +aeem: fo some reason i can only play bal
  532. [13:02] +a fruitshop owner: Mhmm
  533. [13:02] +a fruitshop owner: Cool mon ;)
  534. [13:03] +aeem: lampent w/ what item
  535. [13:03] +quagsgone: evio
  536. [13:03] +a fruitshop owner: Eviol ofc
  537. [13:03] +Froasty: Nah, no lampent
  538. [13:03] +a fruitshop owner: Smh
  539. [13:03] +a fruitshop owner: Yea
  540. [13:03] +Aleccat: lampent adds to our sr weakness
  541. [13:03] +a fruitshop owner: More ground weak too
  542. [13:03] +aeem: again
  543. [13:03] +Union Caboche: it dies very quickly, that's the biggest issue
  544. [13:03] +a fruitshop owner: Not good idea
  545. [13:03] +aeem: we do have a silvally slot
  546. [13:03] ★5gen: team as of now https://pokepast.es/ceb9a9c4327aa3d0
  547. [13:03] +aeem: so defog
  548. [13:03] +Froasty: Silvally isn't a golem counter at any time
  549. [13:04] +Froasty: Even grassvally fears stone edge
  550. [13:04] ★5gen: key issues rn
  551. [13:04] +aeem: oh
  552. [13:04] +aeem: lol
  553. [13:04] +aeem: bronzor helps
  554. [13:04] ★5gen: speed control, need sr, and hazard removal
  555. [13:04] +aeem: bronzor+mareanie core
  556. [13:04] +aeem: i rokc w/ it
  557. [13:04] +aeem: rock*
  558. [13:04] +Union Caboche: we dont need hazard removal actually
  559. [13:04] +Union Caboche: not too much
  560. [13:04] ★5gen: makes the team too slow/passive imo
  561. [13:04] ★5gen: if we add bronzor
  562. [13:04] +Froasty: Well, if you want defot then phys def lur slots in nicely
  563. [13:04] +Union Caboche: we need rocks though
  564. [13:04] +aeem: but
  565. [13:04] +Aleccat: yeah i agree with 5gen
  566. [13:05] +Aleccat: we want this to be balance-like
  567. [13:05] ★5gen: abomasnow is kinda scary too
  568. [13:05] +aeem: the main issue is the ground weak
  569. [13:05] +a fruitshop owner: Thoughts on mime
  570. [13:05] +Froasty: *defog
  571. [13:05] +a fruitshop owner: For speed control
  572. [13:05] +aeem: icy wind :]
  573. [13:05] +Union Caboche: mime is nice y
  574. [13:05] +quagsgone: agree with mime
  575. [13:05] +aeem: ^
  576. [13:05] +Union Caboche: but rocks is the first problem
  577. [13:05] +Froasty: Your speed control has to break stuff like evire
  578. [13:05] +Aleccat: the problem with mime as a licki check also is that good lickis run normalium z
  579. [13:05] +Union Caboche: and maybe dont be 6-0 by golem
  580. [13:06] +Froasty: And rapidash
  581. [13:06] +a fruitshop owner: Golem beats licki no
  582. [13:06] +Aleccat: does it?
  583. [13:06] +aeem: check
  584. [13:06] +Froasty: Evire and Rapid especially are big problems rn
  585. [13:06] +a fruitshop owner: Band return
  586. [13:06] +Aleccat: run calcs
  587. [13:06] +Aleccat: probably
  588. [13:06] +a fruitshop owner: Im on mobile
  589. [13:06] +a fruitshop owner: So
  590. [13:06] +a fruitshop owner: Im guessing
  591. [13:06] +Aleccat: yeah
  592. [13:06] +Union Caboche: yeah it does lol
  593. [13:06] +Aleccat: 2hko guaranteed
  594. [13:06] +Union Caboche: it's golem band
  595. [13:06] +Aleccat: ok
  596. [13:06] +Aleccat: so we only need
  597. [13:06] +aeem: again i feel ground weak is the bigger problem
  598. [13:06] +Aleccat: speed control atm
  599. [13:06] +Union Caboche: we can play gabite sr
  600. [13:06] ★5gen: 252+ Atk Choice Band Galvanize Golem-Alola Return vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Lickilicky: 322-379 (75.9 - 89.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
  601. [13:07] +a fruitshop owner: Ez
  602. [13:07] +Aleccat: gabite sr fits in really nicely actually
  603. [13:07] +a fruitshop owner: I hate gabite as a mon
  604. [13:07] ★5gen: duggy-a seems appealing for rapidash and electivire but it adds little defensive utility
  605. +Union Caboche left
  606. [13:07] ★5gen: i like gabite here too
  607. [13:07] +Froasty: Yeah, gabite helps with rapid, although evires are still a danger and often run scarf
  608. +Union Caboche joined
  609. [13:07] +Aleccat: evire is always a danger because of its massive coverage
  610. [13:08] +Union Caboche: we dont need defense utility
  611. [13:08] +Union Caboche: we need a reliable rocker
  612. [13:08] ★5gen: we need to cover electivire in the last two slots
  613. [13:08] +aeem: gabite is that lol
  614. [13:08] ★5gen: everyone ok with adding gabite?
