[12:22] +lov ech ants: Lets try and not use
[12:22] +JdRDMS: we have to have electricvally
[12:22] +lov ech ants: Rotomf
[12:22] +aeem: rotomf is a must
[12:22] +Aleccat: electricvally or luxray
[12:22] +spooktune: Ampharos
[12:22] ★5gen: i was thinking of using CB GOlem-A
[12:22] +Aleccat: and then rotom f is essential
[12:22] +Union Caboche: frosttom obviously, it's an electric mon which is able to pressure ground types
[12:22] ★5gen: Golem*
[12:22] +spooktune: Graveler-A > Golem-A
[12:22] +Aleccat: ok can we for sure put down frostom
[12:22] +Aleccat: ?
[12:22] +spooktune: tbh when is ZU getting Eelektross
[12:23] +lov ech ants: Evire pressured grounds
[12:23] +aeem: how does !code work tho?
[12:23] +lov ech ants: Hp grass bop
[12:23] +Union Caboche: golem-alola isn't bad either
+lov ech ants left
[12:23] +Aleccat: also guys
+lov ech ants joined
[12:23] +aeem: pom pom?
[12:23] +Aleccat: zebstrika is cool
[12:23] +Union Caboche: it would be sr golem-alola ?
[12:24] +275p: Ampharos maybe?
[12:24] +Union Caboche: sr magnet pull ?
[12:24] +Union Caboche: ampharos sucks
[12:24] +Aleccat: band sr golem a i like
[12:24] +Aleccat: a lot
[12:24] +aeem: eletrik is good enuf
[12:24] +aeem: tbh
[12:24] +aeem: but what does mp do
[12:24] +aeem: tho
[12:24] +aeem: thier are barely any steel types
[12:24] +Aleccat: bronzor is common though
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(A poll was started by 5gen.)
[12:24] +Aleccat: rotom frost
[12:24] +Aleccat: duh
[12:24] +aeem: levi
[12:24] +aeem: tho
[12:25] +aeem: duggie beats it with speed
[12:25] +aeem: imo
[12:25] +aeem: we need eletrik
[12:25] +aeem: levi
[12:25] +aeem: + no weak to rock/steel
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The poll timer was turned on: the poll will end in 3 minute(s).
[12:26] +JdRDMS: go electricvally
[12:26] +Aleccat: i want luxray next
[12:26] +Aleccat: building totally conventially is stupid imo
[12:27] +aeem: ik but
[12:27] +aeem: ok
[12:27] +JdRDMS: yeah the point of a ccat is to build something new
[12:27] +aeem: we all know rotomf is essential tho
[12:27] +Union Caboche: luxray isn't that bad actually
[12:27] +JdRDMS: like memes
[12:28] +Aleccat: silvally electric or luxray would be really cool to build around
[12:28] +Union Caboche: silvally eelctric doesnt really fit in an electric spam imo
[12:28] +a fruitshop owner: Yea but frost is such a staple
[12:28] +a fruitshop owner: Makes ur team better
[12:28] +Aleccat: oh no we're definitely doing frost first
[12:28] +Aleccat: i voted it
[12:28] +aeem: and eletrik lol
[12:29] +aeem: levi and not weak to rock/steel
[12:29] ★5gen: poll should end soon
[12:29] +aeem: the prefect meme
[12:29] +aeem: perfect*
 Poll ended Pick the first Electric-type

1. Electivire (0 votes)
 0%
2. Rotom-Frost (5 votes)
 56%
3. Ampharos (0 votes)
 0%
4. CB Golem-A (2 votes)
 22%
5. Luxray (1 vote)
 11%
6. Silvally-Electric (1 vote)
 11%
7. Zebstrika (0 votes)
 0%
[12:29] +a fruitshop owner: Good
(A poll was started by 5gen.)
[12:29] +a fruitshop owner: We picking frost set no?
[12:29] ★5gen: after
[12:30] +aeem: ig that
[12:30] +a fruitshop owner: Ok
+lov ech ants left
[12:30] +Union Caboche: we need something which isn't walled by the same things ig, i would choose for a physical mon
[12:30] +JdRDMS: Go! Go! POWER RANGERS Electricvally!!!
[12:30] +Aleccat: which is why silv electric might not work
[12:30] +Aleccat: hm
[12:31] +Aleccat: then again voltturning
[12:31] +aeem: https://pokepast.es/3c59b5ac2cb78626 for rotomf
[12:31] +Aleccat: dank
[12:31] +aeem: again
[12:31] +Aleccat: tied
[12:31] +JdRDMS: doesn't frosty have a hex set
[12:31] +Aleccat: 3-3-3
[12:31] +Aleccat: LOL
[12:31] +aeem: eletrik does the same thing but better
[12:31] ★5gen: one more vote to break the tie
[12:31] +JdRDMS: that can 2HKO seaking
[12:31] +aeem: seaking
[12:32] +aeem: isn't a problem if grass-z is in
[12:32] +aeem: a set
[12:32] +Union Caboche: well actually 9 people on 10 voted
[12:32] +JdRDMS: watch someone vote for none of those
[12:32] +275p: lol
[12:32] +a fruitshop owner: Why electric vally
[12:32] ★5gen: !poll display
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[12:32] +Aleccat: what happens if there is a tie
[12:32] +JdRDMS: revote with just those
[12:33] +a fruitshop owner: What does vally do
[12:33] ★5gen: i'll reduce the votes to just those three
[12:33] +a fruitshop owner: Ofc
[12:33] +Aleccat: silv electric
[12:33] +Aaronboyer: Ice Beam
[12:33] +Aleccat: ok
[12:33] ★5gen: rip
[12:33] +aeem: lol
[12:33] +a fruitshop owner: We have frost
[12:33] +aeem: gg
[12:33] +JdRDMS: YEET!
