[4:26 PM] Ark: Get out of the VC, Ike.
[4:26 PM] Ark: Don't be a looooser
[4:26 PM] Ike: Yeah yeah, it always does that.
[4:27 PM] Ark: I know, lol
[4:27 PM] Doperland: o7
[4:27 PM] Ike: Alright
[4:27 PM] Ark: Okay, now we list priories.
[4:27 PM] Ike: Someone invite Harm
[4:28 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I've already sent the link.
[4:28 PM] Ark: GG
[4:28 PM] Ike: 1. Get Harmoneia on our side, preferably to initiate a recall
2. Gauge support for a recall vote in hopes of taking our region back
Ike pinned a message to this channel. See all the pins.07/17/2017
[4:28 PM] Morozovia: Viva La Lazarus
[4:28 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Calm down everyone for a sec, you're operating half blind :stuck_out_tongue:
[4:28 PM] Ike: lol
[4:28 PM] Ark: Then help us out, lol
[4:28 PM] Omega: Howdy
[4:29 PM] Ark: Heyo
[4:29 PM] Wintermoot: We've already talked about a recall vote on our side
[4:29 PM] Ark: Anyways I've got people working on anti-Funk propaganda.
[4:29 PM] Ark: Good.
[4:29 PM] Ark: Then we're almost on the same page.
[4:29 PM] Ike: lol propaganda
[4:29 PM] Ike: proud of u
[4:30 PM] Ark: We need to recall him and get someone else into the Delegacy.
[4:30 PM] Morozovia: But who?
[4:30 PM] Ark: Well
[4:30 PM] Ark: Ike, Amerion, Myself
[4:30 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Amerion.
[4:30 PM] Ike: Doperland is our best option isn't he?
[4:30 PM] Ike: Defender of the Realm, lot of endos
[4:31 PM] Ark: We need someone who will do it longterm.
[4:31 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Doperland is next in line if Funk is recalled.
[4:31 PM] Doperland: I'm close to Funk so I guess I could hold it temporarily.
[4:31 PM] Wintermoot: I've already written something up. Our intention was for me to post the motion of no confidence, since most others have been too involved in recent events, but if there's someone better they can take it and make it their own if they want.
[4:31 PM] Ark: An election still gets triggered though
[4:31 PM] Ike: Longterm then
[4:31 PM] Ark: I think Harm should do it, WM
[4:31 PM] Ike: ^
[4:31 PM] Ike: I'm too controversial
[4:31 PM] Ike: And Somy does R/D
[4:31 PM] Ark: Poetic justice, as I said.
[4:31 PM] Doperland: Everyone loves Harm, yeah.
[4:31 PM] Ark: He tried to kick her out, she gets to return the favor.
[4:31 PM] Omega: Can we get a Prelate masking?
[4:32 PM] Wintermoot: Our concern was that Harm was too close to recent events, but if she wants to do it I'm all for it.
[4:32 PM] Ike: One sec
[4:32 PM] Ark: We'll see when she arrives here.
[4:32 PM] Ike: There we go
[4:32 PM] Ark: So doper takes the Delegacy temporarily, woke The election gets triggered by funk's recall
[4:33 PM] Seraph: Yo.
[4:33 PM] Ike: heyo
[4:33 PM] Ark: Hey seraph
[4:33 PM] Ark: *While
[4:33 PM] Ike: Any ranks in the region I should mask you for?
[4:33 PM] Seraph: As far as I can tell I'm still not a citizen, so I can't do much, but you have my full support.
[4:33 PM] Ike: Ah
[4:33 PM] Ike: You should apply then
[4:33 PM] Seraph: I did, three days ago.
[4:33 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): he has, silly :stuck_out_tongue:(edited)
[4:33 PM] Ike: bleh
[4:33 PM] Seraph: *he
[4:33 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): *he
[4:33 PM] Ark: lol
[4:33 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): sorry
[4:33 PM] Ike: xD
[4:33 PM] Seraph: That's okay.
[4:34 PM] Ark: Okay, so we really do have to pick someone to be a long term, true Delegate.
[4:34 PM] Seraph: I correct out of a desire for accuracy, not because I'm offended.
[4:34 PM] Ike: No objections to Harm?
[4:34 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): pick?
[4:34 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Who are we here, "picking" delegates
[4:34 PM] Ike: lol
[4:34 PM] Ike: Yeah, I mean, if we win out, ostensibly we'll hold a democratic election
[4:34 PM] Ark: We don't want to have everyone splitting into their own little cabals :stuck_out_tongue:
[4:34 PM] Ike: Unless y'all wanna make a new political faction
[4:35 PM] Omega: Hey so EW is refusing to acknowledge that he can't rule in cases so I'm tempted to recuse on the Amerion case to prevent it from going forward until EW can come to terms with the law.
[4:35 PM] Ike: What happens if you don't recuse?
[4:35 PM] Omega: They will find him guilty no matter what
[4:35 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Ike: this is not a coup, this is working through the law to make the whole faction be shown to be in the wrong :stuck_out_tongue:
[4:35 PM] Ike: >_>
[4:35 PM] Ike: Right.
[4:36 PM] Ark: No, it's not, but Lazarus is no better off if we all start warring over funk's leftovers.
[4:36 PM] Ike: We're doing this legally as best we can
[4:36 PM] Ike: @Omega best recuse yourself then and delay, delay, delay
[4:36 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): We have to get through making Funk into leftovers first.
[4:36 PM] Ike: Delay like you're Mitch McConnell and 4 votes short
[4:36 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): If we do anything illegally, we've failed.
[4:36 PM] Ike: Fair enough.
[4:37 PM] Ike: We can all commit to sticking true to the law as far as it will take us
[4:37 PM] Ike: Though obviously if he pulls a flat out coup, things will change
[4:37 PM] Morozovia: @Somyrion (Aumelodia) Is the whole LCA in on this?
[4:37 PM] Morozovia: Lol
[4:37 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): no, why should they? :stuck_out_tongue:
[4:37 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Katie's not voting in the council anymore
[4:37 PM] Morozovia: Idk... seems all but one is here
[4:37 PM] Morozovia: Oh aww
[4:38 PM] Atlantica: We really ought to get Roavin, CoS and Escade in here. They're not particularly important internally, especially Escade and Roavin, but they are all important in foreign policy if it comes down to a coup given their power in TGW/TSP, TRR and TSP respectively. I'm confident that they'll be on our side.
[4:38 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): EW basically forced her into that...
[4:38 PM] Ike: I talked to Roavin
[4:38 PM] Ike: He doesn't want to get involved
[4:38 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): @Atlantica We have CoS on the line.
[4:38 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): ^
[4:38 PM] Ike: Or else TGW is prone to being accused of trying to puppet regions
[4:38 PM] Ark: Mhm.
[4:39 PM] Ark: So recall Funk, get doper into the temporary Delegacy, and then... figure it out from there?(edited)
[4:40 PM] Ike: Well, honestly
[4:40 PM] Ike: We might want to organize a constitutional convention
[4:40 PM] Ike: The mandate is so god damn convoluted
[4:40 PM] Ike: Needs to be slimmed down and simplified
[4:40 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): You're thinking too far ahead, there's the immediate stuff to deal with.
[4:40 PM] Ike: ^
[4:40 PM] Wintermoot: Mm, let's just get through today
[4:40 PM] Ark: Fair. enough
[4:41 PM] Doperland: As said before, we aren't throwing a coup.
[4:41 PM] Omega: I'm recusing now
[4:41 PM] Ike: Good, good
[4:43 PM] Ike: Who was the one who had that chart of citizens?
[4:44 PM] Atlantica: I think that was Somy.
[4:44 PM] Ike: @Somyrion (Aumelodia)
[4:44 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): yes
[4:44 PM] Ike: Alright so
[4:44 PM] Ike: Do you think we should start talking to people listed on that chart and see if they'll support a recall effort?
[4:44 PM] Ike: We're gonna need to bring out as much turnout as we can
[4:45 PM] Wintermoot: On the other hand, you run the risk of them finding out about it and gathering their own support.
[4:45 PM] Ike: True. But we should stick to the people who voted against Funk's bloc for now to minimize that risk.
[4:46 PM] Omega: http://s15.zetaboards.com/NSLazarus/topic/10253907/1/#new
[4:47 PM] Atlantica: That's not enough people to force through a recall. It wasn't enough people to stop the confirmations of Wolf and confirm CoS.
[4:47 PM] Ike: Exemplary
[4:47 PM] Ike: That's true
[4:47 PM] Omega: Is the recusal statement good?
[4:47 PM] Ark: It was enough to stop them from nixing harm.
[4:47 PM] Ike: It's, as I said, exemplar
[4:47 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): not anymore @Ark with all the new citizens
[4:47 PM] Ike: Yeah but don't recalls have to be two thirds
[4:48 PM] Ark: Dammit.
[4:48 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): We have at least a 4 vote deficit.
[4:48 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): At least.
[4:48 PM] Ark: Is there any way we can get citizenship removed from anyone on the other side?
[4:48 PM] Ark: Perhaps by proving importation?
[4:49 PM] Omega: Perhaps
[4:49 PM] Ike: That depends entirely on the status of the courts, I think
[4:49 PM] Doperland: Are there people on the other side we can get to support us?
[4:49 PM] Ike: Maybe Vapid
[4:49 PM] Ark: If anyone has dirt on one of them or favors to call in, now's the time :stuck_out_tongue:
[4:49 PM] Ike: He's a decent chap
[4:49 PM] Ark: Vapid is friendly to us, yeah.
[4:50 PM] Ark: It's risky though.
[4:50 PM] Atlantica: I said this to Ark and I'll say it here: the only way to stop the raider bloc is to get our own bloc. People who are connected to the NPO need to get NPO people; same with TGW, with TSP, with FORGE (although Lenny's already doing that), etc.
[4:50 PM] Omega: Can we get Escade in here?
[4:50 PM] Ike: Escade is a citizen?
[4:50 PM] Omega: I thought she was
[4:50 PM] Ike: Double check on that
[4:50 PM] Atlantica: She applied a few days ago and was accepted
[4:51 PM] Ike: See if she's on our side then, because if she came in with the wave, we never know
[4:51 PM] Ark: Look, everyone
[4:51 PM] Ark: This
[4:51 PM] Ark: What we are discussing
[4:51 PM] Ark: Is voter importation, through and through
[4:52 PM] Ark: This is stooping for the purpose of stopping.
[4:52 PM] Ike: I don't want to have to bring in people from outside the region
[4:52 PM] Ark: And I want you all to take a long minute to think about it, is all.
[4:52 PM] Omega: We don't bring anyone else into Laz. Only people who are here
[4:52 PM] Ike: ^
[4:52 PM] Ark: I wish Perg wasn't PNG, he knows how to rattle funk like no one else.
[4:52 PM] Doperland: Again, we're not throwing a coup. We're fixing our region.
[4:53 PM] Ark: Yes.
[4:53 PM] Ike: In terms of endorsements, sure, if worse comes to worse, we should organize foreign help to fight for Lazarene democracy
[4:53 PM] Atlantica: We don't have enough people if we don't import people, period.
[4:53 PM] Ike: But as far as legal goes
[4:53 PM] Ike: This is a matter for purely Lazarenes
[4:53 PM] Ark: And for the record, aside from myself and Svez, NPO is not and will not be involved here.
[4:53 PM] Ark: My actions and his actions don't represent the Pacific in any way, okay?
[4:54 PM] Atlantica: It's not ideal, but Funk and Lamb forced our hand by inviting raiderdom.
[4:54 PM] Ike: Look everyone
[4:54 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Fully agreed with Ark and Omega, no bringing more people in.
[4:54 PM] Ike: before we get to discussing important
[4:54 PM] Wintermoot: If you can't save the region without doing what they're doing, there's nothing in the region left worth saving.
[4:54 PM] Ike: *importation
[4:54 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): ^^^
[4:54 PM] Ike: We need to focus on how we can delegitimize the upper hand that Funk has brought in
[4:54 PM] Ark: They did, but we have to fight on our own terms. Better to go down with pride than to succeed knowing you're no better than the person you're replacing.
[4:54 PM] Ike: We've got little hope of fighting in a recall vote as things stand
[4:55 PM] Omega: I'm trying to show he has no knowledge and respect of our laws and willfully compromised the sanctity of the court
[4:55 PM] Ark: If we can't recall him, maybe we can recall his support.
[4:55 PM] Ike: We should explore our options to see that the citizenships of the wave are invalid
[4:55 PM] Ike: And yes, we might be able to reason with his votebots
[4:55 PM] Ike: They are, after all, votebots
[4:56 PM] Ark: We can try to use Lamb's repeated bullying attempts as differ to get him recalled.
[4:56 PM] Ark: *fodder
[4:56 PM] Omega: Lamb bullied me
[4:56 PM] Omega:

[4:56 PM] Ike: But Lamb didn't commit a crime like Funk did
[4:56 PM] Ark: I've seen the screenshot.
[4:56 PM] Ike: well
[4:56 PM] Ark: That's close to harassment, tbh.
[4:56 PM] Ark: If we can compile more
[4:56 PM] Ark: Might have a shot.
[4:56 PM] Omega:

[4:56 PM] Ike: He's clearly trying to get a rise
[4:57 PM] Omega: Well yeah. I just wanted to shut him down
[4:57 PM] Ark: Another thing, and for this we need everyone's thinking cap on
[4:57 PM] Ike: You can tell him that you're not being manipulated by anyone, you are standing up for democracy in Lazarus against a Delegate who has broken the law
[4:57 PM] Ark: Evil Wolf.
[4:57 PM] Ike: Yeah.
[4:57 PM] Ark: We need to neutralize him.
[4:57 PM] Ike: Somehow
[4:57 PM] Ark: Or neuter him
[4:57 PM] Ark: Metaphorically speaking
[4:57 PM] Ark: :stuck_out_tongue:
[4:58 PM] Morozovia: Lamb is known for trying to put people down and in doubt, then funk jumps on it
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[4:58 PM] Ark: What if we blitzed a few recall votes at once? Recall EW as a Guardian and Lamb as an Archbishop. Don't announce it in the main chat, just through these back channels so we have a huge head start on voting.
[4:59 PM] Ark: Announce it after there's an entire page of "aye"s(edited)
[4:59 PM] Omega: I'm shutting his power on the court
[4:59 PM] Ike: Well, what's the minimum amount of debate and voting time for a recall effort?
[4:59 PM] Wintermoot: I'm pretty sure they're watching the forums, too lol
[4:59 PM] Ark: Yes, but we need to discredit him as well.
[4:59 PM] Ike: Yeah, clearly they're monitoring the situation
[4:59 PM] Ark: Sorry, connection
[5:00 PM] Ark: We need to as well.
[5:00 PM] Omega: Ok doing what I can do
[5:00 PM] Ark: You're helping a lot.
[5:00 PM] Ark: But we still have to take EW out of the picture somehow.
[5:00 PM] Ike: Is there any legal basis for submitting a criminal complaint against Funk to the courts?
[5:00 PM] Omega: I can only stop the court for so long.
[5:01 PM] Omega: Ike even if we did it wouldn't matter, they have the majority on it and they seem determined to ignore the law to serve their own interests.
[5:01 PM] Ike: I know
[5:01 PM] Ike: What's the court composition again?
[5:01 PM] Ark: Is there anything we can do to distract EW?
[5:01 PM] Omega: Me, Adytus, EW
[5:01 PM] Ark: Take his attention away?
[5:02 PM] Ike: Adytus eh
[5:02 PM] Ike: Yeah, he's a right rat
[5:02 PM] Ark: Maybe we can screw around with LWU itself.
[5:02 PM] Omega: How??
[5:02 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): get the LCA to detag LWU stuff :yum:
[5:02 PM] Omega: Do we have any friends in LWU?
[5:03 PM] Ark: I dunno, raid it? :stuck_out_tongue:
[5:03 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): can't sorry Ark :frowning:
[5:03 PM] Ark: Delegate has 2 endorsements
[5:03 PM] Omega: Talk to the SPSF. They might help
[5:03 PM] Ark: Just something to take his eye off of Lazarus.
[5:03 PM] Omega: Right
[5:03 PM] Atlantica: We need to recall Adytus as well. There are  logs, some of which have been leaked and others that are still hidden in the Council of Viziers channel, of him conspiring to gain power in Lazarus and TSP.
[5:03 PM] Omega: Make him slip.
[5:03 PM] Omega: Yes there are.
[5:03 PM] Ark: Can you post them here?
[5:04 PM] Ike: @Atlantica really now?
[5:04 PM] Omega: I can find the TSP ones
[5:04 PM] Atlantica: Yup.
[5:04 PM] Ark: We need every last scoop of dirt on them.
[5:04 PM] Atlantica: I have a 500-page document of the entire logs of the Council of Viziers up until I was fired on Google Docs.
[5:05 PM] Ike: you were fired?
[5:05 PM] Ark: Jesus
[5:05 PM] Ike: And wew jesus murphy
[5:05 PM] Atlantica: I haven't read it all, but in the course of getting them I read some pretty interesting shit.
[5:05 PM] Ike: What kind of shit?
[5:06 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): This is what comes of being a super NS history guy :stuck_out_tongue:
[5:06 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I nominate Atlantica to professor
[5:06 PM] Morozovia: I second that
[5:06 PM] Ike: lel
[5:06 PM] Ike: Truly a father of the revolution
[5:06 PM] Ike: Granted, the last time I started a Communist party with Atlantica, he orchestrated a coup against me, but still... :stuck_out_tongue:
[5:07 PM] Atlantica: For example, the entire LLA application by EW that led to the creation of the Honor Guard? Cormac or Adytus, can't remember who, fed EW his legal arguments that said that he had the right to join the LLA per the Mandate.
[5:07 PM] Morozovia: Whats a party without having fun right? :yum:
[5:07 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): well well
[5:07 PM] Ike: jesus
[5:08 PM] Atlantica: I can't find it right now because I'm on mobile, but I'll find them when I get access to a computer.
[5:08 PM] Ike: Cormac's a slimy one, I can tell you that
[5:08 PM] Morozovia: So are we gonna recall all at once?
[5:09 PM] Omega: http://tspforums.xyz/thread-4945.html
The South Pacific
[5:09 PM] Atlantica: Also, this isn't history or anything like that. This is pure old-school intel.
[5:10 PM] Ark: We are allies to TSP
[5:10 PM] Ike: Clever bastard
[5:10 PM] Ark: so this might be almost enough.
[5:10 PM] Atlantica: Anyways, I need to run. Talk to you later!
[5:10 PM] Ark: See ya
[5:10 PM] Ike: Weren't we supposed to bring Harmoneia in here?
[5:11 PM] Ark: Somy sent her an invite link.
[5:12 PM] Morozovia: Is she on our side
[5:12 PM] Ike: Ostensibly
[5:13 PM] Doperland: Hopefully.
[5:13 PM] Ark: She's definitely against funk. That's a start.
[5:13 PM] Morozovia: Ighty
[5:13 PM] Ike: @Somyrion (Aumelodia) any progress on that?
[5:14 PM] Morozovia: We should atleast convince her to hear us out and see that many people sees what's going on
[5:14 PM] Ark: If our two groups don't become one, and soon, then we've failed.
[5:15 PM] Omega: I have told the TSP del if the situation gets much worse I will recommend TSP end their treaty with Laz(edited)
[5:15 PM] Ark: We've let the oldest, proudest Sinker fall into raider hands.
[5:15 PM] Ark: So everyone?
[5:15 PM] Ark: Don't let that shit happen.
[5:15 PM] Omega: Here here
[5:16 PM] Ike: I'll drink to that
[5:16 PM] Ike: Hell, I'll drink to anything
[5:16 PM] Omega: We should get some sodas in here
[5:16 PM] Ark: I'm drinking to that right now, lol.
[5:16 PM] Ark: pops a bottle of sparkling cider
[5:16 PM] Ike: Ouzo for me.
[5:17 PM] Ark: That's for the young-uns
[5:17 PM] Omega: I like sprite
[5:17 PM] Ark: And whiskey for moi
[5:17 PM] Ark: tosses Omega a sprite
[5:17 PM] Ike: Whiskey and rum
[5:17 PM] Omega: And some of that cherry syrup
[5:18 PM] Omega: That stuff is the the shit
[5:18 PM] Ark: that too
[5:18 PM] Ike: Long as we keep the cough syrup out of it
[5:18 PM] Omega: Okay so what do we with the court?
[5:18 PM] Omega: Long term that is the problem
[5:18 PM] Ike: Well
[5:18 PM] Ike: Legally, no sitting judges are valid right now, are they?
[5:19 PM] Omega: Short term is the voter importation
[5:19 PM] Ark: How many successsful coups have there been in the last few years?
[5:20 PM] Ike: Well, there was Cormac's coup last year
[5:20 PM] Morozovia: Too many
[5:20 PM] Ark: I mean long term successful
[5:20 PM] Ike: Most regional officers at the top seized power through an incumbent delegate after he lost an election
[5:20 PM] Ark: Not like
[5:20 PM] Ark: "Took The Delegacy for a week"(edited)
[5:20 PM] Ike: Well, the government established by him and Tim still stands
[5:20 PM] Ark: That's one
[5:20 PM] Ark: How many failed?
[5:21 PM] Omega: I would argue that Adytus and I are legally residing but that the votes need to be recounted for EW and CoS
[5:21 PM] Omega: TSP was couped
[5:21 PM] Ike: The NLO coup was perpetrated some two years ago now
[5:21 PM] Ike: The incumbents were betrayed by a slingshot delegate
[5:21 PM] Ike: But this was before regional officers
[5:21 PM] Ark: So, basically, majority of coups in the last few years have failed miserably?
[5:21 PM] Morozovia: Well the PRL was a mass supported people's republic and was made by Harm and Milo... that lasted till it was couped and taken over by outsiders too
[5:21 PM] Ike: I think there just haven't been any of note
[5:22 PM] Ark: I was thinking
[5:22 PM] Ark: It might actually be easier to fight
[5:22 PM] Ark: If we push Funk to coup.
[5:22 PM] Ike: That would give us as good a reason as any to start pulling outside forces to intervene and preserve Lazarene democracy
[5:22 PM] Ike: Instead of keeping this as a purely internal legalistic citizens' battle over technocracy
[5:23 PM] Ark: Exactly.
[5:23 PM] Ike: If you could get the NPO to commit to helping if that ended up happening, then it might be feasible
[5:23 PM] Morozovia: Who all have fourm admin control?
[5:23 PM] Ike: I don't know where Roavin would stand on letting TGW help
[5:23 PM] Ike: Uh, New Rogernomics I think
[5:23 PM] Wintermoot: Last I saw, Funk has ~60 more endorsements than anyone else
[5:23 PM] Ike: Only 60
[5:23 PM] Wintermoot: That's a significant lead
[5:23 PM] Ike: True
[5:23 PM] Wintermoot: And KK is 2nd
[5:24 PM] Ark: I can guarantee NPO support, but I can tell you some elements in TP would love to stick it to Funkadelia.
[5:24 PM] Ike: I can find elements everywhere on this site that want to stick it to him.
[5:24 PM] Ark: *can't
[5:24 PM] Ark: Sorry
[5:24 PM] Ike: Ah
[5:24 PM] Ark: But
[5:25 PM] Ark: Doesn't mean they can't be convinced.
[5:25 PM] Ike: It would be quite the irony if the NPO ended up being the force that saved Lazarus
[5:25 PM] Morozovia: Right lmao
[5:26 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): If the NPO can fight for GCR and Lazarus's sovereignty beyond their own motives, I'd have no problem with it.
[5:26 PM] Morozovia: Tell them it's a good way to end all jokes about the 2 years before
[5:26 PM] Ark: I like those full-circle, poetic-justice type moments.
[5:27 PM] Ark: You have to remember, GCR Sovereignty has always been our core goal, regardless of some of the admittedly lackluster methods of achieving it. We've learned our lesson.
[5:29 PM] Morozovia: Not to be all party MSL like... but "What about the Minnows"? We will need the masses support too, and let them kmow whats up when the time comes. Funk can easily cry "coup" and they would believe it if not up to date with whats going on in government
[5:29 PM] Ike: That's the problem with the masses
[5:29 PM] Ike: We need to have them on our side somehow, and that takes broadcasting power
[5:29 PM] Morozovia: Not if we tg rhem first
[5:29 PM] Ike: true
[5:30 PM] Ark: Amerion is considering a TG campaign.
[5:30 PM] Morozovia: I'd be willing to go through everyone and tg them. Just need a good copy of the true messege and what's going on.
[5:31 PM] Ark: Or just get Telegram stamps :stuck_out_tongue:
[5:31 PM] Morozovia: If we send one out to everyone then Lamb and Funk will quick to action
[5:32 PM] Morozovia: We should do this only if no other choice though... cause yeah.. conspiracy blah blah (even though to save democracy)
[5:32 PM] Ark: Which is why it's last in the list of to-do's
[5:34 PM] Morozovia: Shouldn't we all be blowing up that point of order Aumelodia made?
[5:35 PM] Svezjacael: Bonjour?
[5:35 PM] Morozovia: Show of mass support might put them in the place to agree for updating and correcting
[5:35 PM] Ike: hola
[5:35 PM] Svezjacael: What've I missed?
[5:35 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): A lot.
[5:35 PM] Morozovia: Dinner... youre late
[5:36 PM] Svezjacael: Can I still have dessert?
Anyways, SITREP? I took my police exam recently so I have my return now.
[5:36 PM] Ike: Well
[5:36 PM] Morozovia: :cookie:
[5:36 PM] Ike: Lot of beer in the fridge
[5:36 PM] Ike: Watered down shit stolen from an all-inclusive in Santo Domingo but it'll do
[5:36 PM] Ike: Anyway
[5:36 PM] Ike: Things to note:
[5:37 PM] Ike: 1. Funk has broken the law and is trying to game our democracy to puppet Lazarus for him, Lamb and their LWU buddies
[5:37 PM] Ike: 2. We're organizing a means to stop this and get him and his cronies out of office as soon as we can
[5:37 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Can we really be so decisive on "he's broken the law"?
[5:37 PM] Ark: We can.
[5:38 PM] Ike: Well, it's our working assumption
[5:38 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): He may have broken the law, we don't know because we have no prelates :stuck_out_tongue:
[5:38 PM] Ike: >_>
[5:38 PM] Ark: We don't have the burden of evidence, but we all know he's done it. Evidence is the key there.
[5:38 PM] Svezjacael: We have no prelates
[5:38 PM] Svezjacael: We
[5:38 PM] Svezjacael: What
[5:38 PM] Ike: We have evidence right out in the open
[5:38 PM] Ark: @Svezjacael we dot have any prelates who are valid atm
[5:38 PM] Svezjacael: ...
[5:39 PM] Ark: Omega has chosen to recuse every case brought before the court in order to stall the LWU peeps
[5:39 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I refused to assent to KK
[5:39 PM] Ark: It's a good thing, kinda
[5:39 PM] Svezjacael: I'm studying for two weeks, and Lazarus is fracturing. sigh what're the LWU doing about it?
[5:39 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Then there's a legal inquiry where either decision would make a prelate or two illegal
[5:39 PM] Ark: Bending the law.
[5:39 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): ^
[5:40 PM] Morozovia: We'll need some sort of backing to back up our recall... or else its just a post saying we dont like how he and people who voted his policys are running Lazarus democracy
[5:40 PM] Ark: And we need you in the legislative, throwing as many wrenches in their legislation as you can Svez.
[5:40 PM] Ike: We should start compiling evidence
[5:40 PM] Ark: Atlántica and I can pretty easily cripple the Executive.
[5:40 PM] Ike: How so?
[5:40 PM] Svezjacael: Convenor at service. Question. Can I recall deputy convenors?
[5:40 PM] Omega: Someone asked if we should blow up the point of order and yes we should
[5:40 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): yes
[5:40 PM] Omega: Yes anytime
[5:41 PM] Svezjacael: Are 13th &/or Tom on Funk's side?
[5:41 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Tom is
[5:41 PM] Morozovia: We all should right now then
[5:41 PM] Ike: 13th is a tricky one
[5:41 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): The13th is basically an innocent child :stuck_out_tongue:
[5:41 PM] Morozovia: Poor guy(edited)
[5:41 PM] Svezjacael: I'll recall deputies under the guise of "the unstable situation"
[5:41 PM] Omega: Okay sounds good
[5:42 PM] Ike: Who are the deputies?
[5:42 PM] Omega: 13th, and tom??
[5:42 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): They're like your little servants, you can do whatever you want with them and no one can complain :stuck_out_tongue:
[5:42 PM] Omega: Well no one should complain
[5:42 PM] Svezjacael: Well, not whatever lmao
[5:42 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): yay making the goverrnment even more unstable >.>
[5:42 PM] Omega: It will force them to coup
[5:42 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): hey, I used to keep mine in the pantry....
[5:42 PM] Ike: It forces their hand, eh?
[5:42 PM] Omega: Yep
[5:43 PM] Omega: Also a public show of support for my decision to recuse myself would be nice
[5:43 PM] Ike: Where would that show of support go, in your idea?
[5:44 PM] Svezjacael: Well, okay, taking Cosmo into account and addressing my  own elephant in the room, I'm dual citizen. Back in TP I do a lot of propaganda. @Ike are you in favor of an underground paper?
[5:44 PM] Omega: Either the point of order thread or the criminal complaint thread.
[5:44 PM] Omega: I am a tri citizen (here, Osiris, and TSP) and I operate a media group in TSP
[5:44 PM] Morozovia: http://s15.zetaboards.com/NSLazarus/topic/10252343/1/
[5:44 PM] Ark: Svez can push out some eye-watering content when he wants to.
[5:45 PM] Ark: But we aren't going for sad here, Comrade.
[5:45 PM] Ark: We want Lazarus Pissed.
[5:45 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Amerion already has an independent little article series
[5:45 PM] Svezjacael: And if Lazarus is being attacked, esp from the inside, I'll make nsgp's guts twist.
[5:45 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): one from Svez'd be good
[5:45 PM] Ike: An underground paper, you say
[5:45 PM] Svezjacael: Good. I'll get a story started then. Laptop starting up.
[5:45 PM] Ark: Whatever you can do, we need to forge the revolution in fire :stuck_out_tongue:
[5:45 PM] Ike: Yes, I'm in favor of that
[5:46 PM] Svezjacael: Brb
[5:46 PM] Ike: We can call it Solidarity or something
[5:46 PM] Omega: Wait do we know who is writing the thing that was posted in GP?
[5:46 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I may have an idea, I think Ark knows?
[5:46 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): In any case it's not essential, just one mroe log on the fire
[5:48 PM] Omega: Altmoras seems sympathetic(edited)
[5:48 PM] Ark: The person who wrote that thing in GP is on our side, but I will not be revealing their identity.
[5:49 PM] Omega: Okay
[5:49 PM] Ark: Amd i think I know what you're talking about @Somyrion (Aumelodia). Share it with the rest of the class :stuck_out_tongue:
[5:49 PM] Omega: I can write some stuff to start getting TSP mad at Laz
[5:49 PM] Omega: When the time comes of course
[5:50 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): @Ark wha?
[5:50 PM] Ark: You said you have an idea?
[5:50 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): oh
[5:50 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I'll remain silent for now
[5:51 PM] Ark: >.>
[5:51 PM] Svezjacael: Laptop loaded up
[5:52 PM] Svezjacael: Anyways, if we publish an underground paper, it'll be anonymously posted, we can work on a GDoc to share it so whoever commands the puppet to post to NSGP can access the thing entire.
[5:52 PM] Ike: Good idea
[5:52 PM] Omega: Sounds good. I'd be willing to help write for it.
[5:53 PM] Ike: We have a name?
[5:53 PM] Omega: The Guardian? Solidarity? The Unionist?
[5:53 PM] Ike: the guardian xD
[5:53 PM] Omega: I know I know
[5:54 PM] Ark: The Lazarene Underground seems fine
[5:54 PM] Ark: Imho
[5:54 PM] Ike: I dunno. Has a bit of a subversive vibe
[5:54 PM] Ike: Solidarity has history as a democratic movement that brought down a bunch of authoritarian asshats, I think it fits well
[5:55 PM] Omega: Okay
[5:55 PM] Ark: The Lazarene Guardian (that didn't get recalled)
[5:55 PM] Ark: :stuck_out_tongue:
[5:55 PM] Svezjacael: I'll go make a transparent header for it.
[5:55 PM] Ike: Radio Free Lazarus
[5:55 PM] Morozovia: Solidarity seem good
[5:55 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I can make a header :stuck_out_tongue:
[5:55 PM] Morozovia: @Ark xD
[5:56 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): please no taunts about solidarity the restorer org D:
[5:56 PM] Svezjacael: Given you're likely far better than I am at graphics, I'll let you do it Som. lol
[5:57 PM] Omega: Hey guys @Griffindor is lazarene. Came in the early stages when I was trying to get some allies to help (like seraph)
[5:57 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): kay :stuck_out_tongue:
[5:57 PM] Griffindor: Hello
[5:57 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): anything specifically you want on it? :stuck_out_tongue:
[5:57 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): hello
[5:58 PM] Andrew: quite a read
[5:59 PM] Ike: Ohey Andrew
[5:59 PM] Omega: Do you feel like the Laz discord could just erupt at any time?
[5:59 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): probably
[6:00 PM] Andrew: oh more reading(edited)
[6:00 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): it's an eerie silence
[6:00 PM] Ark: That's what we want.
[6:00 PM] Svezjacael: Should it though?
[6:00 PM] Svezjacael: If it should, let me do it.
[6:00 PM] Ark: Yes.
[6:00 PM] Omega: It feels so tense. No one has brought up my recusal in there yet.
[6:00 PM] Ike: Maybe
[6:00 PM] Ike: Is now a good time to start raising collective hell?
[6:01 PM] Ark: Let's wait a few hours.
[6:01 PM] Andrew: idts.
[6:01 PM] Ark: When night falls, we raise hell.
[6:01 PM] Andrew: most likely case is they r doing what we r doing, caluclating numbers and how to proceed
[6:01 PM] Ike: aye
[6:01 PM] Ark: Keep funk and them up all night arguing with us.(edited)
[6:01 PM] Svezjacael: What about outside pressure? Omega, you said you're with two other groups, and can get TSP upset with Lazarus, what if I can use my...position...in TP to get another Feeder upset with how Lazarus is going?
[6:01 PM] Andrew: how will that help
[6:02 PM] Ike: There's outside pressure and importing votes
[6:02 PM] Ike: Let's stick to the former
[6:02 PM] Andrew: ^
[6:02 PM] Ark: Because the more on edge they are, the more likely he will coup
[6:02 PM] Ark: And a coup is easier to fight.
[6:02 PM] Andrew: is there a consensus on thats what we want him to do
[6:02 PM] Svezjacael: If Funk coups, which I hope he does, I have the absolute best story to do over that.
[6:02 PM] Ark: Because then voter importation isn't a damn thing :stuck_out_tongue:
[6:02 PM] Andrew: i see
[6:02 PM] Andrew: but is he that daft
[6:03 PM] Ark: Absolutely.
[6:03 PM] Ike: Not yet
[6:03 PM] Ark: He will be
[6:03 PM] Andrew: you know because?
[6:03 PM] Omega: I can't get Osiris to help but I can get TSP mad as hell when the time comes. @Seraph and @Griffindor will have to help with that, and any of you like @Somyrion (Aumelodia) already in TSp would be useful.
[6:04 PM] Ark: I'm not sure if TP getting overtly pissed would help, but if y'all agree on it, Svez and I might just be able to pull it off.
[6:05 PM] Omega: TSP only helps because they are a close ally.
[6:05 PM] Svezjacael: Not "mad" at Lazarus, but I can get the NPO to poke a lot of fun at Funk's government if need be.
[6:05 PM] Ark: That he can.
[6:05 PM] Ike: TSP is good and we have contacts with the NPO which is is a good start
[6:06 PM] Omega: I'll have TSP repeal it NAP and Treaty if needed.
[6:07 PM] Andrew: all im thinking is that just like how Omega saw through Lamb, they might very well see through us. If we start trying to rile him up, yeah that might work or they might see the fact we r trying to push him to the edge. I mean we can all clearly see the planning gon into this which to me implies that he will not want to coup and ruin whatever reputation he has left. I mean does he even have a region he's active in other than Laz?
[6:07 PM] Ark: We need funk's government to have 0 allies. As FA Archbishop, I am making this happen as we speak :stuck_out_tongue:
[6:07 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): LWU
[6:08 PM] Andrew: @Ark that sounds v ominous
[6:08 PM] Ark: Nothing to worry about.
[6:08 PM] Omega: @Ark contact Escade about getting TSP to pull out of both of the treaties.
[6:08 PM] Ark: Both?
[6:09 PM] Ark: Hm
[6:09 PM] Omega: Both
[6:09 PM] Ark: Fair enough.
[6:09 PM] Omega: NAP and treaty of friendship.
[6:09 PM] Morozovia: I know in the last election... we never thought we'd be voting people in for the duty to disrupt the government in order to preserve it :thinking: xD
[6:09 PM] Omega: It sends a stronger message.
[6:09 PM] Andrew: it does.
[6:09 PM] Andrew: Wont that send em into a panic
[6:10 PM] Omega: Then Somyrion and I can raise hell in the TSP Assembly during the debate about the withdraw.(edited)
[6:10 PM] Andrew: how?
[6:10 PM] Omega: TSP is required to debate any withdraw in the Assembly before it can go forward.
[6:11 PM] Omega: Somy and I are both legislators and we can capitalize on the moment to really turn TSP against Funk.
[6:11 PM] Ark: I bet Roavin would help support
[6:12 PM] Omega: I bet. Seraph and Griffindor are also in TSp
[6:14 PM] Andrew: i see
[6:15 PM] Omega: Yep.
[6:17 PM] Andrew: Whats Plan B
[6:18 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia):

[6:18 PM] Omega: Recall? Court case? Insit Svez can override a deputy's counting of votes?
[6:18 PM] Morozovia: I think sombody told funk :joy:
[6:18 PM] Omega: Why?
[6:18 PM] Ark: What?
[6:18 PM] Morozovia: Cause he just flipped his attitude
[6:18 PM] Omega: Evidence?
[6:18 PM] Morozovia: http://s15.zetaboards.com/NSLazarus/topic/10254118/1/#new
[6:20 PM] Morozovia: The Appeasement bill
[6:20 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia):

[6:20 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia):