  615. [13:08] +aeem: ^
  616. [13:08] +aeem: ye ye
  617. [13:08] +Aleccat: well what would be the alternatives
  618. [13:08] +Union Caboche: golem shuca berry
  619. [13:08] +spooktune: yh
  620. [13:08] +a fruitshop owner: No
  621. [13:08] +Aleccat: you can run golem and golem a?
  622. [13:08] +Union Caboche: ah
  623. [13:08] +Union Caboche: true
  624. [13:08] +Union Caboche: so none
  625. [13:08] ★5gen: no
  626. [13:08] +Aleccat: ok then i guess gabite
  627. [13:09] +Union Caboche: crustle could work maybe
  628. [13:09] +aeem: nah
  629. [13:09] +Aleccat: marshtomp
  630. [13:09] +Aleccat: gabite for sure it's the only option
  631. [13:09] +a fruitshop owner: Biberal
  632. [13:09] +a fruitshop owner: Ez rocks
  633. [13:09] +aeem: 5gen, what does the team look like rn
  634. [13:09] ★5gen: !code
  635. See code...
  636. [13:09] +Aleccat: wait bibarel has rocks wtf
  637. [13:09] +Union Caboche: gabite is nice against volt turn too
  638. [13:09] ★5gen: this set ok?
  639. [13:09] +a fruitshop owner: Yea
  640. [13:09] +aeem: ye
  641. [13:09] +Aleccat: yes
  642. [13:09] +Froasty: 180 HP/248 def
  643. [13:09] +quagsgone: y
  644. [13:09] +a fruitshop owner: Gabite is best option
  645. [13:09] ★5gen: didn't go toxic since mareanie is the tspiker
  646. [13:10] +Froasty: Well, rn the gabite can't hit a frost, and mare is also weak to frost
  647. [13:10] +Aleccat: yeah we need a frost + evire check
  648. [13:10] ★5gen: https://pokepast.es/b631044b6caa7c80
  649. [13:11] ★5gen: let's list some major threats rn
  650. [13:11] +aeem: evire still
  651. [13:11] +Union Caboche: we need speed control
  652. [13:11] +a fruitshop owner: Tr
  653. +Aaronboyer left
  654. [13:11] +aeem: ice punch
  655. [13:11] ★5gen: electivire, opposing frostom, abomasnow, lack of speed
  656. [13:11] ★5gen: np mime
  657. [13:11] +Aleccat: how does team do vs bouf
  658. [13:11] +Froasty: Missing defog as well
  659. [13:11] +Aleccat: ?
  660. [13:11] +Union Caboche: defog isn't mandatory
  661. [13:11] +aeem: we need a vally imo
  662. [13:11] +a fruitshop owner: Bouf may be an oof
  663. [13:12] +Union Caboche: yeah lets play vally electric imo
  664. [13:12] +Froasty: It's highly preferable to not abandon defog on any team that isn't hail or dedicated spike stack
  665. [13:12] +Aleccat: yeah we also fail against av bouf
  666. +lov ech ants joined
  667. [13:12] +Union Caboche: i was kidding
  668. +Union Caboche joined; +lov ech ants and +Union Caboche left
  669. [13:12] +Union Caboche: we have toxic spikes + rock
  670. [13:13] +Union Caboche: that's okay
  671. [13:13] +Froasty: It's not dedicated, however
  672. [13:13] +Union Caboche: except against roselia match up, we aren't really threated by hazards
  673. [13:13] +Froasty: Well, right now we're at one hazard weak and two hazard neutral mons
  674. +lov ech ants joined; +lov ech ants left
  675. [13:13] +Froasty: And also suffer speed control issues against webs
  676. [13:14] +Aleccat: actually gabite kind of handles bouf
  677. [13:14] +Union Caboche: we play pain split frosttom
  678. [13:14] ★5gen: maybe we go scarf frostom
  679. [13:14] ★5gen: and last two slots become more flexible
  680. [13:14] +Aleccat: scarf frostom
  681. [13:14] +Aleccat: yes
  682. [13:14] +Froasty: Or evire over golem
  683. [13:15] +Aleccat: no
  684. +lov ech ants joined
  685. [13:15] +Union Caboche: actually
  686. +lov ech ants left
  687. [13:15] +Aleccat: actually
  688. [13:15] +Union Caboche: we could play SR golem-a
  689. [13:15] +Aleccat: we might have to go bronzor over gabite
  690. [13:15] +Union Caboche: in forcing switchins
  691. [13:15] +Union Caboche: no
  692. [13:15] ★5gen: like we can go scarf frostom then maybe defog lurantis and a wincon
  693. [13:15] +Aleccat: omg sr golem-a with band
  694. [13:15] +Aleccat: LOL
  695. [13:15] +Union Caboche: yeah
  696. [13:16] +Union Caboche: it's a possibility
  697. [13:16] +Union Caboche: we can play that 5gen i guess
  698. [13:16] +Union Caboche: we're more weak to frosttom though
  699. [13:16] ★5gen: yeah it's tough
  700. [13:17] +Aleccat: we could do something like uh
  701. [13:17] +Aleccat: silv fire?