[12:33] ★5gen: no cb golem-a today
[12:33] +quagsgone: :(
 Poll ended Pick the second Electric-type

1. Electivire (0 votes)
 0%
2. Ampharos (0 votes)
 0%
3. CB Golem-A (3 votes)
 30%
4. Luxray (3 votes)
 30%
5. Silvally-Electric (4 votes)
 40%
6. Zebstrika (0 votes)
 0%
(The poll was ended by 5gen.)
[12:33] +a fruitshop owner: Why you need vally for ice beam
[12:33] +aeem: actually
[12:33] +a fruitshop owner: Hello
[12:33] +Aaronboyer: grass pledge
[12:33] +aeem: put golem in
[12:33] +a fruitshop owner: To hit what
[12:33] +Aaronboyer: parting shot
[12:33] ★5gen: ok so we are building around
[12:33] +aeem: memes
[12:33] +Aleccat: we need a physical mon
[12:33] +aeem: eletrik
[12:34] +aeem: pls
[12:34] +Union Caboche: [18:33:53] ★5gen: ok so we are building around
[12:34] +Union Caboche: [18:33:54] +aeem: memes
[12:34] +Union Caboche: accurate
[12:34] ★5gen: Rotom-Frost and Silvally-Electric
[12:34] +aeem: xd
[12:34] ★5gen: which set do we want for frostom?
[12:34] +275p: Icium
[12:34] +JdRDMS: electricum
[12:34] +Aleccat: scarf
[12:34] +a fruitshop owner: Sub split
[12:34] +aeem: sub-burn
[12:34] +aeem: ^
[12:34] ★5gen: well let's think
[12:34] +Aleccat: we need scarf bc silvally electric is like
[12:34] +Union Caboche: sub split is the best set actually but i guess it will depend about the speed control we have
[12:34] +aeem: honestly i like sub split
[12:34] ★5gen: since we have silv-electric to support it
[12:35] +Aleccat: i mean if we build further we can get a more accurate answer tbh
[12:35] +JdRDMS: actually no
[12:35] +Aleccat: because scarf isn't necessary if we have other speed control
[12:35] +JdRDMS: !learn rotom-frost, water, special
Move 'water' not found.
[12:35] +JdRDMS: !ms rotom-frost, water, special
Matching moves found in learnset for Rotom-Frost:
No moves found.
[12:35] +Union Caboche: vally-electric ;.;
[12:35] +aeem: sub split can take out golem lead
[12:35] +JdRDMS: well rip
[12:35] +a fruitshop owner: Why water move
[12:35] +aeem: waterium?
[12:35] +JdRDMS: for ground stuffs
[12:35] +Aleccat: >hp water
[12:35] +a fruitshop owner: You have blizzard
[12:35] +Aleccat: LOL
[12:35] +a fruitshop owner: Hello
[12:35] +aeem: BRUH
[12:35] +quagsgone: lmao
[12:35] +aeem: ig u
[12:36] +JdRDMS: that's not that accurate tbf
[12:36] ★5gen: alright peeps
[12:36] +a fruitshop owner: Dont miss
[12:36] +aeem: >https://pokepast.es/3c59b5ac2cb78626 first one
[12:36] +JdRDMS: and when it is it's only one time
[12:36] +aeem: never misses
[12:36] +quagsgone: lets go for subsplit
[12:36] +JdRDMS: actually hex
[12:36] ★5gen: we can always change the set later if we need it to be scarf
[12:36] +quagsgone: no hex is kind of a waste I feel
[12:36] +aeem: why hex lol
[12:36] +a fruitshop owner: No
[12:36] +aeem: i agree with quag
[12:36] +JdRDMS: 2HKOs seaking
[12:36] +Aleccat: yeah tru 5gen
[12:36] +JdRDMS: Tack has one
[12:37] +JdRDMS: beat 5gen with it apparently
[12:37] ★5gen: that's specs though with tspikes support i think
[12:37] +a fruitshop owner: I dont want frost to niche checj seaking
[12:37] +aeem: sub split is better and electricvally can deal with it with gp
[12:37] ★5gen: why hex if we might have silv-electric to grass pledge it
[12:37] +JdRDMS: true
[12:37] +Aleccat: yeah gp electricvally can deal with seaking right
[12:37] +Aleccat: so why hex
[12:38] +JdRDMS: i'm like this: decent at battling, shit at building
[12:38] ★5gen: so we going with sub split rotom-f?
[12:38] +Aleccat: specs
[12:38] +Aleccat: omg
[12:38] +aeem: yea
[12:38] +aeem: sub split
[12:38] +aeem: smh Alekkkat
[12:38] +Aleccat: subsplit is fine ig
[12:38] +aeem: u ran stall tho
[12:38] +Aleccat: of course i run stall
[12:38] +Aleccat: it's the best playstyle
[12:38] +Aleccat: even when it's not meta
[12:38] +aeem: can i ban someone
[12:39] +JdRDMS: no
[12:39] +aeem: lol
[12:39] +aeem: worth the try
[12:39] +JdRDMS: lol
[12:39] +a fruitshop owner: Stall is for people who have too much time so they waste others
[12:39] +Aleccat: that's accurate
[12:39] Froasty was invited (and promoted to Room Voice) by 5gen.
[12:39] +JdRDMS: if you were at least mod then you could
[12:39] +Aleccat: omg hi
+Froasty joined
[12:39] +JdRDMS: sup frost
[12:39] +JdRDMS: or froast
[12:40] +Froasty: So where we at?
[12:40] ★5gen: !code
See code...
