Duplicity of Thacker, the fascism of operatorship

12:32:50 PM+InfiniteSpireThacker-: Do you disavow the abuse of VirtualPreacher?
12:33:14 PM+Thacker-his or yours?
12:33:27 PM+InfiniteSpireYou're communicating you don't understand English.
12:33:34 PM+InfiniteSpireWhich will prevent you from participating in all debates.
12:33:49 PM+Thacker-well, the abuse from vp or toward vp?
12:34:08 PM+Thacker-it can be read either way
12:34:24 PM+Thacker-for instance, I might disavow your abuse...
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12:35:02 PM+InfiniteSpireHow do you think I meant it?
12:35:08 PM+InfiniteSpireInference is an important skill in debate.
12:35:23 PM+Bokkenhttps://i.imgur.com/PjenVMZ.jpg
12:35:26 PM+Thacker-InfiniteSpire, that your question was ambigious, indicates YOU don't understand how english works
12:36:48 PM+Thacker-InfiniteSpire, I find that assumption generally makes an ass of at least "u"...
12:37:11 PM+Thacker-I choose not to participate :)
12:37:12 PM+InfiniteSpireBokken: That quote is false.
12:37:27 PM+BokkenInfiniteSpire i can show you video
12:37:31 PM+InfiniteSpireThacker-: That is a heuristic given to you by your culture. It's inferior to alternatives.
12:37:32 PM+Bokkenits not false
12:37:33 PM+Thacker-Bokken LOL
12:37:35 PM+InfiniteSpirehttps://www.washingtonpost.com/arts-entertainment/2018/10/31/cnn-host-don-lemon-said-white-men-are-b...
12:37:39 PM+InfiniteSpireI am familiar with the clip.
12:37:45 PM+InfiniteSpireHe said all of those words, but not in that order.
12:37:51 PM+Bokkenlol
12:37:51 PM+InfiniteSpireIt needs ellipses to be a true quote.
12:37:57 PM+Thacker-InfiniteSpire, given we're the greatest nation ever to exist, I'm going to disregard your assessment
12:38:20 PM+InfiniteSpireThacker-: That was an incredible non sequitur.
12:38:21 PM+Thacker-USA, USA, USA ;)
12:38:24 PM Ignoring Thacker-!*@*
12:38:29 PM+InfiniteSpireThacker-: I put you on ignore.
12:38:34 PM+InfiniteSpireYou're terrible at debate.
12:39:10 PM+InfiniteSpireYou literally don't know what the alternative was going to be, and instead of listening, you assumed what it was -- wrongly, and then incorporated disparate points about nationalism.
12:39:24 PM+InfiniteSpireYou're literally the only person to make an assumption in this conversation while telling us it is bad.
12:39:36 PM+InfiniteSpireThe alternative is Bayesian inference.
12:39:45 PM+InfiniteSpireBayesian inference is the best way of knowing things ever created by humans.
12:39:54 PM+InfiniteSpireIn Bayesian inference, there is always a prior.
12:40:03 PM+InfiniteSpireAnd making inferences is an evidence-driven process.
12:40:14 PM+InfiniteSpireWhat is a prior? It's a summarization of historical evidence.
12:40:27 PM+InfiniteSpireIf you make no inferences -- ever -- then you throw away all evidence ever collected every time you reason.
12:40:34 PM+InfiniteSpireThis, of course, is untenable.
12:41:35 PM+InfiniteSpireThat idiom you learned as a child, "when you assume you make an ass out of u and me" is trash and is entirely subsumed by Bayesian inference.
12:42:16 PM+InfiniteSpireYou'll note, too, that the idiom is an example of inference.
12:42:36 PM+InfiniteSpireIt's a thing you learned in the past and it said, Hey, in the past, a lot of people have made assumptions, and it often irritates people.
12:42:40 PM+InfiniteSpireNow, we teach this to you, young ones.
12:43:21 PM+InfiniteSpireIt's a low-information teaching designed for child mines because the social implications of inference is often harmful. Bayesian inference is the high-information version for adults.
12:45:13 PM+InfiniteSpireBokken: Semantically, Don Lemon said that, but do you agree the quote as written is false?
12:45:32 PM+InfiniteSpireAlso, cultural whiteness isn't the strong predictor -- it's right-wingness.