  702. [13:17] +Aleccat: for defog
  703. [13:17] +Aleccat: no
  704. [13:17] +Aleccat: then ground weak
  705. [13:18] +aeem: water
  706. [13:18] +Union Caboche: i wont play defog on that team but i'm a minority here
  707. [13:18] ★5gen: we have mare and a big electric type weakness if we do that
  708. [13:18] +aeem: fighting
  709. [13:18] +aeem: or dragon
  710. [13:19] +Union Caboche: mmh
  711. [13:19] +Union Caboche: i guess if defog is really an issue
  712. [13:19] +Union Caboche: it's to play chatot scarf defog
  713. [13:19] ★5gen: dragon doesn't help with mime or frostom
  714. [13:19] +Aleccat: or we could do scarf defog frostom
  715. [13:19] +Aleccat: like normal ppl
  716. [13:20] +Aleccat: then again
  717. [13:20] ★5gen: giving up trick isn't worth it imo
  718. [13:20] +Aleccat: sr weakness
  719. [13:20] +Aleccat: that too
  720. [13:20] +Aleccat: hm
  721. [13:20] +Union Caboche: chatot defog brings speed control, a correct match up against web and defog
  722. [13:20] +Aleccat: we become more frostom weak if we do that
  723. [13:20] +Aleccat: i think we should go with a frostom check first
  724. [13:20] ★5gen: hold on
  725. [13:20] +Aleccat: before defog
  726. [13:21] +aeem: sil fighting will do
  727. [13:21] +Froasty: Scarf defog is golem weak
  728. [13:21] +Union Caboche: we have on our frosttom to deal with frosttom
  729. [13:21] ★5gen: we can go scarf chatot and then make frostom icium z wisp+defog or pain split
  730. [13:21] +Aleccat: but our frostom doesn't have hp fire
  731. [13:21] +Union Caboche: we have pain split
  732. [13:21] +aeem: and sub split is perfectly ok imo
  733. [13:21] +Aleccat: oh true
  734. [13:21] +Aleccat: pain split
  735. [13:21] +Aleccat: yeah i guess that works
  736. [13:21] +Aleccat: okay so we still have to deal with evire
  737. [13:22] +aeem: imo fightvally is needed
  738. [13:22] +aeem: whiscash :]
  739. [13:22] +Aleccat: electivire, obomasnow, scarf needed
  740. [13:22] +aeem: bruh
  741. [13:22] +Aleccat: omg av whiscash
  742. [13:22] +Aleccat: icon
  743. [13:22] +aeem: run that fightvally
  744. [13:23] +aeem: and then scarf whis
  745. [13:23] +Aleccat: spdef fightvally sounds like an unset
  746. [13:23] +aeem: not spdef
  747. [13:23] +aeem: but sd?