[12:40] +Aleccat: first set
[12:40] ★5gen: no we have to choose a silvally-electric set
[12:40] +Union Caboche: Frosttom + Vally-Electric for an electric spam
[12:40] ★5gen: now*
[12:40] +Aleccat: subsplit frostom
[12:40] +a fruitshop owner: 1 broken mon 1 wasted slot
[12:40] +Froasty: Why vally electric over evire?
[12:40] ★5gen: oof
[12:40] +aeem: lol
[12:40] +aeem: XD
[12:40] +JdRDMS: whatever this is
[12:40] +Aleccat: ok we already decided grassy pledge silvally-electric
[12:40] +JdRDMS: https://pokepast.es/0291e984a83e9b75
[12:40] +aeem: ^
[12:40] ★5gen: that's what was voted on froasty
[12:40] +JdRDMS: also qc really
[12:40] +Aleccat: because we're not taking the ez route froasty
[12:40] +aeem: uturn tho
[12:40] +Union Caboche: vally-electric was cuter i guess
[12:40] +JdRDMS: silvally-grass?
[12:40] +aeem: i don't want defiant
[12:41] +aeem: hurting
[12:41] +aeem: elevally
[12:41] +aeem: ^nickname
[12:41] ★5gen: ok so do we need grass pledge here for seaking
[12:41] +Aleccat: yes
[12:41] +Aleccat: absolutely
[12:41] +JdRDMS: yes
[12:41] +aeem: gp is not optional imo
[12:41] +Aleccat: not in this case at least
[12:42] +aeem: ofc
[12:42] ★5gen: so then what do we drop, pivoting or defog or ice beam?
[12:42] +aeem: defog
[12:42] +aeem: others can do it
[12:42] +a fruitshop owner: Icebeam
[12:42] +Aleccat: pivoting right
[12:42] +aeem: like chime
[12:42] +Union Caboche: dont play chimecho plz
[12:42] +Aleccat: we could drop ice beam actually
[12:42] +Froasty: Well, to be fair evally isn't optimal. If you want to use another defogger like lurantis you could drop defog
[12:43] +aeem: ^
[12:43] +aeem: defog isn't really needed
[12:43] +aeem: ice beam is
+275p left
[12:43] +a fruitshop owner: We have frost tho
[12:43] +Aleccat: what do we even need ice beam for
[12:43] +Aleccat: we have frost
[12:43] ★5gen: ice beam allows it to bust through gabite and grass-types
[12:43] +JdRDMS: grass pledge tho
[12:43] +aeem: ^
[12:43] +JdRDMS: rip
[12:43] +a fruitshop owner: Go to frost on them
[12:43] +Aleccat: why not flamethrower if anything
[12:43] +Aleccat: and then why not go to frostom
[12:43] +a fruitshop owner: Plus its common knowledge people have icebeam
[12:43] +aeem: imo
[12:43] +a fruitshop owner: So why would it be in
[12:44] +aeem: flame doesn't do much
+275p joined
[12:44] +aeem: but a worst ice beam
[12:44] +Froasty: The team's going to be public, so building with lures and such doesn't work
[12:44] +Union Caboche: /coverage ice, electric, table
[12:44] +aeem: and
[12:44] ★5gen: !code
See code...
[12:44] +JdRDMS: yes
[12:44] +aeem: boltbeam has that coverage
[12:44] +a fruitshop owner: Yes
[12:45] +aeem: nah
[12:45] +aeem: no defog tho
[12:45] +JdRDMS: yea
[12:45] +aeem: ice beam is needed imo
[12:45] +aeem: and others can defog
[12:45] +Aleccat: we don't know if we have another defogger yet tho
[12:45] +aeem: k
[12:45] +Aleccat: i think that set's fine for now
[12:45] ★5gen: we can always swap defog for something if need be
[12:45] +aeem: should we come back to it
[12:45] +Aleccat: ^
[12:46] ★5gen: https://pokepast.es/5d4fce4ea66c0f5c team as of now
[12:46] ★5gen: everyone ok with this?
[12:47] +Aleccat: yes
[12:47] +aeem: ye
[12:47] +JdRDMS: defog is an optional move on frostom's sample
[12:47] +275p: It s good enough
[12:47] +quagsgone: agree
[12:47] +aeem: sr weak tho
[12:47] +Aleccat: we don't need additional defog atm
[12:47] +aeem: *atm
[12:47] +aeem: ^^^
[12:47] ★5gen: so now what gives the core trouble
[12:47] +Aleccat: also subsplit has 4mss
[12:47] +Union Caboche: well, silvally-electric, except to beat seaking, didnt bring anything for the electric spam but i guess it's okay
[12:47] +Aleccat: let's look through a rank mons
[12:47] +a fruitshop owner: Tr fat L
[12:47] +275p: We need still a fighting type counter
[12:47] +Union Caboche: anything which counters frosttom which is not seaking
[12:47] +Union Caboche: aka
[12:47] +Aleccat: slap on mareanie?
[12:47] +Aleccat: ?
[12:47] +Froasty: Lickilicky is unbreakable
[12:47] +aeem: ^
[12:47] +aeem: lol
[12:48] +Union Caboche: muk, regice, kecleon, bronzor, licky,
[12:48] +aeem: mareanie is also like a staple
[12:48] +Union Caboche: grumpig
[12:48] +Aleccat: actually
[12:48] +Froasty: No speed control
[12:48] +Aleccat: maybe we should stay away from a poison type
[12:48] +Aleccat: because ground weakness from silv elec
[12:48] ★5gen: so would a physical wall breaker be the next addition
[12:48] ★5gen: or some speed
[12:48] +aeem: golem/mon
[12:49] +aeem: could do it
[12:49] +Froasty: Something to break licki, speed control, tspike absorber, rock setter
[12:49] +Aleccat: wp golem
[12:49] +aeem: XD
[12:49] +aeem: also
[12:49] +aeem: i feel that rotom shouldn't have the z move
[12:49] +Aleccat: i mean for tspike absorber we should totally do mareanie or muk if we're going down that route
[12:49] +Union Caboche: more than something to break licki, something to break special answers to electric types
[12:49] +Aleccat: then go muk
[12:50] +aeem: muk
[12:50] +Froasty: Oh, yeah, need to be able to break muk too
[12:50] +aeem: golem?