[6:20 PM] Ark: lol
[6:20 PM] Andrew: he's making a move and  may already have the votes for this if not already working on it
[6:21 PM] Ark: That's not good Moro
[6:21 PM] Ark: He's trying to take away Somy's only real power here
[6:21 PM] Andrew: we're gonna need to vote this down
[6:21 PM] Omega: I spoke my opposition in the thread. Raise hell in that thread. Svez we need to make debate las as long as possible.
[6:21 PM] Andrew: ^
[6:21 PM] Omega: Like as long as possible.
[6:21 PM] Omega: Get ready to filibuster people.
[6:21 PM] Svezjacael: cracks knuckles
Oh boy, this will be fun
[6:21 PM] Morozovia: Well the point is vote fruad and ect. Reforms that are needed. Not just him not having rule of say at the end of the day over
[6:22 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I can't really say much without looking like I'm trying to hold onto my power
[6:22 PM] Omega: @Ark try to get escade to act ASAP
[6:23 PM] Ike: Who's ready to go Rand Paul on his ass
[6:23 PM] Andrew: while he's making me moves, we should start making our own if we can
[6:24 PM] Ark: I replied.
[6:24 PM] Ark: And if he chooses to poke me back about it, then he's opening a door he won't be able to close.
[6:25 PM] Andrew: not very subtle are we
[6:25 PM] Ark: Not anymore.
[6:25 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): We can't afford to be that subtle anymore
[6:25 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): unfortunately
[6:25 PM] Omega: I'm getting Roavin to bring it to the Cabinet
[6:26 PM] Andrew: oh. Now i understand
[6:28 PM] Svezjacael: So, I'm going to make sure I'm not starting off propaganda too strong here, so please give feedback before I post
[6:28 PM] Svezjacael: I'm not sure what I've missed while I was studying for the police academy exam, but removing the power of the Celestial Being's only position makes it a glorified citizen of the season position, which I'm against. Before you know it, Convenor will be the manager of deputies, who hold the real power, prelates will just review the history of legal things and only the council can determine legality of anything, people in charge of the LCA just push papers and write reports while the LCA itself runs under another department, and etc etc. Removing the power of one department is the dangerous domino effect that works against the democracy Lazarus stands for. And yes, while "at discretion" isn't democratic, it is how Lazarus functions, with an emergency power use. This position is essential, as it is, in the working of Lazarene governance. To strip that power of the Celestial Being is to consolidate power elsewhere, and such a legal means of creating autocracy in a grand democracy that i know and love is an abhorrent attack I myself will not support
[6:30 PM] Andrew: alr8
[6:30 PM] Ark: Might wanna tone it down at the end there just a tad
[6:30 PM] Omega: Looks fine, just fix the capitalization issues.
[6:30 PM] Ark: But otherwise really good
[6:30 PM] Omega: No intense is good.
[6:30 PM] Andrew: Wat Ark said
[6:30 PM] Doperland: So, I don't doubt our cause, but do we have undeniable evidence that Funk's regime is corrupt?(edited)
[6:30 PM] Svezjacael: So beyond capitalization issues (quick typing, my bad) am I keeping or toning? I've heard both
[6:31 PM] Ark: Maybe don't use the word autocracy when you're from TP? :stuck_out_tongue:
[6:31 PM] Svezjacael: Hmmm....got it
[6:31 PM] Svezjacael: :joy:
[6:31 PM] Omega: He willfully allowed those citizens to come in in the last hours of the prelate vote and so many of them went to vote how he did.
[6:31 PM] Omega: I think that speaks volumes.
[6:32 PM] Omega: And then he has fought tooth and nail about the legality of that action.(edited)
[6:32 PM] Seraph: Should I bump my citizenship app.?
[6:32 PM] Doperland: I mean, the voting thing could hypothetically be chance, couldn't it?
[6:33 PM] Omega: Maybe...
[6:33 PM] Omega: But it's highly doubtful.(edited)
[6:33 PM] Doperland: Yeah seraph.
[6:33 PM] Doperland: I mean I'm just trying to think of arguments that could be used against us.
[6:33 PM] Doperland: It's best to have as much support as possible.
[6:34 PM] Ike: I don't believe those citizens were eligible to vote
[6:34 PM] Ike: Newcomers can't vote during election time if my memory of the mandate serves
[6:34 PM] Morozovia: Why didn't we think of having a rule that states application during elections can't vote till the next?
[6:34 PM] Ike: Yet Funk, as elections commissioner, let them anyway
[6:34 PM] Ike: That is blatant corruption
[6:34 PM] Doperland: They couldn't under the Elections act.
[6:34 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): @Ike it's due to a dispute over whether they were actually elections
[6:34 PM] Morozovia: Yeah..  I believe we had this issue with our elections before
[6:35 PM] Ike: Right
[6:35 PM] Seraph: Done, politely.  I very much doubt they believe I'm here for any other reason than to add to your support, but it's worth the try.
[6:35 PM] Morozovia: @Somyrion (Aumelodia) oh... that makes sense
[6:35 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): LWU-side claims they weren't as there's a law in the Elections Act saying that prelate elections are just council confirmations(edited)
[6:35 PM] Omega: Yeah...
[6:36 PM] Ike: And what's the text of that law?
[6:36 PM] Seraph: And now I gotta go to bed 'cos I have an early job interview.  Good luck!  I'll try to catch up after...
[6:36 PM] Morozovia: So because we didn't have a law saying it was a clear election... funk and lamb is using that as a loop?
[6:37 PM] Svezjacael: So we have C S Colbert in here? Though I never imagined working with him, he was the biggest headache I ever had as media representative of the NLO back in 2015. If we want a headache, he's another wonderful guy to get on our table.
[6:37 PM] Ike: He's in the MSL
[6:37 PM] Ike: Is all I know
[6:37 PM] Omega: 8) A citizen whose application was accepted during a regular or special election cycle is unable to cast a vote in said election.
[6:37 PM] Omega: There is the part that would stop them
[6:37 PM] Ike: We invited him because he's fanatical about red Laz which is just what our party needs
[6:38 PM] Morozovia: He's a poet too
[6:38 PM] Omega: This part causes problems: 3) In Regards to Prelates: In the clauses Article IV SS3E, and Article IV SS6 of the mandate, the term 'elect' shall be interpreted to mean a simple majority confirmation vote in the Cosmic Council.
[6:38 PM] Svezjacael: I remember the anti-NPO poetry, no worries. lol I wouldn't recommend him if I didn't know how effective he was.
[6:38 PM] Ike: Well there it is, isn't it?
[6:38 PM] Omega: Svez have you fired the deputies?
[6:38 PM] Svezjacael: Not yet, I'm about to though.
[6:39 PM] Omega: Okay.
[6:39 PM] Omega: I'm sorry it has come to this.
[6:39 PM] Ike: Ain't we all
[6:39 PM] Ike: Ain't we all
[6:40 PM] Morozovia: :sweat:
[6:40 PM] Omega: @thechurchofsatan can you get TRR to pull out of its treaty with Laz?
[6:41 PM] Ike: Shouldn't we first be threatening abandonment of the treaties instead of outright retracting them to use as leverage?
[6:41 PM] Andrew: ^
[6:41 PM] Omega: Good call
[6:42 PM] Doperland: Yeah. Ideally we'd like to keep the treaties, wouldn't we? We just want Funk's regime ousted.
[6:43 PM] Ark: We can always renegotiate the treaties later.
[6:43 PM] Ark: We need Funk out, regardless.
[6:43 PM] Omega: I'm talking with Roavin about the TSP one.
[6:44 PM] Doperland: Fair enough.
[6:45 PM] Svezjacael: Has the Convenor's Corner been removed? I suddenly can't find it anymore.
[6:48 PM] Omega: http://s15.zetaboards.com/NSLazarus/topic/10137739/3/#new
[6:50 PM] Omega: Okay we have 3 days max until this goes to a vote.
[6:53 PM] Ike:

[6:53 PM] Ike: Intensify tarting efforts.
[6:55 PM] Svezjacael: http://s15.zetaboards.com/NSLazarus/topic/10137739/3/#new

No more Deputies. Anybody here got the admin powers to do so with powers on the forums?
[6:56 PM] Morozovia: Yeah funk and lamb knows
[6:56 PM] Svezjacael: Knows what? About this chat?
[6:57 PM] Morozovia: By their recent 30 min action... yeah probably
[6:57 PM] Svezjacael: Hm. Well then.
[6:58 PM] Svezjacael: Well, we'll have to be more careful on what we say and who's around when it's said.
[7:00 PM] Morozovia: Lamb just used the flip card on us with  Funks bill. Though I say we shouldn't back down now. If they already know, that means they also know whos all involved. So I say we go forward and just stick to the plan and also push for the reforms needed with this issue of this recent election and how it was handled
[7:01 PM] Omega: Yep
[7:01 PM] Morozovia: We still need to be discrete about this
[7:01 PM] Omega: They know I'm in this.
[7:01 PM] Omega: Also this: http://s15.zetaboards.com/NSLazarus/topic/10254152/1/
[7:04 PM] Andrew: what would that require?
[7:05 PM] Omega: An addition to the LPA I think.
[7:07 PM] Andrew: so regular amendment to statutory law. Obviously they can see we r just tring to stall them. Is this a distraction or a legit attempt to slow them down or both?
[7:08 PM] Omega: Both
[7:08 PM] Ike: @here y'all think now is a good time to start raising hell?
[7:08 PM] Ike: in the discord citizens chat i mean
[7:09 PM] Omega: Sure
[7:09 PM] Svezjacael: I have taken an "abstain" position on the convenor conversation to keep any bias away from evidence, but if you guys want to voice my opinions for me, just ask me directly and I'll address the commentary like I said I would.
[7:10 PM] Doperland: Shouldn't we try to handle this swiftly and with as little hell raising as possible?
[7:11 PM] Andrew: I personally think its abit too early to be raising hell
[7:12 PM] Doperland: Yeah..
[7:12 PM] Ike: Alright, we'll hold off.
[7:13 PM] Andrew: Pushing Funk to coup is a abit of a weighted toin coss that doesnt work in our favour, and just raising hell now means it wont burn as fierce when it may be mosted needed: the lead up to the Election.
[7:13 PM] Ike: But the leadup to the election is irrelevant if we decide to push a recall effort
[7:14 PM] Omega: Right
[7:14 PM] Ike: let's keep our hellraising to the forums for now until we can find the right time to cause a ruckus in discord
[7:15 PM] Andrew: without real evidence, a recall effort will be a weak attempt. Especially seeing the numbers needed for it
[7:15 PM] Svezjacael: Not to mention we should work on the paper for a moment.
[7:16 PM] Omega: Oh yes that
[7:16 PM] Ike: Right
[7:16 PM] Svezjacael: If we get more people moving with the paper, we can get the support we need to effectively launch our hell raising.
[7:17 PM] Ike: What kind of articles should we be putting out to start with?
[7:17 PM] Ike: We could issue a strongly-worded condemnation of Funk and Lamb's efforts to corrupt our political system
[7:17 PM] Svezjacael: The surge of LWU citizens after the "independent" movement, the attempt to remove CB's powers, etc etc
[7:19 PM] Curious Observations: Hail.
[7:19 PM] Omega: Howdy
[7:19 PM] Ike: So we've got Mr. Mysterious on board
[7:19 PM] Omega: Bingo
[7:20 PM] Curious Observations: Sorry for remaining anonymous. I assure you it's only out of necessity.
[7:20 PM] Ike: No hard feelings
[7:21 PM] Andrew: is that a joke i dont get or is that someone whos really staying anonymous
[7:21 PM] Curious Observations: It's not a joke :weary:
[7:22 PM] Ike: He's (they're) probably someone we all know well, and it'll be great fun when their true identity is revealed after this all blows over :stuck_out_tongue:
[7:22 PM] Ike: Anyway, to catch you up
[7:22 PM] Ike: We've concluded that a recall effort is unviable given all of Funk's puppet votes
[7:22 PM] Doperland: I'm half expecting it to be Funk.
[7:22 PM] Andrew: ^
[7:22 PM] Omega: Bingo
[7:23 PM] Omega: Funk knows he must do Lamb's bidding but really doesn't want to.
[7:24 PM] Ike: Ark knows who it is, and I trust Ark.
[7:24 PM] Omega: Sounds good
[7:25 PM] Svezjacael: Back, been dealing with stuff in other areas. Anything new I missed
[7:25 PM] Omega: I'm trying to characterize Lamb as attempting to ram things through the legislature in the debate on my proposal.
[7:26 PM] Svezjacael: Who's the new red guy?
[7:26 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Unless we have condemning evidence, we should not try a recall vote.
[7:26 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Just putting that out there
[7:26 PM] Ike: He's the one who published the big GP paper exposing Funk's bullshit
[7:26 PM] Omega: Bingo
[7:27 PM] Svezjacael: Oh. Well, welcome Journalist. :stuck_out_tongue:
[7:27 PM] Ike: For now, we must oppose the efforts of Funk and his cabal to consolidate their power
[7:27 PM] Omega: Yep
[7:28 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): @Curious Observations you may like this :stuck_out_tongue:

[7:28 PM] Ike: And for the record, don't invite people here without running it by me or Ark first. I don't want anyone making the mistake of thinking someone like Adytus has any good will coming into this server.
Ike pinned a message to this channel. See all the pins.07/17/2017
[7:28 PM] Omega: Should you put the link to that thing in here?
[7:28 PM] Ike: I brought CO here because I trust them, and that's because Ark does. We need to be careful with our admissions
[7:29 PM] Omega: Understood.
[7:29 PM] Omega: @Somyrion (Aumelodia) link to the spreadsheet for them here?
[7:30 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1yjU_vVpU-Y-UtJC0DHiC1EkyLR3K-SQ3sxnV7t1W968/edit?usp=sharing
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Sheet1 Union, Wolf, Neutral, Non-Voting, Only, Leaning Neutral, All Neutral, Voting Closes:, 7/ 12 18: 14, 7/ 14 23: 05, 7/ 15 9: 16, 7/ 16 15: 54,* Sheet must be edited for time to display correctly. Amerion, Funkadelia, Alunya, Capercom, Union, 17, 20, 26,* Time Until Closing:,- 119: 07: 48,...

[7:31 PM] Svezjacael: I am union support, so though I have voted little you can move Rushian Kingdom to blue
[7:32 PM] Omega: We decided to call ourselves the unionists in the old chat we had.
[7:32 PM] Svezjacael: I assumed as much from the names in the spreadsheet.
[7:32 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): k
[7:32 PM] Ike: Unionists, eh?
[7:32 PM] Ike: Not bad
[7:33 PM] Ike: But I consider myself more of a Republican
[7:33 PM] Ike: #tiocfaidharla
[7:33 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): also on that note get a better discord logo :stuck_out_tongue:
[7:33 PM] Ike: >_>
[7:33 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I'll make one <.<
[7:33 PM] Svezjacael: INB4 PRL pls
[7:33 PM] Svezjacael: :stuck_out_tongue:
[7:34 PM] Ike: say no more fam
[7:34 PM] Ike: Up the Ra
[7:34 PM] Omega: Oh god
[7:34 PM] Svezjacael: I support this logo
[7:34 PM] Omega: I'm not sure about this?(edited)
[7:34 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): >.<
[7:35 PM] Svezjacael: Erin go Bragh
[7:35 PM] Ike: you'll never beat the irish
[7:36 PM] Omega: Okay
[7:36 PM] Svezjacael: I have ancestors who were in the troubles
[7:36 PM] Svezjacael: But back to relevance
[7:36 PM] Ike: Lot of us do
[7:37 PM] Ike: What matters is that today there is peace
[7:37 PM] Ike: Let's try to bring about the same in Lazarus
[7:37 PM] Svezjacael: Indeed. Full agreement.
[7:37 PM] Omega: I have an ancestor who fled to the Appalachian Mountains after committing a crime.
[7:38 PM] Ike: My great grandfather was an RCMP officer who cheated on his wife with the police commissioner's wife then abandoned his family and children to start a new one in a far away town
[7:38 PM] Ike: Great chap.
[7:47 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): back into irrelevance

[7:50 PM] Curious Observations: I have read the entire backlog now.
[7:50 PM] Omega: I like that
[7:51 PM] Omega: I've got good news, they need a 2/3rds vote to amend the mandate.
[7:51 PM] Curious Observations: I hope I do not look like Funkadelia. I would prove it using the WA, but cannot right now. Perhaps in a few days.
[7:51 PM] Omega: It's fine we were messing around
[7:53 PM] Curious Observations: My advice would be to obtain the help of true natives in the region, by clearly showing what is known and why it is an infringement upon Lazarene sovereignty.
[7:54 PM] Curious Observations: The newspaper that was proposed can certainly help with those efforts.
[7:54 PM] Curious Observations: Furthermore, in case of a coup, long-time natives with a high influence score will be invaluable. That means Loftegen, Alunya, and others.
[7:55 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I telegrammed Alunya a while back about applying to become a Guardian; they haven't responded.
[7:55 PM] Curious Observations: Trackeendy too.
[7:57 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Track is Xiaosael on discord
[7:57 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I can get in touch with him/her.
[7:58 PM] Curious Observations: I wonder what reaction I would receive if I were to join the Lazarus Discord server with this account. :laughing:
[7:58 PM] Omega: Good luck if you did.
[7:58 PM] Morozovia: That would be hilarious
[7:59 PM] Morozovia: But highly suspicious
[7:59 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): @Ike can we add Pherttsylvania?
[7:59 PM] Svezjacael: I can attest to the fact that Phertts has just gone against Lamb on my Convenor's Chamber's area.
[7:59 PM] Svezjacael: But the trust to add is to you and Ark.
[8:00 PM] Omega: I saw that. I'm very happy.
[8:00 PM] Curious Observations: Indeed, that was quite enjoyable to read.
[8:00 PM] Curious Observations: I adore NationStates drama.
[8:00 PM] Svezjacael: As am I. Though I hate playing 'neutral', I'm used to it with my prior infiltration operations in the past.
[8:00 PM] Curious Observations: I don't know what that says about me, but I cannot deny it.
[8:00 PM] Svezjacael: I adore drama entire. NS drama is just a special highlight IMO, CO
[8:00 PM] Omega: Last time I was involved in drama like this I started a party that is now the largest in TSP.
[8:01 PM] Andrew: well im going to bed
[8:01 PM] Andrew: night all
[8:01 PM] Svezjacael: Night 'dres
[8:01 PM] Svezjacael: * 'drew
[8:01 PM] Omega: Night
[8:01 PM] Svezjacael: I have a question though, but mostly for the people in charge of La Res here.
[8:02 PM] Doperland: What is it?
[8:03 PM] Svezjacael: Would infiltrating their ranks to feed info back here be against the ideals? I'm not keen to use my PG tools elsewhere, but for the betterment and restoration of Lazarus I'm more than willing.
[8:03 PM] Morozovia: Well that would depend on how much info you give them
[8:04 PM] Andrew: ^
[8:04 PM] Andrew: and I doubt they would trust u in return
[8:04 PM] Andrew: pple like them have tight nit circles
[8:04 PM] Andrew: rlly tight
[8:05 PM] Svezjacael: Yes, but I've moved in on tighter ones before. TNP was a fun place to infiltrate.
[8:05 PM] Andrew: what
[8:05 PM] Morozovia: They might suspect whats up even more if not knowing everything already
[8:05 PM] Atlantica: I'm not only not opposed to it but actively supportive of it, but I have been more pragmatic and unfettered in pursuing LR's goals than most others (what with supporting voter importation)
[8:06 PM] Morozovia: It might work if you trigger right.. should take caution
[8:07 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): can we please add phertt? :stuck_out_tongue:
[8:07 PM] Atlantica: For the record, I'm not sure if being an Archbishop puts me in a leadership role here or not @Ike
[8:07 PM] Svezjacael: I'll slowly see what I can do.
[8:33 PM] Amerion: Okay ... Lot's to read ... Anyone wanna catch me up?
[8:34 PM] Omega: I stalled the Court forever.
[8:34 PM] Svezjacael: We're starting a news paper for underground, we're tired of the LWU influence, and we're working to keep Lazarus in the hands of the Lazarene.
[8:35 PM] Omega: We also have to fight the amendment Funk has proposed to the mandate.
[8:35 PM] Svezjacael: I've also removed my deputies to keep the voting procedure stalled as long as I can when it's a LWU motive in support.
[8:36 PM] thechurchofsatan: @Omega I'm not prepared to pull TRR and Lazarus out of their oldest treaties. Nor will I allow my duties as TRR delegate to spill over to my responsibility to Lazarus.
[8:36 PM] Morozovia: See they know it was voted for they're just nick picking the letter and chosing what is and isn't an election... wow funk and lamb are try hards
[8:37 PM] Omega: Okay that's perfectly reasonable CoS.
[8:53 PM] Amerion: Ah
[8:53 PM] Amerion: Interesting
[8:58 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): :rolling_eyes: http://s15.zetaboards.com/NSLazarus/topic/10254217/1/
[8:58 PM] Amerion: Hmm
[8:59 PM] Morozovia: Well then(edited)
[9:04 PM] Atlantica: Those last six words from the question "Regions you are and have been involved in" are perhaps in equal part the most terrifying words in a citizen application yet at the same time six words that confirm all of our suspicions and can be used to our advantage.
[9:08 PM] Omega: We win
[9:09 PM] Morozovia: Bingo
[9:11 PM] Morozovia: I say we gather all applications accepted during and even go as far as since the election... maybe a day before to check even more for where these guys came from
[9:11 PM] Omega: I agree
[9:11 PM] Morozovia: If they match... then somebody's been a bad recruiter(edited)
[9:12 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Is it possible Mek's joking?
[9:12 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): somebody pin my sheet here
[9:13 PM] Morozovia:



[9:13 PM] Morozovia: Just in case Funk deletes some... must be sure
[9:13 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1yjU_vVpU-Y-UtJC0DHiC1EkyLR3K-SQ3sxnV7t1W968/edit?usp=sharing @Morozovia feel free to make a new tab and add stuff there
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Sheet1 Union, Wolf, Neutral, Non-Voting, Only, Leaning Neutral, All Neutral, Voting Closes:, 7/ 12 18: 14, 7/ 14 23: 05, 7/ 15 9: 16, 7/ 16 15: 54,* Sheet must be edited for time to display correctly. Amerion, Funkadelia, Alunya, Capercom, Union, 20, 21, 26,* Time Until Closing:,- 122: 58: 52,...

[9:14 PM] Atlantica: Aaaand Zaolat literally just said that NK sent him into Lazarus not only on his app, but also on Curious Observation's thread
[9:14 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): just snipped in case of edits

[9:14 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): ah
[9:14 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): well then
[9:22 PM] Ike: @Somyrion (Aumelodia) Phertt is good
[9:22 PM] Ike: Also, is this not blatant voter importation?
[9:25 PM] Pherttsylvania: Thank goodness it seems I've finally ended up in the right channel
[9:26 PM] Pherttsylvania: @Somyrion (Aumelodia) that applicant screenshot you just posted was just the icing on the cake imo
[9:26 PM] Pherttsylvania: they're openly flaunting that they've oh so cleverly couped Laz
[9:26 PM] Pherttsylvania: i'm going to read back everything here to make sure i'm up to speed
[9:27 PM] Ike: We cannot allow them to claim victory.
[9:27 PM] Svezjacael: Oh hey, Phert is here.
[9:35 PM] Amerion: @Wintermoot , I thought we were submitting a motion of no confidence?
[9:35 PM] Amerion: Hi @Pherttsylvania
[9:36 PM] Wintermoot: I believe the consensus was that people wanted Harmoneia to submit that motion
[9:36 PM] Ike: Where is she, anyway?(edited)
[9:37 PM] Amerion: Probably writing her thesis
[9:37 PM] harmoneia: Uhm why
[9:37 PM] Andrew: I thought the consensus was we were holding off till concreate evidence came to light. But i guess recent developmemrs fit the bill?(edited)
[9:38 PM] Ike: @harmoneia welcome
[9:38 PM] Ike: good to have you here
[9:39 PM] harmoneia: Am I not too involved seeing as how Amerion was lobbying votes for me
[9:40 PM] Ike: I would hope that you could become involved to a greater degree. You're quite possibly the most respected person in Lazarus
[9:40 PM] Amerion: I am so not impressed that they consider that a crime
[9:40 PM] harmoneia: Not to these pilers who do nothing but vote and have no principles of their own
[9:40 PM] Amerion: I agree with Ike on this, you have the most amount of pull here
[9:40 PM] harmoneia: Lol
[9:41 PM] Ike: You have sway among the people who can be convinced to care
[9:41 PM] Ike: It also discredit's Cormac's attempted gaslighting of our movement as a group of freeloaders who want to subvert our sovereignty
[9:42 PM] Amerion: @Svezjacael , I suspect they are baiting you in the Space Port
[9:42 PM] Amerion: They know they can't win in the CC so they are taking it to the public domain
[9:43 PM] Svezjacael: Yeah, I just wanted to see how they'd do it. Not that I'm really a fan of pulling cosmo cards, but as a NPO senator, it's also my duty to keep both of my homes from feeling like the other is plotting against the other.
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[9:43 PM] Amerion: Totally understandable
[9:44 PM] Amerion: I'm out for most of the day but will be on mobile btw
[9:44 PM] harmoneia: Look Funk is my real fb friend and I suspect he wouldn't take it well and might take it out on me personally
[9:44 PM] harmoneia: So I prefer not to motion for it
[9:44 PM] Ike: This is a purely in-game matter
[9:44 PM] harmoneia: But I would openly voice my support
[9:44 PM] Ike: Tim is my FB friend but he still fucked me over
[9:44 PM] Ike: Doesn't mean we don't get along
[9:44 PM] harmoneia: And help push for it
[9:44 PM] Amerion: Temporarily block him on FB?
[9:44 PM] Ike: Well, that's good enough
[9:44 PM] harmoneia: Funk is different
[9:45 PM] Ike: Her being the motioner isn't as important as her support in the first place
[9:45 PM] Ike: That's what counts, and we're glad to have it.
[9:45 PM] Svezjacael: This is why I don't add people from NS to my FB or snapchat. I don't need NSGP potentially spilling into my RL affairs.
[9:45 PM] Amerion: ^
[9:45 PM] Wintermoot: This is why I don't participate in NSGP xD
[9:45 PM] harmoneia: He was supposed to alert me for security concerns as I was inactive
[9:45 PM] harmoneia: Ironically lol
[9:46 PM] Ike: Didn't he betray you to start with by trying to bump you from your guardian position?
[9:47 PM] harmoneia: He just voted Nay. Which is what I will also do: openly support his removal
[9:47 PM] Ike: Ice cold. I like it.
[9:48 PM] Ike: Should I try and get Altmoras on board? He's not a citizen but he was active in his time here up until being elected Delegate
[9:48 PM] harmoneia: I think let's keep it internal for now or risk being charged with treason
[9:49 PM] Ike: We have all agreed that we will keep this strictly legal and through all the democratic processes of the Celestial Union
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[9:49 PM] Ike: Rising up is a last resort that we'd prefer not to come to
[9:50 PM] Morozovia: For the preservation of Democracy
[9:50 PM] Wintermoot: Don't get drawn into arguing with Cormac, I doubt he even gives a shit
[9:50 PM] Pherttsylvania: I'd definitely like to proceed as legally as possible or what would be to stop them form saying we unjustly couped?
[9:51 PM] Pherttsylvania: who knows how long it would take people to sort everything out
[9:51 PM] Pherttsylvania: But
[9:51 PM] Ike: Every spat I have with Cormac is never about spiting him, it's about dispelling the bullshit he spews
[9:51 PM] Pherttsylvania: I am most definitely on board
[9:51 PM] Ike: @Pherttsylvania We reject their accusations of coup plotting by not plotting a coup.
[9:51 PM] Ike: That simple.
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[9:51 PM] Ike: We've got little to hide here.
[9:51 PM] Wintermoot: The only people who actually believe what he says are people who either have an agenda or also don't give a shit
[9:51 PM] Ike: We have to effectively counter his propaganda.
[9:52 PM] Ike: That means detailed and concise dispelling of his agenda wherever it may pop up
[9:52 PM] Wintermoot: Why? He's irrelevant in any sense of the word
[9:52 PM] Ike: We need as many people as possible on our side.
[9:52 PM] Ike: "His" as in Funk, sorry
[9:52 PM] Ike: Cormac is mostly irrelevant except for his attempted gaslighting
[9:52 PM] Wintermoot: You're just giving him relevance by arguing with him, but it's just friendly advice
[9:53 PM] Ike: If you know me, you know I'm the one guy who always calls out Cormac's bullshit. I've no reason to stop, and I've no problem with bothering to do it
[9:53 PM] Ike: Don't worry about me
[9:53 PM] Ike: Let's focus on what matters here
[9:53 PM] Ike: @Ark do we have any treaties with Europeia?
[9:55 PM] Amerion: Unless CAIN is a treaty, then no @Ike
[9:55 PM] Ike: Right
[9:55 PM] Ike: I'm still PNG from there. Should fix that sometime.
[9:56 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Can we please hold off on the no confidence thing until we have evidence? :stuck_out_tongue:
[9:56 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): like Andrew said
[9:56 PM] Ike: I think what we can do, to gauge support for non-confidence, is to start questioning people who voted against Killer Kitty's confirmation
[9:56 PM] Ike: See if they'd be on board
[9:56 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): like whom?
[9:56 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): many of them are already on board
[9:56 PM] Ike: People on the list, of course
[9:56 PM] Ike: get the rest, then
[9:57 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): in here?
[9:57 PM] Ike: Sure, why not
[9:58 PM] Ike: LENLY!
[9:58 PM] Ike: HI!
[9:58 PM] Ike: :heart:
[9:58 PM] Lenlyvit: Bout time someone made a common ground thing(edited)
[9:58 PM] Ike: Yeah, we've got quite the crew here
[9:59 PM] Thatcher: I like the resemblence with the IRA :joy:
[9:59 PM] Ike: up the ra
[9:59 PM] Ike: Noble Thatcherites?
[9:59 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): yep(edited)
[9:59 PM] Thatcher: Hahahaha.
[10:00 PM] Lenlyvit: Sooo.... Anything important to vote upon?
[10:00 PM] Thatcher: Tiocfaidh ár lá
[10:00 PM] Ike: SING UP THE RA
[10:00 PM] Ike: Yes, Lenly, soon
[10:00 PM] Ike: Funk's trying to curtail the powers of the Celestial Being
[10:00 PM] Ike: We need to filibuster it to shit
[10:00 PM] Thatcher: Celestial Being is Somy, no?(edited)
[10:01 PM] Svezjacael: Who changed us from the IRA? My inner Irish is saddened and needs whiskey.
[10:01 PM] Ike: I did, it's a bit controversial
[10:01 PM] Ike: As much as I have a hard-on for Gerry Adams, let's be a tad serious at least :stuck_out_tongue:
[10:01 PM] Thatcher: The french revolution works too.
[10:01 PM] Svezjacael: sigh I mean, yea...I guess I understand that. Can I still has whiskey?
[10:01 PM] Ike: No one's got anything against the French revolution, those who do have no heads, so c'est la vie
[10:01 PM] Ike: Tá
[10:02 PM] Svezjacael: downs jack daniels
[10:03 PM] Thatcher: @Ike Are you on the MeIRA subreddit?
[10:03 PM] Ike: I've looked through it occasionally xD
[10:03 PM] Thatcher: I only ask because my brother has the stickied post. I don't use reddit(edited)
[10:04 PM] Ike: lel
[10:04 PM] Atlantica: is a pedant and points out that the painting used as the icon for this channel is of the Revolution of 1848, not the French Revolution of 1789
[10:04 PM] Ike: I'd argue 1848 ended a lot better
[10:04 PM] Ike: Less heads chopped off
[10:04 PM] Ike: A leader with a nice stache
[10:04 PM] Ike: A shitty war but y'know
[10:04 PM] Ike: C'est la vie
[10:04 PM] Ike: We got the Risorgimento out of it
[10:04 PM] Atlantica: Surely you meant ended a lot worse due to the comparative lack of heads chopped off
[10:05 PM] Morozovia: Dose this mean our cause will inevitably be foiled down the road by germans?
[10:05 PM] Ike: On the beaheadings-to-moustache ratio I must note the absolute supremacy of Napoleon III
[10:05 PM] Ike: I should hope not! Prussian militarism should never be taken lightly.
[10:06 PM] Svezjacael: I'm also German, so no. I'll vouch for the Germans not to interfere here lol
[10:06 PM] Morozovia: Down with Imperialism and Nazism!

cough inner socialist... sorry
[10:06 PM] Ike: Ü B E R
[10:06 PM] Ike: A L L E S
[10:06 PM] Ike: i'm a greek so i'm obligated to hate you
[10:06 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): >.>
[10:07 PM] Svezjacael: Hmmm I'm french, irish, and german so I already hate myself enough for you to not have to.
[10:07 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): back on track
[10:07 PM] Ike: Whatcha got for us, Sommy?
[10:07 PM] Thatcher: I'm like a majority irish with Welsh sprinkled in
[10:07 PM] Ike: You're not a real Thatcherite, are you?
[10:07 PM] Thatcher: no
[10:07 PM] Ike: good.
[10:07 PM] Thatcher: haha
[10:08 PM] harmoneia: Can we have a separate channel for strictly impt stuff
[10:08 PM] Ike: I fall in like, barely Blairite, so I'm not in a position to judge, but still...
[10:08 PM] Ike: No, let's just get back on track period.
[10:08 PM] harmoneia: Because I have a dissertation proposal deadline soon :stuck_out_tongue:
[10:08 PM] Ike: Mute the channel lol
[10:09 PM] harmoneia: Ok tag me when you need me
[10:09 PM] Ike: understood
[10:09 PM] Lenlyvit: Same, I'm muting. Tag me when important shit happens
[10:10 PM] Thatcher: ^
[10:10 PM] Svezjacael: Headed out, tag as well.
[10:14 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Now look what you've done >.>
[10:15 PM] Ike: I'm just gonna put something forward here.

Our goal as Lazarenes is always to keep our region prosperous and growing. By growing, that means attracting new people, people who have a will to help out and a desire to contribute to our region. While I remain opposed to pure voter importation efforts, what we are seeing from the other side is a concerted effort to supplant the native population of Lazarus with raider yes-men. We saw it in Osiris, no offense to citizens there, but it resulted in a massive flight of dissenters to Cormac's iron fist rule.

In the purest sense, we need more people to win. I'm immmensely proud of you all for showing up, this kind of turnout shows that Lazarene democracy is not dead yet. However, the simple fact is that we need more. I want to propose that we get to recruiting people who are not yet citizens of Lazarus.

This is not to say I want to import vote bots. Instead, I want us to find people who are willing to contribute to Lazarus, who have a real desire to make our region better. People who would make great Lazarenes. Because while they can have votebots, we can have actual people. People who von't just align a particular way like Belschaft tried to do or what Funk is trying to do now. But real people, with real things to give.
[10:16 PM] Ike: Lamb himself came to this region from nowhere, and became active. He wouldn't be where he is now without sustained activity and contribution. I want us to be able to find people like that who can not only help our movement but help Lazarus as well.
[10:16 PM] Ike: @Ark I want your input specifically as you're the strongest opponent of voter importation
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[10:16 PM] Ike: I encourage you all to give your thoughts
[10:18 PM] Thatcher: I have several people I think would fare well in Laz, although right now is not the best time...
[10:22 PM] Pherttsylvania: Well... I'm mostly a sidelines player or rather have been.  I am still in the process of moving and starting a new job and buying a house, so I can't really say how available I might be for the quick turn around issues that may come up. However, I am fully opposed to the current leadership and direction Lazarus has been taking. For roughly the two and a half years I parked myself in Laz and turned an eye to offsite politics, I've waited for a moment where I thought I could run for anything or even feel like I had a right to.  With how things are currently, I don't feel like that is even possible which is not how I think NS should be played, and I don't think I or anyone has done anything to merit the railroading that has been all but blatantly forced upon us.
[10:29 PM] Ike: There's never been a better time to fulfill your ambitions
[10:35 PM] Ike: Correct me if I'm wrong, but regardless of the confirmation's status as a regular election or not, importing votes for anything of the sort is still illegal, yes?
[10:36 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): yes
[10:36 PM] Pherttsylvania: I'm afraid with the current clowns this could turn into a debate on what constitutes importing votes
[10:36 PM] harmoneia: Check voter fraud under ULC
[10:37 PM] Ike: They wouldn't be able to do that. What we need is proof that Funk did it in the first place
[10:37 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): exactly
[10:37 PM] Morozovia: Even if it wasn't. Like the issue we face with the election of newly accepted citizens voting out of the blue, should be shunned
[10:38 PM] Pherttsylvania: I agree it should be shunned
[10:38 PM] Morozovia: SHUNNED TO HELL
[10:38 PM] Morozovia: Lol
[10:39 PM] Morozovia: But yeah we really should review our other laws after this
[10:39 PM] Pherttsylvania: but when there is such a quick turn around on accepting random people as citizens as there can be on pushing forward their agenda it doesn't bode well
[10:39 PM] Ike: I recommend we hold a constitutional convention in any case
[10:39 PM] Pherttsylvania: there are issues and loopholes legally that we need to shore up
[10:39 PM] Ike: The Mandate is extremely convoluted
[10:40 PM] Ike: welcome @Kanglia are you a citizen, and who brought you?
[10:40 PM] Kanglia: Yes I am, I was brought here by Som
[10:40 PM] Ike: coolio
[10:53 PM] Ike: @here Just on a random note I want to stress the importance of tarting
[10:54 PM] Ike: Endorse each other, consolidate our influence. It's needed if things go south.
[10:56 PM] Omega: Sorry I'm in TSP with my main.
[10:56 PM] Kanglia: Would tart but I busy defending
[10:56 PM] Ike: In a position that necessitates endorsements?
[10:58 PM] Ike: I'd also like to note that in addition to our DotR Doperland, we have three guardians on our side
[10:58 PM] Ike: That makes four, while Funk plus KK and Lamb make three
[10:58 PM] Ike: The influence battle may yet be close run
[10:58 PM] Omega: No I could move.
[10:59 PM] Ike: If you feel like you can afford to, I'd encourage moving
[10:59 PM] Omega: Okay
[11:00 PM] Ike: On a basis of influence, Harmoneia has the most
[11:00 PM] Ike: Followed by KK, followed by Funk
[11:00 PM] Ike: Oh, scratch that
[11:00 PM] Ike: Amerion has the most
[11:01 PM] harmoneia: It's not necessary
[11:01 PM] Kanglia: If need be I can WA up on my nation in Laz & endorse tomorrow at earliest
[11:01 PM] Ike: @Kanglia Don't bother unless you can commit for a few days
[11:01 PM] Ike: It might be best to just keep fending
[11:01 PM] harmoneia: Loftegen as well as Trackeendy are both on the side of Lazarene sovereignty
[11:01 PM] Kanglia: I can
[11:01 PM] harmoneia: And maintain high influence
[11:01 PM] Ike: They are?
[11:01 PM] harmoneia: I can talk to them if there is a need to
[11:01 PM] Kanglia: I'm going to update tonight, but I can be locked for several days
[11:02 PM] Ike: I think there is a need to
[11:02 PM] Ike: See if you can get them in on this
[11:02 PM] harmoneia: So the influence thing is not a@matter of concern, and if I know Wolf well, he won't advise Funk to resort to an outright coup because will ultimately lead to admitting defeat
[11:03 PM] Ike: I'm just calculating for a contingency.
[11:03 PM] Omega: Okay here's mine: https://www.nationstates.net/nation=united_federated_states_of_omega
[11:03 PM] Ike: On a statistical basis, out of the Delegate and Guardians, the order is this: 1. Amerion, 2. Harm, 3. KK, 4. Funk, 5. Moot, 6. Dope, 7. Lamb
[11:04 PM] harmoneia: You can include Loftegen in there
[11:04 PM] Ike: I couldn't be assed to find his nation, but I know he's got a fair bit
[11:04 PM] harmoneia: He won't like plotting in here but we can count on him in the event of a coup
[11:04 PM] Ike: Either way, it seems like everything is coming up Milhouse
[11:04 PM] Omega: Who can I endorse?
[11:04 PM] Ike: Me, Ikania
[11:04 PM] Ike: I endorsed you
[11:05 PM] harmoneia: I am not comfortable with this and it raises suspicion >_>
[11:05 PM] Ike: I don't think you need to tart Harm, you're high up enough already :stuck_out_tongue:
[11:06 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Agreed
[11:06 PM] Omega: Who can I endorse?
[11:06 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): With harm
[11:06 PM] Wintermoot: Endorse all WA nations
[11:06 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): This is not the most necessary thing right now
[11:06 PM] Omega: All?
[11:06 PM] Ike: And to make myself clear about all this tarting, this isn't for a backup in case our initial efforts fail. This is last resort, in case Funk goes full on Franco.
[11:06 PM] Omega: I know
[11:06 PM] Wintermoot: That's how tarting goes
[11:06 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): ....why would he do that?
[11:06 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Just saying
[11:07 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): There's nothing in it for him
[11:07 PM] Ike: Something important to establish is that Funk stopped caring about Lazarus a long time ago. He told me as much in private conversation. He does most of what he does for the laughs, and that's been the prime driver of his recent association with raiders and LWU.
[11:08 PM] Ike: He'd do it because god damn it would be fun and he might think he can win.
[11:08 PM] harmoneia: If you have logs of these
[11:08 PM] harmoneia: That would help
[11:08 PM] Ike: Let me dig
[11:10 PM] Ike: Actually, I might be a little wrong.
[11:10 PM] Ike: Make of this what you will
[11:10 PM] Ike:

[11:10 PM] Ike:

[11:10 PM] Lenlyvit: I hate to say it, but in the case of an outright coup we could probably count on the NPO and all of Defenderdom backing us over Funk
[11:11 PM] Kanglia: ^
[11:11 PM] Ike: I don't have a problem with that.
[11:11 PM] Ike:

[11:11 PM] Ike: ^ this may be intriguing
[11:11 PM] Ike: Clearly we weren't quite on the same page with his new vision
[11:13 PM] Lenlyvit: There is one thing though. Perg is still really salty about being kicked out of Laz after the last thing that happened
[11:13 PM] Ike: I think he'd rather stick it to Funk than to any of us, knowing him.
[11:13 PM] Omega: Tarting is intense.
[11:19 PM] Pherttsylvania: What is the best way I can raise my region influence quickly?
[11:19 PM] Pherttsylvania: Also this: http://s15.zetaboards.com/NSLazarus/single/?p=10022508&t=10254118
[11:19 PM] Ike: Tarting. Endorse people and ask them to endorse you back
[11:20 PM] Ike: Yes, Wolf is quite accomplished. Only a testament to the downright shame it is that he is partaking in this.(edited)
[11:20 PM] harmoneia: For history lessons
[11:21 PM] harmoneia: He first came to Lazarus by raiding it
[11:21 PM] harmoneia: Went generally inactive until the latter half of Emeraldn govt
[11:21 PM] harmoneia: Then disappeared again
[11:21 PM] harmoneia: Then did not appear again until the PRL turned defender
[11:21 PM] Ike: You should point this out
[11:21 PM] Pherttsylvania: That's what I thought and was afraid of
[11:21 PM] Ike: It would be a pretty sizzling burn
[11:21 PM] harmoneia: I've had this discussion with him several times in the past
[11:22 PM] Ike: Put it in public
[11:22 PM] Pherttsylvania: it's a shame really
[11:22 PM] Ike: Now is the time to speak up
[11:22 PM] harmoneia: Im tired lol bai
[11:22 PM] Ike: >_>
[11:25 PM] Omega: Woah what he just said was actually harassment.
[11:28 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): "Go jump off a cliff"?(edited)
[11:28 PM] Ike: Where?
[11:28 PM] Pherttsylvania: in that thread
[11:29 PM] Ike: Responded.
[11:30 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Lol I'm being directed to the cliff too :yum:
[11:31 PM] Pherttsylvania: I'm going to formulate some sort of conciliatory response
[11:31 PM] Ike: I don't think conciliatory cuts it. The tension is going to boil over soon.
[11:32 PM] Omega: How many people do i need to tart
[11:32 PM] Pherttsylvania: I'm going to play dumb until the last possible moment I think
[11:32 PM] Ike: As many as you want
[11:32 PM] Ike: @Pherttsylvania What use is there playing dumb? We need to show our united opposition as the citizenry of Lazarus
[11:32 PM] Ike: The more active and vocal citizens there are protesting, the more effective we are.
[11:33 PM] Omega: I'm like 120 in, is that enough?
[11:33 PM] Ike: lmao probably
[11:33 PM] Ike: do what you want
[11:33 PM] Omega: I'll go to 200.
[11:33 PM] Omega: I need to get Far's code sometime for this.
[11:33 PM] Pherttsylvania: @Ike  I don't want to trigger a response too quickly
[11:33 PM] Pherttsylvania: I mean, I'm just going to say something about how he's acting like Lamb who I disparaged earlier lol
[11:34 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): http://s15.zetaboards.com/NSLazarus/pages/endorse @Omega
[11:35 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): You can try this, it might be of some help
[11:35 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Though it's partially broken I think
[11:36 PM] Lenlyvit: Every time I speak up I'm railroaded by Funk and Lamb shrugs
[11:36 PM] Morozovia: The unnessesary back lash with funks block is kinda getting overboard. They're clearly trying to dodge this :confused:
[11:36 PM] Ike: Lenly, this time we are a united front
[11:36 PM] Omega: Don't worry Somy.
[11:36 PM] Ike: We cannot afford to silence ourselves at this crucial juncture
[11:36 PM] Ike: If we all stand together, their railroading and propaganda means nothing opposed to the collective will of the people
[11:42 PM] Ike: Lamb is demanding "proof"
[11:43 PM] Ike: @Ark @Somyrion (Aumelodia)  any idea how we can phrase a response that won't lend credence to his "conspiracy theory" gaslighting?
[11:46 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Just ignore it and file on harassment charges?
[11:46 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I mean for kk
[11:46 PM] Ike: Do you think that we can formulate a petition signed on behalf of all of us, stating that we don't recognize Killer Kitty's position as Holy Prelate, and therefore deny his right to carry out the inquiry against Amerion?
[11:47 PM] Ike: It would state that we believe firmly in the power vested in the Celestial Being, and stand aganist attempts to subvert Lazarene democracy
[11:47 PM] Omega: Yeah
[11:47 PM] Ike: @here
[11:47 PM] Ike: Y'all wanna sign a petition?
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[11:47 PM] Omega: Yes
[11:47 PM] Thatcher: Yep
[11:47 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Okay
[11:47 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Wait
[11:47 PM] Ike: I'm writing one up.
[11:47 PM] Ike: hm?
[11:48 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Wouldn't that just be more fuel for lamb to identify us as a conspiracy?
[11:48 PM] Ike: It's not a conspiracy if we're publicly coming out and acknowledging the facts
[11:48 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I mean there's nothing that says "voting bloc" more than
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[11:48 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Signing something all together
[11:48 PM] Ike: It's gone beyond 'voting bloc', we're organizing for action now
[11:48 PM] Ike: It gives more credence to his idea of a conspiracy if we remain low profile, doesn't it?
[11:49 PM] Lenlyvit: ^ I will sign Ike
[11:49 PM] Morozovia: I'll sign
[11:49 PM] Ike: I don't want to produce a public decree if we can't all agree on it, so let's give some time for everyone to give their input
[11:49 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Let's at least wait
[11:49 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Yeah
[11:50 PM] harmoneia: It's gone beyond 'voting bloc', we're organizing for action now <- definition of conspiracy
[11:50 PM] Omega: It better be firey if I'm signing though
[11:50 PM] Morozovia: Write it up and then present it here first to the group, then we all can put a thumbs up emoji or thumb down.(edited)
[11:50 PM] Pherttsylvania: Wait until everyone in the channel/available for the cause gives consent before a formal proposal is issued
[11:50 PM] Ike: @harmoneia Okay, fair enough :stuck_out_tongue:
[11:51 PM] Ike: But this won't demand any resignations or make any accusations. It will simply state that Killer Kitty illegitimately occupies the position of Holy Prelate
[11:51 PM] Pherttsylvania: in that case at least the court would be down to just Omega and the stooge Adytus yes?
[11:52 PM] Ike: Indeed
[11:52 PM] Ike: And a two-man court can't decide anything
[11:52 PM] Ike: ... isn't it the convenor's job to organize Prelate confirmations?
[11:52 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I should issue more Letters Patent - "to Adytus as Prelate, I confer upon thee the title of His Stooge"
[11:53 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Well, that's what the whole debate is about Ike :stuck_out_tongue:
[11:53 PM] Pherttsylvania: lol
[11:53 PM] Ike: But the Delegate picks the prelate nominees
[11:53 PM] Ike: Damn
[11:53 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): If it's an election, no
[11:53 PM] Pherttsylvania: where did that fool even come from
[11:53 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): If it's not, yes
[11:53 PM] Pherttsylvania: I mean, i know Osiris but still
[11:53 PM] Omega: No he doesn't actually
[11:54 PM] Ike: KK's vote was held by Funk, no?
[11:54 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Np
[11:54 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): No
[11:54 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): By tom iirc
[11:54 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): So, by the deputy convenor
[11:55 PM] Ike: Right
[11:56 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): That's the problem, if they were elections kk and cos are illegal and ady and omega are legal, and if not, the other way around
[11:56 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): ...wait, did we ever actually bring up that?
[11:56 PM] Ike: Not sure.
[11:56 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Or did we just stick with the important side
[11:56 PM] Ike: You should bring it up
July 18, 2017
[12:03 AM] Omega: Can someone let us know if anything comes out of the VC?
[12:03 AM] Ike: Hm?
[12:03 AM] Omega: Laz main VC
[12:03 AM] Ike: Ah
[12:03 AM] Ike: What're they discussing
[12:04 AM] Pherttsylvania: I'm not in voice chat sorry
[12:05 AM] Atlantica: They were talking about hats when I joined, followed by Lamb joking that I was Aeazer, followed by Lamb egging Funk on to get at first two and later four beers, followed by Lamb playing his guitar, and now they're talking about a bunch of different things
[12:05 AM] Ike: keep us posted
[12:05 AM] Atlantica: They're too smart to talk about anything that's actually pertinent to Lazarus(edited)
[12:06 AM] Morozovia: Bone thugs n harmony
[12:06 AM] Pherttsylvania: lol
[12:06 AM] Ike: So if there's a vacancy in the Holy Prelate position, can the Council freely elect a successor?
[12:06 AM] Ike: Does it have to be delegate-nominated?
[12:06 AM] Pherttsylvania: Like we learned from Avenue Q, "I Wish I Could Go Back to College"
[12:06 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Prelates choose amongst yhemselves
[12:07 AM] Ike: Therefore we first have to establish who is and isn't a Prelate...
[12:08 AM] Omega: Right
[12:09 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Which is dependent upon a court ruling
[12:09 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): That can never happen because we don't know who can rule on it
[12:09 AM] Ike: Quite the paradox
[12:10 AM] Omega: Which the court can't make mostly because I am still blocking it.
[12:10 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): An infinite loop :stuck_out_tongue:
[12:10 AM] Pherttsylvania: the court situation seems to be almost irreconcilable currently
[12:10 AM] Ike: So the best we can do is to proclaim in our capacity as citizens which court composition we recognize
[12:10 AM] Ike: And, for the sake of our region, egg the leadership to accept our position
[12:10 AM] Omega: If I wasn't blocking it they would have already ruled everything was legal. No matter what the law said.(edited)
[12:11 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I could withdraw my assent to you two too :stuck_out_tongue:
[12:11 AM] Ike: Would that be viable?
[12:11 AM] Omega: Not needed
[12:11 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): How they would come to that conclusion, we'll never know :stuck_out_tongue:
[12:11 AM] Omega: And no, that requires a recall actually.
[12:11 AM] Omega: That part was decided with Consite.
[12:12 AM] Ike: Right
[12:12 AM] Ike: And if the confirmation does not, in fact, count as an election
[12:12 AM] Ike: Then who is required to hold it, and what crime was committed by Funk's regime in doing so?
[12:12 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Then ady and omega are out
[12:12 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): And funk made their threads illegally
[12:12 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): And those votes are illegal
[12:12 AM] Omega: http://s15.zetaboards.com/NSLazarus/topic/10187201/1/#new
[12:12 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): And it has to be the convenor
[12:12 AM] Ike: Because the Convenor is required to hold them, or?
[12:12 AM] Ike: Ah
[12:13 AM] Omega: Yeah but no one can rule on that.
[12:13 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Yeah
[12:13 AM] Ike: Did Funk administrate the voting on the Prelate confirmations?
[12:13 AM] Omega: He stared the threads.
[12:13 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): For ady and onega
[12:13 AM] Omega: Yes
[12:14 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): The deputy convenors did kk
[12:14 AM] Omega: Right
[12:14 AM] Ike: But did the Convenor/Deputies adminster the votings on Omega and Adytus?
[12:14 AM] Ike: As in, opening voting and closing
[12:14 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): No
[12:14 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Funk did
[12:14 AM] Ike: Funk did
[12:14 AM] Ike: Right
[12:14 AM] Ike: And to be clear, he closed the vote and tallied the results?
[12:14 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Yes
[12:14 AM] Ike: Which is illegal. Smoking gun right there.
[12:15 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): As he also did with the guardian votes
[12:15 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): No
[12:15 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Not if it was an election
[12:15 AM] Ike: If it was election his treason was in allowing new citizens to vote
[12:15 AM] Ike: We already established that
[12:15 AM] Omega: Well maybe. It depends on if it was an election.
[12:15 AM] Ike: He's in the wrong either way.
[12:15 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): There weren't new citizens on that
[12:15 AM] Omega: Right.
[12:15 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): No he isn't, not necessarily
[12:16 AM] Ike: But if they count as regular elections,  then CoS and KK are instead invalid
[12:16 AM] Omega: No, he either a. wrongly ran a vote
or b. allowed citizens to vote in an election he should have administered.
[12:16 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Actually can anyone tell me why he was able to administrate the guardian votes?
[12:16 AM] Omega: Again, also likely illegal.
[12:16 AM] Ike: So to reiterate
[12:16 AM] Ike: If it wasn't an election, the flaw is that he illegitimately administered the vote
[12:17 AM] Omega: Right.
[12:17 AM] Ike: If it was, the flaw is that he let new citizens vote on KK and CoS?
[12:17 AM] Omega: Yeah. He compromised the court then
[12:17 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): The catch here is that the elections act says that prelate confirmations are administered as council votes
[12:17 AM] Ike: Which means they are elections
[12:17 AM] Ike: Though Lamb claims they aren't subject to the regular cycle
[12:17 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Whether or not that means an election commissioner can still administer them is unclear
[12:18 AM] Ike: What does the Mandate say about who administers council votes?
[12:18 AM] Ike: The convenor, yes?
[12:18 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Which is a whole nother question entirely
[12:18 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Yes
[12:18 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): That we haven't gone over yet
[12:18 AM] Ike: What are the official pwoers of the Election Commissioner?
[12:18 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Look at the elections act
[12:20 AM] Ike: So it gives him clear powers to open and close elections
[12:20 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Right
[12:20 AM] Ike: So if it was an election he had every right to administer it, he just violated the part where new citizens can't vote
[12:20 AM] Ike: And if it wasn't, it was a council vote, whereby he'd be illegitimate
[12:21 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Well
[12:21 AM] Omega: Wait when was Funk made EC?
[12:21 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Er
[12:21 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): What's the law about ECs?(edited)
[12:22 AM] Omega: They serve an unlimited term, but was he ever appointed?
[12:25 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): If prelate votes are elections, then Funk was valid in his administration of Adytus and Omega's votes, but Tom and The13th were invalid and therefore KK's and CoS's votes are illegal. This also opens the can of worms on whether or not the law about new citizens applies— if it does, it adds extra illegality to KK's and CoS's votes.
If prelate votes are not elections, then Funk was illegal in his administration of Adytus and Omega's votes but KK's and CoS's vote are perfectly legal.
[12:26 AM] Ike: It must certainly apply, the law specifically states it applies to elections
[12:27 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): But only to regular or special elections
[12:27 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Which ostensibly according to lamb a prelate election is not
[12:28 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Anyway, night all
[12:28 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): See you 500 messages and another recall later in the morning
[12:29 AM] Pherttsylvania: lol
[12:29 AM] Pherttsylvania: good night
[12:29 AM] Ike: o/
[12:35 AM] Ike: In his point of order, Somy asked the Convenor to look into the validity of the votes
[12:35 AM] Ike: Can the Convenor rule that the votes were, in fact, illegal?
[12:36 AM] Omega: No because we don't allow points of order
[12:36 AM] Ike: Ah
[12:37 AM] Ike: And since CoS would have been confirmed without the influx of new votes, he is by all means legally entitled to take up the position of Prelate with the CB's blessing?
[12:37 AM] Ike: Or, would be, should the votes be ruled invalid
[12:42 AM] Omega: Alright make sure they don't make any crazy rulings while I sleep. Good night all.
[12:43 AM] Ike: o/
[12:49 AM] Amerion: Well, I'm in a legal pickle
[12:49 AM] Ike: It's alright, we got your back
[12:49 AM] Amerion: The question I have right now is how hard to fight back or to fight back at all
[12:50 AM] Ike: Fight back hard. Leave it sizzling
[12:50 AM] Ike: We need as many voices calling out the bullshit as possible
[12:50 AM] Amerion: Submit a criminal complaint against Lamb?
[12:51 AM] Ike: It would be token, given the paralyzation of the court
[12:51 AM] Ike: We have no solid evidence, and even though he's being a right dick, I don't see harassment
[12:51 AM] Ike: Not yet
[12:51 AM] Pherttsylvania: thanks entirely to his half assed proposals
[12:52 AM] Amerion: Okay, well I have seven days before I need to submit anything to that Court so I'll leave it for now and remain focused on arguing in the CC
[12:52 AM] Omega: Okay can't sleep yet
[12:52 AM] Ike: lol
[12:52 AM] Omega: First off you don't need to submit anything. The court doesn't have the judges it needs in order to do anything
[12:53 AM] Omega: Second off, the person who accepted the case has no legal right to do so.
[12:53 AM] Omega: So really you don't need to do anything.
[12:53 AM] Omega: You're fine
[12:53 AM] Omega: Focus on the CC
[12:56 AM] Ike: https://pastebin.com/g16yC07T
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[12:56 AM] Pherttsylvania: are these guys really always such asshole punks on voice chat?
[12:56 AM] Ike: @here Tell me what you think. Not necessarily presenting it yet but I want your opinions
[12:56 AM] Ike: Yes.
[12:56 AM] Amerion: @Pherttsylvania , what are they saying?
[12:56 AM] Amerion: No worries @Omega
[12:56 AM] Ike: I'm tempted to join but I'd probably just be the target of endless mocking
[12:56 AM] Pherttsylvania: luckily i've never listened to it until now, but I feel bad for Harm talking to such assholes and their blatant racism
[12:59 AM] Atlantica: (for reference, they were doing a typical mockery of East Asian languages and accents)
[12:59 AM] Omega: I like it
[1:00 AM] Ike: I mean I'm generally the kind of person to find that fucking hilarious
[1:00 AM] Pherttsylvania: I don't.
[1:00 AM] Ike: FIVE DOLLA ROV YOU RONG TIME
[1:00 AM] Omega: I think it's a good petition and I would sign it
[1:00 AM] Pherttsylvania: lol
[1:00 AM] Pherttsylvania: 10 years ago I would have crushed those guys skulls
[1:00 AM] Thatcher: @Ike Could I comment on the petition?
[1:00 AM] Pherttsylvania: just like an internet thug except not
[1:01 AM] Ike: sure thing
[1:10 AM] Omega: @Atlantica what did you send Lamb?
[1:10 AM] Thatcher: Okay... Line 3 could we say 'Domestic and Foreign'

Line 11 So what? It need to be used as evidence not as an argument. quote this with another declaration, not as its own.

Line 13 could we say 'Dually'

Line 17 and 19 should be merged.

Line 23 seems like it keep repeating previous stuff. I don't know Laz's govt too well, sp ehh.

Line 25 and 27 should be merged.

Line 29 'The system" could we say something else? perhaps 'the legitimate rules that government and constitution of Lazarus' or an equivalent?

Line 29 'the Lazarene democracy...' I guess itmight be just taste here. :stuck_out_tongue:
[1:13 AM] Atlantica: I send him a telegram from my puppet Atlantica listened to the Libcord VC and saying:
"I remain firm and unbroken in my vow of silence, and I shall not be swayed by your needless provocations. My voice is nowhere and yet it is everywhere; by my silence I have become one with the Holy Spirit and the Seven Heavens and your diabolical attempts to change this have not gone unnoticed by the Father above. You may have stolen Funkadelia's soul, but you shall not steal mine for my soul has totally become one with the Holy Spirit and the Son. REPENT!"(edited)
[1:13 AM] Omega: Okay then
[1:14 AM] Omega: What's Libcord?
[1:14 AM] Omega: (You can tell I don't R/D)
[1:14 AM] Ike: R/D VC xD
[1:14 AM] Atlantica: The Discord server Defenders coordinate on
[1:14 AM] Omega: Okay cool
[3:10 AM] Thatcher: The GP forum seems to have gotten heated...(edited)
[3:11 AM] Atlantica: Everyone needs to go on the VC and listen to Funk's tirade if possible. It's rather interesting and it seems like he's on the cusp of saying something big every other minute.
[3:11 AM] Ike: He might shut up if he notices I'm there
[3:11 AM] Ike: Just write down what he says that's important
[3:11 AM] Amerion: Can u provide updates?
[3:11 AM] Amerion: In a cinema right now
[3:13 AM] Pherttsylvania: I got too worked up to stay in there sorry
[3:13 AM] Pherttsylvania: I couldn't believe how Funk and Lamb were provoking Harm
[3:13 AM] Ike: Watch the damn movie Amerion, stop distracting people, you can check this later :stuck_out_tongue:
[3:13 AM] Atlantica: I'm recording the conversation right now on Vocaroo.
He's been talking about how he coordinated the resistance and contacted Kazmr, leading to the liberation of the NLO (in fact he said that without him, the NLO would still rule Lazarus) and to a lesser extent that he got the region back together after Kowassati quit Laz. He keeps saying that he's the glue that holds the region together.
[3:14 AM] Pherttsylvania: and to a lesser extent I suppose myself as acting like a hillbilly
[3:14 AM] Ike: Well, until recently, he wasn't wrong
[3:15 AM] Amerion: Haha okay  @Ike
[3:15 AM] Amerion: Cool, hope I can listen to it later  @Atlantica
[3:15 AM] Atlantica: Keep in mind that it's incomplete, because I wasn't recording it at first.(edited)
[3:28 AM] Ike: I encourage you to continue recording, but cool cat, it's 3:30 and we all need our sleep. Don't feel compelled to stay up all night watching some drunk nerd online rave about his political ego.
[3:28 AM] Atlantica: My timezone is Pacific, it's only 12:30 for me
[3:28 AM] Ike: Lucky bastard
[3:29 AM] Ike: I bet you and Tai get up to all sorts of shit
[3:29 AM] Atlantica: That being said, he's not talking about the NLO right now, but I'm still recording and I never know if he'll be talking about it in the future
[3:30 AM] Ike: Your record-keeping skills would make Nixon jealous.(edited)
[3:30 AM] Atlantica: If I wasn't recording right now I would be laughing my ass off when you mentioned Tai.
[3:31 AM] Ike: Funniest part is that everyone here knows who he is, but at the same time they don't.
[3:31 AM] Ike: The only thing I hate about GP, aside from all the toxic bullshit, is that no one ever says "bit late Ike"
[3:31 AM] Ike: It just makes the whole thing feel so empty
[3:32 AM] Atlantica: I just love that roleplayer/gameplayer duality.
[3:32 AM] Atlantica: Everyone knows who he his, yet no one does.
[3:33 AM] Ike: A genius move on his part to keep the personalities separate
[3:33 AM] Atlantica: But yes, GP could use a few more bit late Ikes
[3:34 AM] Atlantica: Even if he didn't keep them separate I doubt that anyone in the Senate would care.
[3:34 AM] Ike: It might make a difference to all the GPers who use his supposed inactivity as a fault
[3:37 AM] Atlantica: True, true, although he was open about who his main was. If his opponents wanted to use that line, then they could've. It wouldn't take that much digging.
[3:37 AM] Ike: Fair enough. Codgy old bastard.
[3:37 AM] Ike: Anyway, I'm gonna get some sleep now. Peace all. Great first day, truly fantastic
[3:37 AM] Pherttsylvania: Even now I don't fully understand the intricacies of NS. I don't understand the extremes that are taken to in order to avoid  self identification.
[3:37 AM] Ike: Well, some of us are more reluctant than others
[3:38 AM] Ike: I'm fairly open about my first name and the city I live in, but not much beyond that
[3:38 AM] Atlantica: Night Ike!
[3:38 AM] Ike: I have some NSers on my facebook even
[3:38 AM] Ike: Meanwhile people like Atlantica, I've never heard his voice, no idea what he looks like, even though really I've known him for a year
[3:38 AM] Ike: All I know is that he's some commie from the west coast
[3:38 AM] Pherttsylvania: I'll get there I hope
[3:38 AM] Pherttsylvania: lol
[3:38 AM] Ike: One day :stuck_out_tongue:
[3:40 AM] Atlantica: I certainly am a very private person who keeps his RL and NS identities nigh-totally separate. I'm open about my politics and the region where I'm from, but beyond that I'm completely private.
[3:41 AM] Ike: Admirable, almost. Quite the contrast between players. Someone like Tim, get to know him well enough, you know his first and last name, where he was born, his city, his college, his RL life, all that shit
[3:41 AM] Ike: And others, they go five years without spilling one detail
[3:44 AM] Pherttsylvania: I can appreciate that, @Atlantica .  My personal background is that I'm from Pennsylvania originally, graduated from Penn State, and served in the U.S. Navy for 6 years.
[3:45 AM] Atlantica: I think that generally reflects my playing style in NS Gameplay (not in RP because it's just a completely different environment, including the Senate). Someone like you is very open about your GP positions and won't hesitate to advocate for them, but I have found myself preferring to work from the shadows.
[3:46 AM] Ike: You do a damn good job at it
[3:46 AM] Ike: Even I have found myself on the receiving end of your shady deeds :stuck_out_tongue:
[3:47 AM] Pherttsylvania: I personally welcome online thugs to come find me if they have misgivings haha
[3:48 AM] Pherttsylvania: I have an honorable discharge already, so anyone who wants to cause trouble with me  isn't going to impact my veterans' benefits lol
[3:50 AM] Atlantica: If you're referring to the RSP, that wasn't my doing at all and I just went along with it; Lykens and to a lesser extent Pruss orchestrated everything in the RSP. I was more moderate and willing to compromise than them, actually; I was fine with keeping you on as a purely ceremonial chairman and figurehead, but they wanted to oust you entirely because they didn't like you, presumably due to experiences in Calaverde.
[3:51 AM] Ike: Pruss did it because he was a power loving cunt who wanted to stick it to an ideological opponent, he told me as much many times
[3:51 AM] Ike: Lykens did it because he found Pruss less annoying.
[3:51 AM] Ike: Somehow.
[3:51 AM] Morozovia: I'm a pretty open person... have a handful of NS friends on fb
[3:52 AM] Ike: Can't be too hard to find you since I know your name :stuck_out_tongue: I won't stalk you though
[3:54 AM] Morozovia: Well my fb name isn't the same as my NS name :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
[3:54 AM] Atlantica: They're quite close, or at least they were before Pruss was locked up and imprisoned for four months. That being said, I don't know if they still talk regularly. Not that they had a falling out or anything, it's just that Pruss has become busy with life and is doing other things.
[3:54 AM] Ike: >,>
[3:54 AM] Ike: Well, there was also Pruss threatening to murder me on multiple occasions, calling me a shame to the human race and publicly advocating for the deaths of policemen being held hostage by violent criminals
[3:59 AM] Atlantica: Pruss is...a complicated person. He's kind enough if you don't cross him, but if you do then he won't hesitate to freely insult you in ways that are threatening (I don't think he legitimately meant them, but still). I never crossed him and always had a good relationship with him myself. He's a sympathetic character with real struggles and depression, but he still does say the things that he did to you, to Ravenflight or to Merizoc.
[4:01 AM] Ike: On a site like this, in communities like these, where thick skin is required to make it anywhere (my forum sig is literally a collection of insults against me), it's always a fool who accuses another of something like cyber-bullying
[4:01 AM] Ike: We freely joke about the worst things in the world and rag on each other all the time
[4:01 AM] Ike: But I think what Pruss said to me in the years that I knew him were the closest I'd ever experienced to a concerted bullying effort against me on this site
[4:01 AM] Ike: Like, he was downright nasty, and not in any kind of game context, it was all personal.
[4:02 AM] Ike: He was genuinely trying to make me feel like a worthless human being, so I don't think it'll be very easy to get past that.
[4:03 AM] Ike: Anyway, on that cheery note, I'm going to actually pursue sleeping now. Don't want to wake up halfway through the day like yesterday.
[4:05 AM] Atlantica: Goodnight Ike, and as some final words before you do to sleep I'll say that it's a point of pride for me, as a member of the Senate, that the more vicious insults in your sig come from members of the Senate rather than members of NS Gameplay :stuck_out_tongue:(edited)
[4:10 AM] Pherttsylvania: good night all
[7:19 AM] Curious Observations: "I couldn't believe how Funk and Lamb were provoking Harm"
[7:20 AM] Curious Observations: Was that the typical and annoying Lamb Stone style of trollish provocation that Funkadelia has adopted, or something more sinister?
[7:41 AM] Amerion: I don't know @Curious Observations but I'm curious as well
[7:41 AM] Amerion:

[7:42 AM] Amerion: Alt's last comment is astute
[7:43 AM] Seraph: :(
[8:40 AM] Curious Observations: A region can survive a loss of an off-site forum or off-site chat platform, if necessary.
[8:41 AM] Curious Observations: Obviously, this is not a desirable outcome, but not tragic. The hold on the game-side is more dire.
[9:21 AM] Lenlyvit: A new Discord can be made, and a new forum as well. @Somyrion (Aumelodia) do you think you can create a back-up forum and start transferring all of Lazarus's laws and stuff?
[9:21 AM] Lenlyvit: That way if they lose and try to shut it down, we still have them
[9:23 AM] Amerion: I don't think they'll go that far, couping a region is one thing, forum destruction is an entirely separate matter.

Nevertheless, it wouldn't hurt to be cautious
[9:41 AM] Omega: I'm up to ~20 endos
[9:51 AM] Omega: So I still have mod powers in the court. Should I use them?
[9:56 AM] Seraph: If I lose this election (which is looking increasingly likely : () I'll switch my WA for y'all.
[10:21 AM] Curious Observations: @Amerion the issue wouldn't be forum destruction, but rather forum lockdown.
[10:21 AM] Curious Observations: Either way, it's a relatively small issue.
[10:22 AM] Curious Observations: Historically, GCR coups typically result in governmental overhauls anyway. If it came to that, this would not be the biggest issue.
[10:26 AM] harmoneia: Don't create a new forum just back up data
[10:41 AM] Omega: Okay for some reason my SPDR is 11th right now in the region, but I will fall quickly
[10:41 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): You had more influence in TSP and it's carrying over
[10:41 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): It'll drop though
[10:42 AM] Omega: I'm aware
[10:45 AM] Omega: We can not let them take off all of the Prelates from the court.
[10:46 AM] Omega: If they do I can say for a fact I won't be let back on.
[11:12 AM] Ark: Morning everyone.
[11:13 AM] Ark: I'm thinking if we manage to make it out of this successfully, we should hold a constitutional convention. How do you all feel about that?
[11:15 AM] Omega: For sure, and make Lamb PNG
[11:16 AM] Ark: Mhm.
[11:16 AM] Ark: I'm working on what our government could look like post-CU
[11:18 AM] Thatcher: Sounds good. @Ark The UDS is going through a convention now, I wouldn't mind helping.
[11:19 AM] Ark: I was thinking perhaps, we could essentially switch the roles of Delegate and CB
[11:20 AM] Ark: So it would be more like a constitutional monarchy than anything else.
[11:20 AM] Ark: IE Delegate is ACTUALLY bound to vote with the citizenry, and CB would be more like the Prime Minister(edited)
[11:20 AM] Ark: Obviously total theme change too
[11:22 AM] Amerion: http://s15.zetaboards.com/NSLazarus/pages/law_library
[11:22 AM] Amerion: There's this to work off, if ya want
[11:27 AM] Ark: Perhaps we can have one election for the Monarch in the scenario, to start the government off, then they rule for life or until removed by the government/passing the line of succession.
[11:30 AM] Omega: I think a constitutional monarchy has it's clear merits, and also puts in place a check for a situation like this.
[11:30 AM] Ark: Exactly.
[11:31 AM] Omega: I also would not be opposed to a bicameral legislature, to help prevent from a bunch of people flooding the lower house and changing everything.
[11:32 AM] Ark: I think "Phoenix Kingdom of Lazarus" is quite appropriate, given the whole "rising from the ashes" thing Lazarus has going on.
[11:34 AM] Omega: I agree with that.
[11:34 AM] Omega: Have the court be 5 justices, one from the Monarch, one from the government, and three from the legislature.
[11:34 AM] Ark: I'll create a first draft of it soon, then. To share with all of you.
[11:34 AM] Omega: Okay sounds good.
[11:56 AM] Amerion: I'm on holiday now and I realised that this NS drama is really messing up whatever free time I have left, so I think I'll take a step back on this and the upcoming delegate elections
[11:57 AM] Amerion: I think @Somyrion (Aumelodia)  has a very, very, extremely-very (and one more very) strong case to be made if he runs
[11:58 AM] Ark: Or
[11:58 AM] Ark: Constitutional convention :stuck_out_tongue:
[11:58 AM] Ark: Which would change the election Fratt ic ally
[11:58 AM] Ark: *drastically
[11:58 AM] Amerion: I've made a post on that in the forum private chambers
[11:58 AM] Amerion: Let's do it :smiley:
[11:59 AM] Ark: I'm working on a draft now.
[11:59 AM] Ark: We still have to defeat funk first though.
[11:59 AM] Omega: If we call for a convention we should say only citizens who were citizens before July 1st should be able to participate.
[12:00 PM] Omega: Just a thought.
[12:00 PM] Ark: Sure
[12:00 PM] Omega: It would destroy the influence of the imported voters.
[12:01 PM] Ark: Yeah
[12:04 PM] harmoneia: but more importantly
[12:04 PM] harmoneia: the issue at hand first :stuck_out_tongue:
[12:05 PM] Amerion: Which is?
[12:05 PM] Amerion: It's a waiting game atm
[12:07 PM] Ark: @harmoneia unless you've got any ideas, the issue at hand is indeed a waiting game :stuck_out_tongue:
[12:08 PM] Omega: I fully expect to be recalled soon.
[12:08 PM] Amerion: If that happens, we will argue tooth and nail against it
[12:09 PM] Omega: I hope so.
[12:09 PM] Amerion: I know so
[12:09 PM] Omega: I just think that is the next logical course of action for them, if I'm taken off they can easily get someone on who will just rule how they need him to.
[12:20 PM] Seraph: Might I suggest that you don't include a theme change in your constitutional convention.  It seems to me that Lazarus gets enough ridicule from constant theme changes as it is.
[12:21 PM] Curious Observations: Might I suggest writing a document that does not include, reference, or proscribe a theme at all?
[12:28 PM] Ark: I can't stand the CU at all tbh
[12:29 PM] Ark: So if anything I'd go with Curious Observation's idea. We can let a theme kind of develop itself
[12:31 PM] harmoneia: I suggest we gather all all evidences including CO's data at the moment
[12:31 PM] harmoneia: A list of everything that has become suspicious
[12:32 PM] harmoneia: starting from Constie (okay maybe not) or Loft's unceremonious removal
[12:32 PM] harmoneia: to everything else that followed - including the harassment DM
[12:32 PM] harmoneia: 's
[12:33 PM] Seraph: I have no issue with the CU, other than it's quasi-religious trappings, which make me a bit uncomfortable...
[12:33 PM] Seraph: We could keep the same theme but include a revolution against the Celestial Being in the lore. :stuck_out_tongue:
[12:34 PM] Seraph: That would explain why the Sovreign became the new figurehead and a prime minister type role was required.  But I'm getting ahead of myself.
[12:34 PM] Ark: Meh
[12:34 PM] Ark: I just don't like the space part
[12:34 PM] Ark: Or any of it
[12:35 PM] Ark: Really
[12:35 PM] Ark: :stuck_out_tongue:
[12:35 PM] Omega: I don't like themes
[12:35 PM] harmoneia: please make a separate channel for discussing themes.
[12:35 PM] Ark: I think it would be better if there wasn't an assigned theme
[12:35 PM] harmoneia: >_>
[12:35 PM] Ark: <_<
[12:36 PM] harmoneia: or any after-plan for that matter
[12:36 PM] harmoneia: because right now we are on the losing end
[12:36 PM] Omega: What if we got 2 channels: one that was #right_now and one that was #when_we _win
[12:36 PM] Thatcher: ^
[12:36 PM] Omega: @Ike
[12:37 PM] harmoneia: pls :stuck_out_tongue:
[12:37 PM] Ark: Fair enough.
[12:38 PM] Omega: @Somyrion (Aumelodia) are we keeping that sheet up to date?
[12:46 PM] Seraph: It doesn't look like it right now.
[12:54 PM] Omega: Seraph want to help me work on a story for that paper we are making?
[12:57 PM] Omega: I was thinking it will be about the hypocrisy presented by Lamb and Funk about how they are happy to exploit loopholes until someone realizes they are and then they immediately change their narrative to be against the loophole and condemn those who abused it (them).
[1:04 PM] Seraph: I can try.  I haven't been following all the relevant threads, though (there hasn't been much time), so I'm not sure how much use I'll be.  Still, I'm very happy to support.
[1:18 PM] Omega: Okay good deal
[1:59 PM] Omega: Here's where I will be writing the article: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1K9p6MLia8JToAhBAfZyu2mn8BD17n1FIapmCDidXPS0/edit?usp=sharing
Google Docs
TLG Editon 1
TLG Edition 1What Happens When the Leaders of a Region Ignore its Laws? Lazarus Happens As many people across NS GP are aware by now, there have been some, let’s say, shenanigans, going on in Lazarus. It would appear as though there are two factions, one that advocates rule by law, and one tha...