  748. [13:23] +aeem: to break rotomf and oboma
  749. [13:23] +Aleccat: 252 SpA Abomasnow Blizzard vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Silvally-Fighting: 148-175 (44.7 - 52.8%) -- 82.8% chance to 2HKO after hail damage
  750. [13:24] +Aleccat: sd wouldn't do well vs obama
  751. [13:24] +aeem: fightvally is faster
  752. [13:24] +Aleccat: not than scarf
  753. [13:24] +aeem: oh
  754. [13:24] ★5gen: https://pokepast.es/25c2708c0da38c53 team as of now
  755. [13:24] +Aleccat: scarf is primary obama set
  756. [13:24] +aeem: peeps run scarf
  757. [13:24] +aeem: wow
  758. [13:24] +aeem: fightvally
  759. [13:24] +aeem: pls
  760. [13:24] +aeem: bulky tho
  761. [13:24] +Aleccat: u change gabite evs 5gen
  762. [13:25] +Union Caboche: defog over chatter imo
  763. [13:25] +Aleccat: ^
  764. [13:25] +Froasty: Really struggles with golem
  765. [13:25] ★5gen: oh right
  766. [13:25] ★5gen: defog
  767. [13:25] +aeem: [11:54] +aeem: we are the type of peeps that cant decide on 1 ev lol
  768. [13:25] +aeem: i was rite
  769. [13:25] ★5gen: !code
  770. See code...
  771. [13:26] +aeem: fightvally
  772. [13:26] ★5gen: i'm feeling yache lurantis too tbh
  773. [13:26] +aeem: no sr weak
  774. [13:26] +Union Caboche: gabite can switch into golem
  775. [13:26] ★5gen: lemme calc some stuff
  776. [13:26] +Union Caboche: lurantis can work
  777. [13:26] +aeem: can break obama
  778. [13:26] +Union Caboche: but we're really slow
  779. [13:26] +Aleccat: yache lurantis
  780. [13:26] +Aleccat: that's cute
  781. [13:26] ★5gen: 252+ Atk Golem Earthquake vs. 248 HP / 0 Def Silvally-Fighting: 178-210 (45.2 - 53.4%) -- 89.8% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock
  782. [13:27] +Union Caboche: gabite handles
  783. [13:27] +aeem: ^
  784. [13:27] +Union Caboche: i mean, it can switch certainly one time
  785. [13:27] +aeem: fight is for the scarf obama
  786. [13:27] +Union Caboche: earthquake max attack (which isn't so common) does certainly about 40%
  787. [13:27] +Union Caboche: max
  788. [13:27] +aeem: flame charge
  789. [13:27] ★5gen: 252+ Atk Golem Earthquake vs. 248 HP / 124 Def Silvally-Fighting: 156-184 (39.6 - 46.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock
  790. [13:28] ★5gen: ok if we have gabite for golem
  791. [13:28] +Union Caboche: 252+ Atk Golem Earthquake vs. 180 HP / 248+ Def Eviolite Gabite: 108-127 (33.5 - 39.4%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
  792. [13:28] ★5gen: then i'll adjust the spread for abomasnow
  793. [13:28] +aeem: check fightvally vs obama with flame charge
  794. [13:28] +Aleccat: what about yache lurantis tho
  795. [13:28] +Aleccat: q-q
  796. [13:28] +Froasty: Why would you want flame charge over multi attack?
  797. [13:28] +Union Caboche: (but we are mime weak)
  798. [13:28] +aeem: not over
  799. [13:28] +aeem: with
  800. [13:29] +Froasty: Why would you want that?
  801. [13:29] ★5gen: 252 SpA Abomasnow Blizzard vs. 248 HP / 16 SpD Silvally-Fighting: 145-172 (36.8 - 43.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock and hail damage
  802. [13:29] +quagsgone: silvally dragon also spams draco
  803. [13:29] +quagsgone: not common tho
  804. [13:29] ★5gen: flame charge isn't worth it
  805. [13:29] ★5gen: no dragon resist does suck
  806. [13:29] +aeem: sd/mutli/fc/filler
  807. [13:29] ★5gen: nah
  808. [13:29] +Aleccat: mime is a problem if we go fightvally
  809. [13:29] ★5gen: we need it with defog, u-turn, and stab
  810. [13:30] +Union Caboche: even if we choose chatot aleccat
  811. [13:30] ★5gen: mime is a big problem
  812. [13:30] +Union Caboche: but vally fighting cannot be our last mon
  813. [13:30] +aeem: 252 Atk Silvally-Fighting Flame Charge vs. 0 HP / 0- Def Abomasnow: 248-296 (77.2 - 92.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
  814. [13:30] +Aleccat: why not just multi attack
  815. [13:30] +Aleccat: lol
  816. [13:30] +aeem: the out speed next turn
  817. [13:31] +aeem: 252 Atk Silvally-Fighting Multi-Attack vs. 0 HP / 0- Def Abomasnow: 336-396 (104.6 - 123.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
  818. [13:31] +aeem: i didn't say replace
  819. [13:31] +aeem: multi + flame charge is a good idea
  820. [13:31] +aeem: to beat obama
  821. [13:32] +Union Caboche: how is the team right now 5gen ?