[12:50] +Union Caboche: i feel that silvally electric shouldn't be here
[12:50] +a fruitshop owner: Yes
[12:50] +Union Caboche: mmh
[12:50] +Aleccat: omg same union
[12:50] +a fruitshop owner: Its a wated slot
[12:50] +Aleccat: but we voted on it
[12:50] +aeem: elevally seems limiting
[12:50] +Aleccat: ^^
[12:50] +Union Caboche: roselia can actually poison absorbing and set up spikes
[12:50] +Union Caboche: which is nice
[12:51] ★5gen: should we go back on the silv-electric spot or no?
[12:51] +Aleccat: idk then we have an additional fire weakness
[12:51] +aeem: but ground weak lol
[12:51] +Union Caboche: but well, for the moment, the problem is to break special sponges
[12:51] +Aleccat: do a quick poll 5gen
[12:51] +quagsgone: yes 5gen
[12:51] +aeem: about about
[12:51] +JdRDMS: let's do grassy
[12:51] +JdRDMS: nvm
(The poll has ended – scroll down to see the results)
(A poll was started by 5gen.)
[12:51] +aeem: whiscash
[12:51] +JdRDMS: remember last time tho?
[12:51] +aeem: lol
[12:51] +Froasty: Well, if you want to pair two electric types then generally the only two that go together are evire and frost
[12:51] +aeem: bye felicia
[12:51] +Aleccat: frost and any electric work decent in theory froasty
 Poll ended Give up on Silvally-Electric

1. Yes (7 votes)
 78%
2. No (2 votes)
 22%
(The poll was ended by 5gen.)
[12:51] +Union Caboche: Frosttom + Electivre/Luxray/Golem-A Band work
[12:52] +Aleccat: though that is the best
[12:52] +Union Caboche: but a physical one
[12:52] +Aleccat: i think we should do luxray or golem a
[12:52] +a fruitshop owner: Golem n_n
[12:52] +Aleccat: evire is too conventional
[12:52] +JdRDMS: golem a
[12:52] +aeem: golem
[12:52] +Froasty: Nah, golem shares that fighting weakness
[12:52] +aeem: but
[12:52] +Aleccat: luxray then
[12:52] +a fruitshop owner: We have 3 fighting types.
[12:52] +Aleccat: luxray is optimal here of the 33
[12:52] +Aleccat: *3
[12:52] +a fruitshop owner: Who cares
[12:52] +Froasty: They're all A rank or higher tho
[12:52] +Union Caboche: none of them switch on fighting type anyway
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(A poll was started by 5gen.)
[12:53] +Froasty: It's more for avoiding a monferno sweep
[12:53] +aeem: Shall we make a new TV series
[12:53] +Aleccat: if we throw in golem a we can maybe do mareanie actually
[12:53] +Froasty: Or combusken
[12:53] ★5gen: we can check fighting-types i think with the four other slots
[12:53] +a fruitshop owner: Smack grumpig
[12:53] +Froasty: Yeah but why have two elecs that lose to the same things?
[12:53] +a fruitshop owner: Fixed
[12:53] +aeem: "Dealing with ZU"
[12:53] +aeem: or something
[12:54] +Aleccat: wait
[12:54] +275p: Great idea aaem
[12:54] +Aleccat: if we do golem a are we doing rocks with band
[12:54] +Aleccat: or no
[12:54] +275p: Who will be the main cast though?
[12:54] +aeem: we are the type of peeps that cant decide on 1 ev lol
[12:54] +a fruitshop owner: I dunno rocks band
[12:54] ★5gen: golem-a can bust through seaking, bronzor, and special walls for frostom while frostom can check grass-types and oppopsing ground-types
[12:55] +Aleccat: fine i change my vote then
[12:55] +Aleccat: let's do golem a
[12:55] ★5gen: like all we need to do is deal with fighting-types which isn't too difficult
[12:55] +aeem: ~rocks scarf~
 Poll ended Pair Frostom with who?

1. Electivire (1 vote)
 14%
2. CB Golem-A (4 votes)
 57%
3. Luxray (2 votes)
 29%
(The poll was ended by 5gen.)
[12:55] +Aleccat: right 5gen and then we put in mareanie
[12:55] +aeem: mareanie
[12:55] +aeem: ofc
[12:55] +a fruitshop owner: Or pig
[12:55] +Aleccat: then we have a tspikes absorber
[12:55] +Froasty: If you didn't want mare you would have had to pick evire :x
[12:55] ★5gen: meant to make poll end in 1.5
[12:56] +JdRDMS: lol
[12:56] +aeem: lmao
[12:56] +Aleccat: ok so we're doing cb golem a
[12:56] +Aleccat: what's the set
[12:57] ★5gen: !code
See code...
[12:57] ★5gen: thoughts?
[12:57] +JdRDMS: looks cool
[12:57] +Aleccat: fire punch for bronzor no?