[2:39 PM] Omega: Okay article done. Take a look and make any edits you think it needs @everyone
[2:51 PM] thechurchofsatan: The assertion that we have broken laws is incorrect. I would remove that part.
[2:52 PM] Omega: Could you highlight it real quick?
[2:53 PM] Omega: Okay what else?
[2:55 PM] Ike: Where do we intend to publish this? Seems to be a brief FYI
[2:55 PM] Omega: We can add to it and stuff.
[2:56 PM] Omega: I just wanted to get everything I had so far on paper.
[2:56 PM] thechurchofsatan: I fixed a couple typos beforehand but aside from that it seems fine. How about adding a part about taking advantage of a loophole that allows them to hold and close votes at their discretion. A loophole they made sure to preserve.
Ike pinned a message to this channel. See all the pins.07/18/2017
[2:57 PM] Ike: You should very clearly point out the parts where Funk has broken the law in his handling of the confirmations
[2:57 PM] Omega: I never figured out that loop hole. IS it the emergency provisions one?
[2:58 PM] thechurchofsatan: Remember the amendment on shortening voting times we tried to pass? That vote failed because they made sure to kill it.
[2:58 PM] Omega: Again y'all feel free to add to it. This is not just my article.(edited)
[2:59 PM] Omega: Wait which one. The one I proposed earlier?
[3:00 PM] thechurchofsatan: http://s15.zetaboards.com/NSLazarus/topic/10236904/1/
[3:13 PM] Omega: Okay I have to go so feel free to just add what needs to be added
[3:14 PM] Omega: I trust y'all
[3:14 PM] Ark: See you later, Comrade.
[3:14 PM] thechurchofsatan: Just FYI, that 14 minute proposal was a motion of no confidence in me as prelate.
[3:15 PM] Ark: :confused:
[3:19 PM] Omega: Add it in to the article! I can't really from mobile
[3:31 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): just fyi, I'm not running for delegate, I need to defend >.>
[3:31 PM] Ike: If we're forming a united bloc to run a delegate, it should be someone who already has a decent bit of influence, activity and endorsements
[3:32 PM] Ike: Like Harm or Amerion
[3:32 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Amerion's said he's not
[3:32 PM] Ike: right
[3:32 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Doperland?
[3:32 PM] Ike: Don't think he much wants to either
[3:32 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): okay
[3:34 PM] Doperland: Yeah, I'd prefer to not take the Delegacy.
[3:34 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): @Omega "denied Church of Satan a Prelate seat were illegal if the Prelate votes were election’s OR Funk illegally administered the Prelate votes for Omega and Adytus if they were not elections" this is not necessarily true
[3:34 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): depending on the interpretation of the new citizen clause
[3:34 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): what is true is that if it was an election, they're still invalid
[3:34 PM] Omega: Just put it in there. I can't really edit easily right now
[3:35 PM] Ike: What about Moot? If he's active
[3:40 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): can we make this article a little more interesting and less obviously one-sided
[3:40 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): :stuck_out_tongue:
[3:44 PM] Lenlyvit: If we create a constitutional monarchy or whatever you guys were talking about, I think we will need something that handles other allegiances. Such as, when you take office you need to foreswear your vows to other regions or people publicly while at the same time publicly swearing to Lazarus and its people
[3:45 PM] Lenlyvit: is totally not thinking about the NPO, sorry Ark
[3:59 PM] Wintermoot: What about me? v_v
[4:02 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): will you run for delegate? :stuck_out_tongue:
[4:02 PM] Wintermoot: Against Funk?
[4:05 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Probably, yes
[4:05 PM] thechurchofsatan: @Somyrion (Aumelodia) it's more accurate than you think. Just days before the expedited vote I was reconfirmed unanimously. Even Funk and lamb voted for me. They changed their minds four days after the vote ended and stonewalled it to keep me out of the court.
[4:06 PM] Ike: We need someone who can be consistently active
[4:06 PM] Wintermoot: I don't think my candidacy would be successful...for one, I'm the leader of another region.
[4:06 PM] Ike: riiiight
[4:07 PM] Wintermoot: And two, I lost election for DotR last time :stuck_out_tongue:
[4:07 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Ike?
[4:08 PM] Ike: Well
[4:08 PM] Ike: I guess I can
[4:08 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): you ran last time
[4:08 PM] Ike: I lost
[4:08 PM] Ike: But the person who beat me went inactive
[4:08 PM] Ike: >_>
[4:08 PM] Ike: I'll do it if there's no one better, I guess.
[4:09 PM] Wintermoot: How important is it that we win that seat?
[4:09 PM] Atlantica: I don't think that you should run because I don't think that you're particularly popular amongst a certain section of Lazarenes. Someone more uncontroversial should run.
[4:09 PM] Ike: That's what I was thinking
[4:09 PM] Ike: A lot of people don't like me
[4:10 PM] Doperland: Honestly, I'd run, but I know I wouldn't be able to be very active.
[4:10 PM] Ike: Activity is a must
[4:10 PM] Doperland: Mhmm.
[4:10 PM] thechurchofsatan: I would suggest either Omega or Aumelodia.
[4:10 PM] Ark: I can run, if you all want. But I know that some of you have reservations, so maybe omega is better.
[4:10 PM] Ike: Somy won't run, as much as I want him to
[4:11 PM] Ike: Ark you would make a great delegate but there's no way in hell anyone would vote for you
[4:11 PM] Ark: I've been here a decently long time now.
[4:11 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): If Omega is willing, he would be good
[4:11 PM] Ark: At least enough that natives don't automatically hate me :stuck_out_tongue:
[4:11 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): and they will cry NPO no matter what
[4:11 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): :stuck_out_tongue:
[4:11 PM] Ike: ^
[4:12 PM] Atlantica: Exactly the problem with Ark running
[4:12 PM] Atlantica: We really can't afford to take any risks in this election, and that's a big one
[4:13 PM] Ike: We need to find the right balance of high profile and uncontroversial
[4:13 PM] Ike: And I can't think of anyone better than Somyrion >_>
[4:13 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I would run but if I lock myself for three months I fear I'll go the way of Altmoras :stuck_out_tongue:
[4:14 PM] Ike: I mean when you think about it, it's only one endorsement less per update, you're not too much of a loss compared to the service you'd be doing for Laz :stuck_out_tongue:
[4:14 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): This is why we need the Sovereign to be a ceremonial position and Head of Gov to be WA non-necessary >.>
[4:14 PM] Ike: Agreed, but right now we need to find an active head of government and delegate
[4:14 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): hmmm
[4:14 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I mean after the summer it's not like I can update more than once a week
[4:14 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): so...
[4:14 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): maybe
[4:16 PM] Ike: What we need is maintaining activity as the leader of a GCR through the summer
[4:16 PM] Ike: You're the perfect candidate. Active, proven, respected, military chops
[4:16 PM] Ike: You're like fucking Charles de Gaulle
[4:17 PM] Lenlyvit: And I'm mince meat :wink:
[4:17 PM] Ike: You're one of the most high profile wardens, that wouldn't go down too well :stuck_out_tongue:
[4:17 PM] Lenlyvit: Ikr? Lolol
[4:19 PM] Ike:

[4:19 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): >.>
[4:19 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): NO CONSCRIPTION
[4:20 PM] Ike: FULL CONSCRIPTION
[4:20 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I'll join the WA in Laz after tsp delegate elections are over
[4:20 PM] Ike: Oh shit, what's your influence on your Laz nation anyway?
[4:20 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): p low
[4:20 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): it's only ever been in the WA once or twice for a day or so
[4:20 PM] Ike: Hm. A challenge, but nothing we can't overcome
[4:20 PM] Ark: "This is why we need the Sovereign to be a ceremonial position and Head of Gov to be WA non-necessary >.>" agreed.
[4:20 PM] Lenlyvit: ^
[4:20 PM] Lenlyvit: Also agreed
[4:21 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): just import TSP government to Laz
[4:21 PM] Lenlyvit: Lolol
[4:21 PM] Ark: That's part of the constitution I'm drafting more or less
[4:21 PM] Ike: I think maybe we should propose an amendment to the Mandate in the coming days to accomplish this
[4:21 PM] Ike: What Ark said
[4:21 PM] Ark: Delegate isn't totally ceremonial, but also can't dissolve the government of Australia at a whim :stuck_out_tongue:
[4:22 PM] Ike: >_>
[4:22 PM] Atlantica: If there are any ejections that Somy can't perform, Doperland or one of the Guardians can do it for now(edited)
[4:22 PM] Lenlyvit: ^
[4:22 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): delegate should be a gameside-focused office
[4:22 PM] Ark: Yep.
[4:22 PM] Andrew: what have i missed?
[4:22 PM] Ark: Like I was saying, constitutional monarchy type thing
[4:23 PM] Ark: The powers of CB and Soveriegn would be more or less switched
[4:23 PM] Ike: I don't think the Delegate should just rule until they feel like retiring
[4:23 PM] Ike: We should re-confirm the Delegate every few months
[4:23 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): @Andrew not as much as yesterday :stuck_out_tongue:
[4:23 PM] Ark: That seems fair.
[4:23 PM] Ark: Or maybe less
[4:23 PM] Ark: Two or three times a year maybe
[4:23 PM] Ark: That way we can make a celebration out of it too :stuck_out_tongue:
[4:24 PM] Ike: Indeed
[4:24 PM] Ark: But we still need to focus on right now.
[4:24 PM] Ark: IE getting Funkadelia the hell out of office.
[4:25 PM] Ike: Right, but at the same time, we should be taking steps to curtail his legal powers
[4:25 PM] Ike: And switching the CB/Sovereign roles are a great way to do that
[4:25 PM] Ark: I don't think that's gonna happen before elections come around.
[4:25 PM] Ike: When are elections, anyway?
[4:25 PM] Andrew: i see ur proposing something similair to TSP
[4:25 PM] Ark: Next month some time.
[4:26 PM] Ark: I am, Andrew. Not identical, but similar in some key ways.
[4:26 PM] Ark: The only thing I really want The Delegacy to have power over is appearance.
[4:26 PM] Ark: I'm the kind of person who would obsessively change the WFE color scheme every couple of weeks xD
[4:26 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): and maybe RMB suppression power?
[4:26 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): ^^^ that
[4:27 PM] Ark: Yeah that too. Regional security powers are a must have
[4:27 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): if elected delegate, I promise a new WFE color scheme every day!
[4:27 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): with.....gradients!
[4:27 PM] Ark: But nothing like "Chancellor's emergency powers"
[4:27 PM] Ark: :stuck_out_tongue:
[4:27 PM] Ark: Ew
[4:27 PM] Ark: No
[4:27 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): yeah no
[4:27 PM] Ike: Order 66
[4:27 PM] Ark: If you use gradients I will recall you
[4:27 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): o.o
[4:27 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): what do you have against gradients
[4:27 PM] Ark: :stuck_out_tongue:
[4:27 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): they are beautiful
[4:27 PM] Ark: Everything
[4:27 PM] Ark: They're horrid
[4:27 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): like TRR's wfe
[4:27 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): :heart:
[4:27 PM] Ark: Lmao(edited)
[4:28 PM] Ike: Let's just all agree that we're loyal to Lazarene democracy, not the theme :stuck_out_tongue:
[4:28 PM] Ark: Yes. Fuck the CU theme tbh.
[4:29 PM] Ark: No-theme Lazarus is best Lazarus
[4:29 PM] Ike: Funk actually had a cool idea awhile back for a new theme
[4:29 PM] Ike: It was focused on the undead
[4:29 PM] Ark: Meeeeh
[4:29 PM] Ike: With a Skeleton King, necromancer cults, etc
[4:29 PM] Ike: He wrote a whole constitution
[4:29 PM] Ike: It was pretty baller
[4:29 PM] Ark: Didn't we already have that at one point
[4:29 PM] Lenlyvit: No thanks
[4:29 PM] Atlantica: I don't think that RMB suppression power should be handled by the Delegate and instead handled by someone else (such as the Vice-Delegate or an institution similar to the Local Council in TSP; I am quite a fan of the Local Council, simply because it gives the Gameside some power) because making the Delegate completely powerless in Lazarene law really helps enshrine the position as a purely ceremonial and custodial role meant to be a bond of trust to some elder statesperson essentially saying that; "We trust you to appoint the necessary ROs and to not coup."
[4:29 PM] Ike: Yeah like 10 years ago
[4:29 PM] Lenlyvit: But, loyal to Laz itself I am
[4:29 PM] Ike: @Atlantica is right, we can just give security officers suppression power
[4:30 PM] Ark: RMB suppression, imho, should be a power the Delegate has
[4:30 PM] Ark: But not a power only the Delegate has
[4:30 PM] Ark: I think that regional Guardians, for example, should have the power as well.
[4:31 PM] Ark: And the Guardianship + Delegate should function akin to a security council in other GCRs
[4:34 PM] Ark: So you'd have four branches of government, handling their own shit.
Executive - PM, Ministers,
Legislative - was thinking maybe a senate, I don't care for bicameral stuff
Judicial - 5 justices, one picked by the "monarch", one by the executive, three by the legislative
The Monarchy - The monarch (Delegate), Prince/Princess (Vice Del), the Lords (Guardians), would be responsible for ceremonial and security roles.
[4:34 PM] Ike: I like it
[4:34 PM] Ike: Pseudo-feudal
[4:34 PM] Ike: Very top down
[4:34 PM] Ark: So the guardians would have direct power to override the Delegate on security matters
[4:35 PM] Ike: Although if we have a Monarchy, we'll need a royal family, and by extent you'd expect people with a title like Prince to be part of that family
[4:35 PM] Atlantica: I agree very strongly with creating a security council-esque institution (I think that recent days have proven the immense need for such an institution, specifically an institution with powers similar to that of the CRS in TSP) but I don't agree with requiring its members to be necessarily WA-locked, because I think that that may limit the people available for such an institution.
[4:35 PM] Ike: So I'd recommend retitling the Vice Delegate position to like, Regent or King's Hand or something
[4:35 PM] Ark: Well
[4:35 PM] Ark: I like Regent
[4:36 PM] Ark: And as for how guardians are picked
[4:36 PM] Atlantica: Also, I don't think that the monarch should really have any power in regards to security or choosing the judiciary, because that creates a degree of competence in matters that the citizenry may consider when choosing a Delegate, which is want I want to avoid because I simply want the Delegacy to be a position of trust and trust alone.
[4:36 PM] Ark: My thought was we could have each branch nominate one Guardian for confirmation, except for the monarchy
[4:37 PM] Ark: Because the Vice Del would basically the Monarchy's Guardian
[4:37 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Can we stay away from the names please? :stuck_out_tongue:
[4:37 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): that's the most petty part
[4:38 PM] Seraph: If I don't make it to delegate in TSP you can make me your puppet delegate. :P
[4:38 PM] Ark: We can sort out names later, yeah.
[4:38 PM] Ark: And the monarchy nominating one justice isn't that bad
[4:38 PM] Ike: Yeah maybe it's a bit early to be going over new theme ideas. 20 people in here and I'm sure we all have different ideas of what would be best
[4:39 PM] Ark: It's not a theme, it's a government
[4:39 PM] Ark: These ware just working terms
[4:39 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): and this all depends on the 60+% chance we lose the election and none of this happens :stuck_out_tongue:
[4:40 PM] Ark: Don't be pessimistic >_>
[4:40 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Well it's no use planning something that's never going to happen if we could better use that time trying to make it possible in the first place
[4:41 PM] Ark: And what do you propose we do with this time?
[4:42 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Work on finding ways to unsettle Funk and make capturing the election possible
[4:42 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): internal recruitment
[4:44 PM] Ark: That's kind of vague, and it seems like it's what we're doing now anyways
[4:46 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I can't give specific ideas other than it seems to me this is unproductive :p
[4:46 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): but continue, things seem to be calm right now
[4:49 PM] Omega: Do I need to run for Delegate?
[4:50 PM] Omega: Someone floated my name. If I absolutely need to I will.
[4:51 PM] Ike: Maybe, but I think Somy is our best option right now
[4:51 PM] Omega: Okay
[4:51 PM] Omega: I'll just offer myself if it's what would be best for Lazarus
[4:53 PM] Seraph: I think Somy would be the most likely to win?
[4:53 PM] Seraph: But yeah, lots of willing candidates, I guess.
[4:53 PM] Ike: Somy has a higher profile and better reputation
[4:53 PM] Seraph: Indeed.
[4:54 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): @Seraph do you still have that interview you did of me a while ago? :stuck_out_tongue:
[4:54 PM] Omega: I agree
[4:55 PM] Seraph: Yes.
[4:55 PM] Seraph: It's still sitting on the forum in code form, too.
[4:55 PM] Seraph: At least, I assume it still is.  It was last time I checked.
[4:56 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Ah
[5:02 PM] Seraph: Do you feel the need to resurrect it in some form?
[5:04 PM] Omega: Okay so what needs to be done for the article?
[5:05 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Just curious
[5:06 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): It might be useful in propaganda, oddly, of some form :p
[5:06 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): not sure though
[5:12 PM] Ark: @Doperland seriously? >_>
[5:12 PM] Doperland: What?
[5:13 PM] Ark: If you could just not validate funk's argument that would be nice :ok_hand:
[5:13 PM] Ark: Asking for civility is fine, but seriously.
[5:14 PM] Doperland: Meh. I'm still not 100% sure I'm even behind this cause 100%
[5:14 PM] Ike: Why's that?
[5:14 PM] Doperland: Because I'm just not sure.
[5:14 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): mhm
[5:15 PM] Doperland: Like, I'm not going to go and join them. But I'm not sure I even want to get involved.
[5:15 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): That's reasonable.
[5:15 PM] Doperland: This is exactly what I disapprove of. Division.
[5:15 PM] Ike: We want to keep the people of Lazarus united as much as possible
[5:16 PM] Ark: If you don't wanna get involved then please don't get involved when I'm arguing with Funk and Lamb at all.
[5:16 PM] Ike: But the lines have already been drawn. It's impossible to avoid division at this point
[5:16 PM] Ike: The people we've gathered here consist of most of our region's active citizenry
[5:16 PM] Ike: There aren't too many people left to be divided
[5:17 PM] Doperland: True.
[5:17 PM] Ark: I'm actually trying to get them to slip up, so basically defending them didn't help.
[5:17 PM] Doperland: And Ark, personally, I still trust Funk. I don't support him, but I trust him a little.
[5:18 PM] Ike: You don't need to be vocal if you don't want to, but at this point the people against us are either the Lazarenes deadset on destroying our democracy, or their foreign cronies
[5:18 PM] Ike: Don't be silent for silence's sake
[5:18 PM] Ark: Either way, I'd prefer it if you didn't jump in with points on either side if you aren't sure.
[5:18 PM] Doperland: Fair enough.
[5:18 PM] Morozovia: Somy gots my vote :smile:
[5:19 PM] Ark: Mine as well.
[5:19 PM] Ike: ^^
[5:21 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): :smile:
[5:43 PM] Omega: Okay so GP, should I keep a presence there on this matter.
[5:43 PM] Ike: Indeed
[5:47 PM] Omega: Okay will do
[6:14 PM] Omega: I'm up to 37 endos
[6:14 PM] Ike: Good job.
[6:18 PM] Omega: Endoing like 250 people helps
[7:10 PM] Lenlyvit: I had 90 within two days in 10000 Islands
[7:35 PM] Omega: Noice!
[9:13 PM] Ark: Have any of our articles been posted?
[9:13 PM] Ark: @here
[9:14 PM] Ike: Where would we post them, anyway?
[9:14 PM] Ark: NSGP and the Laz forums.
[9:14 PM] Ark: @Omega?
[9:15 PM] Atlantica: Don't post them on the Laz forums, the IP of whoever posted the article could be tracked
[9:15 PM] Ike: We could just have a vocal resistance member post it on behalf of all of us
[9:15 PM] Ike: No need to be anonymous with it
[9:17 PM] Ark: ^^^
[9:17 PM] Ark: Amerion is kind of burnt at the moment, unfortunately.
[9:18 PM] Ark: Anything you'd like to contribute, @Curious Observations?
[9:35 PM] Omega: No it has not been posted
[9:56 PM] Svezjacael: Paper comes from single publisher right? Who have we figured it as?
[9:56 PM] Ike: I can, unless anyone else would like to
[10:01 PM] Svezjacael: Any works, I just didn't know if it was decided or not.
[10:01 PM] Amerion: Ike should then
[10:02 PM] Amerion: @Ark yeh, that case has put me on the back foot
[10:02 PM] Ark: Yeah.
[10:31 PM] Lenlyvit: I'm catching up on the forum a little finally. I see that they're really vociferous on fixing the election laws after they got their way and the positions they wanted
[10:31 PM] Ike: Yeah, it's just a lampshade
[10:31 PM] Ike: They want to make it look like they're addressing the issue
[10:32 PM] Ark: Yep.
[10:34 PM] Doperland:

[10:34 PM] Doperland: Probably sarcasm but still.
[10:35 PM] Ike: The problem is he most likely means it, but Funk can use his apparent sarcasm as an excuse
[10:35 PM] Doperland: Yeah...
[10:37 PM] Lenlyvit: waves his hand around I need an explanation on who "The Empire" is pls
[10:37 PM] Doperland: LKE if that makes more sense not that I know what the acronym stands for
[10:37 PM] Lenlyvit: Fucking phone
[10:38 PM] Ike: Well
[10:38 PM] Ike: It's a cabal of four people
[10:38 PM] Lenlyvit: The Land of Kings and Emperors?
[10:38 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): the empire is a group of four people
[10:38 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): not them :stuck_out_tongue:
[10:38 PM] Ike: Dalimbar, Biyah, Neenee, and...
[10:38 PM] Doperland: Oh? Not the LKE?
[10:38 PM] Ike: Who was the other
[10:38 PM] Ike: Neo Kervoskia?
[10:38 PM] Doperland: Ooh
[10:38 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I think
[10:38 PM] Ike: Dali, Biyah, Neenee and NK
[10:38 PM] Ike: They took over a feeder awhile back
[10:38 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): who're known for couping GCRs
[10:38 PM] Ike: TSP I think?
[10:38 PM] Ike: Yeah
[10:38 PM] Atlantica: TEP
[10:38 PM] Ike: Ah
[10:38 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): and other stuff like that
[10:39 PM] Lenlyvit: So, they really control Osi and TWP?
[10:39 PM] Ike: So every so often they re-emerge from the shadows
[10:39 PM] Ike: Well, maybe
[10:39 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): there's a lot of conspiracy stuff about them
[10:39 PM] Ike: Biyah was more or less exiled because he's a piece of garbage human being
[10:39 PM] Ike: Dalimbar retired
[10:39 PM] Ike: Neenee seems to be not getting up to too much these days
[10:39 PM] Ike: Only NK is making real moves
[10:39 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): and NK is del of Osi
[10:40 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Rahl is a NS family that has a bunch of the Empire members as prominent leaders
[10:41 PM] Atlantica: Back in 2008, although they later attempted to take control of TRR and TSP in 2011, served as a cabal in Osiris in many respects under the KRO (until they were purged in late 2013), had some power in the PRL, rose to power in Osiris after Cormac's coup and now apparently rule TWP (I don't really know TWP's history that well)
^That's the very very very simplified version
[10:41 PM] Ike: The deal with TWP is like
[10:41 PM] Ike: I was there in early 2015
[10:42 PM] Ike: Darkesia was Delegate, Milograd brought me and a friend over to bring some kind of political revolution
[10:42 PM] Ike: My friend, who we'll call Carlos, ended up getting on Elegarth's nerves, so after he beat Elegarth in an election for Prime Minister, and probably heir apparent to Darkesia, he convinced the oligarchy to ban him from the region(edited)
[10:43 PM] Ike: She eventually goes, I forget who replaced her as Delegate.
[10:43 PM] Ike: Whoever it was chose Badger as their successor, and he rises to power
[10:43 PM] Ike: Fresh new face, the only one who managed to get past the aristocracy
[10:43 PM] Ike: Few weeks ago he purged the TWP guardianship of some old, established members
[10:43 PM] Ike: Some call it a coup. I approve of his actions, since most of the people he purged were cunts
[10:43 PM] Ike: Badger also happens to be in the Rahl family
[10:51 PM] Omega: This is so bad
[10:51 PM] Omega: If Enpire is invoked though I would think I could rally some allies.
[10:51 PM] Ike: If we drag the Empire into this, they could rally theirs
[10:51 PM] Ark: Empire is not a cabal of four people.
[10:51 PM] Ike: I don't think it's an Empire scheme
[10:51 PM] Ark: At least, not anymore.
[10:51 PM] Atlantica: I have no love for the TWP old guard but it's still a blatant takeover by Badger (who I may add is the successor to Dali as the Patriarch of one of the four Rahl Clans; NK, Neenee and Biyah are the other three Patriarchs), considering the fact that he kept Neenee on as a Guardian even though she's just as much of a member of the old guard as the others are.
A reading of TWP's history page shows that Darkesia was briefly succeeded by Mediobogdum, then by United RussoAsia (the guy that gave his nation to DEN after he became unpopular with the Guardians), then by Mediobogdum and finally by Elegarth.
[10:51 PM] Ike: I think it's just handy that this lines up in the Empire's interests
[10:52 PM] Ark: Hey, this isn't about Empire.
[10:52 PM] Ark: This isn't about the Rahls
[10:52 PM] Ike: It isn't and won't be
[10:52 PM] Ike: Well
[10:52 PM] Ark: Or TWP
[10:52 PM] Ark: This is about Lazarus.
[10:52 PM] Ike: ^^
[10:52 PM] Ike: It's best that we discard any notions of Empire/Rahl conspiracy
[10:52 PM] Ike: There's little basis for it, and it doesn't make us look good
[10:52 PM] Ark: And I am fucking sick and tired of everyone threadjacking us for their own petty agendas.
[10:53 PM] Ark: So here's the deal.
[10:53 PM] Ark: We are going to do everything in our power to make everyday hell for Funkadelia and his cronies.
[10:54 PM] Ark: We are going to make him feel like he's losing control of the situation.
[10:54 PM] Atlantica: Any risk involved in having Empire/the Rahls dragging their people into this isn't relevant because they already got their people. I don't think there are any major political risks involved, although if as a matter of principle we don't want to use that as a part of our rhetoric then that's another matter entirely.
[10:55 PM] Ark: And when he feels like he's lost control, he will coup. That's when we bring all of our friends to bare against him, and that's when Lazarus finally gains its independence for the first time in years.
[10:55 PM] Ark: But right now, and we can't lie to each other and ourselves, we are just short of laying down and taking this.(edited)
[10:56 PM] Ark: So seriously, all of you: it's time to hike up our skirts and defend our home, for better or worse. Struggles like this aren't won by being laid back.
[10:56 PM] Lenlyvit: Jesus christ, Cormac went Onderwall didn't he?
[10:56 PM] Lenlyvit: Holy fuck man
[10:56 PM] Ark: Cormac always goes onderwall.
[10:57 PM] Ike: He tried.
[10:57 PM] Ike: You should've seen me try to out-Onder Onder in Balder a few months back
[10:57 PM] Ike: It was pretty sick
[10:58 PM] Doperland: Viva la revolution?
[10:59 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): here's the fndamental question: What can I do right now to defend Lazarus?
[10:59 PM] Ark: Piss off Funkadelia. Piss off lamb.
[10:59 PM] Ike: I would point out that Funkadelia is moving on with the Amerion case, showing he has no intent of listening to our objections.
[10:59 PM] Ark: Angry people make bad decisions. They slip up and admit things.
[10:59 PM] Ike: At this point I'd like to bring up the petition again
[10:59 PM] Ike: https://pastebin.com/g16yC07T
Pastebin
WE, THE UNDERSIGNED CITIZENS OF THE CELESTIAL UNION OF LAZARUS, In recognitio - Pastebin.com

[11:00 PM] Ike: If we publicly state, all 19 of us, that we do not recognize his attempt to corrupt our judicial system, then his and KK's attempts to hit Amerion will have no legitimacy.
[11:00 PM] Ark: I don't know about y'all, but I didn't sign up for this thinking it'd be a walk in the park. If you were expecting easy, get out. Simple as that.
[11:01 PM] Atlantica: Funkadelia's not stupid and he'll probably recognize what we're doing (or at least keep control enough not to coup) unless he gets as drunk as he did last night and he's bothered enough already that he does more than just ramble on about how he saved Lazarus from the NLO.
[11:01 PM] Ike: We need to exhaust every option we have to be a thorn in his side. Perpetually.
[11:01 PM] Ark: He didn't save Lazarus from anything.
[11:01 PM] Ike: That means publicly and collectively opposing him at every angle.
[11:01 PM] Ark: And besides, that's no excuse for screwing it now.
[11:02 PM] Ike: Can I get your thoughts on this here proclamation?
[11:02 PM] Ark: I'm reading it now.
[11:02 PM] Ike: Got it
[11:02 PM] Ike: @here I encourage you all to take a read, this seems like a good idea to me
[11:03 PM] Amerion: Just started a tour of some temple. Will read it soon
[11:03 PM] Ike: nice nice
[11:04 PM] Ark: I think it's solid.
[11:04 PM] Ark: And a good start.
[11:04 PM] Ike: I'm going to try and get every individual citizen in here to sign
[11:04 PM] Ike: Should I add your guys' names?
[11:05 PM] Ark: Now anyone who's doing propaganda, get going on that. I want us to blitz funk with opposition propaganda ASAP.
[11:05 PM] Ark: Yes.
[11:05 PM] Ike: See if you can get Svez to write some more propaganada, he's good at this shit
[11:05 PM] Ark: He's already on it.
[11:05 PM] Kanglia: I like it Ike
[11:06 PM] Ike: You're a citizen, Kanglia?
[11:06 PM] Kanglia: It's a good start
[11:06 PM] Kanglia: Correct
[11:06 PM] Ike: Cooli
[11:06 PM] Ark: I want at least one person actively working on Somy's chart. Updating and recruiting round the clock if possible.
[11:06 PM] Ark: Atlántica, Kanglia, would you two be up for that?
[11:06 PM] Kanglia: I'm sure I can handle it
[11:07 PM] Ark: Good. Can someone link the chart here for Kanglia
[11:07 PM] Kanglia: @Somyrion (Aumelodia) hit me up with any data I'll need
[11:07 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): fully in support of the document
[11:07 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): yep
[11:08 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I'll show you how to edit it
[11:08 PM] Ark: We want as many people as possible in the "Union" category. If there is anyone you aren't sure about asking, come to myself, Somy, or Ike.(edited)
[11:08 PM] Atlantica: I also fully support the document and I'm fine working with Kanglia on Somy's chart
[11:08 PM] Kanglia: :thumbsup: Got it
[11:08 PM] Ark: Thank you.
[11:08 PM] Ike: The Alliance for the Preservation of the Union
[11:08 PM] Ark: This is really starting to go somewhere, guys.
[11:08 PM] Ike: Almost like Star Wars.
[11:08 PM] Ark: @Ike you might call it
[11:08 PM] Ark: The Rebel Alliance
[11:08 PM] Ike: I ain't calling it, I'm proclaiming it
[11:08 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): also, let's make the people in the neutral category top priority for recruitment
[11:09 PM] Ark: :^)
[11:09 PM] Ike: >_>
[11:09 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): @Ike omega would like that :stuck_out_tongue:
[11:09 PM] Ike: Welcome to the Alliance, everyone
[11:09 PM] Ark: Agreed, Somy.
[11:09 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): his party in tsp is the alliance for the preservation of the coalition
[11:09 PM] Ark: Lazarene Liberation Alliance? :stuck_out_tongue:
[11:09 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): :stuck_out_tongue:
[11:09 PM] Ark: lol
[11:09 PM] Ike: Really?
[11:09 PM] Ike: I'm basing it off Star Wars lmao
[11:10 PM] Ark: Okay, Recruitment is going.
[11:10 PM] Ike: Alliance For The Preservation Of The Union
[11:10 PM] Ike: Who're you recruiting?
[11:10 PM] Lenlyvit: @Ike sign my name on the petition pls
[11:10 PM] Ike: Sure thing
[11:10 PM] Ike: What's your position? LCA Paladin?
[11:10 PM] Ark: Ike, can you handle getting people together for propaganda?
[11:11 PM] Ike: We have them all here, don't we?
[11:11 PM] Ark: And making sure they're actually doing stuff, of course.
[11:11 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia):

[11:11 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): :stuck_out_tongue:(edited)
[11:11 PM] Ark: We need to be organized, Ike.
[11:11 PM] Ark: Which means we need someone who's making sure the prop writers are doing what they're supposed to be.
[11:11 PM] Ark: I'm asking if you're down?
[11:11 PM] Ike: Course I'm down
[11:11 PM] Ark: Good.
[11:12 PM] Ike: Okay, maybe change the name so we aren't afficially APU
[11:13 PM] Atlantica: As a member of the opposing political party in TSP, I for one am reluctant to call it the APU but if that's what everyone agrees on I'll go with it :stuck_out_tongue:
Also, going back to your statement on the coup Ark, I think that we should take a moment to discuss the logistics of resistance to the coup in the first place. As we speak, there's a 71-endo difference between Harmoneia (180) and Funkadelia (251). I think that we could pull it off, but logistics do still need to be worked out simply because of how dangerous and risky this plan could be.
[11:13 PM] Ike:

[11:13 PM] Ark: I will work on turning the LWU members of Lazarus into a collective GP salt mine. Svez and Ike are well aware that if anyone can be a barbed Thorn in someone's side, it's me.
[11:14 PM] Ike: Heheh
[11:14 PM] Ark: And I will work on those logistics, Atlántica. This isn't my first go-around with conducting military ops.
[11:14 PM] Ike: Atlantica is good for that shit too, but more in secret
[11:14 PM] Ark: Good.
[11:14 PM] Ike: How about the Coalition to Preserve the Union?
[11:14 PM] Ike: CPU
[11:14 PM] Ark: lol
[11:15 PM] Ark: "We are... The Computer Processing Unit!"
[11:15 PM] Ike: >_>
[11:15 PM] Ark: "Oh wait shit wrong one"
[11:15 PM] Ark: :stuck_out_tongue:
[11:15 PM] Kanglia: You can make it 181.
[11:15 PM] Ike:

[11:15 PM] Ark: When coup-time comes, we obviously all have to unendo Funk.
[11:15 PM] Ark: lol Somy
[11:15 PM] Ike: Stop endorsing Funk already
[11:15 PM] Atlantica: In Ankh Mauta Defenderdom and the NPO collectively mustered about 60 endorsements on short notice. We could probably count on the NPA and ERN to support the resistance as well. Ark and Moro, I hope that you guys could be trusted to get Wintercrest onto our side if necessary.
[11:16 PM] Ike: We're not legally obligated to endorse him
[11:16 PM] Ike: @Atlantica Counting on is one thing, but we need to be sure. You think you can talk to any sources in TNP or Euro?
[11:16 PM] Ark: Yes, Wintercrest is an NPO buddy, which means Zenny and Piper are friends of mine.
[11:16 PM] Ike: Speaking of Zenny and Piper
[11:16 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Not endoing funk right now seems like a bad idea
[11:16 PM] Ike: Any Red Fleet/Internationale support on our horizon? What are the odds as far as that goes?
[11:17 PM] Ark: I can talk to misley.
[11:17 PM] Ike: You better do it. I wouldn't have the temper
[11:17 PM] Ark: I'll promise a Communist government name or two :stuck_out_tongue:
[11:17 PM] Ike: Although maybe Atlantica would be good given he's a legit commie, there's common ground there
[11:17 PM] Atlantica: There's no one I know in TNP or Euro, so I don't know if I can be of any assistance there.
[11:17 PM] Ark: "We'll call the deputies Commissars, I promise"
[11:17 PM] Ike: zS
[11:18 PM] Ark: I can talk to Euro, we are going to have to look for TNP
[11:18 PM] Ike: xD\
[11:18 PM] Ike: Shit I just can't type today
[11:18 PM] Ark: they obviously don't like me on principle XD
[11:18 PM] Kanglia: I'm gonna gather all the members of my main's region as possible. I'm sure we can get several who aren't military related
[11:18 PM] Ark: Thanks.
[11:18 PM] Ike: What region is that?
[11:18 PM] Kanglia: The Union of Democratic States.
[11:19 PM] Ark: Thanks to my purposefully messy job as FA Archbishop, Funk will have few allies this go-around, and not even the Native Lazarenes are on his side.
[11:19 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): not yet ofc, just in case of action
[11:19 PM] Ark: Yeah.
[11:19 PM] Ike: I love the irony of the FA Archbishop actively working against the Delegate to save the region
[11:19 PM] Omega: I like how APU sounds...
[11:20 PM] Ike: @Lenlyvit Are you an LCA soldier or the actual commander?
[11:20 PM] Atlantica: I'm still a member of the Red Fleet, but I'm not an officer so I really don't know the inner workings of TRF. However, I would guess that they would remain neutral simply because they don't meddle in the affairs of regions that aren't socialist/leftist or aren't fascist/enemies of TRF/engaging in anti-communist action/regions TRF perceives as fascist that others may not necessarily view as fascist (e.g., THE TRUMP WARRIORS)
[11:20 PM] Lenlyvit: Som is commander(edited)
[11:20 PM] Ark: It'll be nice to come full circle. I was there when UDS' military was formed, now its helping with a GCR overthrow :stuck_out_tongue:
[11:20 PM] Lenlyvit: Also, ill speak to Kortexia
[11:20 PM] Kanglia: You'd be impressed with UDS military Ark, :stuck_out_tongue:
[11:20 PM] Lenlyvit: From TITO
[11:20 PM] Ike: Think we could exchange any kind of pledge to support their anti-fascist efforts in exchange for support?
[11:20 PM] Ark: That's good to hear, Kanglia.
[11:20 PM] Ike: They'd be super useful as the largest red raiders in the game
[11:21 PM] Ark: Ike, good idea.
[11:21 PM] Omega: Do you want to get TSP involved?
[11:21 PM] Ike: Yes, we do
[11:21 PM] Ark: When the time comes, we need TSP endos.
[11:21 PM] Ike: Indeed
[11:21 PM] Ike: And Roavin is with us in spirit
[11:21 PM] Lenlyvit: Ill get TITO
[11:21 PM] Ark: We just have to hope Yuno won't screw us over.
[11:21 PM] Atlantica: They assisted in the liberation of Lazarus from the NLO in 2015, but that's probably only because Lazarus was under the PRL at the time
[11:21 PM] Ark: Good.
[11:21 PM] Kanglia: She won't
[11:21 PM] Lenlyvit: Yuno won't
[11:21 PM] Ike: I don't think she would
[11:21 PM] Kanglia: I have confidence in Yuno
[11:21 PM] Ike: I have dirt on Yuno
[11:22 PM] Ark: @Atlantica make a pledge to fight fascism with TRF, it may convince them.
[11:22 PM] Ark: And tbh we'd probably end up fighting fash anyways, but they don't know that.
[11:22 PM] Ark: @Ike good to know.
[11:22 PM] Ike: Jesus I expected you to chew me out
[11:22 PM] Ike: I'd never blackmail her are you mad
[11:23 PM] Ark: I was hoping you'd say that :stuck_out_tongue:
[11:23 PM] Ike: heh
[11:23 PM] Ark: I trust Yuno as long as we can convince her she'll be on the right side of things.
[11:23 PM] Ike: Amerion was a Delegate once, wasn't he?
[11:23 PM] Omega: 3/4ths of the TSP cabinet are in my party. I've got them covered. Roavin, who isn't, is on our side.
[11:24 PM] Ark: I believe so, but Amerion is also burnt at the moment.
[11:24 PM] Ark: Pressure won't go over well with Yuno. You just need a convincing argument and maybe some anime.
[11:25 PM] Ike: Lots of anime.
[11:25 PM] Omega: I know
[11:25 PM] Ike: Nearly married her once.
[11:25 PM] Ark: I trust you to get this done, Omega. Don't forget about propaganda articles.
[11:25 PM] Omega: I know. Are they good to go?
[11:26 PM] Omega: And can @Somyrion (Aumelodia) send me the graphics?
[11:26 PM] Ark: Post them anywhere and everywhere you see fit, one at a time though
[11:26 PM] Amerion: People, Aume needs a show of public support in the Citizens chat
[11:26 PM] Omega: We only have the one.
[11:26 PM] Ark: And do not allow any more threadjacking
[11:26 PM] Atlantica: Yuno is a Rahl, so I'm not optimistic about that there. However, I do think that the Generals and officers would want to support us, as would the rest of the Cabinet.
[11:26 PM] Ike: Yuno is a Rahl?
[11:26 PM] Ark: If someone tried to change the topic to fit their own agenda, give them the third degree
[11:26 PM] Ike: Since when?
[11:26 PM] Ark: Since a while ago
[11:27 PM] Ark: But I think she'll still help tbh
[11:27 PM] Ike: Jesus that's fucked
[11:28 PM] Omega: Shit.
[11:28 PM] Omega: Well the rest of the Cabinet and most of the General Corps will be with us
[11:29 PM] Atlantica: I don't think she's involved in anything of political importance that the Rahls do, but that affiliation is still there.
[11:29 PM] Omega: I agree
[11:31 PM] Ike: Do you think we should talk to Badger himself to see where TWP officially stands and confirm it isn't any kind of Rahl conspiracy?
[11:31 PM] Lenlyvit: Ummmm
[11:31 PM] Lenlyvit: Is that wise?
[11:31 PM] Kanglia: It might be in our best interest, but even if it is, do you really believe Badger is going to say the truth
[11:31 PM] Kanglia: Because I don't
[11:32 PM] Ark: I wouldn't ask about Rahl
[11:32 PM] Ark: I'd just ask what stance West Pacifica is taking on this debacle.
[11:32 PM] Ark: And go from there.
[11:32 PM] Ike: Fair enough
[11:33 PM] Ike: You wanna do it, Ark?
[11:33 PM] Ike: An NPO rep meeting the leader of TWP smacks of Molotov-Ribbentrop and I like the sound of it :stuck_out_tongue:
[11:33 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): You do know badger is def in on the LWU plot, he's a voter for them
[11:33 PM] Ike: Did he vote their way?
[11:34 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): All the times.
[11:34 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Like, I put him in "inner/medium circle"
[11:34 PM] Ike: Well, shit. Forget about that.
[11:36 PM] Ark: Well
[11:36 PM] Ark: I'm trying to keep TWP off our back. "Our back" being both everyone here and the NPO proper, so I kinda feel like someone with less baggage should approach Badger.
[11:36 PM] Ike: I think we should hold off on approaching him
[11:37 PM] Ike: Now can someone tell me if Amerion was ever our Delegate? I feel like he was
[11:38 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Yes he was
[11:38 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Twice maybe?
[11:38 PM] Ike: Was Harm ever our CB?
[11:38 PM] Atlantica: The history page for Lazarus on NS reveals that he was the Delegate after BT and as one of the interim Delegates after Kowassati left and Funkadelia was elected
[11:39 PM] Ike: Ah there's a history page
[11:39 PM] Atlantica: She was not.
[11:39 PM] Ike: Where can I find the history page?
[11:40 PM] Kanglia: Should be on the region & click the history tab, the one I know of at least
[11:40 PM] Ike: Can you link em?
[11:40 PM] Kanglia: https://www.nationstates.net/page=region_history/region=lazarus
[11:40 PM] Ike: Not what I meant :stuck_out_tongue:
[11:40 PM] Kanglia: Only one I know of mate :stuck_out_tongue:
[11:43 PM] Ike: @Ark Might not wanna go all out with the "we're winning and you're not"
[11:43 PM] Ike: Might give people the wrong message about us
[11:43 PM] Ark: Just trying to make him feel powerless
[11:43 PM] Ark: Also, get someone to run a story on the Delegate who kicks out the guy who disagrees with him :stuck_out_tongue:
[11:50 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): What should we make of the masking removal?
[11:50 PM] Ike: Of whom?
[11:52 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Ark
[11:54 PM] Ike: Hey, if he's drunk, give some Trump comparisons. Pretty sure he's a big progressive, he won't like being compared to the political antichrist
July 19, 2017
[12:03 AM] Ark: Mhm.
[12:03 AM] Ark: Don't forget to make a note of how hilariously un-Democratic that is
[12:04 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Definitely, that needs a news piece and a long NSGP post all to it's own
[12:04 AM] Ike: That'd make some great satire.
[12:04 AM] Ike: Fuck, I'm gonna write that.
[12:04 AM] Ike: Brb.
[12:04 AM] Ark: lol
[12:07 AM] Doperland: You know guys, I think I could dedicate myself to being more active, assuming I'm needed to replace Funk.
[12:08 AM] Ark: You may be. I hope tonight has shed more light on why he needs to be out of the office.
[12:08 AM] Doperland: It has.
[12:10 AM] Doperland: It's sorta like he's too old for this.
[12:11 AM] Doperland: I think we just need someone new in office.
[12:11 AM] Ark: You either die on your feet or live to become a villain. Nice narrative tbh :stuck_out_tongue:
[12:11 AM] Doperland: Mhmm.
[12:13 AM] Omega: Did Funk really remove Ark?
[12:13 AM] Ark: As archbishop, yes.
[12:13 AM] Ark: Left my councilor status alone.
[12:13 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Wait not just in discord?
[12:13 AM] Ike: MHM
[12:14 AM] Ark: On the forums too? Loooool
[12:14 AM] Ike: he made a post dismissing you
[12:14 AM] Omega: Hasn;t been made public yet.
[12:14 AM] Omega: Where?
[12:14 AM] Ike: check the forum
[12:15 AM] Ark: Can you link it
[12:15 AM] Ike: http://s15.zetaboards.com/NSLazarus/topic/10255099/1/#new
[12:17 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Okay we need a piece up and out by morning
[12:18 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Before they have a chance to get the first foot and justify it
[12:18 AM] Ark: I replied, for the record.
[12:20 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Would it be a bad idea for me to lock the invalid Amerion case thread?
[12:20 AM] Ike: No, it would be a good idea.
[12:21 AM] Ike: wait
[12:21 AM] Ark: Yes.
[12:21 AM] Ark: Or maybe
[12:21 AM] Ike: You're only convenor, do you have the authority to do that legally?
[12:21 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I'm not Convenor.
[12:21 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I'm CB
[12:21 AM] Ike: oh god
[12:21 AM] Ike: what am i saying
[12:21 AM] Ike: yes you are
[12:21 AM] Ike: Do you have the authority as CB?
[12:21 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I have mini mod powes
[12:21 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Erm
[12:21 AM] Ark: Ah.
[12:21 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Not specifically
[12:21 AM] Ike: But like legally he can't throw a bitchfit about that
[12:21 AM] Ike: If he can, maybe play it safe for now
[12:22 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Okay
[12:22 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I will if we get substantially more evidence that it's illegal
[12:23 AM] Omega: I can lock it as I still have the Holy Prelate masking
[12:23 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): You shouldn't
[12:23 AM] Ike: Yes, but you're not legally entitled to do so
[12:23 AM] Ike: We need validity here
[12:24 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): It's unclear whether I am
[12:24 AM] Omega: I know. No one legally can stop him without the court finding it has 3 legally ruling members.(edited)
[12:24 AM] Ark: If there's no court, there's no one around to legally hold you accountable for locking the thread, Somy :stuck_out_tongue:
[12:25 AM] Omega: He's not wrong...
[12:25 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Lol, except a lot of bad press :stuck_out_tongue:
[12:25 AM] Omega: Eh.
[12:25 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): And some charges if the courts get working again
[12:25 AM] Ark: Meh
[12:25 AM] Ike: Yeah, it could be a propaganda piece for Funk if we don't play this right
[12:25 AM] Omega: Who wants to post in GP about Ark being fired?
[12:25 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Ike is I think
[12:25 AM] Omega: Okay good
[12:26 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Ike are you furiously writing >.>
[12:26 AM] Omega: I'll back up what he says with my always eloquent writing style.
[12:26 AM] Ike: I am... not
[12:26 AM] Ike: Yet
[12:26 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): We need fire
[12:26 AM] Ike: Not quite
[12:26 AM] Ike: I'm thinking of clever ways to spin it as a Trump article
[12:26 AM] Ike: Y'know, Trump-Comey
[12:26 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Okay, at least it's on the mind :stuck_out_tongue:
[12:27 AM] Omega: Good deal
[12:27 AM] Doperland: I just want to ask, why aren't we just filing charges against Funk?
[12:28 AM] Ike: Because the court is broken
[12:28 AM] Doperland: If we have the proof, wouldn't it further our cause?
[12:28 AM] Ike: Problem being, of the three people on the court, two are on Funk's side, despite what the law says
[12:28 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): At least file them
[12:28 AM] Ike: Maybe we should.
[12:28 AM] Ark: Not yet.
[12:28 AM] Ike: Not yet?
[12:28 AM] Ark: We need more.
[12:28 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): It doesn't matter if they'll actually go through
[12:28 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Okay
[12:28 AM] Ark: Even if only a little bit.
[12:29 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Make this article TLG edition 1 please :stuck_out_tongue:
[12:29 AM] Ike: Can I get the Guardian logo again?
[12:29 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Erm, I'm on mobile
[12:29 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Search for it in the chat
[12:30 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): From:somy has:image
Ike pinned a message to this channel. See all the pins.07/19/2017
Ike pinned a message to this channel. See all the pins.07/19/2017
[12:30 AM] Ike: wonderful
[12:33 AM] Doperland: I just want to say, I trust most of you very little, so I would like to request that if we do make a new government, we don't fill it with just people from here.
[12:33 AM] Ike: Understandable, but uh
[12:33 AM] Ike: At this point, most active Lazarenes are in here.
[12:33 AM] Ike: It'd be hard not to.
[12:33 AM] Doperland: True. But, I don't want it to end up repeating what's currently happening.
[12:33 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): A new government should be filled with those who are not just active on the forums.
[12:33 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Agreed.
[12:34 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Fully.
[12:34 AM] Ike: Never. This is about preserving our sovereignty, not cementing defender rule.
[12:34 AM] Omega: Right
[12:34 AM] Doperland: yeah like I told Ike I'll totally kick you all out of power if you try to influence it in favor of different foreign groups
[12:34 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): #Tubbius4Del2k17
[12:34 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): :stuck_out_tongue:
[12:35 AM] Doperland: actually tubbius wouldn't be bad he's pretty great :p
[12:35 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Tubbius is p cool
[12:35 AM] Ike: lel
[12:35 AM] Ike: @Ark you officially part of any family? We're gonna make this as Comey-esque as possible
[12:35 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): He gives me a laugh when the forums make me sad :frowning:
[12:35 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Ark is a Whitehall :stuck_out_tongue:
[12:36 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): He led that family for a while
[12:36 AM] Ike: Ah yes, the family for which that I'm singlehandedly responsible :heart:
[12:40 AM] Omega: When do we bring up Ark in the Discord?
[12:47 AM] Ike:

[12:48 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Lol
[12:48 AM] Omega: Yes
[12:48 AM] Ike: @Somyrion (Aumelodia) Any chance you can make a Guardian logo that looks like the New York Times header?
[12:48 AM] Ike: I want to go all out
[12:49 AM] Omega: This is beautiful.
[12:49 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Hm
[12:49 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Not right noe
[12:49 AM] Omega: Alright I need sleep, be back in 5 hours.
[12:49 AM] Ike: seeya
[12:50 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Just use old English text or whatever if you have a PC :stuck_out_tongue:
[12:50 AM] Ike: In other news, I've gotten everyone's assent for the petition so far, aside from Harm, Amerion, Andrew and Seraph
[12:50 AM] Ike: Everyone else is on board
[12:53 AM] Morozovia: @Atlantica as for the request for the People's Republic of  Wintercrest support, I can say at least maybe Zenny and Piper would help. Though the regional military alone isn't very active due to the congress hold ups. The Internationale won't support either without us coming out as like a new era PRL or something
[12:54 AM] Ike: You talked to TI folks or is that just an assumption?
[12:54 AM] Ark: I like it, lolc
[12:54 AM] Morozovia: It's an assumption based on any regional request
[12:54 AM] Ike: Fair enough
[12:55 AM] Ark: The post about me, that is.
[12:55 AM] Ark: That's was funny
[12:55 AM] Ike: Also, Ark, do you have a red NPO flag I can use?
[12:55 AM] Ike: I have an idea.
[12:55 AM] Ark: Uhhh
[12:55 AM] Ark: Is it something that potentially piss off pergamon?
[12:55 AM] Ark: >.>
[12:55 AM] Ike: Nope, Funk.
[12:55 AM] Ike: It might make Perg squeal with glee.
[12:55 AM] Ark: Oh, hold on then
[12:55 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Lol
[12:56 AM] Ark:

[12:56 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Perg and squealing are not two things I usually associate.
[12:56 AM] Ark: There.
[12:56 AM] Ike: Beautiful, thanks.
[12:57 AM] Ark: Me either, but hey, if anything can get that German to express positive emotion, I'm down.
[1:13 AM] Ike: @Ark
[1:13 AM] Ike: I present your new profile picture
[1:13 AM] Ike:

[1:14 AM] Ark: Looool
[1:14 AM] Ark: Not sure it'll fit in Discord but I'll try it
[1:15 AM] Ark: Not bad
[1:15 AM] Ike: perfect xD
[1:21 AM] Ark: One of my subordinates just asked me if everything is okay :joy:
[1:21 AM] Ike: xD
[1:22 AM] Morozovia: :joy:
[1:22 AM] Amerion: @Ark who?
[1:22 AM] Morozovia: Perfect with Funk dismissal
[1:22 AM] Morozovia: Ark was only doing his job
[1:23 AM] Ark: Not important. He's a Pacifican that I doubt any of you would know :stuck_out_tongue:
[1:23 AM] Morozovia: I'm talking about the relations of the  FBI director
[1:23 AM] Ark: I was talking to Amerion
[1:23 AM] Morozovia: Oh derpp me :yum:
[1:25 AM] Amerion: Ah all g
[1:26 AM] Lenlyvit: :joy: that's great Ike
[1:30 AM] Ark: Agreed.
[1:39 AM] Ike: Harmoneia is still reluctant to sign, but aside from her I've got everyone except Andrew and Seraph
[2:06 AM] harmoneia: I will sign it only after revising it
[2:06 AM] harmoneia: 5. is terrible
[2:07 AM] Ike: Okay, why is it terrible?
[2:08 AM] harmoneia: because Prelates aren't elected
[2:08 AM] Ike: The confirmation of Prelates meets the legal standard of an election
[2:08 AM] Ike: which makes it subject to the laws regarding elections
[2:09 AM] Ike: That's the basis of the argument
[2:09 AM] Ark: Didn't Ike cover the Elected/confirmed definitions earlier in the document?
[2:09 AM] harmoneia: you can argue for that
[2:09 AM] harmoneia: but it's weak
[2:09 AM] Ark: I believe it's illegal either way
[2:09 AM] harmoneia: hold on
[2:09 AM] Ike: Which is why we've also included a section that details how even if it doesn't count as an election, it's still illegal
[2:09 AM] harmoneia: I'll try to revise it
[2:09 AM] Ike: Go ahaed.
[2:12 AM] Amerion: ^^
[2:19 AM] Ike: "I did not import, it's not true, it's bullshit, I did not hit her, I did naaht. Oh hi Mark."
[2:19 AM] Ike: - Funk
[2:19 AM] Ike:

[2:19 AM] Ark: lol
[2:29 AM] Ike: Finished.
[2:29 AM] Ike:

[2:29 AM] Ike: @Ark @Somyrion (Aumelodia) thoughts?
[2:30 AM] Ark: Loooks pretty funny and shitposty
[2:31 AM] Ike: Where should we post it? In the Importation thread? Or give the Guardian a thread of its own?
[2:31 AM] Ark: If we plan to make it a real long-term thing, the latter
[2:31 AM] Ike: Fair enough
[2:35 AM] Ike: Made a TLG account too
[2:36 AM] Ark: Sweet.
[2:36 AM] Ark: Inb4 TLG becomes an actual Lazarene Guardian
[2:37 AM] Ike: lel
[2:37 AM] Ike: It would be ironic if we ended up supplanting the Gazette
[2:37 AM] Ike: When Somy tried to make a new Gazette logo we mocked it because it was just a carbon copy of the Guardian
[2:38 AM] Atlantica: That would be quite funny
[2:38 AM] Ike: @harmoneia how're the revisions coming along?
[2:39 AM] Ark: Although this scenario has disturbing implications for the US government if its really that easy to compare the two :frowning:(edited)
[2:39 AM] Ike: I think it's pretty funny, because it's great fodder for satire
[2:40 AM] Ark: Yes, yes it is.
[2:40 AM] Ark: You're our Shitpost extraordinaire, Ike.
[2:41 AM] Ike: Always have been
[2:41 AM] Ike: Roavin saw it early
[2:41 AM] Ike: Anyone want to publicly affiliate with the paper, or should we keep our staff anonymous for now?
[2:42 AM] Ark: We can keep it casually anonymous for now. IE not overtly trying to hide it nor associate ourselves with it.
[2:42 AM] Ike: Nice
[2:44 AM] Ike: Posted.
[2:44 AM] Ike: https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=418902&p=32168103#p32168103
[2:44 AM] Ark: Sweet.
[2:46 AM] Ark: One mistake I think
[2:46 AM] Ike: Hm?
[2:46 AM] Ark: Deputy Convenor the13th
[2:46 AM] Ark: He's not Convenor
[2:46 AM] Ark: Svez is
[2:46 AM] Ark: Unless I missed something, lol
[2:47 AM] Ike: Amended
[2:47 AM] Ark: :thumbsup:
[2:47 AM] Ike: Cut out the13th for Svez
[2:47 AM] Ark: Cool cool
[2:48 AM] Ike: I hope Roavin approves :stuck_out_tongue:
[2:48 AM] Ark: I can't see why he wouldn't.
[2:48 AM] Ark: It's a Tim-level shitpost.
[2:48 AM] Ike: gotta make papa shitpost proud
[2:48 AM] Ark: Yep
[2:48 AM] Ike: Also the title is some great alliteration
[2:49 AM] Ark: Yes, yes it is.
[2:49 AM] Ike:

[2:49 AM] Ike: SUCCESS
[2:49 AM] Ark: Kek
[2:50 AM] Ark: I just PMd it to him too
[2:50 AM] harmoneia: okay I finished reading the entire document and it seems everything was pretty much covered. But I'm still hesitant about triggering an entire circus out of arguments that have no concrete bases. >_>
[2:50 AM] Ike: The concrete basis is in the law
[2:51 AM] Ike: I understand your hesitance, but legally we're in the right and we stand a lot to gain with this
[2:51 AM] Ike: By concisely pointing out the specific violations of the law committed, our refusal to recognize KK's judicial authority is validated
[2:51 AM] Ark: And it's sketching we've already brought up. We can't exactly back down on our driving point, even if it could use some bolstering (which I am working on as well)
[2:51 AM] Ike: trust me harm, we're all working our asses off to get as solid a platform as we can for our case
[2:52 AM] Ark: I'm using every contact I have to investigate the crimes. Might only be admissible in the court of public opinion, but that may be all we need.(edited)
[2:54 AM] Ike: Of course Constie was the first to respond.
[2:54 AM] Ike: @harmoneia In spite of your understandable concern, can we count on your signature at this point?
[3:05 AM] Ike: Alright, I'm done sizzling tonight.
[3:05 AM] Ike: Productive day, folks
[3:05 AM] Ike: Look forward to what the future brings
[3:15 AM] Ike: But before I go, I got Seraph to sign, which means only Andrew and harm are left
[3:49 AM] harmoneia: @Ike add something about Ark's dismissal, and how this action is part of a string of actions that is reminiscent of Stujenske who we once backed him against.
[3:49 AM] harmoneia: I am signing it.
[3:49 AM] Amerion: Yay
[3:51 AM] Ike: I like the idea. I'll add it tomorrow, thank you very much!
[3:51 AM] Ike: Only Andrew is left to sign now
[3:52 AM] Amerion: @Andrew
[3:52 AM] Ike: Just got his consent
[3:53 AM] Ike: 19 signatures, ready to go. We'll post it tomorrow. Immensely proud of y'all
[3:53 AM] Andrew: yes
[3:54 AM] Ike: Very happy with this. Night all
[6:18 AM] Morozovia: Alrighty... I've talked to Zenny-Piper, and as said the WRA is in short number but maybe after my talk with TI about The Red Fleet, ZP may help too.
[6:20 AM] Morozovia: I'm only asking assistance via if a coup occurs. So anything short and I'm sure they wouldn't risk or bother trying to get involved on a internal issue
[8:47 AM] Ike: Nice nice
[8:51 AM] Omega: I love stitposts. If only I could do them, but I seem content with my editorial style.
[10:02 AM] Ark: Your editorial style is just as useful as a shitpost, don't worry.
[10:05 AM] Ike: ^^
[10:05 AM] Ike: All it takes is wit
[10:06 AM] Ark: Anything that provokes a strong reaction is good. But we want strong reactions from the right people.
[10:27 AM] Omega: So when Funk does name a new AoFA will we vote against?
[10:28 AM] Ike: Depends who it is
[10:28 AM] Ike: But the answer is probably
[10:29 AM] Omega: Okay sounds good
[10:34 AM] Omega:

[10:40 AM] Omega: @Ike can we make the TLG articles dispatches posted in the RMB?
[10:41 AM] Curious Observations: Nicely done.
[10:41 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Agreed, Omega.
[10:41 AM] Ike: Thanks based Jon Stewart
[10:41 AM] Curious Observations: I would suggest that the candidate for Sovereign is somebody well known amongst long-time Lazarenes.
[10:41 AM] Ike: And yes, good idea
[10:42 AM] Ike: @Curious Observations I believe we've found that in Somyrion
[10:42 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I'm trying to get more involved gameside but that doesn't make me anymore well-known around oldies :stuck_out_tongue:
[10:43 AM] Ike: If we wanted pure name recognition it would be me, but you're not at all controversial
[10:43 AM] Ike: That's a huge plus and it's why we need you
[10:44 AM] Ike: If someone like me or Ark ran, it would be easy to point at it as some kind of nepotism or selfish ploy
[10:44 AM] Omega: I think that Jon Stewart quote should be our new motto.
[10:44 AM] Ike: Among others
[10:44 AM] Ike: I quite like "Veritas Vincit"
[10:44 AM] Ike: The truth prevails.
[10:45 AM] Curious Observations: There is value in considering Harmoneia as well in terms of name recognition. I don't know whether or not that would be a better option, but I do feel I must vocalize that concern.
[10:46 AM] Ike: A fine choice, and a fantastic delegate on multiple occasions, however
[10:46 AM] Ike: I don't feel she's active enough to keep the position, and if I'm not wrong, she doesn't really have any desire to change that
[10:47 AM] Ike: Of course I'd welcome her if she wanted to, but it seems like she's content with the state of things
[10:47 AM] Omega: We need to send that out as a dispatch ASAP though
[10:47 AM] Omega: Let's focus on the now
[10:47 AM] Ike: Give it a few hours, I'm caught up in bureaucracy right now
[10:47 AM] Ike: Passport office. Like the DMV but worse
[10:47 AM] Ike: I'll get the dispatch out when I'm on a PC
[10:48 AM] Omega: Okay sounds good
[11:03 AM] Amerion: @Ike do you want stamps? I don't think you have RO authority to send out tgs
[11:06 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): @Ike " Other prominent critics in government include Prelate Omega, Convenor Svezjacael, and Defender of the Realm (Vice Delegate) Doperland."
[11:06 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): wasn't svez doing the neutral thing?
[11:06 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): or did that change
[11:06 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): @Amerion I have communications power, I'm planning to send out some TGs(edited)
[11:07 AM] Amerion: @Somyrion (Aumelodia) um, like what kind?
[11:08 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I was thinking a regional TG just telling people to think about getting citizenship and explaining the situation (not too much bias)
[11:09 AM] Amerion: Best let one of us handle that. Funk might use that as an excuse to impeach your character
[11:09 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): hm
[11:10 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I can just send out one about getting citizenship (I post that on the RMB all the time), which Funk can't claim anything about
[11:10 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): one of you can do a follow-up with the situation
[11:10 AM] Amerion: True
[11:11 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): TLG should definitely send out a mass TG to the region though :p
[11:12 AM] Amerion: I'll send it 5000 tmw when I get the chance
[11:13 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Amerion has the vast reserves of money
[11:14 AM] Ike: Now that you mentioned it, I don't remember if Svez signed or not
[11:14 AM] Amerion: @Ike u control TLG yrh?
[11:14 AM] Ike: Ye
[11:20 AM] Amerion: @Amerion TLG has the stamps now
[11:20 AM] Amerion: Make it a nice tg :grinning:
[11:20 AM] Ike: Well then!
[11:33 AM] Amerion: Just got this interesting tg from Pier..
[11:33 AM] Amerion:

[11:34 AM] Omega: Yay?
[11:34 AM] Ark: If Ivan himself is actually willing to TG you, I suggest you hear him out. :stuck_out_tongue:
[11:34 AM] Ark: No one knows the ins and outs of NS better than him, tbh.(edited)
[11:34 AM] Amerion: @Ark I will :slight_smile:
[11:34 AM] Amerion: I'm off to bed. Night y'all:grinning:
[11:35 AM] Omega: Night
[11:36 AM] Ark: Night.
[12:12 PM] Lenlyvit: @Ike to answer your question fully from yesterday, I'm the second in command of the LCA under Som
[12:12 PM] Ike: I'll list you as Paladin?
[12:13 PM] Lenlyvit: Knight Commandant is technically my rank(edited)
[12:14 PM] Lenlyvit: While Som is the Grand Commandant
[12:19 PM] Ike: @Ark Can you make sure Svez is good with being listed on the petition?
[12:19 PM] Ike: I included him automatically but I can't remember if he gave consent or not
[12:43 PM] Ike: New paragraph to the petition
[12:43 PM] Ike: @harmoneia
[12:43 PM] Ike: "Furthermore, we note the recent dismissal of United Arkadia as Archbishop of Foreign Affairs to be of great concern, and troubling in a time of crisis for the region. We denounce this action, as the latest in a string of underhanded moves on the part of the Sovereign, clearly aimed at consolidating his power, further undermining the principles that we strive to preserve for our region. The recent actions of the Sovereign ring dangerously close to those of Stujenske, against whom we backed the current Sovereign in our efforts to restore democracy and sovereignty to Lazarus. We conclude that in this time of strife, our sovereignty and way of life has once again come under threat, and we both re-affirm the points outlined in this declaration as well as our intent to uphold the Celestial Mandate, and protect the laws of the Celestial Union."
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[12:46 PM] Omega: The petition should be put in GP and in a dispatch as well as on the forum(edited)
[12:46 PM] Ike: It will
[12:46 PM] Ike: I just need Svez
[12:51 PM] Ike: https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=856236
[12:51 PM] Ike: Dispatched.
[12:51 PM] Omega: I met the petition
[12:51 PM] Ike: I know I know
[12:51 PM] Ike: But we talked earlier about getting the article dispatched too
[12:54 PM] Omega: Yes we did and I already upvoted it
[12:54 PM] Ike: :heart:
[12:54 PM] Ike: @here https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=856236 upvotes pls
[12:55 PM] Ark: @Svezjacael
[12:55 PM] Ike: He doesn't seem to be online
[12:56 PM] Ark: Just leaving a ping for when he is.
[12:58 PM] Ike: @Amerion What should I be doing with these stamps?
[2:17 PM] Ark: @here SitRep: how far along are we on our respective projects?
[2:17 PM] Ike: Petition signed by everyone except Svez, article published and dispatched, 5000 stamps in the arsenal
[2:20 PM] Ike: If we can't get him online and signed by tonight, I'll publish it in the evening without his signature, but I'd prefer that we get him on board
[2:30 PM] Ark: Ok.
[2:32 PM] Omega: I'm still talking with TSP, and reaping us in GP.
[2:33 PM] Ike: Reaping?
[2:33 PM] Omega: Reping
[2:33 PM] Ike: Repping
[3:10 PM] Omega: Well I tried
[3:10 PM] Ike: Quick note, we're going to have to own up to Amerion's actions here
[3:10 PM] Ike: While he's committed no crime, and we should make that clear too
[3:10 PM] Omega: I know.
[3:10 PM] Ike: It's important for our image and our basic principles that we acknowledge his attempt to grab outsiders to vote in Lazarus was a mistake
[3:21 PM] Ike: @Lenlyvit Do you know if Capercom is active at all?
[3:22 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): He has a broken finger or something :stuck_out_tongue:(edited)
[3:40 PM] Lenlyvit: I have no clue right now, sorry Ike
[5:15 PM] Ike: Damn it Svez, get online
[7:54 PM] Ike: Fuck's sake, Svez got online and asked for the link, then disappeared again
[7:54 PM] Ike: That boi I swear
[8:05 PM] Lenlyvit: RIP
[8:34 PM] Ike: SUCCESS!
[8:34 PM] Ike: We have all the signatures
[8:34 PM] Ike: @Ark wake up bitch
[8:34 PM] Ike: We're gonna post it
[8:34 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Svezjacael - Today at 8:33 PM
Alright, I'm headed home now
[8:34 PM] Amerion: @Ike use the stamps for tgs
[8:34 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): HE RESPONDED
[8:34 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): oh... you got to it before me
[8:34 PM] Ike: :heart:
[8:35 PM] Ike: @Amerion What should I put in the TGs and to whom?
[8:35 PM] Amerion: Send a regional tg
[8:35 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I'll wait on the citizenship TG until a bit after you've done yours
[8:35 PM] Amerion: @Somyrion (Aumelodia) can help you write it. He's good at those stuff
[8:35 PM] Ike: coolio
[8:35 PM] Ike: @Somyrion (Aumelodia) Get writing so we have it prepared
[8:35 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): what are we writing on?
[8:36 PM] Ike: The citizenship TG right
[8:36 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): oh
[8:36 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): that's p simple
[8:36 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): just "make sure to get citizenship here"
[8:37 PM] Ike: How does "Proclamation to the Sovereign on behalf of the citizens dedicated to the preservation of the Union" sound?
[8:37 PM] Ike: Nice and fancy
[8:38 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): yes
[8:38 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I like it
[8:38 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): need a header and stuff?
[8:38 PM] Ike: Nah, some flat out bold text will do
[8:38 PM] Ike: Cosmic Council work, or?
[8:39 PM] Ike: Unless you think the CB posting it in the Cathedral might make it more legit?
[8:39 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): private chambers
[8:39 PM] Ike: ye
[8:39 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): or.... sovereign's chambers
[8:39 PM] Ike: OoOo
[8:39 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): yeah
[8:39 PM] Ike: Let's do it lads
[8:41 PM] Ike: Somy, you think it might be a good idea for you to post it? As our future Delegate candidate and the Celestial Being, it might look more... y'know
[8:41 PM] Ike: legit
[8:41 PM] Amerion: ^
[8:41 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): mhm
[8:41 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): okay
[8:41 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): send the text me way
[8:41 PM] Ike: "Proclamation to the Sovereign from the citizens dedicated to the preservation of the Union"
[8:41 PM] Amerion: Wait
[8:41 PM] Ike: hm?
[8:41 PM] Amerion: No. Let's not. Aume needs to be unimpeachable when he runs
[8:42 PM] Ike: Eh?
[8:42 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I must be pure :no_mouth:
[8:42 PM] Amerion: ^
[8:42 PM] Ike: Aight, I'll do the dirty work
[8:42 PM] Ike: Sovereign's Palace, here we go
[8:43 PM] Amerion: It's fine. I also don't want all their heat being launched your way. I can do it if ya want
[8:43 PM] Ike: No, it's good if it goes my way
[8:43 PM] Ike: I take most of the flak for this, it's good because it shields the rest of you
[8:43 PM] Ike: my reputationin their eyes can't sink any lower, I'm like untouchable at this point :stuck_out_tongue:
[8:43 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Amerion needs to go sleep in a freezer and let himself cool off
[8:43 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): lol
[8:44 PM] Ike: sizzling
[8:44 PM] Amerion: Ya, I'm torched :frowning2: :joy:
[8:44 PM] Ike: Amerion, you were Delegate once, right?
[8:44 PM] Amerion: Ya
[8:44 PM] Ike: right
[8:44 PM] Ike: And so was Andrew
[8:44 PM] Ike: Right, all the details are good
[8:47 PM] Ike: Done.
[8:47 PM] Ike: @all
[8:47 PM] Ike: @here Take a look
[8:47 PM] Ike: http://s15.zetaboards.com/NSLazarus/topic/10255687/1/
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[8:49 PM] Lenlyvit: Can I post that in the Ctizens square??
[8:50 PM] Lenlyvit: Lolol
[8:50 PM] Ike: Of course!
[8:50 PM] Ike: Preach!
[8:50 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): wait
[8:50 PM] Ike: Tag the citizenry while you're at it
[8:50 PM] Ike: Hm?
[8:50 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): one sec
[8:50 PM] Ike: What is it?
[8:50 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): is griffindor a citizen?
[8:51 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): oh yes
[8:51 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): nvm
[8:51 PM] Ike: wew
[8:51 PM] Ike: made me panic there
[8:51 PM] Ike: fairly sure he is
[8:51 PM] Ike: @Lenlyvit Get to it lad
[8:51 PM] Lenlyvit: Already did :p
[8:51 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): @Ike you should call me Aumelodia, not Som ;p
[8:52 PM] Ike: good good
[8:52 PM] Ike: Wellll
[8:52 PM] Ike: That should clear up any confusion
[8:52 PM] Ike: Done and done @Somyrion (Aumelodia)
[8:53 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): thankee kindly
[8:53 PM] thechurchofsatan: I was a guardian at one time as well as Grandee Secretary (vice delegate...twice)(edited)
[8:54 PM] Ike: Duly noted!
[8:57 PM] thechurchofsatan: Wait...Griff supports us?
[8:58 PM] Ark: Griff as in NK?
[8:58 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): griffindor13 from TSP :stuck_out_tongue:
[8:58 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): different person
[8:58 PM] Ark: Ah.
[8:58 PM] Ike: ^
[8:58 PM] thechurchofsatan: Ah, almost blew my mind there, heh.
[8:59 PM] Ike: I'm pleased to announce that Vapid has seen our side of things.
[8:59 PM] Ike: He's agreed to sign, after asking continuously for evidence of Funk's wrongdoing
[8:59 PM] Ike: I ask that you all trust him, because although he is a raider, we've got history. I know he's good.
[9:00 PM] Ark: If you trust him, I trust you.
[9:00 PM] thechurchofsatan: Not all that familiar with the greener players these days. :stuck_out_tongue:
[9:00 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): vapid is cool
[9:00 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I hope he'll understand
[9:02 PM] Ark: I wouldn't say vapid is a greener player.
[9:02 PM] Ike: Not at all
[9:02 PM] Ark: At least no greener than I am. :stuck_out_tongue:
[9:02 PM] Ike: He's new in the sense of having arrived in the last two years
[9:02 PM] Ike: Jesus christ, I feel old now
[9:03 PM] Ark: I don't judge based on actually Gameplay time tbh.
[9:03 PM] Ike: I've been on NS for over four years now, but it's still had to shake the feeling of being new
[9:03 PM] Amerion: Lol I felt old when Aume came to Laz
[9:03 PM] Ark: A newer player who's done his homework can be just as valuable as the average old fart.
[9:05 PM] thechurchofsatan: Well we have our token raider now, lol.
[9:05 PM] Ike: heh
[9:05 PM] Ike: Vapid is a former native of Laz, if my memory serves
[9:05 PM] Vapid: lies
[9:05 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): heyo @Vapid :smile:
[9:05 PM] Vapid: I never joined
[9:05 PM] Ike: you're fake news
[9:05 PM] Ike: My memory is right, yeah? You've been here before?
[9:05 PM] Ike: Not just Grand Central?
[9:05 PM] Vapid: nope
[9:05 PM] Vapid: I've been in TSP
[9:06 PM] Ike: ah well shit
[9:06 PM] thechurchofsatan: I think he's a high quality person...
[9:06 PM] Vapid: I am a raiderman
[9:06 PM] Ike: You're not a votebot, and that's what counts.
[9:06 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Ike has bad memory :/
[9:06 PM] Ike: >_>
[9:06 PM] Vapid: the token minority
[9:06 PM] Vapid: rock on
[9:06 PM] Vapid: my favorite CAH card
[9:06 PM] thechurchofsatan: If anyone here has a bad memory it's me.
[9:07 PM] Vapid: what?
[9:07 PM] Vapid: where am i
[9:07 PM] Ark: lol
[9:07 PM] Vapid: what's noah's ark doing here?
[9:07 PM] Amerion: @Vapid olla!
[9:07 PM] Vapid: hola
[9:08 PM] Vapid: this has been...a day
[9:08 PM] Ike: Indeed :stuck_out_tongue:
[9:08 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): every day is.... a day... in Lazarus
[9:08 PM] thechurchofsatan: Probably notifying us that it picked up a few snakes Lazarene government officials before the flood.
[9:09 PM] Ark: Lmao
[9:09 PM] thechurchofsatan: Paperwork is important even on a biblical boat.
[9:09 PM] Vapid: tom probably bargained that I'd be on Funk's side when he got me to join
[9:09 PM] Vapid: unfortunately, I rarely act for my own gain
[9:10 PM] Ike: :heart:
[9:10 PM] Ike: It's been too long since we've worked together
[9:10 PM] Ike: A year ago today, Vapid served under me as Grand Central's foreign affairs Minister
[9:10 PM] Ike: Those were the days :stuck_out_tongue:
[9:10 PM] Vapid: they were days
[9:10 PM] Vapid: not the days
[9:10 PM] Vapid: dear fucking god
[9:10 PM] Ike: Fair enough
[9:10 PM] Ike: It was chaos
[9:10 PM] Vapid: 94 block
[9:10 PM] Amerion: Oh, I remember GC. That was a diplomatic hoopla
[9:10 PM] Ike: Full of drama at every corner
[9:10 PM] Amerion: ^
[9:10 PM] Vapid: I was trying to repair policy while block was destroying it
[9:11 PM] Ike: Block destroyed our region
[9:11 PM] thechurchofsatan: Not sure you and I ever had a chance to work together during the PRL did we Ike?
[9:11 PM] Vapid: I spent 3 days PMing people in equinox trying to convince them to give us a chance
[9:11 PM] Ike: Ah, did we?
[9:11 PM] Ike: You may have worked with me when I was Governor of Information
[9:11 PM] Ike: Yes, Block was extremely toxic and his actions crossed the line into genuine criminal harassment
[9:11 PM] Ike: He more or less singlehandedly destroyed our region
[9:12 PM] Vapid: not necessarily
[9:12 PM] Vapid: Feuer Ritter played a minor role
[9:12 PM] Vapid: and so did Don
[9:12 PM] Ike: True
[9:12 PM] Ike: Don, jesus
[9:12 PM] Ike: Slimy.
[9:12 PM] Ike: As if the first debacle wasn't bad enough
[9:13 PM] Vapid: At any rate
[9:13 PM] Vapid: I have my first avatar on rn
[9:14 PM] Ike: Ringo!
[9:14 PM] Vapid: It was highway to hell before ringo :stuck_out_tongue:
[9:15 PM] Vapid: I got this one back on because grey and I were having a nostalgia episode in hydra
[9:15 PM] Vapid: because PT huo came back
[9:15 PM] Ike: yes indeed
[9:15 PM] Vapid: He shouldn't have left(edited)
[9:15 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): pt huo.... I vaguely remember him
[9:16 PM] Ark: Has anyone stopped to look at the group we have here?
[9:16 PM] Ark: I mean
[9:16 PM] Ark: Not in a bad way
[9:16 PM] Vapid: fucking massive
[9:16 PM] Ike: 21 people
[9:16 PM] Ike: 20 citizens of Lazarus
[9:16 PM] Ike: Plus gossip girl
[9:16 PM] Ark: Just look at how different we all are.
[9:16 PM] Ike: This is quite the assembly
[9:16 PM] Ark: And yet United under one cause.
[9:16 PM] Vapid: cheddar jack cheese?
[9:16 PM] Ark: Hell, you have NPOers protecting Lazarene Sovereignty.(edited)
[9:16 PM] Vapid: topkek
[9:17 PM] Ark: It's just crazy to think about sometimes.
[9:17 PM] Ike: Francoists, Raiders, Defenders, Commies
[9:17 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Vapid is... who in the Trump allegory?
[9:17 PM] Ike: We've got everyone short of the purist bloc, and we don't want them
[9:17 PM] Ike: Uh, Vapid is Sally Yates
[9:17 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): xD
[9:17 PM] Ike: Brought on during the administration I think, then turns against it in the name of democracy
[9:17 PM] Vapid: I like to think of myself as Justin Amash
[9:17 PM] Vapid: same party
[9:17 PM] Ike: HA
[9:18 PM] Vapid: hates everyone in government
[9:18 PM] Ark: I'm totally not James Comey
[9:18 PM] Ike: On that note, let's all give our best wishes to John "Take that you chink bastard" McCain
[9:18 PM] Ike: Who was diagnosed with brain cancer today
[9:18 PM] Amerion: Lol  @Ark
[9:18 PM] Vapid: That's unfortunate
[9:18 PM] Vapid: +f
[9:18 PM] Amerion: Was gutted to hear about that
[9:18 PM] Ark: Don't be.
[9:18 PM] Vapid: Also, think about this
[9:19 PM] Vapid: this man probably would have been our president had obama not been elected
[9:19 PM] Vapid: Like
[9:19 PM] Ike: Well
[9:19 PM] Vapid: the tumor might have metastasized had he been under more stress
[9:19 PM] Ike: Ahh
[9:19 PM] Ike: Thanks, Obama.
[9:19 PM] thechurchofsatan: When the NPO says corruption is happening you better fucking believe it, heh. Pretty wild.
[9:19 PM] Ark: Look at it this way (as someone I was talking to in private earlier told me): i started out as a prominent voice for Lazarene freedom. Now I'm a prominent martyr for Lazarene freedom.
[9:19 PM] Ark: Agreed, CoS
[9:19 PM] Ike: lel
[9:19 PM] Ark: Though to be fair we've never been particularly corrupt.
[9:19 PM] Ike: Don't let it get to your head, Mr. Messiah
[9:20 PM] Vapid: You're not corrupt
[9:20 PM] Vapid: Just authoritarian
[9:20 PM] Vapid: there's a difference(edited)
[9:20 PM] thechurchofsatan: Well, not you specifically Ark.
[9:20 PM] Ark: Such is life when the entire law code of the region fits in a Discord message. :wink:
[9:20 PM] Vapid: Russia is both, america is only one of the two
[9:20 PM] Ike: The NPO mixes elements of the USSR, Nazi Germany, and red China into a big mish mash of authoritarian efficiency
[9:20 PM] Ike: While leaving out most of the bad parts about all three
[9:20 PM] Vapid: I'd compare it more to rome, really
[9:20 PM] Ike: Maybe so
[9:21 PM] Vapid: I'd like to remind you that the USSR and Germany both got ideas from Julius Caesar
[9:21 PM] Ark: Nazi germany? >>
[9:21 PM] Ark: I can see the USSR
[9:21 PM] Ark: and maybe China
[9:21 PM] Ark: But not Germany
[9:21 PM] thechurchofsatan: Can't deny that the NPO has done some underhanded stuff over the years so when it comes to suspicious activity they know what they're talking about.
[9:21 PM] Vapid: Yes, Germany
[9:22 PM] Ark: True, CoS
[9:22 PM] Vapid: Like, not the kill jews part
[9:22 PM] Ike: Germany. Production efficiency, demagogic propaganda
[9:22 PM] Ike: An iron will
[9:22 PM] Vapid: The colonialism idea was very much present in the past
[9:22 PM] Ike: And lebensraum
[9:22 PM] Vapid: In Pacifica
[9:22 PM] Ark: But when we are on the side of the greater good, we fight like demons.
[9:22 PM] Ike: Yeah
[9:22 PM] Ike: But when you aren't
[9:22 PM] Ike: You just piss everyone off
[9:22 PM] Ike: Maybe more like America in that respect
[9:22 PM] Vapid: Which is hilarious btw
[9:22 PM] Ark: That's how we roll, for better or for worse.(edited)
[9:23 PM] Ike: What'd be a good picture for the Guardian article on the petition?
[9:23 PM] Ike: We're bringing this to GP
[9:24 PM] Ark: Not sure.
[9:24 PM] thechurchofsatan: Gimme a sec to brainstorm and google. :stuck_out_tongue:
[9:24 PM] Ike: ayyo
[9:24 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): some old painting of 17th century people signing something
[9:24 PM] Ike: Good idea
[9:24 PM] Ark: Also I don't know if it was you or Fratt, @thechurchofsatan, but I do want to extend my informal thanks for re establishing embassies with the Pacific.
[9:25 PM] thechurchofsatan: Well fratt and I talked about it.
[9:25 PM] Ark: It was an unexpected move to reach out to us, but I'm glad you made it.
[9:25 PM] Ark: Ah
[9:25 PM] thechurchofsatan: I figure after two years the least we could do was re-establish embassies.(edited)
[9:26 PM] Ark: Yeah. I've been saying for a while now that we aren't the same org that caused NLO.
[9:26 PM] Ark: Hopefully this is a step to proving that.
[9:26 PM] thechurchofsatan: Honestly not an easy decision for me under the circumstances.
[9:27 PM] Ark: I respect that.
[9:27 PM] Vapid: Alright, so, gameplan if SHTF?
[9:27 PM] Ark: If funk coups, you mean?
[9:27 PM] Ike: We've made a couple of contingencies
[9:27 PM] Ark: That's actually the best-case scenario at this point.
[9:28 PM] Vapid: agreed :stuck_out_tongue:
[9:28 PM] Ark: Means we can bring our full forces to bare on Lazarus. And Pier's Telegram would suggest Pacifican pilers are on the table now as well.
[9:28 PM] Vapid: But what to do in the aftermath? Ban LWU?
[9:28 PM] Ike: Ivan's a cunt, but a useful one
[9:28 PM] Ike: Well
[9:28 PM] Ike: Who leads LWU? Scardino?
[9:28 PM] Ike: Evil Wolf?(edited)
[9:28 PM] Vapid: Evil Wolf, technically
[9:29 PM] Ark: Let the non-imported citizens vote on it.
[9:29 PM] Ike: Yeah
[9:29 PM] Ike: I'm hesitant to proscribe any organizations straight away, but if LWU leadership was involved, they're as good as the NPO in 2015
[9:29 PM] Ark: The amount of mercy given to Funk and friends will be chosen democratically :stuck_out_tongue:
[9:30 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): assuming this actually works
[9:30 PM] Ark: Though I can tell you my vote will be to ban the people responsible that are in the government, but not proscribe the whole org.
[9:30 PM] Ark: So banning Funk, EW, and Lamb would be ideal
[9:30 PM] Ike: As well as any knowingly complicit votebots
[9:31 PM] Ark: Well
[9:31 PM] Ark: I'm not sure about that. Maybe
[9:31 PM] Ike: I think we'll see when it's all over, the degree to which it's all been corrupted
[9:31 PM] thechurchofsatan: They deserve a trial just as the GoF did.
[9:31 PM] Ark: They won't have anyone to complacently vote for if we ban the head of the snake :stuck_out_tongue:
[9:31 PM] Ark: Fair
[9:32 PM] thechurchofsatan: As for that pic for the petition: https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/DDA7/production/_85134765_85134764.jpg