  822. [13:32] +Aleccat: yache lurantis or riot
  823. [13:32] +aeem: n o t
  824. [13:32] +aeem: lol
  825. [13:32] +Aleccat: >shiinotic
  826. +275p left
  827. [13:33] +quagsgone: gl with rest of team I gtg
  828. +quagsgone left
  829. [13:34] ★5gen: https://pokepast.es/04d5c122e5f79ffa
  830. [13:34] ★5gen: what i have now
  831. [13:34] +aeem: that's fine
  832. [13:34] +Union Caboche: we dont need silvally-fighting
  833. [13:34] +Aleccat: ^
  834. [13:34] +Aleccat: we don't
  835. [13:34] +Union Caboche: we dont need an other defoger
  836. [13:34] +Aleccat: we have chatot
  837. [13:34] +aeem: wydm?????
  838. [13:34] ★5gen: we might need to rework
  839. [13:34] +Aleccat: there's no need
  840. [13:34] +Union Caboche: well
  841. [13:34] +aeem: defog isn't needed
  842. [13:34] +Union Caboche: we're 6-0 by mime
  843. [13:34] +Froasty: Personally I think alolem is what holds the team back
  844. [13:34] +aeem: put flame charge
  845. [13:34] +Union Caboche: so kecleon over silvally-fighting
  846. [13:34] +Aleccat: what we need is something to deal with mr meme
  847. [13:35] +Union Caboche: and kecleon can switch into Obama scarf blizzard
  848. [13:35] ★5gen: that's true to an extent froasty but it's what we have to build around
  849. [13:35] ★5gen: we can remove silv-fighting
  850. [13:35] +Aleccat: if we do kecleon over silv fighting we could maybe replace gabite too
  851. [13:35] ★5gen: but we need an answer to golem and aboma
  852. [13:35] +Aleccat: rocks kek at least
  853. [13:35] +Aleccat: true
  854. [13:35] +Froasty: Then you're really rapidash weak
  855. [13:36] ★5gen: ^
  856. [13:36] +Union Caboche: AV Kec
  857. [13:36] +Aleccat: yeah i know
  858. [13:36] +Union Caboche: is better
  859. [13:36] +Aleccat: ok i guess we could do av
  860. [13:36] +Aleccat: just a suggestion
  861. [13:36] +Union Caboche: Just SS/Drain Punch/Knock Off/filler
  862. [13:36] +aeem: [11:54] +aeem: we are the type of peeps that cant decide on 1 ev lol
  863. [13:36] +aeem: *the last mon
  864. [13:36] ★5gen: thoughts on sub sd bouff as last mon?
  865. [13:36] +Aleccat: we just did
  866. [13:37] +aeem: * a good last mon
  867. [13:37] +Union Caboche: it could work too but idk if it switches well on Obama and mime
  868. [13:37] +Aleccat: why sd over av
  869. [13:37] +Aleccat: because focus miss mr meme
  870. [13:37] ★5gen: true. av isn;t too hot in this meta
  871. [13:37] ★5gen: isn't*
  872. [13:38] ★5gen: so we going kecleon in the last slot?
  873. [13:38] +Aleccat: we should probably just stick with kek
  874. [13:39] ★5gen: https://pokepast.es/3e6f922398a78ced
  875. [13:40] ★5gen: final product y/n
  876. [13:40] +Union Caboche: it fits for me
  877. [13:40] +Aleccat: i mean
  878. [13:41] +Aleccat: it looks like the best we're going to get it
  879. [13:41] +Aleccat: wait
  880. [13:41] +Aleccat: nvm
  881. [13:41] +Aleccat: was about to say sub dugtrio-alola then i realized it runs iron head
  882. [13:43] ★5gen: thank you for everyone who joined, this was really fun. hope you guys enjoyed it too
  883. [13:43] +aeem: lol
  884. [13:43] +aeem: gud b
  885. [13:43] +aeem: thx
  886. [13:43] +Aleccat: was 10/10 torture, yay free team
  887. [13:43] +Aleccat: gg
  888. [13:43] +Union Caboche: thank you to organise it 5gen
  889. [13:43] ★5gen: np
  890. [13:43] +Aleccat: yeah ty 5gen
  891. [13:43] +aeem: ty
  892. +Diagnostic joined; +Aleccat, +Union Caboche, +aeem, and +Diagnostic left
  893. [13:46] +JdRDMS: thanks 5gen
  894. [13:46] ★5gen: np
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