[12:57] +a fruitshop owner: Doesnt return do more
[12:58] +Aleccat: someone calc
[12:58] +Union Caboche: it does
[12:58] +aeem: kk
[12:58] +a fruitshop owner: It has to
[12:58] +aeem: nvm
[12:58] +aeem: damn union
[12:58] +aeem: u quick
[12:58] +Union Caboche: well its just
[12:58] +Froasty: 1.2*1.5*102 vs 75*2
[12:58] +Union Caboche: yeah
[12:58] ★5gen: 252+ Atk Choice Band Galvanize Golem-Alola Return vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Eviolite Bronzor: 234-276 (73.5 - 86.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
[12:58] +aeem: ok worth
[12:58] +Union Caboche: froasty shows the calc
[12:58] +Aleccat: so volt switch k
[12:58] +a fruitshop owner: I like vswitch
[12:58] +aeem: ^
[12:59] +Union Caboche: i mean return stab > fire punch super effective
[12:59] +aeem: m o m e n t u m
[12:59] +Union Caboche: even without galvanize
[12:59] +Froasty: That being said, outsped by standard seaking
[12:59] +Union Caboche: so with galvanize, that's obvious
[12:59] ★5gen: https://pokepast.es/812a42a0b0a9dc1d team rn
[12:59] +aeem: jolly?
[12:59] +aeem: cuz
[12:59] +Aleccat: also look at this
[12:59] +Aleccat: 252+ Atk Choice Band Golem-Alola Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Eviolite Tangela: 151-178 (45.2 - 53.2%) -- 34.4% chance to 2HKO
[12:59] +Aleccat: 252+ Atk Choice Band Golem-Alola Fire Punch vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Eviolite Tangela: 150-178 (44.9 - 53.2%) -- 32.8% chance to 2HKO
[12:59] +aeem: wow
[12:59] +Aleccat: same difference
[12:59] +aeem: that's
[12:59] +Aleccat: sad
[12:59] +aeem: shcoking
[12:59] +Union Caboche: mmh, i would play Explosion on earthquake/stone edge even if it means you're weak to golem
[13:00] +Union Caboche: but that's just me
[13:00] ★5gen: as froasty pointed out, we need a way to handle fighting-types
[13:00] +Aleccat: mareanie
[13:00] +Aleccat: :D
[13:00] +aeem: ^
[13:00] +aeem: u already know
[13:00] +aeem: mareanie feels like a staple imo
[13:00] ★5gen: i was also thinking grumpig or fat oricorio-baille, but mare is more reliable here
[13:01] ★5gen: covers water-types too
[13:01] +JdRDMS: fantom would work if we didn't have frostom
[13:01] +Aleccat: if we have fat oricorio baile we have 2 sr weak mons
[13:01] ★5gen: true
[13:01] +Aleccat: that's true too jd
[13:01] +Froasty: Yeah, with the heavy weakness to monferno it's non-optional to not use mare atm
[13:01] +Froasty: Have to use it
[13:02] +a fruitshop owner: Lampent
[13:02] +aeem: lol
[13:02] +aeem: XD
[13:02] ★5gen: so we running toxic or tspikes
[13:02] +Union Caboche: i would play more agressively
[13:02] +Union Caboche: but nevermind
[13:02] +Aleccat: tspikes
[13:02] +Union Caboche: (actually lampent is the only mon to counter chatot specs, monferno and lurantis in one slot)
[13:02] +Aleccat: i think
[13:02] +aeem: fo some reason i can only play bal
[13:02] +a fruitshop owner: Mhmm
[13:02] +a fruitshop owner: Cool mon ;)
[13:03] +aeem: lampent w/ what item
[13:03] +quagsgone: evio
[13:03] +a fruitshop owner: Eviol ofc
[13:03] +Froasty: Nah, no lampent
[13:03] +a fruitshop owner: Smh
[13:03] +a fruitshop owner: Yea
[13:03] +Aleccat: lampent adds to our sr weakness
[13:03] +a fruitshop owner: More ground weak too
[13:03] +aeem: again
[13:03] +Union Caboche: it dies very quickly, that's the biggest issue
[13:03] +a fruitshop owner: Not good idea
[13:03] +aeem: we do have a silvally slot
[13:03] ★5gen: team as of now https://pokepast.es/ceb9a9c4327aa3d0
[13:03] +aeem: so defog
[13:03] +Froasty: Silvally isn't a golem counter at any time
[13:04] +Froasty: Even grassvally fears stone edge
[13:04] ★5gen: key issues rn
[13:04] +aeem: oh
[13:04] +aeem: lol
[13:04] +aeem: bronzor helps
[13:04] ★5gen: speed control, need sr, and hazard removal
[13:04] +aeem: bronzor+mareanie core
[13:04] +aeem: i rokc w/ it
[13:04] +aeem: rock*
[13:04] +Union Caboche: we dont need hazard removal actually
[13:04] +Union Caboche: not too much
[13:04] ★5gen: makes the team too slow/passive imo
[13:04] ★5gen: if we add bronzor
[13:04] +Froasty: Well, if you want defot then phys def lur slots in nicely
[13:04] +Union Caboche: we need rocks though
[13:04] +aeem: but
[13:04] +Aleccat: yeah i agree with 5gen
[13:05] +Aleccat: we want this to be balance-like
[13:05] ★5gen: abomasnow is kinda scary too
[13:05] +aeem: the main issue is the ground weak
[13:05] +a fruitshop owner: Thoughts on mime
[13:05] +Froasty: *defog
[13:05] +a fruitshop owner: For speed control
[13:05] +aeem: icy wind :]
[13:05] +Union Caboche: mime is nice y
[13:05] +quagsgone: agree with mime
[13:05] +aeem: ^
[13:05] +Union Caboche: but rocks is the first problem
[13:05] +Froasty: Your speed control has to break stuff like evire
[13:05] +Aleccat: the problem with mime as a licki check also is that good lickis run normalium z
[13:05] +Union Caboche: and maybe dont be 6-0 by golem
[13:06] +Froasty: And rapidash
[13:06] +a fruitshop owner: Golem beats licki no
[13:06] +Aleccat: does it?