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12:46:56 PM@xsnlxacknowledging right-wing white men are the predominant domestic terror threat isn't demonizing, that's fact
12:47:29 PM@xsnlxdemonizing is when you exaggerate (or fabricate) something
12:48:14 PM+InfiniteSpirexsnlx: Demonization is a word for dumb people.
12:48:18 PM+InfiniteSpireLet us speak like smart people.
12:48:49 PM@xsnlxyes, a black man having an opinion is very vexing
12:49:02 PM+InfiniteSpireThat wasn't directed at me, right.
12:49:26 PM@xsnlxagain, demonizing is when you exaggerate (or fabricate) something
12:50:02 PM@xsnlxno exaggeration or fabrication necessary: right-wing white men are the predominant domestic terror threat in the U.S.
12:50:57 PM+InfiniteSpireThacker-: I think you're a bad ambassador for Christ.
12:51:04 PM@xsnlxPlease discuss the topic, not the discussers
12:51:34 PM+InfiniteSpirexsnlx: Christ told us to call out Christians for their behavior in public.
12:51:52 PM+InfiniteSpireIt's important to allow all people's culture find a home in this room, not just your European model of debate.
12:52:03 PM@xsnlxand, if we wanted to sharpen that even more, we could add "armed, right-wing white men", since the majority of domestic terrorism is perpetrated with firearms
12:52:32 PM@xsnlxThacker-, 1. you're comparing apples and oranges, 2. that's not true
12:53:13 PM@xsnlxI don't care to quibble, it's still apples and oranges
12:53:31 PM+InfiniteSpire15 “If your brother or sister[b] sins,[c] go and point out their fault, just between the two of you. If they listen to you, you have won them over. 16 But if they will not listen, take one or two others along, so that ‘every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.’[d] 17 If they still refuse to listen, tell it to the church; and if they refuse to listen even to the church, treat them as you would a pagan or a tax collector.
12:53:38 PM@xsnlxoh, you wish to categorize gang murders as terrorism?
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12:54:21 PM@xsnlxoh, so you just want to change the subject...noted
12:54:32 PM+InfiniteSpireI engaged Thacker- in a debate where I followed the European model well, and Thacker- did not.
12:54:44 PM+InfiniteSpireThen, xsnlx exclusively engaged Thacker-.
12:54:53 PM+InfiniteSpireThis incentives bad chat.
12:55:06 PM Ignoring xsnlx!*@*
12:55:13 PM+InfiniteSpire@xsnlxoh, so you just want to change the subject...noted
12:55:23 PM+InfiniteSpireHe literally is nothing the fallacies in real-time.
12:55:27 PM+InfiniteSpirenoting*
12:55:57 PM+InfiniteSpireA: What are you doing?
12:56:09 PM+InfiniteSpireB: I'm holding that person accountable to their own belief system.
12:56:14 PM+InfiniteSpireA: That's no my belief system.
12:56:16 PM+InfiniteSpireB: Agreed.
12:56:27 PM+InfiniteSpireA: Don't hold that person accountable to their belief system, as it contradicts my belief system.
12:56:34 PM+InfiniteSpireB: Wait, you want everyone to uphold your belief system?
12:56:36 PM+InfiniteSpireA: That's right.
12:56:45 PM+InfiniteSpireB: While not upholding the belief systems of anybody else?
12:56:47 PM+InfiniteSpireA: Correct.
12:58:25 PM+InfiniteSpireB: I'd like to discuss the logic of requiring everybody to uphold your belief system while you disallow that for others.
12:58:27 PM+InfiniteSpireA: No.
12:58:29 PM+InfiniteSpireB: What?
12:58:36 PM+InfiniteSpireA: No. If you continue I'll use force against you.
12:58:52 PM+InfiniteSpireB: Wait, isn't your belief system purportedly based on challenging all assumptions?
12:58:56 PM+InfiniteSpireA: Final warning.
12:59:09 PM+InfiniteSpireB: So, we're not really upholding your belief system, then, right. We're just upholding your emotions.
1:01:26 PM+InfiniteSpireB: You convinced me -- your belief system is European.
1:01:28 PM+InfiniteSpireA: Thank you.
1:01:39 PM+InfiniteSpireB: It's the fascism from Europe, as oppose to the Greek or Christian roots.