[13:06] +aeem: check
[13:06] +Froasty: Evire and Rapid especially are big problems rn
[13:06] +a fruitshop owner: Band return
[13:06] +Aleccat: run calcs
[13:06] +Aleccat: probably
[13:06] +a fruitshop owner: Im on mobile
[13:06] +a fruitshop owner: So
[13:06] +a fruitshop owner: Im guessing
[13:06] +Aleccat: yeah
[13:06] +Union Caboche: yeah it does lol
[13:06] +Aleccat: 2hko guaranteed
[13:06] +Union Caboche: it's golem band
[13:06] +Aleccat: ok
[13:06] +Aleccat: so we only need
[13:06] +aeem: again i feel ground weak is the bigger problem
[13:06] +Aleccat: speed control atm
[13:06] +Union Caboche: we can play gabite sr
[13:06] ★5gen: 252+ Atk Choice Band Galvanize Golem-Alola Return vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Lickilicky: 322-379 (75.9 - 89.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
[13:07] +a fruitshop owner: Ez
[13:07] +Aleccat: gabite sr fits in really nicely actually
[13:07] +a fruitshop owner: I hate gabite as a mon
[13:07] ★5gen: duggy-a seems appealing for rapidash and electivire but it adds little defensive utility
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[13:07] ★5gen: i like gabite here too
[13:07] +Froasty: Yeah, gabite helps with rapid, although evires are still a danger and often run scarf
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[13:07] +Aleccat: evire is always a danger because of its massive coverage
[13:08] +Union Caboche: we dont need defense utility
[13:08] +Union Caboche: we need a reliable rocker
[13:08] ★5gen: we need to cover electivire in the last two slots
[13:08] +aeem: gabite is that lol
[13:08] ★5gen: everyone ok with adding gabite?
[13:08] +aeem: ^
[13:08] +aeem: ye ye
[13:08] +Aleccat: well what would be the alternatives
[13:08] +Union Caboche: golem shuca berry
[13:08] +spooktune: yh
[13:08] +a fruitshop owner: No
[13:08] +Aleccat: you can run golem and golem a?
[13:08] +Union Caboche: ah
[13:08] +Union Caboche: true
[13:08] +Union Caboche: so none
[13:08] ★5gen: no
[13:08] +Aleccat: ok then i guess gabite
[13:09] +Union Caboche: crustle could work maybe
[13:09] +aeem: nah
[13:09] +Aleccat: marshtomp
[13:09] +Aleccat: gabite for sure it's the only option
[13:09] +a fruitshop owner: Biberal
[13:09] +a fruitshop owner: Ez rocks
[13:09] +aeem: 5gen, what does the team look like rn
[13:09] ★5gen: !code
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[13:09] +Aleccat: wait bibarel has rocks wtf
[13:09] +Union Caboche: gabite is nice against volt turn too
[13:09] ★5gen: this set ok?
[13:09] +a fruitshop owner: Yea
[13:09] +aeem: ye
[13:09] +Aleccat: yes
[13:09] +Froasty: 180 HP/248 def
[13:09] +quagsgone: y
[13:09] +a fruitshop owner: Gabite is best option
[13:09] ★5gen: didn't go toxic since mareanie is the tspiker
[13:10] +Froasty: Well, rn the gabite can't hit a frost, and mare is also weak to frost
[13:10] +Aleccat: yeah we need a frost + evire check
[13:10] ★5gen: https://pokepast.es/b631044b6caa7c80
[13:11] ★5gen: let's list some major threats rn
[13:11] +aeem: evire still
[13:11] +Union Caboche: we need speed control
[13:11] +a fruitshop owner: Tr
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[13:11] +aeem: ice punch
[13:11] ★5gen: electivire, opposing frostom, abomasnow, lack of speed
[13:11] ★5gen: np mime
[13:11] +Aleccat: how does team do vs bouf
[13:11] +Froasty: Missing defog as well
[13:11] +Aleccat: ?
[13:11] +Union Caboche: defog isn't mandatory
[13:11] +aeem: we need a vally imo
[13:11] +a fruitshop owner: Bouf may be an oof
[13:12] +Union Caboche: yeah lets play vally electric imo
[13:12] +Froasty: It's highly preferable to not abandon defog on any team that isn't hail or dedicated spike stack
[13:12] +Aleccat: yeah we also fail against av bouf
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[13:12] +Union Caboche: i was kidding
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[13:12] +Union Caboche: we have toxic spikes + rock
[13:13] +Union Caboche: that's okay
[13:13] +Froasty: It's not dedicated, however
[13:13] +Union Caboche: except against roselia match up, we aren't really threated by hazards
[13:13] +Froasty: Well, right now we're at one hazard weak and two hazard neutral mons
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[13:13] +Froasty: And also suffer speed control issues against webs
[13:14] +Aleccat: actually gabite kind of handles bouf
[13:14] +Union Caboche: we play pain split frosttom
[13:14] ★5gen: maybe we go scarf frostom
[13:14] ★5gen: and last two slots become more flexible
[13:14] +Aleccat: scarf frostom
[13:14] +Aleccat: yes
[13:14] +Froasty: Or evire over golem
[13:15] +Aleccat: no
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[13:15] +Union Caboche: actually
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[13:15] +Aleccat: actually
[13:15] +Union Caboche: we could play SR golem-a
[13:15] +Aleccat: we might have to go bronzor over gabite
[13:15] +Union Caboche: in forcing switchins
[13:15] +Union Caboche: no
[13:15] ★5gen: like we can go scarf frostom then maybe defog lurantis and a wincon
[13:15] +Aleccat: omg sr golem-a with band
[13:15] +Aleccat: LOL
[13:15] +Union Caboche: yeah
[13:16] +Union Caboche: it's a possibility
[13:16] +Union Caboche: we can play that 5gen i guess
[13:16] +Union Caboche: we're more weak to frosttom though
[13:16] ★5gen: yeah it's tough
[13:17] +Aleccat: we could do something like uh
[13:17] +Aleccat: silv fire?
[13:17] +Aleccat: for defog
[13:17] +Aleccat: no
[13:17] +Aleccat: then ground weak
[13:18] +aeem: water
[13:18] +Union Caboche: i wont play defog on that team but i'm a minority here
[13:18] ★5gen: we have mare and a big electric type weakness if we do that
[13:18] +aeem: fighting
[13:18] +aeem: or dragon
[13:19] +Union Caboche: mmh
[13:19] +Union Caboche: i guess if defog is really an issue
[13:19] +Union Caboche: it's to play chatot scarf defog
[13:19] ★5gen: dragon doesn't help with mime or frostom
[13:19] +Aleccat: or we could do scarf defog frostom
[13:19] +Aleccat: like normal ppl
[13:20] +Aleccat: then again
[13:20] ★5gen: giving up trick isn't worth it imo
[13:20] +Aleccat: sr weakness
[13:20] +Aleccat: that too
[13:20] +Aleccat: hm
[13:20] +Union Caboche: chatot defog brings speed control, a correct match up against web and defog
[13:20] +Aleccat: we become more frostom weak if we do that
[13:20] +Aleccat: i think we should go with a frostom check first
[13:20] ★5gen: hold on
[13:20] +Aleccat: before defog
[13:21] +aeem: sil fighting will do
[13:21] +Froasty: Scarf defog is golem weak
[13:21] +Union Caboche: we have on our frosttom to deal with frosttom
[13:21] ★5gen: we can go scarf chatot and then make frostom icium z wisp+defog or pain split
[13:21] +Aleccat: but our frostom doesn't have hp fire
[13:21] +Union Caboche: we have pain split
[13:21] +aeem: and sub split is perfectly ok imo
[13:21] +Aleccat: oh true
[13:21] +Aleccat: pain split
[13:21] +Aleccat: yeah i guess that works
[13:21] +Aleccat: okay so we still have to deal with evire
[13:22] +aeem: imo fightvally is needed
[13:22] +aeem: whiscash :]
[13:22] +Aleccat: electivire, obomasnow, scarf needed
[13:22] +aeem: bruh
[13:22] +Aleccat: omg av whiscash
[13:22] +Aleccat: icon
[13:22] +aeem: run that fightvally
[13:23] +aeem: and then scarf whis
[13:23] +Aleccat: spdef fightvally sounds like an unset
[13:23] +aeem: not spdef
[13:23] +aeem: but sd?
[13:23] +aeem: to break rotomf and oboma
[13:23] +Aleccat: 252 SpA Abomasnow Blizzard vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Silvally-Fighting: 148-175 (44.7 - 52.8%) -- 82.8% chance to 2HKO after hail damage
[13:24] +Aleccat: sd wouldn't do well vs obama
[13:24] +aeem: fightvally is faster
[13:24] +Aleccat: not than scarf
[13:24] +aeem: oh
[13:24] ★5gen: https://pokepast.es/25c2708c0da38c53 team as of now
[13:24] +Aleccat: scarf is primary obama set
[13:24] +aeem: peeps run scarf
[13:24] +aeem: wow
[13:24] +aeem: fightvally
[13:24] +aeem: pls
[13:24] +aeem: bulky tho
[13:24] +Aleccat: u change gabite evs 5gen
[13:25] +Union Caboche: defog over chatter imo
[13:25] +Aleccat: ^
[13:25] +Froasty: Really struggles with golem
[13:25] ★5gen: oh right
[13:25] ★5gen: defog
[13:25] +aeem: [11:54] +aeem: we are the type of peeps that cant decide on 1 ev lol
[13:25] +aeem: i was rite
[13:25] ★5gen: !code
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[13:26] +aeem: fightvally
[13:26] ★5gen: i'm feeling yache lurantis too tbh
[13:26] +aeem: no sr weak
[13:26] +Union Caboche: gabite can switch into golem
[13:26] ★5gen: lemme calc some stuff
[13:26] +Union Caboche: lurantis can work
[13:26] +aeem: can break obama
[13:26] +Union Caboche: but we're really slow
[13:26] +Aleccat: yache lurantis
[13:26] +Aleccat: that's cute
[13:26] ★5gen: 252+ Atk Golem Earthquake vs. 248 HP / 0 Def Silvally-Fighting: 178-210 (45.2 - 53.4%) -- 89.8% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock
[13:27] +Union Caboche: gabite handles
[13:27] +aeem: ^
[13:27] +Union Caboche: i mean, it can switch certainly one time
[13:27] +aeem: fight is for the scarf obama
[13:27] +Union Caboche: earthquake max attack (which isn't so common) does certainly about 40%
[13:27] +Union Caboche: max
[13:27] +aeem: flame charge
[13:27] ★5gen: 252+ Atk Golem Earthquake vs. 248 HP / 124 Def Silvally-Fighting: 156-184 (39.6 - 46.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock
[13:28] ★5gen: ok if we have gabite for golem
[13:28] +Union Caboche: 252+ Atk Golem Earthquake vs. 180 HP / 248+ Def Eviolite Gabite: 108-127 (33.5 - 39.4%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
[13:28] ★5gen: then i'll adjust the spread for abomasnow
[13:28] +aeem: check fightvally vs obama with flame charge
[13:28] +Aleccat: what about yache lurantis tho
[13:28] +Aleccat: q-q
[13:28] +Froasty: Why would you want flame charge over multi attack?
[13:28] +Union Caboche: (but we are mime weak)
[13:28] +aeem: not over
[13:28] +aeem: with
[13:29] +Froasty: Why would you want that?
[13:29] ★5gen: 252 SpA Abomasnow Blizzard vs. 248 HP / 16 SpD Silvally-Fighting: 145-172 (36.8 - 43.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock and hail damage
[13:29] +quagsgone: silvally dragon also spams draco
[13:29] +quagsgone: not common tho
[13:29] ★5gen: flame charge isn't worth it
[13:29] ★5gen: no dragon resist does suck
[13:29] +aeem: sd/mutli/fc/filler
[13:29] ★5gen: nah
[13:29] +Aleccat: mime is a problem if we go fightvally
[13:29] ★5gen: we need it with defog, u-turn, and stab
[13:30] +Union Caboche: even if we choose chatot aleccat
[13:30] ★5gen: mime is a big problem
[13:30] +Union Caboche: but vally fighting cannot be our last mon
[13:30] +aeem: 252 Atk Silvally-Fighting Flame Charge vs. 0 HP / 0- Def Abomasnow: 248-296 (77.2 - 92.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
[13:30] +Aleccat: why not just multi attack
[13:30] +Aleccat: lol
[13:30] +aeem: the out speed next turn
[13:31] +aeem: 252 Atk Silvally-Fighting Multi-Attack vs. 0 HP / 0- Def Abomasnow: 336-396 (104.6 - 123.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
[13:31] +aeem: i didn't say replace
[13:31] +aeem: multi + flame charge is a good idea
[13:31] +aeem: to beat obama
[13:32] +Union Caboche: how is the team right now 5gen ?
[13:32] +Aleccat: yache lurantis or riot
[13:32] +aeem: n o t
[13:32] +aeem: lol
[13:32] +Aleccat: >shiinotic
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[13:34] ★5gen: https://pokepast.es/04d5c122e5f79ffa
[13:34] ★5gen: what i have now
[13:34] +aeem: that's fine
[13:34] +Union Caboche: we dont need silvally-fighting
[13:34] +Aleccat: ^
[13:34] +Aleccat: we don't
[13:34] +Union Caboche: we dont need an other defoger
[13:34] +Aleccat: we have chatot
[13:34] +aeem: wydm?????
[13:34] ★5gen: we might need to rework
[13:34] +Aleccat: there's no need
[13:34] +Union Caboche: well
[13:34] +aeem: defog isn't needed
[13:34] +Union Caboche: we're 6-0 by mime
[13:34] +Froasty: Personally I think alolem is what holds the team back
[13:34] +aeem: put flame charge
[13:34] +Union Caboche: so kecleon over silvally-fighting
[13:34] +Aleccat: what we need is something to deal with mr meme
[13:35] +Union Caboche: and kecleon can switch into Obama scarf blizzard
[13:35] ★5gen: that's true to an extent froasty but it's what we have to build around
[13:35] ★5gen: we can remove silv-fighting
[13:35] +Aleccat: if we do kecleon over silv fighting we could maybe replace gabite too
[13:35] ★5gen: but we need an answer to golem and aboma
[13:35] +Aleccat: rocks kek at least
[13:35] +Aleccat: true
[13:35] +Froasty: Then you're really rapidash weak
[13:36] ★5gen: ^
[13:36] +Union Caboche: AV Kec
[13:36] +Aleccat: yeah i know
[13:36] +Union Caboche: is better
[13:36] +Aleccat: ok i guess we could do av
[13:36] +Aleccat: just a suggestion
[13:36] +Union Caboche: Just SS/Drain Punch/Knock Off/filler
[13:36] +aeem: [11:54] +aeem: we are the type of peeps that cant decide on 1 ev lol
[13:36] +aeem: *the last mon
[13:36] ★5gen: thoughts on sub sd bouff as last mon?
[13:36] +Aleccat: we just did
[13:37] +aeem: * a good last mon
[13:37] +Union Caboche: it could work too but idk if it switches well on Obama and mime
[13:37] +Aleccat: why sd over av
[13:37] +Aleccat: because focus miss mr meme
[13:37] ★5gen: true. av isn;t too hot in this meta
[13:37] ★5gen: isn't*
[13:38] ★5gen: so we going kecleon in the last slot?
[13:38] +Aleccat: we should probably just stick with kek
[13:39] ★5gen: https://pokepast.es/3e6f922398a78ced
[13:40] ★5gen: final product y/n
[13:40] +Union Caboche: it fits for me
[13:40] +Aleccat: i mean
[13:41] +Aleccat: it looks like the best we're going to get it
[13:41] +Aleccat: wait
[13:41] +Aleccat: nvm
[13:41] +Aleccat: was about to say sub dugtrio-alola then i realized it runs iron head
[13:43] ★5gen: thank you for everyone who joined, this was really fun. hope you guys enjoyed it too
[13:43] +aeem: lol
[13:43] +aeem: gud b
[13:43] +aeem: thx
[13:43] +Aleccat: was 10/10 torture, yay free team
[13:43] +Aleccat: gg
[13:43] +Union Caboche: thank you to organise it 5gen
[13:43] ★5gen: np
[13:43] +Aleccat: yeah ty 5gen
[13:43] +aeem: ty
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[13:46] +JdRDMS: thanks 5gen
[13:46] ★5gen: np