[9:32 PM] Ike: I think I'll use this one: https://s3.amazonaws.com/s3.timetoast.com/public/uploads/photos/5047013/HultonArchiveTennisCourtOath.jpg?1476658239

[9:32 PM] Ike: lol CoS
[9:32 PM] Vapid: you can make a religion out of this
[9:32 PM] Vapid: no
[9:32 PM] Vapid: don't
[9:32 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): yes
[9:32 PM] thechurchofsatan: The leaders of North and South Korea shaking hands seems a good comparison.
[9:32 PM] Ark: But yeah, we all agree that the banning should be done temporarily.
[9:33 PM] Ark: *Democratically
[9:33 PM] Ike: japan should take the islands
[9:33 PM] Ark: Sorry
[9:33 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): (re the painting)
[9:33 PM] Ike:

[9:33 PM] Ark: lol
[9:33 PM] Ike: Democratically, yes
[9:33 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): let's not get ahead of ourselves
[9:33 PM] Vapid: The best case scenario, imho, is that Funk reconciles and admits his error
[9:33 PM] Vapid: Let's all hope for that
[9:34 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): that would be best
[9:34 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): but very unlikely
[9:34 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): knowing funk
[9:34 PM] Vapid: We should be ruthless but willing to salvage unity
[9:34 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Agreed
[9:34 PM] thechurchofsatan: I don't think Funk would coup.
[9:34 PM] Ike:

[9:34 PM] Atlantica: II would strongly support doing what was initially proposed by Adytus during Osiran debates on the PRO law; proscribing certain organizations (such as the LWU), but allowing the Guardians (or a different organization, if we're so inclined) to selectively permit certain individuals to join proscribed organizations if we know that they can be trusted (Someone like Vapid, for example, may participate in organizations that could potentially be proscribed due to their potential shadyness in serving as recruitment centers for votebots for the LWU agenda, but he's proven that he's loyal to Lazarus and its people today)
[9:35 PM] Ike: I like that idea. We can certainly discuss it in the legislature when the time comes
[9:35 PM] Ark: Mhm.
[9:36 PM] Pherttsylvania: I don't know what everyone else's take on this is, but if it seems Funk won't give it up we can focus on his apparent disinterest in resolving literally any of the issues happening at the moment. Hell, I'd be willing to push the angle that Lamb is doing more for the region and frame the whole thing on the fact that Funk just doesn't care anymore.
[9:37 PM] Ark: Meh
[9:37 PM] Vapid: then why is he delegate?
[9:37 PM] Pherttsylvania: Why is he still?
[9:37 PM] Ark: Because he was the best option at the time...
[9:37 PM] thechurchofsatan: Best case scenario he backs out and takes a slap on the wrist so he can still run for government positions in the future. Despite his actions he does still care about the region in his own messed up way.
[9:37 PM] Ark: Or so we thought.
[9:37 PM] Ark: Hell, he had me convinced at the beginning.
[9:37 PM] Ark: :confused:
[9:37 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): me too :/
[9:38 PM] Vapid: The lazarenes are a strong willed people :stuck_out_tongue:
[9:38 PM] Ark: We are now.
[9:38 PM] Lenlyvit: That's right
[9:38 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Can we please take this one step at a time? We can't take all this for granted and though it's much easier to plan for the future it's important to make sure we get through it now
[9:38 PM] Ike: ^
[9:38 PM] Vapid: There are a million ways this could go
[9:38 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): who's up for some more writing
[9:38 PM] Vapid: Let's wait until Funk responds
[9:38 PM] thechurchofsatan: True. We need to focus on the present.
[9:38 PM] Pherttsylvania: yes
[9:39 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): also
[9:39 PM] Ark: We are just making contingencies, but agreed. I think we have already made all the contingencies we need and then some.
[9:39 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): overdo them in activity
[9:39 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Lamb has been gone for a couple days
[9:39 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): make it clear we're generating activity for the reigon
[9:39 PM] Pherttsylvania: I think we're already gearing up well that way
[9:39 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): gameside too
[9:39 PM] Ark: Someone jump in and start doing his job for him :wink:
[9:39 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): not just in the council
[9:39 PM] Pherttsylvania: I want to get in on the NS forum threads about things too
[9:39 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): @Atlantica can we introduce the RP stuff without him?
[9:40 PM] Ark: Yes.
[9:40 PM] thechurchofsatan: Well we have a competing publication in Lazarus and The Gazette is dead. I say we overshadow it.
[9:40 PM] Vapid: If not, do it anyways, just unofficially.
[9:40 PM] Ark: RP isn't under his purview.
[9:40 PM] Ark: It's under @Atlantica
[9:40 PM] Ark: Which means Atl can roll it out whenever the hell he wants.
[9:40 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I know, but he was acting like he was in charge of it
[9:41 PM] Ark: He did the same thing with FA.
[9:41 PM] Ark: Funk gave him free reign to order other departments around :stuck_out_tongue:
[9:43 PM] Atlantica: I actually did have a couple of productive conversations with Lamb and Funk regarding RP and they both (especially Lamb) presented good ideas and were helpful at the time, but I can try to do some worldbuilding and start a roleplay without working with Lamb and Funk.
[9:43 PM] Ark: Do it.
[9:43 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Okay
[9:45 PM] Vapid:

[9:46 PM] Amerion: Haha lol
[9:46 PM] thechurchofsatan: Gonna get some sleep. Been up for 12 hours now.
[9:47 PM] Amerion: Night  @thechurchofsatan:blush:
[9:47 PM] Ike: lel
[9:49 PM] Ike: https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=418902&p=32173437#p32173437
[9:50 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): this is the logo :stuck_out_tongue:

[9:50 PM] Ike: Ahhh
[9:50 PM] Ike: Will fix
[9:53 PM] Ark: Can't wait to hear some more ridicule from people I don't like :stuck_out_tongue:
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[9:53 PM] Ike: @here https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=856462 << upvote mates
[9:53 PM] Ark: Done.
[9:54 PM] Ike: wonderful
[9:54 PM] Thatcher: Could you use the nation tags for the nations at the bottom?
[9:54 PM] Ark: That might take a while, lol
[9:54 PM] Ike: I would, but it's a pain collecting some people's nations, which are different than their names in Lazarus sometimes
[9:54 PM] Ark: Yeah.
[9:55 PM] Ark: Not sure it's really necessary, either.
[9:55 PM] Thatcher: Okay
[9:55 PM] Thatcher: I can do it if you want. Oh well
[9:55 PM] Ike: If you want to, feel free and I'll edit it in
[9:55 PM] Thatcher: Sounds good
[9:57 PM] Ike: The Guardian issue hit 12 upvotes
[9:57 PM] Ike: Proud of y'all
[9:57 PM] Ark: Sweet.
[9:57 PM] Vapid: someone get upvote legions on this :stuck_out_tongue:
[9:58 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): upboat squad
[9:58 PM] Amerion: Like TNP :)
[9:58 PM] Thatcher: Can I do an @ everyone asking for nation names, or no? I only need like 5(edited)
[10:00 PM] thechurchofsatan: turns over
Lazarus CoS
turns back and starts snoring
[10:00 PM] Vapid: Native
[10:00 PM] Ike: :heart:
[10:01 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Aumelodia
[10:01 PM] Thatcher: @Ike I need the following names: Andrew, Omega, Seraph, Griffindor, and Vapid.
[10:01 PM] Ike: Vapid is Native
[10:01 PM] Ike: Andrew I think is San Andrewa
[10:01 PM] Ike: Not sure about the rest
[10:01 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): San Andrewa
[10:02 PM] thechurchofsatan: Check their profiles on the forum.
[10:02 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): United Federated States of Omega
[10:02 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Terephah
[10:02 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): not sure about grif
[10:02 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Native
[10:03 PM] Thatcher: Who did you guys say Vapid was again?
[10:03 PM] Vapid: Native
[10:03 PM] Ike: Native
[10:04 PM] Thatcher: Nation name though.
[10:04 PM] Ike: Yep
[10:04 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): there we go, now Vapid = Gibraltarica checks out
[10:04 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): lol
[10:04 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): his nation is "Native"
[10:04 PM] Thatcher: Ohhh
[10:04 PM] Ark: Lmao
[10:04 PM] Thatcher: Haha
[10:04 PM] Ark: That was an SNL moment or something
[10:04 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): this is like Who's on First
[10:05 PM] Vapid: This is why I made my nation native
[10:05 PM] Vapid: so much confusion
[10:05 PM] Vapid: so much irony
[10:05 PM] Ike: I told you, Who's on first!
[10:05 PM] Thatcher: @Griffindor @Seraph Who are your nation names? (I need to add them to the dispatch_)
[10:05 PM] Ike: Why you asking me?
[10:06 PM] Ike: Seraph is https://www.nationstates.net/nation=terephah
[10:06 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Seraph is Terephah
[10:06 PM] Thatcher: Okay thank you!
[10:06 PM] Ark: I can't believe the name "Native" wasn't already taken @Vapid
[10:06 PM] Thatcher: Yeah, lmao
[10:06 PM] Vapid: I took it 5 days after it was available
[10:06 PM] Vapid: I also got the nation Freddie Mercury
[10:07 PM] Ike: I got Rus
[10:07 PM] Griffindor: Lazarus I assume??
[10:07 PM] Ike: I waited over a hundred days to grab Rus
[10:07 PM] Thatcher: Yes
[10:07 PM] Ark: Do you still have it? @Ike
[10:07 PM] Amerion: Lol, I've 7 nations in my dossier who I'm just waiting to die
[10:07 PM] Ike: Indeed
[10:07 PM] Ark: Is it big enough to have a pretitle?
[10:07 PM] Ike: https://www.nationstates.net/nation=rus
[10:07 PM] Ike: Uh
[10:07 PM] Ike: Almost.
[10:08 PM] Vapid: Make it Kievan
[10:08 PM] Vapid: The Kievan of Rus
[10:08 PM] Thatcher: Haha
[10:08 PM] Ike: That's not how Kievan Rus worked :stuck_out_tongue:
[10:08 PM] Ark: When it is, you should move it to Laz and call it "The Laza of Rus"
[10:08 PM] Ike: >_>
[10:08 PM] Griffindor: https://www.nationstates.net/nation=what_is_dead_may_never_die

"What is dead may never die"
[10:08 PM] Ark: Because why not
[10:08 PM] Ike: It's pronounced Roos
[10:08 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Yes
[10:08 PM] Ark: Lazarooooos
[10:08 PM] Thatcher: Thank you @Griffindor
[10:08 PM] Ike: The Grand Principality of Rus, methinks
[10:09 PM] Ike: @Somyrion (Aumelodia) Feel like answering Constie in GP as to why no recall vote yet?
[10:09 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): erm
[10:09 PM] Ike: I feel like now is a good time to start discussing a recall vote.
[10:09 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): We need evidence
[10:09 PM] Ark: "Because we'd have to outnumber the imported voters first :^)"
[10:09 PM] Ike: I'm thinking more gross incompetence than criminal charges atm
[10:10 PM] Ark: Incompetence should be a criminal charge
[10:10 PM] Ark: >_>
[10:10 PM] Ark: <_<
[10:10 PM] Ike: :heart:
[10:11 PM] Amerion: He barely has three weeks left tho
[10:11 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Idea
[10:11 PM] Ike: True
[10:11 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): we need to put up a proposal to change the delegate voting system
[10:12 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): to like TSP's
[10:12 PM] Amerion: For in-game as well
[10:12 PM] Amerion: ?
[10:12 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): give the gameside natives a voice
[10:12 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): who could object to that
[10:12 PM] Pherttsylvania: Will he just wait things out until the election though?
[10:12 PM] Amerion: I'll change the proposal then
[10:12 PM] Ike: Yes indeed
[10:12 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): can we propose it separately @Amerion?
[10:12 PM] Amerion: Depends
[10:12 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I feel like the other baggage will weigh it down
[10:13 PM] Amerion: Do you want to keep the same mandate?
[10:13 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): in the end, no, for now, yes
[10:13 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): it makes it easier to pass
[10:13 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): someone else besides me should propose it
[10:13 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I'm trying to make myself more popular among gameside anyway >.>
[10:14 PM] Lenlyvit: What is being proposed?
[10:14 PM] Lenlyvit: Ill propose it
[10:14 PM] Ark: I think Ike should, unless Len is about to propose it lol
[10:14 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): no, you're too unknown >.>
[10:14 PM] Ark: Len works
[10:14 PM] Ark: >_>
[10:14 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): sorry Len :stuck_out_tongue:
[10:14 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): hmm
[10:14 PM] Lenlyvit: Oh, nvm
[10:14 PM] Lenlyvit: Then
[10:14 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): maybe though
[10:14 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Andrew?
[10:14 PM] Amerion: Ike, our resident martyr
[10:14 PM] Amerion: God bless
[10:14 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Ike is our propagandist
[10:14 PM] Ark: Andrew is a good one :open_mouth:
[10:15 PM] Amerion: So this amendment is purely to the CMA?
[10:15 PM] Ike: heh
[10:15 PM] Ike: I can do it, if no one else wants
[10:15 PM] Ark: HEY
[10:15 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): he's too thick in the politics, we need someone who has experience and can be genuinely believed to do it for the good of the region
[10:15 PM] Ark: if we get this proposal passed
[10:15 PM] Atlantica: I like the idea of having a TSP-style Delegate system in theory, but in practice I'm concerned that raiders could flood Lazarus with puppets with WA and use that to weigh the Delegacy vote without any protections that could potentially come from a forum (e.g., security checks, proscribed regions, denial of known conspirators, security councils to preemptively deny security threats, etc.)
[10:15 PM] Ark: Then that presents a perfect time frame for Ike to TG bomb Lazarus
[10:15 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): hm
[10:16 PM] Ark: This would be a temporary system, Atl
[10:16 PM] Morozovia:

[10:16 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): TSP does WA-native-only
[10:16 PM] Ark: We'd have to have someone monitoring the WAs
[10:16 PM] Ark: Yeah
[10:16 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): what are the poll options?
[10:16 PM] Morozovia: jk btw lol
[10:16 PM] Ark: WA + resident I think
[10:17 PM] Ark: And if you leave the WA or region your vote is discarded iirc
[10:17 PM] Ark: We just have to watch update.
[10:17 PM] Ark: Or rather the happenings page.
[10:17 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Select who is eligible to vote. Nations must meet all of the selected criteria to be eligible. Votes from nations that become ineligible between voting and the close of the poll are discarded.

Residents: Nations in the region.

Natives: Nations that possess more Regional Influence here than in any other region.

WA Members: Members of the World Assembly.

Large Nations: Nations with a population of at least 1 billion.

Influential Nations: Nations possessing Regional Influence equivalent to having spent 1,000 unendorsed days in the region.
[10:17 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): those are the poll options
[10:18 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): WA + Influential nations?
[10:18 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): that would work
[10:18 PM] Vapid: @Morozovia People's Republic of the South Pacific?
[10:18 PM] Vapid: :stuck_out_tongue:
[10:18 PM] Ike: Socialist Republic.
[10:18 PM] Ike: Fucking prole.
[10:19 PM] Ike: @Somyrion (Aumelodia) Now that we've established collectively that KK is not legally Prelate, is it worth it at this point to unmask him?
[10:19 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Not from me
[10:20 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Only a forum admin
[10:20 PM] Ike: Are any of us aside from Harm forum admins?
[10:20 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): no
[10:20 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): it's DYP, Harm, Funk
[10:21 PM] Ike: Right.
[10:21 PM] Lenlyvit: I love how Funk is ignoring your post on the forum
[10:21 PM] Ike: @harmoneia Would you be inclined to take some action on our behalf, or would you rather not?
[10:21 PM] Vapid: I've talked to funk
[10:21 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): am I allowed to edit the colors on the WFE? :stuck_out_tongue:
[10:21 PM] Vapid: He says "they're children"
[10:21 PM] Vapid: So I wouldn't be surprised
[10:22 PM] Ike: Actually I'm a legal adult under Canadian law as of July 11th, 2017
[10:22 PM] Ike: So he can suck my peepee
[10:22 PM] Lenlyvit: I'm 23
[10:22 PM] Vapid: Hi 23
[10:22 PM] Vapid: I'm dad
[10:22 PM] Ike: die
[10:22 PM] Vapid: I've tried
[10:22 PM] Vapid: ravioli ravioli give me the death I deservioli
[10:22 PM] Ike: I don't want to doxx anyone but i have to point out that if you translate Lenly's last name from German, it's metal as fuck
[10:24 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): where did that come from :p
[10:24 PM] Vapid: My last name comes from Irish for "Brave" :stuck_out_tongue:
[10:24 PM] Ike: My last name is a Greek word for a kind of ruler
[10:24 PM] Ike: Bow down, peasants.
[10:26 PM] Amerion: Funk likes to belittle his opposition. Rude.
[10:26 PM] Lenlyvit: Our original last name was Scottish, before it was changed in the 1600's when they came to America
[10:27 PM] Pherttsylvania: A couple days ago he and Lamb couldn't quit talking in voice chat about how my nation name is totally like, Fart-slyvania lolol
[10:27 PM] Ike: Mine was shortened before I was born because no one could pronounce it, it was so long.
[10:27 PM] Vapid: I was wrong. It comes from welsh
[10:27 PM] Vapid: (Dewr)
[10:28 PM] Ike: A sheepshagger instead of a potato fetish
[10:28 PM] Pherttsylvania: my last name doesn't mean anything
[10:28 PM] Pherttsylvania: I lack culture
[10:29 PM] Vapid: It's okay
[10:29 PM] Vapid: we can't all be weird
[10:30 PM] Lenlyvit: It was changed from Mercer to Messer
[10:30 PM] Lenlyvit: I prefer Mercer
[10:30 PM] Lenlyvit: Sounds better
[10:30 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): otherwise we get to call you messy lenly
[10:31 PM] Lenlyvit: Kek
[10:34 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): http://s15.zetaboards.com/NSLazarus/topic/10255777/1/
[10:42 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): so guys: Lamb's not around right now, and he's the toughest nut of the bunch. We need to get all we possibly can done now before he can be back to stop it
[10:43 PM] Ike: What specific action do you suggest at the current time?
[10:43 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): let's get the delegate election proposal up
[10:43 PM] Ike: Want me to write the law?
[10:43 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): let's write it together
[10:43 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): @Amerion are you around to help?(edited)
[10:43 PM] Ike: Sure thing
[10:43 PM] Amerion: Wait I don't think it's a good idea
[10:43 PM] Amerion: Funk may flood the region with WAs
[10:44 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): no
[10:44 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): the poll would be WA + influential
[10:44 PM] Amerion: How does this poll work?
[10:44 PM] Ike: How about this
[10:44 PM] Ike: When you become a citizen, you are ineligible to vote in the next Delegate election, however soon it may be
[10:45 PM] Vapid: I'm decent at writing legislation :stuck_out_tongue:
[10:45 PM] Ike: After that, it's open season
[10:45 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Select who is eligible to vote. Nations must meet all of the selected criteria to be eligible. Votes from nations that become ineligible between voting and the close of the poll are discarded.

Residents: Nations in the region.

Natives: Nations that possess more Regional Influence here than in any other region.

WA Members: Members of the World Assembly.

Large Nations: Nations with a population of at least 1 billion.

Influential Nations: Nations possessing Regional Influence equivalent to having spent 1,000 unendorsed days in the region.
those are the poll options @Amerion
[10:45 PM] Ike: @Somyrion (Aumelodia) That definition is flawed because many raiders and defenders never build up influence anywhere else since they're always moving around
[10:45 PM] Ike: It would mean nothing
[10:45 PM] Ike: And DEATs happen, rendering large populations irrelevant
[10:46 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): here's how I imagine it:
[10:46 PM] Amerion: @Vapid should do it if he's all g with doing it
[10:46 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): - citizens vote on all the candidates like a normal election
[10:46 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): yeah
[10:46 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): - then the top two candidates go to a regionside poll that's open to all WA and influential nations
[10:47 PM] Kanglia: Basically what TSP does Som?
[10:47 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): like TSP, I admit
[10:47 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): yes
[10:47 PM] Ike: But only citizens can vote on actual laws?
[10:47 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): laws?
[10:47 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): this has nothing to do with laws
[10:47 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): so yes
[10:47 PM] Svezjacael: I disagree with "native" personally. I have been "in" Lazarus since 2013, but because of CTEs and such, my Pacifican nation is far more influential, also in part for being a RO in TP
[10:47 PM] Kanglia: No no I think that's fine, TSP has a great system imo
[10:48 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): @Svezjacael you already have a vote, as a citizen, though
[10:48 PM] Vapid: Alright
[10:48 PM] Ike: I feel like this is a tough standard for voting
[10:48 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): this is for the people
[10:48 PM] Vapid: Tell me what y'all need me to do
[10:48 PM] Vapid: And I'll do it
[10:48 PM] Svezjacael: True, true.
[10:48 PM] Amerion: ^^^
[10:48 PM] Ike: Lot of people won't be eligible, like R/Ders and recently DEAT'd people
[10:48 PM] Ike: There has to be a simpler way
[10:48 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): no
[10:48 PM] Amerion: ^^^
[10:48 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): if you're a citizen you get to vote
[10:48 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): you get to vote in the first round of voting
[10:48 PM] Ike: Doesn't that defeat the whole purpose
[10:48 PM] Ike: What
[10:48 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): >.<'
[10:48 PM] Kanglia: Voting takes place on forum
[10:48 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Amerion, guide Ike to see the way
[10:48 PM] Amerion: Aume. I'm confused. Write up your idea and we can have a look at it
[10:49 PM] Kanglia: Top 2 go gameside in a poll
[10:49 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): okay
[10:49 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): yes
[10:49 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): kanglia has it
[10:49 PM] Kanglia: Only WA nations & influential ones can vote
[10:49 PM] Kanglia: So, R/D & DEAT'd gets to vote in round 1
[10:49 PM] Amerion: Ahhh, so you can set the poll to have people who are not WA but who have influence to vire?
[10:49 PM] Kanglia: To narrow it down to the top 2
[10:49 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): well, you could'
[10:50 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): but WA and influential (above 1000 spdr) is extra security
[10:50 PM] Ike: Why exclude them in the second round, though
[10:50 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): because no longterm puppets
[10:50 PM] Kanglia: ^
[10:50 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): you're not necessarily excluding them
[10:50 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): like Amerion could vote in both
[10:51 PM] Kanglia: It prevents mass R/D'ers flooding the elections
[10:51 PM] Amerion: I'm mobile atm so can't reply to everything but TSP wpuld have put a lot of thought into their system, so yeh
[10:51 PM] Ike: Someone like me, or Atlantica, who skits around with their WA for R/D purposes, would be ineligible to vote in the second round
[10:51 PM] Ike: I feel like this is unnecessary
[10:52 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): the second round isn't all about you though :stuck_out_tongue:
[10:52 PM] Ike: It's about all of us
[10:52 PM] Kanglia: I personally think the either or option is a good way to go
[10:52 PM] Ike: That includes all of us, including me, and others like me
[10:52 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): this isn't about giving you more votes, or our bloc more votes
[10:52 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): this is about including the always-excluded gameside
[10:53 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): (which could, if I have enough name recognition there, tip us in favor)
[10:53 PM] Ike: I don't want more votes, I want a vote
[10:53 PM] Ike: A vote equal to other Lazarenes
[10:53 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): ugh.
[10:53 PM] Ike: Not inferior in a rounds-based system
[10:53 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): you have a vote.
[10:53 PM] Ike: I have one vote and others have two
[10:53 PM] Ike: One person, one vote.
[10:54 PM] Kanglia: Make it based off of an either or on WA or SPDR system
[10:54 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Just saying, there are more Unionists eligible to vote in a WA-influence poll >.>
[10:54 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): that's not the main point though
[10:55 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I care about this not because of the current situation but because I want the rest of Lazarus to have a voice in these decisions
[10:56 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia):
The Dawn of Daybreak13
9 minutes ago
Wired To → Grub
7 minutes ago
Grub,
I hope this telegram finds you with Lazarus still in good health. As the ambassador from Lazarus to XKI along with The Concordant Waters of Aumelodia, the leader of the LCA (Lazarene military), we think it would be in the utmost desire of our region to get TITO on hold and on watch with Lazarus in case the worst happens. This needs to be kept behind Funkadelia's back as he is a suspected member of the invading party. Also, I am currently in a operation that may help us all to determine what is happening in Lazarus. But- my mission needs to be kept in utmost secrecy until the time is right. I am on the unofficial XKI Discord server as 'The13th' if you need to send me a message there.
Thanks! :)
[10:56 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): completely unrelated, just thought I should post here
[10:56 PM] Ark: @here I have a small, relatively insignificant gift for all of you. I want to acknowledge all of your hard work in a way that will last, regardless of whether we win or not. So while my photo skills are not exactly World-renowned, I present you with the Lazarene Freedom Ribbon:
[10:56 PM] Ark:

👍4
[10:57 PM] Ike: xD good work
[10:57 PM] Svezjacael: I like that!
[10:57 PM] Ark: Feel free to display it in your signatures if you like.
[10:57 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I will.'
[10:57 PM] Ark: Ike, you can pin it if you want :stuck_out_tongue:
[10:57 PM] Ike: @Somyrion (Aumelodia) I think for now, we should hold off on the Delegate election law, given the lack of consensus on to how it would work, and focus on a law regarding the powers of the Delegate/CB
[10:57 PM] Ike: Y'know, switching em
[10:57 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): @Ark can you remove the background? :stuck_out_tongue:
Ike pinned a message to this channel. See all the pins.07/19/2017
[10:57 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): hmmm
[10:58 PM] Ike: We tried
[10:58 PM] Ike: Hard to get off
[10:58 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): that's less likely to pass
[10:58 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): the gameside leans in our favor
[10:58 PM] Ike: You said as much yourself it's not so much as what leans in our favor
[10:58 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I'm not completely sure what your criticism is
[10:58 PM] Ark: We don't have time to hold off on the election vote, tbh
[10:59 PM] Ike: It's what will be good for Lazarus, and I fundamentally disagree with the concept of some residents having superior voting powers than others
[10:59 PM] Ark: Elections aren't far away, and we have to anticipate attempts to stall the vote.
[11:00 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): @Ike anyone can easily be a 1000spdr-WAer just by tarting before an election
[11:00 PM] Ark: ^
[11:00 PM] Svezjacael: The image is massive Ark. Is there a smaller version?
[11:01 PM] Ark: Uuuh
[11:01 PM] Ark: Not really. I didn't plan this out very well, you see
[11:01 PM] Ike: And completely neutralize our R/D activity for a week to be able to vote?
[11:01 PM] Kanglia: Roavin is doing it atm, in fairness
[11:02 PM] Ike: And his absence on the battlefield is a tragedy
[11:02 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): @Ike we don't need to
[11:02 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): look at who the guardians are
[11:02 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I'm going to
[11:02 PM] Vapid: I don't like the TSP-type system, as a side-note
[11:02 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): hm
[11:02 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): why?
[11:02 PM] Vapid: I think forumgoers are generally more active
[11:03 PM] Ike: It's incredibly elitist in the essence of it, but unfortunately true
[11:03 PM] Vapid: And those on site are more likely to be not so altruistic
[11:03 PM] Ike: Forum goers should be prioritized because they are the activity
[11:03 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): :face_palm: but they're not
[11:03 PM] Kanglia: Idea:
[11:03 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): we forumgoers act as though we are the very lifeblood of the region
[11:03 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): we're not
[11:04 PM] Kanglia: Actually, nvm
[11:04 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): the region would go on and tubbius would continue to fatten without us
[11:04 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): the RMBers are just as active
[11:04 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): should they not be able to determine their delegate, the only real vestige of in-game power?
[11:05 PM] Ike: Yes, and by extent, I would argue that they should join the forums and register as citizens to have that right.
[11:05 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): They may not want to
[11:05 PM] Ike: It takes like a minute to register and apply
[11:06 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): it's unfamiliar, offsite, etc.
[11:06 PM] Ike: It's tradition
[11:06 PM] Ark: That's a pretty lame excuse, Somy :stuck_out_tongue:
[11:06 PM] Ark: More like people are lazy
[11:06 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): okay fine :stuck_out_tongue:
[11:06 PM] Ark: Tbh
[11:06 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): tyre
[11:06 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): tradition is a pretty lame excuse too :stuck_out_tongue:
[11:07 PM] Ark: Grow Up is a cute game.
[11:07 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I'd love to see a GCR that didn't use an offsite forum
[11:07 PM] Ark: The War Zones?
[11:07 PM] Ark: :wink:
[11:07 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): lol
[11:07 PM] Ark: It yeah tradition is weak as well
[11:07 PM] Svezjacael: You know what else is a cute game? Life is Strange. :cry:
[11:08 PM] Ark: Either way, I like the proposal for a gameside vote.
[11:08 PM] Morozovia: My god that medal is big... too bad, I'll display it with honor
[11:08 PM] Ark: @Svezjacael it's not cute it's mind-boggling
[11:08 PM] Svezjacael: But yeah, I like the gameside vote. It'll get the natives who don't go forum side to hear.
No it's hell. The floor is emotional damage.
[11:08 PM] Svezjacael: rocks back and forth in fetal position The floor is emotional damage, the floor is emotional damage, the floor....
[11:08 PM] Ike: I want a gameside vote that doesn't exclude dedicated citizens who don't happen to keep a WA lying around all the time
[11:09 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): @Morozovia you can do [img=50,50][/img] to resize it
[11:09 PM] Ike: It's not hard for votebots to tart either
[11:09 PM] Vapid: Sorry for the absence
[11:09 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): hm
[11:09 PM] Vapid: Forumgoers aren't the lifeblood
[11:09 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): how can we change that, then?
[11:09 PM] Vapid: but they're by far the most active portion
[11:09 PM] Morozovia: @Somyrion (Aumelodia) Oh thanks :sweat_smile:
[11:09 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I mean the problems Ike has
[11:09 PM] Ark: We can also just add a votebot for each of their votebots if it comes to that.
[11:09 PM] Vapid: If not by forum, then at least by discord
[11:09 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): most active in traditional GCR government activity, you mean
[11:10 PM] Vapid: That is true
[11:10 PM] Vapid: But if they show the incentive to join the forums
[11:10 PM] Vapid: they will show the incentive to do other things
[11:10 PM] Vapid: The forums are a learning curve.
[11:10 PM] Vapid: And a steep one
[11:10 PM] Ike: Forum joining is an easy process, and it's beneficial to get as many people on them as possible
[11:10 PM] Vapid: Make of that what you will
[11:10 PM] Vapid: He who can be trusted with little can be trusted with much
[11:11 PM] Ike: It enhances our activity, and if you don't want to actively participate, you only have to register and visit once every few months to choose your delegate
[11:11 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Agreed, I stayed away from offsite forums for my first half year on NS
[11:11 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): for whatever reason, people don't though ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[11:11 PM] Vapid: I can tell you why
[11:11 PM] Vapid: It's another thing to sign up for
[11:12 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): mhm
[11:12 PM] Vapid: It's a learning curve that blocks the unmotivated
[11:12 PM] Vapid: I would argue that to be a good thing.
[11:12 PM] Vapid: We could advertise the forums more
[11:12 PM] Vapid: tell people the benefits of being forumgoers
[11:12 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): someone in my other region refused to join discord because he "didn't want to have to learn another platform... isn't the forums and TGs good enough?"
[11:12 PM] Ike: Previous forum drives are always "wanna do more for your region? join up!"
[11:13 PM] Ike: but that ignores a simple fact
[11:13 PM] Ike: The people don't wanna do more. They don't give two shits
[11:13 PM] Ike: Instead, we dangle a carrot in front of their face
[11:13 PM] Wintermoot: The problem with regional forums is that there's often nothing to do on them but serve your region.
[11:13 PM] Ike: Hey dipshit, want a say in your Delegate? Sign up. So easy it'll make you smile.
[11:13 PM] Ike: Nothing else to it.
[11:13 PM] Ike: We barely even need forums except as a conduit for elections
[11:13 PM] Ike: If we wanted to run our legislature entirely through discord, we could
[11:13 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): except filling out a big form and then waiting for a week :smiley:
[11:13 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): :p
[11:14 PM] Wintermoot: Perhaps...but a forum allows for a great deal of discussion and culture, if the work is put into it
[11:14 PM] Ike: Well obviously we need efficient bureaucracy
[11:14 PM] Ike: We always send mass TGs with the exact same message
[11:14 PM] Ike: Instead of trying the same old failed tactic, I suggest we be more direct
[11:15 PM] Ike: Find the most active RMB posters, and egg them
[11:15 PM] Ike: Personally. Talk to them about it, and why they should at least sign up so they can vote
[11:15 PM] Ike: Be like a Mormon knocking on someone's door
[11:15 PM] Ike: "Do you have a moment today to talk about your voting power?"
[11:15 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): the one thing that does get people riled up is their rights
[11:16 PM] Ike: Live Free Or Die, on the Lazarene ForumTM
[11:16 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): what say I post the delegate elections amendment on the RMB, with a seductive little link.... "click on this and respond to help give yourself rights"
[11:17 PM] Ike: exactly lmao
[11:17 PM] Ark: Okay, I love the discussion here, but we need a damn decision.
[11:17 PM] Ike: I think we should keep the sailing smooth right now. Small, gradual changes.
[11:17 PM] Ike: Let's not overhaul our voting system quite yet.
[11:17 PM] Ark: Sacrificing R/D ops during the election period isn't that big a deal.
[11:18 PM] Atlantica: Going back to Ike's concern that the ability of votebots to tart will allow them to quickly gain influence to the extent that they meet the SPDR threshold, then it's perfectly possible to make the Large Regions threshold another requirement for the election.
[11:18 PM] Ike: Let us ask ourselves, how will switching to gameside voting help us right now?
[11:19 PM] Ike: Allow me, if you will, to propose an alternative voting system.
[11:19 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): For the delegate elections, it will give us an advantage. I've already said that.
[11:20 PM] Ark: @Ike triggering a gameside vote means you can use Amerion's TG stamps to bomb Lazarus with anti-funk rhetoric.
[11:20 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): just a general poll: @here who would be in favor of a second round of delegate voting taking place on gameside and who would be opposed?
[11:20 PM] Ark: Timed properly, we'd get hella votes
[11:20 PM] Ike: Shiiiiit.
[11:20 PM] Ark: Second round..?
[11:20 PM] Ike: But that presents another problem
[11:20 PM] Ike: The gameside population, in the masses, tend to be sheep.
[11:20 PM] Ike: The vote of a forumgoer is typically informed after a long campaign period
[11:20 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): they do, yes
[11:20 PM] Ike: Gamesiders don't typically check anything except their telegram box
[11:21 PM] Ike: Which you can expect to be full of propaganda that they don't want to hear
[11:21 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): telegram war...?
[11:21 PM] Ike: They'll say "fine, I'll vote for your guy, stop messaging me"
[11:21 PM] Ark: Good enough tbh
[11:21 PM] Ike: Or be easily sold on falsehoods
[11:21 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): unless you make it fun
[11:21 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): :stuck_out_tongue:
[11:21 PM] Ark: Like I said, time it right so funk doesn't get the chance to make a counter one
[11:21 PM] Ike: That are impossible to get them out of, because they don't visit the forums to see the facts
[11:21 PM] Ark: At least, not a good one
[11:22 PM] Ike: Don't we need a two-thirds majority to change the Mandate, and four days of voting?
[11:22 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): yes
[11:22 PM] Ike: We're fucked if we think we can pass this at the current moment
[11:22 PM] Vapid: i would be opposed to delegate voting on gameside.
[11:22 PM] Vapid: As you already know
[11:22 PM] Ike: I would abstain unless it came down real close, I think. I don't like the idea.
[11:23 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): hm...well then
[11:23 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I don't think I can go ahead without clear support
[11:23 PM] Ike: Let me tell you hwat
[11:23 PM] Ike: We should go over it more in depth tomorrow, when everyone is around
[11:23 PM] Ike: We'll throw around some draft laws, edit, figure shit out
[11:24 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): can we think of other better ways to get gameside/people not on the forums involved in voting
[11:24 PM] Ike: I'm interested in presenting my concept for overhauling the voting system
[11:24 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): yeah
[11:24 PM] Ike: I can, personally
[11:24 PM] Ike: And that is personally going after them
[11:24 PM] Ike: Instead of sending mass TGs, target active gamesiders and hold real conversations
[11:24 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): hmm
[11:24 PM] Ike: Be as relentless as a Jehovah's Witness to get them on the forum
[11:24 PM] Ike: "Can I talk to you today about forum registration?"
[11:25 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): okay
[11:25 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): who to target
[11:25 PM] Ike: Here's the beauty
[11:25 PM] Ike: We'd be giving a Recruiting Officer something to actually do instead of fuck all
[11:25 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Track is already on the forums right?
[11:25 PM] Ike: Their job is to find active gamesiders who aren't on the forum
[11:25 PM] Ike: And persuade them to register so they can voice their opinion
[11:26 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): is there anything that I should use my comm powers for rn?
[11:27 PM] Ike: I think Funk might get hella pissed if you mass TG the guardian, as in accusing you of treason kinda pissed
[11:28 PM] Svezjacael: Well, are we flaming the RMB right now?
[11:28 PM] Doperland: Hm
[11:28 PM] Ike: No... we should though
[11:29 PM] Svezjacael: That's very public. And I have the perfect idea on it too, but it requires some evidence. Are we able to securely say Funk and Lamb are cooperating with LWU?
[11:30 PM] Ike: I don't know.
[11:30 PM] Ike: @Ark @Amerion thoughts?
[11:31 PM] Vapid: Not legally speaking.
[11:31 PM] Vapid: So don't try to
[11:31 PM] Vapid: be the good guys
[11:31 PM] Ike: We can accuse them, but we don't have solid ground, only circumstantial evidence
[11:31 PM] Ike: What is easy to see is that they are doing bad things. But the actual link to collusion is shakier.
[11:31 PM] Ark: They're members.
[11:31 PM] Ark: That's one good point to bring up :stuck_out_tongue:
[11:32 PM] Ike: And they can just say it's typical drum banging about raider infiltration from salty defenders
[11:32 PM] Ike: We should stick to our guns, that being how it's glaringly obvious that Funk and Lamb have committed crimes and are working against us
[11:32 PM] Svezjacael: Well, I was going to say if we have definite evidence, a puppet from LWU saying the region will be theirs would get people to pay attention.
[11:32 PM] Ike: We should keep accusations of foreign collusion out of it until we have more solid ground
[11:33 PM] Ike: I think Mekhet did that already
[11:33 PM] Ike: But said it half-jokingly so that if we tried to hold him to it, he'd say it was sarcasm
[11:33 PM] Svezjacael: But if we had a definite gun on it who wouldn't let off, ie the puppet, we'd have people take notice.
[11:34 PM] Ike: Are you implying we throw up a strawman?
[11:34 PM] Vapid: Deception=bad
[11:34 PM] Ike: ^
[11:34 PM] Svezjacael: Only when we get the evidence to say it.
[11:34 PM] Vapid: I'm for a soft revolution, not one with deceit
[11:34 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): agreed
[11:34 PM] Svezjacael: And not a deceptive one, but we prod one of theirs to say it.
[11:34 PM] Ike: Well
[11:35 PM] Ike: If you feel like playing 007, you're free to try and get a confession
[11:35 PM] Svezjacael: Well, Funkadelia was a Praetorian back in the NPO way far ago, but the book has changed since. I could work on it to see what I can do about helping there, if you guys would approve that.
[11:35 PM] Ike: How so?
[11:37 PM] Svezjacael: Well, before I was a senator I was an infiltrator for the NPO, working largely in Feeders and UCRs. Most of our new methods over there have changed because of the contributions to successful infil I had. I was infil-ing TBH for a while, feeding their plans back to other regions to counter them. I could infil LWU and work on getting some progress on what they're doing themselves behind closed doors.
[11:37 PM] Ark: "Well, I was going to say if we have definite evidence, a puppet from LWU saying the region will be theirs would get people to pay attention."
Name it Lamb Chop just to piss them off
[11:37 PM] Ike: I like the idea.
[11:38 PM] Vapid: I dislike the idea
[11:38 PM] Svezjacael: Alright. I'll make a puppet that they can't trace and start working on seeing what they're doing.
[11:38 PM] Vapid: Oh, you're talking about infiltration
[11:38 PM] Ike: Yea
[11:38 PM] Vapid: me likey(edited)
[11:39 PM] Vapid: We're going for NLO coup level intricacies
[11:39 PM] Ark: Except it's not a coup.
[11:39 PM] Ark: :stuck_out_tongue:
[11:39 PM] Ike: Operation Vilkas is a go.
[11:39 PM] Ark: Well
[11:39 PM] Ark: I shouldn't say that
[11:39 PM] Ark: It is kind of a coup
[11:39 PM] Ike: What do you mean?
[11:39 PM] Svezjacael: Well, as a former member of the NLO I'm versed in that.
If anybody else is planning to infiltrate LWU with me, let me know. That way we can cooperate and set up a Lazarene spy unit that way.
[11:39 PM] Ark: But more like a planned counter-coup?
[11:39 PM] Ark: Because we are pushing someone to coup so we can overthrow them
[11:40 PM] Ike: It ain't illegal
[11:40 PM] Ike: That's what counts
[11:40 PM] Ark: lol
[11:58 PM] Amerion: Just note the following:
[11:58 PM] Amerion: (2) High Treason shall be said to be committed when one fulfils any of the following conditions:
Attempting to lower the sitting Sovereign's endorsement count without the approval of the Cosmic Council.
Acting, alone or with others, to change the lawfully elected government of Lazarus as recognized by the Cosmic Council, by any means other than participation in a scheduled election and the discussions and campaigning preceding said election.
Violating a World's or Core World's fundamental rights as defined in The Celestial Mandate Act (Article 3, Section 3) while holding any position in Lazarus that requires confirmation or election by The Cosmic Council.[3
[11:58 PM] Ike: We understand this.
[11:58 PM] Amerion: Brb
[11:59 PM] Ike: We're doing pretty well on all of these, but for the sake of clarification let's talk about that first charge
[11:59 PM] Amerion: In cinema npw
[11:59 PM] Ike: Whether or not you wish to endorse Funk is entirely up to you
[11:59 PM] Vapid: Did you know that counterfeiting used to be high treason in many monarchies
[11:59 PM] Ike: I make no attempt to dissuade you from doing so, nor do I encourage it
[11:59 PM] Vapid: Since it was basically forging the royal signature
[11:59 PM] Vapid: Since all currency is issued in the king/queen's name
July 20, 2017
[12:00 AM] Ike: And on that note, the Queen doesn't require a passport
[12:00 AM] Ike: All of them are issued in her name
[12:03 AM] Vapid: I am a subject of the queen of Australia
[12:03 AM] Vapid: And Ike is a subject of the queen of Jamaica
[12:03 AM] Ike: You're Australian?
[12:03 AM] Ike: Oh fuck
[12:03 AM] Ike: No no
[12:04 AM] Ike: You're from
[12:04 AM] Ike: Like
[12:04 AM] Ike: Manitoba
[12:04 AM] Ike: Right
[12:04 AM] Vapid: Ontario(edited)
[12:04 AM] Vapid: GTA
[12:04 AM] Ike: Miss or the six?
[12:05 AM] Vapid: No, like Hamilton
[12:05 AM] Ike: Ah, you poor sod
[12:05 AM] Vapid: We were poor when we lived there
[12:05 AM] Vapid: So not much choice
[12:05 AM] Ike: Fair enough
[12:33 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): a bunch of the nation links in the petition dispatch are wrong :stuck_out_tongue:
[12:33 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): like Atlantica's
[12:34 AM] Ike: lel
[12:34 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): svez and ark's should prob be their laz, not tp nations
[12:34 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): as well as CoS
[12:34 AM] Ark: Mine is The Sunny Badlands, Svez' is The Rushian Kingdom
[12:36 AM] Ike: You're known better as Ark tho
[12:36 AM] Ark: True
[12:43 AM] Svezjacael: And I'm a bit more prolific as Svezjacael than I am RK. But I digress.
[12:49 AM] Ark: *pacific
[12:49 AM] Ark: :stuck_out_tongue:
[12:50 AM] Svezjacael: -.-
[12:51 AM] Ark: :>
[1:25 AM] Omega: GP publicly and privately thinks we are close to an outright coup.
[1:28 AM] Doperland: Because we are.
[1:28 AM] Vapid: us couping or funk?
[1:28 AM] Doperland: Both.
[1:28 AM] Vapid: fair enough
[1:29 AM] Ark: lol
[1:30 AM] Vapid: Is it a coup if it's popularly supported though?
[1:30 AM] Vapid: I mean, 20 citizens
[1:30 AM] Doperland: Technically.... It'd be a revolution
[1:30 AM] Ark: ^^^
[1:30 AM] Vapid: History is written by the winners
[1:30 AM] Doperland: wink wink nudge nudge
[1:30 AM] Vapid: We call it a revolution
[1:30 AM] Vapid: funk would call it a coup
[1:31 AM] Doperland: Of course.
[1:31 AM] Doperland: But we will not fail.
[1:31 AM] Vapid: I suspect funk is depending on raiders to support him
[1:31 AM] Doperland: Likely.
[1:32 AM] Ark: Raiderdom is weaker in the summer.
[1:32 AM] Ark: And I bet they aren't anticipating NPO piler support.
[1:33 AM] Doperland: Honestly, I just want all this unpleasant business over.
[1:33 AM] Svezjacael: I have my article for our anonymous friend to post in the paper whenever we get it up. It's a nice little propaganda piece. Anybody want to read it and give me feedback?
[1:34 AM] Ark: I've just finished skimming it. I like it.
[1:34 AM] Vapid: I mean, I know that a lot of TBH folks don't like funk or lamb
[1:34 AM] Vapid: so they'd be hard stretched to find support from them
[1:34 AM] Doperland: A lot of folks don't like Funk.
[1:34 AM] Ark: Other than TBH, who really has a lot of pilers?
[1:34 AM] harmoneia: Imps
[1:35 AM] Vapid: KoGB when it tries, and TRE
[1:35 AM] Ark: I could potentially get The Roman Empire to pile us.
[1:35 AM] Ark: You have to remember, I was all but a founding member there :stuck_out_tongue:
[1:35 AM] Vapid: I was a citizen there for a while, but I just dicked around :stuck_out_tongue:
[1:36 AM] Ark: KoGB and Imps most likely won't be enough to rival Defendersphere and Pacific pilers
[1:36 AM] Vapid: KoGB probably won't either
[1:36 AM] harmoneia: If funk were half as smart as Wolf it'd be quite easy for him to coup. Endos too far from any of us, banject any incoming endorsees of opponents
[1:37 AM] Vapid: If TBH does, it'll be out of favor for wolf, tom, and scardino
[1:37 AM] Vapid: Not because of funk
[1:37 AM] Doperland: Honestly, I don't know if Funk wants to coup.
[1:37 AM] Ark: I wouldn't be surprised if they decided to pile simply because I'm here, tbh
[1:37 AM] Vapid: He doesn't
[1:38 AM] Vapid: no one really wants a coup
[1:38 AM] Vapid: we want different things than he
[1:38 AM] Doperland: Fair enough.
[1:40 AM] Omega: @Svezjacael I'd like to read it over
[1:40 AM] Omega: Also a lot more people expect a Funk coup than anything else.
[1:41 AM] Svezjacael: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GpNNwxA-2bY3gPCjbP50ShEFjcPs4prrJ7mNiwsWQcc/edit?usp=sharing
Google Docs
Article 1
It has been a long time since the dawning of the new Lazarus, one where we evicted the New Lazarene Order from the benches of our offices, and where we rallied around our sovereignty to embrace what Lazarus has always stood for - freedom. True, in fact, is the thought that because of the New Laza...

[1:43 AM] Ark: @Omega good. We want people to think that.
[1:48 AM] Omega: That is brilliant Svez
[1:49 AM] Vapid: nice article
[1:49 AM] Ark: That's what I like to hear!
[1:49 AM] Vapid: I'd make an argument about certain tenets, but overall good.
[1:50 AM] Svezjacael: Well it's open to help if you want to tell me what you think needs adjusting.
[1:50 AM] Vapid: It's personal notes
[1:50 AM] Vapid: nothing big
[1:50 AM] Svezjacael: Ah. Okay. Factually it's correct though?
[1:50 AM] Vapid: As far as I know
[1:50 AM] Omega: Looks to be
[1:50 AM] Svezjacael: Good. It was going off what I'd gathered and wanted to make sure the facts were in check.
[1:51 AM] Ark: Solid.
[1:53 AM] Ark: So uh
[1:53 AM] Ark: Should I still have the Archbishop masking now? :stuck_out_tongue:
[1:54 AM] Svezjacael: In my eyes yes, because the only reason you were removed is because  Funk felt threatened by you and what you could do to stop his and Lamb's plans.
[1:54 AM] Ark: True.
[1:55 AM] Ark: Though one correction.
[1:55 AM] Vapid: At the same time, it's within funk's right to remove you
[1:55 AM] Ark: Funk felt threatened by me and what I will do to stop his and Lamb's plans.
[1:56 AM] Ark: And tbh, just because it's within your rights doesn't mean you won't catch shit for doing it :stuck_out_tongue:
[1:56 AM] Vapid: True, but I was making the point that perhaps remasking you now=not good idea
[1:57 AM] Ark: I was talking about in this server
[1:57 AM] Ark: Not that one
[1:57 AM] Ark: I'm not asking for my job back, lol
[1:58 AM] Ark: And I mean, it was within my rights as Archbishop to close every last embassy we have. Doesn't mean I would be able to get away with it :stuck_out_tongue:
[1:59 AM] Vapid: I'm big into the letter of the law, if you couldn't tell :stuck_out_tongue:
[1:59 AM] Ark: Indeed.
[1:59 AM] Ike: Calling it a 'rape' of the mandate is a bit strong and unneeded
[2:00 AM] Ark: @Svezjacael ^
[2:00 AM] Ike: I think the overall tone if this is much too strong for the present moment. Both vowing to put Funk on trial and opening with a condemnation of our move towards independentism
[2:00 AM] Ike: It sends the wrong message about us
[2:00 AM] Ark: Well I did ask for strong
[2:00 AM] Ike: But we can keep this up our sleeve if the situation escalates
[2:00 AM] Ark: But maybe not that strong
[2:00 AM] Ark: But yeah
[2:00 AM] Ark: Definitely keep it
[2:01 AM] Svezjacael: Fair enough. I just started in the regular strength of propaganda I'm used to. I'll definitely keep it for if we need something a bit stronger than a Busweiser.
[2:01 AM] Ike: It's well written, but better to save right now
[2:01 AM] Ark: It's more like a bastardization of the Mandate anyways :stuck_out_tongue:
[2:01 AM] Ark: Let's try for a more hopeful type of strength theme
[2:02 AM] Svezjacael: Alrighty. I'll get on that in the morning. But I might get some sleep before then. Or not, I never sleep after all.
[2:02 AM] Ark: Thank you for the hard work, Svez.
[2:02 AM] Svezjacael: No prob, anything to keep Lazarus how it should be.
[2:03 AM] Ark: o>
[2:03 AM] Ike: o/
[2:34 AM] Amerion: Any update?
[2:34 AM] Ike: No
[2:34 AM] Ike: But let me ask you something
[2:35 AM] Ike: You've watched Star Wars, right?
[2:35 AM] Amerion: Ya
[2:35 AM] Ike: Tell me
[2:35 AM] Ike: What color are C-3PO's legs?
[2:35 AM] Amerion: Gold?
[2:35 AM] Ike: Did you ever notice his silver leg?
[2:35 AM] Amerion: .... Really?
[2:35 AM] Ike: It will flip your world upside down.
[2:42 AM] Amerion: :scream: :scream: :scream:
[2:49 AM] Seraph: I actually already knew that, and yet was still surprised when I was reminded about it in a featurette I watched last week.
[5:44 AM] Curious Observations: If a two stage election model for the Delegate is used, then R/Ders can still (usually) get a voice because they only need to transfer their WA when the poll ends, not for the duration. Roavin said somewhere in my thread that he is just taking the time to stay WA locked for the duration of the vote because of influence gathering or such.
[5:46 AM] Curious Observations: Now, in the case of a coup, remember that pilers are useless in a liberation. Active updaters will be needed.
[6:07 AM] Curious Observations: The propaganda piece is very, very good, but I agree that the independence aspect requires revision
[6:59 AM] Amerion: I'm not sure how to link to a specific NSF post but you should see Cormac's first post in the TLG thread:
[7:00 AM] Amerion: [Cormac]: It's beyond time for Funkadelia to do what is necessary to preserve the sovereignty of Lazarus. I am available to provide advice and assistance.
[7:58 AM] Seraph: I'm so glad he left TSP (again, again)
[7:59 AM] Amerion: He was the main reason I didn't go to TSP
[7:59 AM] Amerion: I suspect he climaxes with every mention of his name
[8:20 AM] Seraph: Wow... That's an image right there. Thanks for that...
[9:01 AM] thechurchofsatan: Since Funk has no problem utilizing his own voting bloc, why not fight fire with fire? I mean, we have 20 citizens standing against their corruption. Let's take advantage of that to balance the scales.
[9:13 AM] thechurchofsatan: We could remove EW and lamb as guardians which would reduce Funk's likelihood of a coup.
[9:17 AM] thechurchofsatan: Maybe even bring this to a peaceful resolution.
[9:41 AM] Vapid: ^
[10:36 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): They have at least 20 citizens too :stuck_out_tongue:
[10:36 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): so don't get your hopes up
[10:49 AM] Amerion: @Somyrion (Aumelodia) I think it's advisable to have a test run of our vote strength. If we do a vote on the recalls, we can ascertain how a future delegate vote will unfold.
[10:50 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): mhm
[11:07 AM] Ark: Anyone have a link to the updated citizenry chart that Somy made?
[11:07 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1yjU_vVpU-Y-UtJC0DHiC1EkyLR3K-SQ3sxnV7t1W968/edit?usp=sharing
Google Docs
Affiliations
Sheet1 Union, Wolf, Neutral, Non-Voting, Only, Leaning Neutral, All Neutral, Voting Closes:, 7/ 12 18: 14, 7/ 14 23: 05, 7/ 15 9: 16, 7/ 16 15: 54,* Sheet must be edited for time to display correctly. Amerion, Funkadelia, Alunya, Capercom, Union, 20, 21, 26,* Time Until Closing:,- 172: 02: 51,...

[11:08 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): The13th is DMing me
[11:09 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): He's asking about getting in contact with XKI in case of a coup
[11:09 AM] Amerion: Hmm
[11:09 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): The13th - Today at 11:04 AM
I dont like the flood of LWUers but we need to have trust in funk and lamb for the time being
[11:09 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): The13th - Today at 11:05 AM
ill be figuring out where i stand sson enough, and it may change whats happening and what we knowdrastically
Somyrion - Today at 11:05 AM
hm
what do you mean?
The13th - Today at 11:06 AM
hey i have to go take a shower sorry gtg
its kind of scretive...
i agree with the thing that ike posted on the forums
im on your side but i am still not sure if there is really a coup going on
[11:10 AM] Ark: Tell him that we have that covered.
[11:11 AM] Curious Observations:

[11:11 AM] Ark: >_>
[11:11 AM] Ark: That's not good.
[11:12 AM] Curious Observations: I am considering whether or not I should post this on the NS Gameplay forum.
[11:13 AM] Amerion: If there's a pattern, with additional nations doing this, then it would be a significant post
[11:13 AM] Ark: I don't know who Danaptin is
[11:14 AM] Ark: But yeah, if there are a lot of nations moving to Laz and endoing the LWUers but not ALL the guardians, make a post about it @Curious Observations
[11:15 AM] Curious Observations: I posted this nation for now. I will check later if there are more.
[11:20 AM] Ark: Alright.
[12:04 PM] Amerion: @Ark Perg is every bit as astute as you praised him as being
[12:05 PM] Ark: That's good.
[12:05 PM] Amerion: In any case, he's quite certain Funk will coup
[12:05 PM] Seraph: :(
[12:06 PM] Ark: It's looking like he's preparing to, anyway.
[12:06 PM] Ark:

[12:06 PM] Ark: @Seraph
[12:06 PM] Ark: He's importing WAs now too
[12:06 PM] Amerion: Our WA game needs to be stronger
[12:06 PM] Amerion: @Somyrion (Aumelodia)
[12:06 PM] Ark: We have three guardians + the DOTR on our side.
[12:06 PM] Ark: If we pile the shit out of them, we may have a chance.
[12:06 PM] Amerion: He's apparently got the raidersphere
[12:06 PM] Seraph: I can switch WA from tomorrow most likely.
[12:07 PM] Ark: But I think cross endoing for the pilers is a not bad idea
[12:07 PM] Seraph: Although it will be sad to say goodbye to all the endos I've amassed in the last week.
[12:07 PM] Ark: Helps us boost influence so funk can't ban pilers Willy nilly
[12:07 PM] harmoneia: apparently Cormac resigned an hour before
[12:07 PM] harmoneia: lol
[12:07 PM] Ark: Hour before what
[12:08 PM] harmoneia: before that Danaptin got admitted to WA
[12:08 PM] Ark: Ah.
[12:08 PM] Ark: I swear if that's Cormac
[12:08 PM] Amerion: @harmoneia We ... Might have to shut him out of admin if it gets to it
[12:08 PM] Ark: We have to keep the forums a neutral ground no matter what.
[12:09 PM] harmoneia: No, he holds the email account for the root.,
[12:09 PM] harmoneia: just back up the documents(edited)
[12:09 PM] Ark: Ah.
[12:10 PM] Ark: Is there any reason we can't start doing that now
[12:10 PM] Amerion: We might have to preemptively make a move then
[12:14 PM] Ark: I'd rather not. Then we become the coupers.
[12:15 PM] Ark: We have to at least wait for solid proof of a coup in the planning stages before we can move.
[12:15 PM] Pherttsylvania: @Somyrion (Aumelodia) thank you for putting together that spreadsheet
[12:21 PM] Ark: Have we managed to recruit any more people?
[12:40 PM] Omega: This is coming to a vote soon: http://s15.zetaboards.com/NSLazarus/topic/10254118/4/#new
[12:41 PM] Ark: We have to shoot it down.
[12:43 PM] Omega: I know
[12:44 PM] Omega: I'm up to top 25 on endos!
[12:46 PM] Ark: :thumbsup:
[12:47 PM] Ark: I'm currently 14th in the region
[1:11 PM] harmoneia: Well, if it pushes through. Insist that in democracies, amendments never apply after the passage of the law. As in, no back-tracking of laws are allowed. It's a basic legal principle. :stuck_out_tongue:
[1:11 PM] Ark: Fair enough
[1:12 PM] Ark: But I'm not sure how the CB'a confirmation actually works
[1:12 PM] Ark: Like if he hasn't confirmed him, is there a way to deny him? Or is it just leaving him unconfirmed
[1:15 PM] harmoneia: Nothing, it's obviously a loophole in the law and to be honest, their interpretation is probably the correct one
[1:15 PM] harmoneia: Or the more plausible one
[1:15 PM] harmoneia: But we work with what we have :stuck_out_tongue:
[1:17 PM] Omega: @Svezjacael ping us when you start the vote.
[1:20 PM] Ark: Fair enough @harmoneia
[1:33 PM] harmoneia: Cormac thinks my nation in TRR would be an improvement for Lazarene sovereignty
[1:33 PM] harmoneia: cute
[1:36 PM] Ark: Wow.
[1:36 PM] Omega: We need to get GP off of this whole Cormac vs. the world about Francoism/NPO argument and back to talking about Laz.
[1:36 PM] Omega: Also where is that?
[1:44 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): in the forum thread
[1:44 PM] Omega: Hey also I was thinking, we should look to recall EW from his guardian position.(edited)
[1:45 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I'll switch my WA in the afternoon given the TSP elections are all but decided :stuck_out_tongue:
[1:45 PM] Omega: Yeah DM took quite the lead late in the election.
[1:51 PM] Ark: Interesting.
[1:51 PM] Ark: @harmoneia also Cormac thinks he knows francoism better than the NPO. He's off his rocker lately tbh
[1:53 PM] Omega: Yeah that was funny.
[1:55 PM] Ark: For me it was both funny and annoying. I'm not even one NS year old and I know francoism better than he does :joy:
[1:55 PM] Omega: I have avoided NSGP so much I don't really know Francoism, I just know Cormac doesn't know it.
[2:08 PM] Ark: Very few modern day NSers understand original or current Francoism, and even fewer understand both.
[2:54 PM] Ark: @here progress report.
I know articles are being written.
Have we made any progress as far as voter recruitment goes?
[2:54 PM] Doperland: Has anyone talked to C.S. Colbert?
[2:55 PM] Ark: No, I haven't even seen him post once here.
[2:55 PM] Ark: Oh wait is he even in this server?
[2:55 PM] Ark: @Ike get him in here fam
[2:57 PM] Ike: hey
[2:57 PM] Ike: hey
[2:57 PM] Ike: I'm here
[2:57 PM] Omega: Wait why do we want him?
[2:58 PM] Ike: I've been watching the parole hearing
[2:58 PM] Ike: What did I miss
[2:58 PM] Ike: Is Cormac getting into an argument over Francoist doctrine
[2:58 PM] Ark: Of course he is
[2:58 PM] Ark: He's also called several people Userites in the last couple of days
[2:59 PM] Ark: Is anyone else getting the sense that LWU is eerily quiet right now?
[2:59 PM] Ark: Like, planning-their-coup kind of quiet.
[3:00 PM] Omega: Dumb question: what is a userite?
[3:00 PM] Ike: Well
[3:00 PM] Ike: The general idea is that a userite is someone who advances the interests of other regions, or himself, in a GCR
[3:00 PM] Ark: From francoist ideology: a nations that seeks to manipulate GCRs for their own gain
[3:00 PM] Ark: Yeah
[3:00 PM] Ike: As opposed to a feederite, who is dedicated to the region and the region only
[3:01 PM] Ark: And/or the betterment of GCRs as a whole
[3:01 PM] Ike: I think we should consider a recall effort against KK
[3:01 PM] Ark: Not a bad idea.
[3:01 PM] Ike: On the basis that he is illegally trying to occupy the office of Prelate
[3:01 PM] Ike: And is not trustworthy to hold up Lazarene sovereignty
[3:01 PM] Ark: ^
[3:01 PM] Ark: But seriously
[3:02 PM] Ark: Is it just me or does this feel vaguely like a calm before a storm :stuck_out_tongue:
[3:02 PM] Ike: It is, certainly
[3:02 PM] Doperland: It does. It is really quiet
[3:02 PM] Ike: The last three days have been a rapid buildup of tension, but only tension
[3:03 PM] Ike: It's going to boil over soon
[3:03 PM] Ark: My guess
[3:03 PM] Ark: Funk is currently measuring whether or not couping is worth it.
[3:03 PM] Ark: And I'm willing to bet, just like everyone else does, he's gonna decide that it is. :stuck_out_tongue:
[3:04 PM] Ike: I don't know if Cormac drumming up coup support in GP is enough to convince Funk that it's worth it
[3:04 PM] Ike: Very few people are actually backing him right now
[3:04 PM] Ark: I've heard more than just Cormac backing a coup on his part
[3:05 PM] Ike: Hm?
[3:05 PM] Ark: Some friends have poked me that other Raider leaders are supporting a Funk coup.
[3:06 PM] Ark: And tbh
[3:06 PM] Ark: Cormac has a natural tendency to talk about coups right before they happen :stuck_out_tongue:
[3:07 PM] Ike: Nothing they can try that we can't try to. Are there any raider/independent groups that we think we should solicit the support of?
[3:07 PM] Ike: It seems to be only LWU and maybe some Hawks that would be backing this
[3:07 PM] Ike: Everyone else is open season
[3:07 PM] Ark: The Roman Empire may be on our side if I can convince Fest and Kleo
[3:07 PM] Ike: Do it
[3:08 PM] Ike: And bring me in if you need backup
[3:08 PM] Ike: They're cunts sometimes but they're not stupid
[3:08 PM] Ike: TRE support would mean everything
[3:08 PM] Ike: And hell, if it does anything for Fest, ring up Leah for once :stuck_out_tongue:
[3:09 PM] Ark: lol
[3:10 PM] Ark: I think Wintercrest will support us.
[3:10 PM] Ike: Good
[3:10 PM] Ike: Hey could you do me a favor and find the DefenderCon or whatever OP?
[3:10 PM] Ike: I'm trawling the CO thread rn
[3:11 PM] Ark: Wha
[3:11 PM] Ark: DefenderCon?
[3:11 PM] Ike: Yeah the thing TSP is doing, I forget the name
[3:11 PM] Ike: Their own version of raidercon
[3:11 PM] Kanglia: Hold up
[3:11 PM] Ark: I didn't even know that was a thing lol
[3:11 PM] Ike: lel
[3:11 PM] Kanglia: https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=418892
[3:11 PM] Ike: thanks mate!
[3:11 PM] Kanglia: No problem!
[3:11 PM] Ike: Let's take a look at some of the organizations listed here
[3:12 PM] Ike: See if we can get their support
[3:12 PM] Ike: @thechurchofsatan Think we can get an RRA commitment?
[3:12 PM] Kanglia: Sure you can. SPSF is very likely to help, just off of Roavin & Viet being so high up
[3:13 PM] Ike: Indeed
[3:13 PM] Kanglia: You'll get as many people as I can muster from my groups
[3:13 PM] Ike: Do we have any contacts in the RIA?
[3:13 PM] Kanglia: & probably some that get drafted if need be.
Shiz
[3:13 PM] Kanglia: I can see if Shiz can get more people, I know he'll be in for it, and likely all of LibCord will be involved in helping
[3:14 PM] Ike: That would be fantastic
[3:14 PM] Ike: Do everything you can
[3:14 PM] Kanglia: Yep, it won't have to be much more than likely, everybody in LibCord knows about it & also dislikes Funk(shocker) & are therefore pretty likely to help
[3:15 PM] Ark: Good.
[3:15 PM] Kanglia: It'll just be a thing that they'll need to know when everything is gonna go down. But I'll get everybody I can
[3:15 PM] Ark: Not to mention they are at least somewhat obligated as defenders to help :stuck_out_tongue:
[3:15 PM] Kanglia: "defenders" TGW is up for raiders of the year yanno :stuck_out_tongue:
[3:16 PM] Ark: LOL
[3:16 PM] Ark: if I can't get TRE to pile on us, I'm at least going to try to convince them not to pile on Funkadelia.
[3:16 PM] Ike: Fair enough
[3:17 PM] Ark: I'm really praying that TWP won't butt in. >_>
[3:17 PM] Ark: unless it's to pile on us
[3:17 PM] Ark: :stuck_out_tongue:
[3:18 PM] Ike: Who knows Badger the best out of all of us here?
[3:18 PM] Ark: I just decided to ask Yuno lol
[3:18 PM] Ike: Even if he's part of the wave, we might be able to get a thing or two out of him.
[3:18 PM] Ike: Yeah that's good
[3:19 PM] Ark: I asked her how likely it is that TWPAF will pile on Funk
[3:19 PM] Ark: And I'll go from there.
[3:19 PM] Kanglia: Yuno doesn't run as much if at all with TWPAF anymore iirc, she's helping run SPSF
[3:19 PM] Ark: If we get TWP, then we probably get all their allies.
[3:19 PM] Ike: TWP is quite important
[3:20 PM] Ike: Can you get Yuno to talk to Badger?
[3:20 PM] Ark: Yeah I know @Kanglia, I'm more asking because she knows Badger really well
[3:20 PM] Ark: I'll try
[3:20 PM] Kanglia: Ahhh, makes sense
[3:20 PM] Ark: If we get TWP to at least stay out of it, that means Equilism and Euro will probably follow suit.
[3:21 PM] Ike: Hell, we might even be able to approach Euro for support
[3:21 PM] Kanglia: Mmmm that might be a tiny bit of a stretch.
[3:21 PM] Ark: I know WL pretty well. I'll see what his thoughts are.
[3:21 PM] Ark: Euro is supposedly independent :^)
[3:21 PM] Ike: Hey, think you can get me unbanned from there while you're at it? :stuck_out_tongue:
[3:22 PM] Ark: lol
[3:22 PM] Kanglia: "independent" ha
[3:22 PM] Doperland: Oh, so Lamb has now passed everyone except Funk in endorsements. He's at 189.
[3:22 PM] Ark: This is their chance to prove it.
[3:22 PM] Ark: Damn.
[3:23 PM] Ark: Any evidence of him importing WAs?
[3:23 PM] Ike: Someone get me a check if the mandate forbids telling people to unendorse Guardians?
[3:23 PM] Ark: Didn't we check that yesterday or this morning or something
[3:23 PM] Ike: I know it's illegal for the Delegate
[3:28 PM] Ike: Anyone have TITO ties we can use?
[3:29 PM] Kanglia: I'm kind of friends with Kortexia, There's some TITO in Libcord, they might be with us
[3:29 PM] Ike: Roavin's pointing me to Libcord
[3:30 PM] Ike: We already have Kort on our side, i think
[3:30 PM] Kanglia: Yeah, I'm talking to RD & the other commanders there atm, but if you get Kort, you can likely get a lot of TITO
[3:31 PM] Ike: Kort said he's press the issue with his command
[3:31 PM] Ike: I'll check up on that
[3:31 PM] Kanglia: Sounds good.
[3:39 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): remember badger is inner wolf circle :stuck_out_tongue:
[3:39 PM] Ike: He's involved with LWU?
[3:40 PM] Ark: Holy shit
[3:40 PM] Ark: Check the Laz RMB
[3:40 PM] Ike: My fucking god
[3:40 PM] Ike: A wildcat
[3:41 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): @Ike yes
[3:41 PM] Ark: He's telling people to unendo Funk and the guardians >_>(edited)
[3:41 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): or at least, close friends with Lamb
[3:41 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): awhat
[3:41 PM] Ark: The Laz RMB
[3:41 PM] Ark: Last message
[3:41 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): reading now
[3:42 PM] Ark: He's demanding that Funk and the "opposition" both be unendorsed
[3:43 PM] Ike: the hell is this
[3:43 PM] Ark: I don't even know....
[3:44 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): erm
[3:44 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): can we please tell the randos from TP to shut the hell up
[3:44 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): :stuck_out_tongue:
[3:44 PM] Ark: I mean
[3:44 PM] Ark: I can ask Pergamon to ban him :stuck_out_tongue:
[3:45 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I mean at this point they're basically shooting us and not Funk :stuck_out_tongue:
[3:45 PM] Ark: Well
[3:45 PM] Ark: They coded in funk's nation
[3:45 PM] Ark: But not any of ours
[3:46 PM] Ark: So could be worse :stuck_out_tongue:
[3:46 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): true
[3:47 PM] Curious Observations: Fascinating.
[3:47 PM] Ike: Indeed
[3:49 PM] Kanglia: Holy shit
[3:49 PM] Ike: Maybe the line about unendorsing the opposition was to undermine any potential claim by the regime that we're breaking the law by conspiring to lower the endo count of the Delegate
[3:49 PM] Ike: A bit of a necessary failsafe
[3:50 PM] Kanglia: Possibly
[3:50 PM] Ark: Maybe.
[3:51 PM] Ark: That would explain why he was specific about Funkadelia and vague about the "opposition"
[4:33 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): is Irene/Aguero/Caldariat on our side?
[4:33 PM] Ike: I don't think anyone's talked to him
[4:34 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): We should
[4:34 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): she's a longtimer
[4:34 PM] Atlantica: I don't know if anyone's noticed this, and it's probably nothing, but while looking for the list of nations to endorse and tart I noticed (in Eluvatar's WFE Index) that the link of nations to endorse was removed on April 24th, the same update where the CULT winners are announced. I don't know if Funkadelia did this, but I think that it's worth bringing up just in case it turns out to be important.
[4:34 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): hm
[4:34 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): funk may have removed it to make space(edited)
[4:53 PM] Ike: Anything we can do at this point to move things along? Legislation? Recall efforts?
[4:53 PM] Ike: We might be able to test the waters of our voting power with a token recall of KK or Lamb as guardian
[4:54 PM] Ark: I'm not even sure which would be harder
[4:54 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): let's get Caldariat, Trackeendy, and
[4:54 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Alunya
[4:54 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): if we can
[4:55 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Old World Loyalists if he's still active
[4:56 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): SatanLord, Unified Wakanda
[4:56 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): The13th, Loftegen
[4:56 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): these are the people we need to target
[4:56 PM] Ark: Good idea. @Kanglia and whoever else is on Recruitment ^
[4:56 PM] Ark: @Kanglia
[4:56 PM] Kanglia: 10-4
[4:57 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): what about escade? is she even participating at all?
[4:57 PM] Ark: I don't really know yet.
[4:57 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): +dyr and izon
[4:57 PM] Ike: We can probably get Escade
[4:57 PM] Ike: And apparently The13th is a sympathizer with reservations
[4:57 PM] Ike: Trackeendy would be greatly useful, someone get in contact with him
[4:58 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I can
[4:58 PM] Ark: Trackeendy annoys me a tad but agreed
[4:58 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): why? :stuck_out_tongue:
[4:58 PM] Ike: he's useful :stuck_out_tongue:
[4:58 PM] Ark: Like I said, "Agreed"
[5:17 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): 30 minutes ago: The Divine Chief-King of Mundunugu departed this region for Kiwa.
31 minutes ago: The Divine Chief-King of Mundunugu was refounded.
[5:17 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): that's lamb
[5:17 PM] Ike: Hm
[5:17 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): so he's online and just ignoring laz
[5:18 PM] Ike: Alright
[5:19 PM] Ike: Let's put our thinking caps on here
[5:19 PM] Ike: Of all the legislative actions we can take that will benefit our cause
[5:19 PM] Ike: What can we do right now that will be the easiest to pass, and get the most support?
[5:21 PM] Ike: @here
[5:25 PM] Ark: Not sure. Delegate Election vote is still high priority to me.
[5:25 PM] Ike: Yeah, but that's weeks away
[5:25 PM] Ike: We're looking for the now
[5:26 PM] Ark: The elections are, but not the proposal to make them gameside. >_>
[5:26 PM] Ark: And I still think that's one of the few ways we can even the playing field.
[5:26 PM] Ike: Alright
[5:26 PM] Ike: Let's go over this then
[5:26 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): remove Lamb?
[5:26 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): recruit, really
[5:26 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I've DMed Track
[5:27 PM] Ark: Remove lamb and EW will be a bitch.
[5:27 PM] Ark: If I had to pick one I'd say Lamb, but still
[5:27 PM] Ike: What kind of bitch?\
[5:27 PM] Ark: The annoyingly difficult kind. >_>
[5:27 PM] Ike: Luckily, he doesn't have any kind of position of power right now under the law aside from guardian :wink:
[5:28 PM] Ark: Yeah
[5:28 PM] Ike: But at the same time, KK has more influence than Lamb
[5:28 PM] Ike: So if he's removed as guardian, what does that mean compared to if we did Lamb?
[5:29 PM] Ark: Removing KK will be incredibly difficult. He's a four-time Delegate.
[5:29 PM] Ark: But if we do, then we need to force down his endos.
[5:29 PM] Ike: True, Lamb is much less publicly respected/trusted
[5:29 PM] Ark: Or even force him to drop WA
[5:30 PM] Ark: That would neutralize his in-game Influence.
[5:30 PM] Wintermoot: How about focusing on cultural instead of legislative stuff? Build some goodwill with neutrals and show us building a region (unlike the other side).
[5:30 PM] Ark: We have @Atlantica working that front.
[5:30 PM] Ike: ^
[5:30 PM] Ike: We're good on culture
[5:30 PM] Ike: We're the single most active bloc of players right now
[5:31 PM] Ark: Mhm.
[5:32 PM] Wintermoot: It's something everyone should be involved in to some extent.
[5:32 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): That's what I'm trying to do on the RMB
[5:32 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): others should too
[5:32 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): We need to do two things right now:
[5:32 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): - Recruitment
[5:32 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): - Culture, region-building
[5:32 PM] Ike: Is Courlany on Discord?
[5:32 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): no
[5:32 PM] Wintermoot: Agreed
[5:32 PM] Ike: He has a shit ton of influence
[5:33 PM] Ike: If we got him here he'd be very useful
[5:33 PM] Ike: I'm gonna try and recruit him
[5:33 PM] Ark: We need to do those things, but they're not first priority right now imho.
[5:33 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): @Ike please TG him
[5:33 PM] Wintermoot: What is higher priority right at the moment?
[5:33 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Ark, yes they are.
[5:33 PM] Ike: On it
[5:35 PM] Ark: Higher priority? Preparing for Funk to coup. Continuing being a thorn in his side. Drafting legislation NOW so we can put it out later when we need it.
[5:35 PM] Ike:

[5:35 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): We can't do anything with legislation if we don't have numbers
[5:35 PM] Ike: ^ this good?
[5:35 PM] Ike: @Somyrion (Aumelodia) We should at least test our numbers and see if we have any legislative clout in the face of the votebots
[5:35 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): looks good
[5:36 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): true
[5:36 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): we seem to have around 1 vote lead
[5:36 PM] Wintermoot: Prepare, sure, but focusing on the people will be better than focusing on Funk
[5:36 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): ^
[5:36 PM] Ark: You make it sound like it's difficult.
[5:36 PM] Ark: Just post on the RMB and Discord, and get involved with Atl's RP.
[5:36 PM] Ark: I put the more difficult tasks as first priority.
[5:37 PM] Wintermoot: lol, if it were that easy every region would be booming withi activity
[5:37 PM] Ark: Right now? It not that difficult to present the view that we are the active bloc.
[5:37 PM] Ark: :stuck_out_tongue:
[5:37 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): what's the word on loftegen?
[5:37 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): not just the view, the actual thing :stuck_out_tongue:
[5:37 PM] Ike: Have we reached out to him?
[5:38 PM] Ark: I haven't.
[5:38 PM] Ark: That's more a recruitment thing.
[5:38 PM] Ark: And we can tackle multiple things at once, people.
[5:38 PM] Ike: Do you think it's a good idea to ask for endos on the RMB, or is that too direct?
[5:39 PM] Ike: Like "hey I'm trying to get my influence up, endo pls"
[5:39 PM] Ark: Ike and I and Somy can tackle legislation, one thing at a time. Wintermoot, if you want to help, then talk to Atlántica and Svez about fostering goodwill and activity.
[5:39 PM] Ark: @Ike it might look kinda lame but not illegal :stuck_out_tongue:
[5:40 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I just said "lots of endorsements \o/" to let people know I was in the WA :stuck_out_tongue:
[5:40 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Ike's good with recruitment, he should help with that too
[5:40 PM] Ike: I've still got Amerion's stamps
[5:42 PM] Ark: Don't use them yet.
[5:43 PM] Ark: @Ike the stamps should be saved for the elections if we can make them go gameside voting.
[5:43 PM] Ike: good point
[5:43 PM] Ark: And
[5:43 PM] Ark: If funk coups
[5:43 PM] Ark: We will need those stamps.
[5:43 PM] Ark: To run unendorsement campaigns against him.
[5:44 PM] Ike: Indeed
[5:44 PM] Wintermoot: I gotta go, but I want to reiterate something...we need to be for something as much as we need to be against Funk. I'm thinking of some things we can do on the forums and I'll try to get something going this weekend, but I hope everyone will also lead here. Shouldn't just be left to a few people.
[5:44 PM] Wintermoot: In any case, cyall xD
[5:45 PM] Ark: o/
[5:46 PM] Curious Observations: A guardian recall of Killer Kitty is very, very unlikely to pass, given how long he has been in Lazarus.
[5:46 PM] Ike: indeed
[5:47 PM] Curious Observations: Furthermore, a Guardian recall in general will be hard. There will be the expectation that reasons are presented why an individual shall no longer be permitted to hold high endorsement high influence nations.
[5:47 PM] Curious Observations: The argument "Lamb is a cuck" (worded better, of course) won't fly.(edited)
[5:48 PM] Ark: Indeed.
[5:48 PM] Ike: I have a better one
[5:48 PM] Ike: "Lamb is a cucc"
[5:48 PM] Curious Observations: Loftegen was pushed out because Funkadelia was able to make the case that Loftegen abused his powers as Guardian.
[5:48 PM] Ike: That's because he kinda did
[5:48 PM] Ark: ^
[5:49 PM] Curious Observations: I acknowledge that temporarily promoting the "Kekistani Republic of Lazarus" for a few hours was not the smoothest possible move but in no way was it reminiscent of an actual coup or the region put into any sort of danger.
[5:50 PM] Curious Observations: Consider also that Loftegen has always, even during PRL times, been a thorn in the side of those in the Delegacy because he is a very effective tarter.
[5:50 PM] Ark: Sounds like he may be useful then.
[5:50 PM] Ark: Inb4 this is Loftegen(edited)
[5:50 PM] Ike: Jesus, never thought we'd be wanting Loft back
[5:51 PM] Ike: This is like that part in Thor when Loki gloats how they're all crawling back to him
[5:51 PM] Ark: lol
[5:51 PM] Curious Observations: Roavin made a good point the other day - it was irresponsible from a security standpoint to remove Loftegen as Guardian. As the best tarter, he is sure to hold the high influence and high endorsement count expected of a Guardian, and keeps the Delegate on their toes to tart enough as well.
[5:52 PM] Ark: Indeed.
[5:52 PM] Curious Observations: Also, "Indeed." is a common phrase in this chat. :laughing:
[5:52 PM] Ark: Glad to see you're actively contributing to the discussion here, btw
[5:52 PM] Ike: Forsooth!
[5:52 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I really want Alunya for Guardian :stuck_out_tongue:
[5:52 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): "Agreed" is mine
[5:53 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): or "very true"
[5:53 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): mostly "mhm"
[5:53 PM] Ike: Sometimes I say Aye
[5:53 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Aye, I use that way too much :p
[5:53 PM] Curious Observations: Ark, I check in occasionally and spout a few words of faux wisdom, but really it is you all here that are doing the thinking and some very incredible work.
[5:54 PM] Ark: Much appreciated. Though your thread has done a lot for the movement.
[5:55 PM] Curious Observations: It riled up Cormac. I'm not sure if that's positive. :weary:
[5:55 PM] Ark: Basically pushed it into the limelight.
[5:55 PM] Ark: lol
[5:55 PM] Ark: Well
[5:55 PM] Ark: It's helping now.
[5:55 PM] Ike: Always a positive.
[5:55 PM] Ark: Cormac is pushing funk to coup
[5:56 PM] Curious Observations: A coup will be a very, very difficult fight.
[5:57 PM] Ark: Not as difficult as fighting the legal system.
[5:58 PM] Curious Observations: Roavin says he has a few tricks up his sleeve, but he has never fought a GCR coup. Those are a bit different and bigger than the normal liberations he runs.
[5:58 PM] Curious Observations: Besides, Roavin tends to be a romantic optimist anyway.
[5:59 PM] Curious Observations: What I mean to say is that his gung-ho approach should be taken with a grain of salt.
[6:10 PM] Ike: Which is why we need as much support as possible.
[6:10 PM] Ike: Anyone talked to TNP at all lately? NPA is a pretty solid force
[6:13 PM] Ark: So they say :stuck_out_tongue:
[6:13 PM] Ike: They sure made a difference in December
[6:13 PM] Ark: And I haven't. Because tbh if I ask they'll probably pile on funk
[6:13 PM] Ark: lol
[6:13 PM] Ike: You think?
[6:14 PM] Ark: It was an exaggeration, but they sure as hell aren't fans of mine.
[6:23 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Track says he's concerned but likes Funk.
[6:23 PM] Ike: Have you shown him the clear evidence? The part with the electoral fraud?
[6:23 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): which evidence?
[6:23 PM] Ike: The illegal confirmation of KK
[6:24 PM] Svezjacael: I have had an infiltrator in TNP for a while, but it's gone inactive. I could work on rebirthing it and asking about its involvement if needed.
[6:24 PM] Ike: Isn't that unnecessarily shady? We could just ask outright unless there's a reason to go covert
[6:25 PM] Svezjacael: I'm only suggesting it because it has TNP ties currently, albeit old and defunct.
[6:57 PM] Ark: I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say the less covert ops involved here, the better.
[6:57 PM] Ike: Indeed
[6:57 PM] Ike: We're keeping this quick and clean
[6:58 PM] Ark: Too much to remember, tbh. D:
[6:58 PM] Ark: @Ike kinky.
[6:58 PM] Ike: >.>
[7:01 PM] Omega: Do we expect Atlantica to be removed from the Cabinet?
[7:01 PM] Ark: Not until he gets as mean as I was.
[7:01 PM] Ike: I wouldn't expect it at this point
[7:01 PM] Ark: :stuck_out_tongue:
[7:01 PM] Ark: ^
[7:01 PM] Ark: I hurt funk's feelings obviously.
[7:01 PM] Ike: And it's best if he doesn't resign, or else it's obstruction for the sake of obstruction. We need to present ourselves as legitimate
[7:01 PM] Ark: Yeah
[7:02 PM] Ike: Accomplishing things in the role of Culture minister proves our dedication
[7:02 PM] Omega: I agree
[7:02 PM] Omega: What could culture do?
[7:02 PM] Ike: Mostly organizing roleplays, creating lore
[7:05 PM] Ark: If we actually have a 1 vote lead on funk, then we need to widen the gap.
[7:09 PM] Ike: @Somyrion (Aumelodia) Did you factor Vapid into the chart?
[7:09 PM] Ark: And Svez ^
[7:12 PM] Ark: Also @Svezjacael make sure to ping everyone here when you put something up to vote. That way we can get the jump on the others.
[7:12 PM] Svezjacael: Aah. Understood, can and will do.
[7:13 PM] Ark: o>
[7:13 PM] Ark: @Somyrion (Aumelodia) we need to widen the hell outta that vote gap.
[7:16 PM] Ark: Also we need someone to get in touch with Loft.
[7:16 PM] Ark: Like ASAP
[7:16 PM] Ike: I'll do it
[7:16 PM] Ark: Okay, good.
[7:17 PM] Ark: So anyone we can get from neutral to Union, let's do it.
[7:17 PM] Ike: aye
[7:18 PM] Ark: Just a couple more votes and we have a majority, yeah?
[7:18 PM] Ark: 25/48
[7:44 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Caldariat - No contact
Trackeendy - In contact, hesitant but leaning Union
Alunya - No contact
OWL - No contact
SatanLord - No contact
Unified Wakanda - No contact
The13th - In contact, leaning Union but needs more convincing
Loftegen - No contact
[7:45 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): let's get this all to "Full union"
[7:45 PM] Ark: Yeah
[8:11 PM] Ike: Who wants to talk to Caldariat?
[8:12 PM] Ike:

[8:12 PM] Ike: Another one.
[8:17 PM] Ark: That one is endoing all the people it's supposed to
[8:17 PM] Ike: I know
[8:17 PM] Ike: But it might be because there's nothing to lose for their side in doing so, they can unendorse at whim
[8:20 PM] Ark: True.
[8:24 PM] Atlantica: https://www.nationstates.net/nation=asuka_sakamoto Was founded 21 hours ago and is tarting
[8:24 PM] Vapid: refounded or founded?
[8:24 PM] Ark: These are security worries, yes, but not actionable.
[8:25 PM] Ike: Founded
[8:25 PM] Atlantica: What's interesting is that they hopped from several regions before arriving in Lazarus, so someone's clearly trying to cover their tracks(edited)
[8:26 PM] Ike: In order to look like a TWI immigrant
[8:26 PM] Ike: Does the law say anything about the endo limit for non-citizens?
[8:26 PM] Ike: We can nail them if there's something
[8:28 PM] Omega: Yes it does
[8:30 PM] Ark: What's it say?
[8:31 PM] Amerion: CMA, Universal Declaration of Rights
[8:32 PM] Omega:

[8:32 PM] Amerion: (4) All worlds or nations shall be permitted to maintain the following endorsements counts:
A. 80 WA endorsement count for residents.
B. 100 WA endorsement count for nations endorsing the Sovereign.
C. 20 WA endorsements or more below Defender of the Realm for citizens by forum application or extended residency.
[8:32 PM] Omega: 100 for those endorsing the sovereign
[8:32 PM] Ike: Ooh, that's tricky.
[8:32 PM] Omega: Yeah it is
[8:32 PM] Ike: "worlds or nations"
[8:32 PM] Omega: Love our laws
[8:35 PM] Ark: My Laz pup is at 97 endorsements and I'm not endorsing funk :stuck_out_tongue:
[8:35 PM] Ike: Endorse funk
[8:35 PM] Ark: Living on the edge, I am.
[8:35 PM] Ike: Or else he has justification to ban you.
[8:35 PM] Ark: Yeah I will
[8:39 PM] Omega: Yeah you need to asap
[8:39 PM] Omega: If he realizes what that law says you could be in trouble (although the ULC doesn't allow for enforcement of that....)
[8:40 PM] Ike: @here If anyone has 80 or more endorsements, or are approaching it, make sure to endorse Funk, it would be illegal not to
[8:40 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): what's dope's count?
[8:40 PM] Ark: Idk
[8:41 PM] Ike: 187
[8:41 PM] Ark: Is Lamb too close?
[8:41 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): couldn't 20 or more below mean you can have 167 if you're a citizen?
[8:41 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): he's a guardian
[8:41 PM] Ark: Ah
[8:42 PM] Ark: He Shouldn't have more though, right?
[8:42 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): technically not
[8:42 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): but Dope has been low since forever
[8:42 PM] Ike: Which means we can all tart to high hell
[8:43 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I'm up to 25 endos
[8:43 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): endorsed everyone in the region since this afternoon
[8:43 PM] Ark: Nice.
[8:43 PM] Ark: You'll get a bunch. Every day
[9:00 PM] Andrew: hav we won yet?
[9:00 PM] Ike: lol
[9:00 PM] Ike: no
[9:00 PM] Andrew: ffs
[9:00 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): so NR just showed up in Laz server
[9:00 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): prays for him to come back
[9:01 PM] Amerion: :heart:
[9:02 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): @Andrew is your WA in use somewhere?
[9:02 PM] Amerion: @Somyrion (Aumelodia) u on a computer atm?
[9:03 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): yep
[9:03 PM] Andrew: yes and no.
[9:03 PM] Andrew: its just sitting in TNP gathering endos
[9:03 PM] Amerion: Can u check how much SPDR I have? -https://www.nationstates.net/nation=amerion
[9:03 PM] Andrew: but it has a lot of endos
[9:04 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): 65,259
[9:04 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): 5th in the region
[9:04 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): ah, okay
[9:04 PM] Amerion: Sad
[9:04 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): If you're willing to bring it to Lazarus that'd be great but I can't impress anything upon you
[9:05 PM] Andrew: u want me to tart?
[9:05 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): yeah
[9:05 PM] Andrew: y
[9:06 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): @Amerion I think you have the 2nd most regional influence though
[9:06 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): because there are 3 people at the top of the Laz list who have influence gathered from other places
[9:07 PM] Ike: It's important if Funk goes all out on us, aka coup
[9:08 PM] Andrew: i see
[9:08 PM] Andrew: but wont me suddenly starting to tart kinda giv it away?
[9:09 PM] Ike: It doesn't matter at this point, it's not like Funk is trying to hide his import votes
[9:10 PM] Ike: You have every right to as a former delelgate
[9:10 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I just started tarting :p
[9:11 PM] Andrew: k
[9:31 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): cokeland's cit's accepted
[9:31 PM] Ike: He's a defender
[9:31 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): should we get him in here?
[9:31 PM] Ike: Ehhhhhhhhh
[9:31 PM] Kanglia: Ehhhhhhh
[9:32 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): okay ;p
[9:33 PM] Amerion: Ehh
[9:33 PM] Amerion: :blush:
[9:33 PM] Ike: We should try and get The13th in here
[9:33 PM] Ike: Even if he's hesitant, we could use him
[9:33 PM] Ike: @Somyrion (Aumelodia) @Ark I've reconsidered and I'm fully behind your plan to change the voting system
[9:34 PM] Ike: More and more cronies are getting in, we have to take action soon
[9:34 PM] Ark: Sweet.
[9:34 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Okay
[9:34 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): time to write then
[9:34 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): @Ike I can give him the link if you want
[9:34 PM] Ike: Sure thing
[9:34 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): http://s15.zetaboards.com/NSLazarus/topic/10256491/1/#new very odd
[9:35 PM] Ike: Time for some grilling.
[9:35 PM] Ike: In other news, Constie was accepted
[9:35 PM] Ike: He seems to be pretty clearly on our side, but we all know how he is. Thoughts?
[9:35 PM] Amerion: Finallt
[9:36 PM] Ike: Y'all wanna get our newcomer RAS on this too?
[9:37 PM] Ike: @Somyrion (Aumelodia) You think I should ask Asuka in the thread about her region hopping?
[9:37 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): we should try and get him in soon
[9:37 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): yeah
[9:39 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): the other thing we really need, tbh, is evidence on Funk
[9:39 PM] Amerion: Let's not be too rash. I wouldn't put it above LWU to send spies
[9:39 PM] Ike: We aren't gonna get any confession from him and infiltration efforts are... unviable at this point
[9:40 PM] Amerion: How so?
[9:40 PM] Ike: It's not as easy as you think to masquerade on another forum :stuck_out_tongue:
[9:41 PM] Amerion: Unless anyone of us can view IP addresses?
[9:41 PM] Ike: !
[9:41 PM] Ike: Fucking bingo right there
[9:41 PM] Ike: You've just given me an idea
[9:41 PM] Amerion: Oh, do tell :blush:
[9:42 PM] Ike: Well, if any of us have access to the IP addresses of our users
[9:42 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I can see IPs >.>
[9:42 PM] Ike: Precisely
[9:42 PM] Ike: We might be able to find IP links on other forums connected to identities
[9:42 PM] Vapid: I can see dead people
[9:42 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): oh my
[9:43 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): @Ike what do you mean?
[9:43 PM] Amerion: How do we get their IPs on other forums?  @Ike
[9:43 PM] Ike: Some have them publicly visible to all users. That's how we found out 95 Block was masquerading as James Locksley
[9:44 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I've never seen a forum that has them public o.O
[9:44 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): best way is to ask the owners
[9:44 PM] Ike: KGB does, or did in the fall
[9:45 PM] Amerion: @Somyrion (Aumelodia) can u compile a list of all IP addresses? We can distribute them to our sympathisers and see if they find anything through their networks
[9:55 PM] Vapid: Seems shifty to me
[9:55 PM] Vapid: I wouldn't want my IP address being known to everyone
[9:55 PM] Amerion: Ayyy
[9:55 PM] Amerion: True
[9:55 PM] Ike: Mm
[9:55 PM] Amerion: Poorly thought out on my part
[9:55 PM] Amerion: In any case, I'm off to endotart
[9:56 PM] Amerion: I wonder what's Lamb being doing
[9:56 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): yeah I'm not about to give out IP logs to everyone :p
[9:58 PM] Ike: Perhaps we should collectively issue a request for Funk to tell us what the hell he's doing
[10:02 PM] Vapid: If you want to target specific individuals, and double check their ip with other regions
[10:03 PM] Vapid: That's fine, I think
[10:03 PM] Vapid: just don't post lists
[10:03 PM] Ike: That's the intentino
[10:04 PM] Amerion: Do we know Cormac's ip?
[10:08 PM] Ike: Not his current one at the present moment but Kemi might be able to help
[10:12 PM] Ark: Kemi lol
[10:15 PM] Ike: Hey, she's really useful when she needs to be
[10:17 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): What even happened to kemi? >.>
[10:17 PM] Ike: Xoriet put out some slander and got her banned from a lot of regions
[10:17 PM] Ike: She stepped back from NS but we still talk a lot
[10:20 PM] Ark: Ouch. I like Kemi :frowning:
[10:20 PM] Ike: Yeah, she gets a bad rap
[10:21 PM] Ark: I don't really know Xoriet but I've heard she's been involved in a lot of drama.
[10:21 PM] Vapid: Kemi was my first raider buddy
[10:21 PM] Ike: She has.
[10:21 PM] Ike: I didn't like Kemi until I met her, now we're pretty close
[10:22 PM] Omega: TSP should have his IP
[10:23 PM] Omega: Not me but people there
[10:23 PM] Ike: Roavin might
[10:25 PM] Ark: I've always nominally liked Kemi
[10:25 PM] Ark: She got me interested in NS history.
[10:25 PM] Omega: Glen or Tsu would for sure
[10:25 PM] Amerion: I like wit, is Kemi witty?
[10:25 PM] Ike: Sometimes
[10:25 PM] Ike: She's... interesting.
[10:26 PM] Amerion: Interesting is good ...
[10:26 PM] Vapid: Kemi is like an aussie yuno
[10:26 PM] Ike: Yeah
[10:26 PM] Amerion: :open_mouth:
[10:26 PM] Ike: And with five times the issues
[10:26 PM] Amerion: An Aussie!
[10:26 PM] Vapid: Also, Knot hates her for some reason
[10:26 PM] Amerion: Which city?
[10:26 PM] Ike: Sydney
[10:26 PM] Amerion: :open_mouth: I'm Melbourne
[10:26 PM] Ike: A lot of people hate her because she has good intentions
[10:27 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Amerion has found his brethren
[10:27 PM] Vapid: Wetwork from TBH is also an aussie :stuck_out_tongue:
[10:27 PM] Amerion: Indeedo
[10:27 PM] Ike: And Avakael!
[10:27 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Amerion likes Kemi henceforth and forever unconditionally
[10:27 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Forest's founder is an aussie :stuck_out_tongue:
[10:27 PM] Amerion: Australians are zeee best. Everyone should like us
[10:27 PM] Vapid: I just remembered
[10:27 PM] Vapid: so is TBH's founder
[10:27 PM] Vapid: Red Back
[10:27 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Melbourne too iirc
[10:29 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): so Kemi....
[10:29 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): how would she help?
[10:30 PM] Ike: She's good with this kind of stuff, lotta technical knowledge
[10:30 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): ah
[10:30 PM] Ike: and told me she has some of Cormac's old IPs lying aroudn
[10:30 PM] Ike: She'll provide them when she's out of school
[10:30 PM] Ike: @Amerion What time is it?
[10:30 PM] Vapid: hammer time
[10:31 PM] Amerion: I'm in Malaysia atm, it's 10:31am atm @Ike
[10:31 PM] Ike: lmao right
[10:32 PM] Ike: that explains the temples
[10:32 PM] Amerion: Haha yeh, on holiday
[10:32 PM] Ike: Well obviously it's late morning-early afternoon in Sydney :stuck_out_tongue:
[10:32 PM] Ark: The hell do we need Cormac's IP for?
[10:32 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): ^
[10:32 PM] Vapid: Suspicions the new guy might be cormac
[10:32 PM] Ark: Ah.
[10:32 PM] Ark: That would be funny.
[10:32 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): oh
[10:33 PM] Amerion: If it is, it'll be interesting ... Cormac is PNG right now
[10:33 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Kemi has old Cormac IPs lying around?
[10:33 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): She should do a yard sale
[10:33 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): bring em out of the attic
[10:33 PM] Amerion: Anyways, off to do touristy stuff, cya yall
[10:33 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): better yet, an auction
[10:33 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): seeya
[10:33 PM] Ark: Lmao Somy
[10:33 PM] Ike: It would be quite consequential, that's for sure
[10:34 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): "2015 Cormac IP, good condition, lightly used mainly during third Osiris stage..... going once..."
[10:35 PM] Ark: looool
[10:36 PM] Ark: Oh god this guy is tooooootallly BSing
[10:36 PM] Ike: Hm?
[10:36 PM] Ark: I dunno why you think it's Cormac but it sure as shit is someone
[10:37 PM] Ike: How do you know?
[10:37 PM] Ike: And I just think someone is Cormac, it would make sense if he tried to infiltrate us
[10:37 PM] Ark: Because internal is my job? :stuck_out_tongue:
[10:37 PM] Ark: *security
[10:38 PM] Ark: And sniffing out spies is generally a good skill
[10:38 PM] Vapid: I would advise a pre-emptive coup while we have the upper hand.
[10:38 PM] Ike: We don't have the upper hand, and performing a coup loses us legitimacy at this point
[10:38 PM] Vapid: Normally I wouldn't advise something so rash(edited)
[10:38 PM] Ark: No couping.
[10:38 PM] Ike: We need to continue to build up foreign support and recognition before we can risk it
[10:39 PM] Ike: And I see it as a last resort against an enemy that has won through legal technicality and doesn't need to coup
[10:42 PM] Ark: Shooting first is off the table.
[10:42 PM] Ike: ^
[10:42 PM] Omega: I agree
[10:42 PM] Omega: We are not Han
[10:43 PM] Vapid: :stuck_out_tongue:
[10:43 PM] Vapid: Fair enough
[10:43 PM] Vapid: But funk's already trying some shady stuff
[10:45 PM] Ark: He is, but we have little choice in the matter.
[10:46 PM] Ark: If we even try to coup before there is undeniable evidence of Funk couping or planning a coup, there goes ALL of our foreign support.
[10:46 PM] Ike: If there is undeniable evidence, we can go legal first, and if that don't work, we have the plan laid out for us.
[10:46 PM] Ark: Yep.
[10:52 PM] Lenlyvit:




[10:52 PM] Lenlyvit: Anyone else think these are odd?
[10:55 PM] Ark: They're all odd.
[10:59 PM] Pherttsylvania: I think they're catching on and just making it seem like the new arrivals are endorsing all the guardians and not just showing up for Funk, Lamb, and Wolf
[11:00 PM] Ike: Indeed
[11:00 PM] Pherttsylvania: Everyone is aware everyone is watching
[11:01 PM] Pherttsylvania: I do wonder what Lamb is up to since he's been avoiding Lazarus since the proclamation was issued
[11:01 PM] Ike: We should ask
[11:01 PM] Pherttsylvania: lol
[11:01 PM] Ike: Press publicly as to where the hell he is
[11:01 PM] Ike: #WhereIsLamb
[11:01 PM] Ike: #LambOnTheRun
[11:01 PM] Ark: lol
[11:02 PM] Ark: #LambontheLam
[11:02 PM] Ike: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
[11:02 PM] Pherttsylvania: get some tags trending lol
[11:02 PM] Ike: We can make our own parody sonng
[11:02 PM] Ike: Lamb On The Run
[11:02 PM] Ike: Lamb on the run, you coup and everybody comes, a-piling
[11:06 PM] Pherttsylvania: well its 11PM here, so I should get to bed so I'm not tired and pissy tomorrow
[11:06 PM] Ike: of course :stuck_out_tongue:
[11:06 PM] Pherttsylvania: good night all
[11:07 PM] Ark: Night.
[11:11 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?p=32179089#p32179089
[11:11 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Also
[11:11 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Please post a lamb song
[11:11 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Guardian piece #3
[11:11 PM] Ike: YES
[11:12 PM] Ike: will write
[11:12 PM] Amerion: Hahaha
[11:14 PM] Ike: Or maybe "Dear Prudence" by the Beatles
[11:14 PM] Ike: Dear Lamb Stone, won't you come out to play
[11:14 PM] Ike: Dear Lamb Stone, greet the brand new day
[11:14 PM] Ike: The sun is up, the sky is blue, it's beautiful, and so are you
[11:14 PM] Ike: dear lamb stone
[11:15 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Lol
[11:16 PM] Ike: Give me a clever album title
[11:17 PM] Vapid: Rubber Spine
[11:17 PM] Ike: I'm thinking Sgt. Milo's Lonely Hearts Coup Band
[11:17 PM] Ike: heh
[11:24 PM] Ike: Chairman Milo's Lonely Hearts Coup Band
[11:25 PM] Ike: featuring songs like Let's Coup Again (featuring Chubby Chaser)
[11:25 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I like it
[11:26 PM] Vapid: If you do something with elvis, "You ain't nothing but a lone wolf"
[11:38 PM] Ike: @Somyrion (Aumelodia)
[11:38 PM] Ike: Got those IPs?
[11:38 PM] Ike: Kemi came around
[11:38 PM] Ike: It's almost certainly dynamic but worth a shot
[11:40 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Okay
[11:41 PM] Omega: I feel like we are nearing TGW level shitposting.
[11:41 PM] Ike: That's a good thing.
[11:42 PM] Vapid: I'll tone it down if we can avoid that >->
[11:42 PM] Omega: Do I need to highlight once again in GP that this is not about R/D this is about respect for the laws.
[11:42 PM] Ike: Of course
[11:48 PM] Ike: 1. Chairman Milo's Lonely Hearts Coup Band
2. A Little Help From My Friends
3. Lamb On The Run
4. Let's Coup Again (featuring Chubby Chaser)
5. Mr. Voter Fraud Man
6. A Hard Funk's A-Gonna Fall
7. Lamb Of Constant Sorrow
8. Take Me Home, Raider Roads
9. Lone Wolf Strut
[11:50 PM] Omega: Read this before I post:
Once again, as a non-aligned individual, I would like ot highlight that this is about, and has only ever been about, respect for the laws. If the leadership of a region has lost respect for the laws and respect for democracy then protest is merited. I have seen no evidence pointing to a defender conspiracy to put Lazarus back in the defender column, but I have seen our leadership in Lazarus willingly and intentionally undermine our democracy and by extension our laws and Courts. This is not about if Lazarus raids or if Lazarus defends, this is about if Lazarus is a region of laws and democracy where the leadership must answer to an engaged population or if Lazarus is a region of lawlessness and an oligarchy propped by people who are only there to vote in lockstep with the leadership.
[11:50 PM] Ike: Perfect.
[11:51 PM] Omega: I love doing this. I feel like I can stay more sensible than GP at times.
[11:51 PM] Omega: Although that's probably not saying much.
July 21, 2017
[12:45 AM] Ike: @here https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=418902&p=32180730#p32180730
[12:45 AM] Ike: :heart:
[12:47 AM] Omega: Is it a dispatch yet?
[12:47 AM] Ike: Does it need to be? :stuck_out_tongue:
[12:47 AM] Omega: I mean duh
[12:47 AM] Omega: #TLGTakesDispartchLeaderBoard
[12:47 AM] Ike: true :smile:
[12:50 AM] Ike: @here https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=857039 Upvote squadron GO
[12:51 AM] Omega: Is it cheating if I upvote with all of my puppets?
[12:51 AM] Ike: No idea, best ask a mod or look in the subforum
[12:51 AM] Vapid: It's not(edited)
[12:51 AM] Vapid: but you won't get far
[12:51 AM] Vapid: The game can detect it
[12:52 AM] Vapid: and it'll delete your previous upvotes
[12:52 AM] Vapid: and only allow you one
[12:52 AM] Ike: heh
[12:52 AM] Omega: Ah okay
[12:52 AM] Omega: Smart game
[12:53 AM] Omega: I thought I had just discovered TGW's secret
[12:53 AM] Vapid: TGW is just kinda cool that way
[12:53 AM] Vapid: at least their dispatches are shitposts in the good way
[12:53 AM] Vapid: Now, Euro and TNP
[12:53 AM] Omega: There are just so many people there.
[12:54 AM] Vapid: And so much menial bullshit to report
[12:54 AM] Vapid: oh shit
[12:54 AM] Vapid: we got a lot of endos
[12:54 AM] Vapid: no offense to any TNPers
[12:54 AM] Ike: Hm?
[12:55 AM] Vapid: TNP
[12:55 AM] Vapid: and its dispatches
[1:04 AM] Curious Observations: Upvoted. That was beautiful.
[1:05 AM] Vapid: you're beautiful
[1:10 AM] Ark: Ike I am proud of you
[1:10 AM] Ark: That dispatch made me genuinely happy.
[1:10 AM] Ike: :heart:
[1:10 AM] Ark: < 3
[5:37 AM] Seraph: I've switched my WA.
[5:37 AM] Seraph: I'll get on to some endotarting later today, hopefully.
[6:25 AM] harmoneia: https://www.nationstates.net/nation=skadifron -> just moved and has been endoswapping
[6:25 AM] harmoneia: one of yours?
[6:26 AM] harmoneia: but more importantly, she too is doing the same for someone who claims to have only returned: https://embed.nationstates.net/nation=asuka_sakamoto#composebutton
[8:00 AM] Ark: Isn't skadifron @Atlantica
[8:05 AM] Ark: Or maybe omega?
[8:06 AM] Ark: No, not omega
[8:07 AM] Ark: Definitely familiar, though o.o
[8:18 AM] Pherttsylvania: It's Atlantica
[8:18 AM] Pherttsylvania: I finally managed to log into NS this morning
[8:19 AM] Pherttsylvania: thought something nefarious was afoot but I think there were some database issues
[8:19 AM] Ark: I hear it's been screwy lately
[8:20 AM] Pherttsylvania: I was worried when I couldn't log into the technical support forum to even post that I was having issues
[8:20 AM] Pherttsylvania: but it's back to normal it seems
[8:20 AM] Ark: That's good.
[10:27 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): It's a Satanic Bitch xD - Today at 10:25 AM
well
rip Lazarus
It's a Satanic Bitch xD - Today at 10:26 AM
I see
well PM me when you need me to vote on stuff to stop them
cuz I always forget(edited)
[10:41 AM] Ark: Ayyy
[2:43 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Shouldn't Lamb have to lower his endo count to 20 below doperland's?
[2:43 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): There's no law saying Guardians are exempt from that rule
[2:43 PM] Omega: Hey guys we need to fix something in the laws asap.
[2:43 PM] Omega: Yes he should
[2:44 PM] Omega: Bring it up
[2:44 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): it also means Harm, KK, and Amerion do too
[2:44 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): @Doperland tart please so we can have higher endo counts :stuck_out_tongue:
[2:45 PM] Omega: So the CMA as currently written mandates that nations can be banjected if the have been CHARGED with a crime. It needs to be changed to charged and found guilty by the Celestial Inquisitorial Court
[2:45 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): ugh
[2:45 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): where?
[2:45 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): (2) Worlds or nations will not be banned or ejected from the region unless they have:
A. Been publicly charged with a crime.
[2:45 PM] Omega: Article 3.3.2
[2:45 PM] Omega: Yep that
[2:46 PM] Omega: Also look at 3.3.3
[2:46 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): you want to propose it right now/
[2:47 PM] Omega: I can't from mobile but that has to be fixed asap
[2:47 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): okay, I can
[2:47 PM] Omega: Or else Funk could charges us with crimes and banject us
[2:48 PM] Omega: Legally (kind of)
[2:57 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): (4) All worlds or nations shall be permitted to maintain the following endorsements counts:
A. 80 WA endorsement count for residents.
B. 100 WA endorsement count for nations endorsing the Sovereign.
C. 20 WA endorsements or more below Defender of the Realm for citizens by forum application or extended residency.
D. Guardians shall hold an endorsement count between the Defender of the Realm's and half that of the Sovereign's.
[2:57 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): how does that look?
[3:02 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): @here

[3:03 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I think this is a good place to test our voting strength
[3:03 PM] Ark: Agreed.
[3:05 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): http://s15.zetaboards.com/NSLazarus/topic/10256975/1/#new
[3:05 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): also http://s15.zetaboards.com/NSLazarus/topic/10256967/1/#new
[3:10 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): just noticed TLG is currently at the top of the dispatch list :p
[3:11 PM] Ark: Never underestimate good propaganda
[3:17 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): @Ark @Vapid THOSE ARE NOT VOTING THREADS :p
[3:18 PM] Ark: Kek
[3:18 PM] Vapid: commits sudoku
[3:18 PM] Ark: Edited.
[3:21 PM] Doperland: I blame ark
[3:21 PM] Doperland: He should know better
[3:21 PM] Doperland: TSK. TSK.
[3:22 PM] Ark: Dude
[3:23 PM] Ark: I don't even know how to legislate in Lazarus
[3:23 PM] Ark: :stuck_out_tongue:
[3:24 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): shame, Ark. what a shame
[3:25 PM] Doperland: ...
[3:25 PM] Doperland: i have no faith in this revolution
[3:25 PM] Doperland: all because of that one statement ark
[3:27 PM] Vapid: welp
[3:27 PM] Vapid: ouch
[3:34 PM] Ark: I was FA Archbishop, boi
[3:36 PM] Doperland: i have no faith
[3:37 PM] Ark: :frowning:
[3:38 PM] Curious Observations: YOU JUST HAVE TO BELIEVE
[3:38 PM] Curious Observations: :weary:
[3:39 PM] Ark: Good afternoon to you too
[3:40 PM] Vapid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brIX8OgZ3VY
YouTube
Jose Fabian
Filthy Frank "I Believe I Can Fly"


[3:40 PM] Doperland: ...
[3:40 PM] Doperland: I don't know if I want to be here anymore because of ark and vapid
[3:41 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): D:
[3:43 PM] Ark: leaves
[3:46 PM] Doperland: meh
[3:46 PM] Vapid: Look
[3:46 PM] Doperland: Just start your own revolution with blackjack and hookers
[3:46 PM] Vapid: I'm sorry if I appeared newbish >->
[3:47 PM] Doperland: nah see i'm just disappointed in Ark cuz he should know better
[3:47 PM] Doperland: If he makes mistakes he seems incompetent
[3:47 PM] Doperland: Which is the opposite thing he wants to come off as
[3:48 PM] Ark: Am I supposed to be Francos Spain here? lol
[3:48 PM] Doperland: You should seem as competent as possible so people question Funk's decision of dismissal
[3:51 PM] Ark: Well I haven't appeared this incompetent in public :stuck_out_tongue:
[3:51 PM] Ark: At least I hope
[4:52 PM] Lenlyvit: Is Cokeland on our side @Somyrion (Aumelodia) ?(edited)
[4:55 PM] Lenlyvit: Also, Funk is gaining endos pretty fast. 13 since yesterday minor
[4:56 PM] Lenlyvit: 4 since today's minor
[5:02 PM] Seraph: I'll remember not to include him in my endotarting, then...
[5:02 PM] Seraph: I considered keeping him in, just to look less supicious, but that won't help, i guess.
[5:02 PM] Seraph: Besides, the nation is linked to me on the forums and my allegiance is easily implied by my military alignment tag, so bye-bye stealth. :stuck_out_tongue:
[5:19 PM] Ark: https://www.nationstates.net/nation=eara_vorti
[5:19 PM] Ark: @here we have another one. Check happenings.
[5:31 PM] Lenlyvit:

[5:31 PM] Lenlyvit: Is someone keeping track of these?
[5:32 PM] Lenlyvit: Because they're definitely importing WAs
[5:32 PM] Lenlyvit: @Ike
[5:32 PM] Ark: Ike is a bit busy today with RL.  @Somyrion (Aumelodia)
[5:32 PM] Ark: That's, what, like 4/5 now?
[5:33 PM] Vapid: https://www.nationstates.net/nation=the_septimanian_marches just moved in
[5:33 PM] Vapid: endorsed the same nations
[5:38 PM] Lenlyvit: Someone make a list(edited)
[5:41 PM] Ark: @Vapid, can you make the list?
[5:41 PM] Ark: Then post it here and we can edit it when needed
[5:45 PM] Lenlyvit:






[5:46 PM] Lenlyvit: ^evidence of WA importation
[5:46 PM] Ark: Jesus Christ.
[5:46 PM] Ark: Yeah
[5:46 PM] Ark: Are they endoing each other?
[5:46 PM] Vapid: Note that one of those is tom's nation
[5:46 PM] Vapid: Endoing them, that is
[5:46 PM] Ark: Also pinging @Curious Observations because they can make another forum post out of those^
[5:47 PM] Vapid: Septimanian Marches endorsed Tom back
[5:47 PM] Lenlyvit: Just Funk and KK and Scum(Lamb)
[5:47 PM] Vapid: Not sure about others
[5:47 PM] Vapid: On my phone rn
[5:48 PM] Lenlyvit: If they got endo'd, they endo'd back
[5:48 PM] Lenlyvit: But no tarting
[5:50 PM] Vapid: Do any of them have the NS++ logo?
[5:51 PM] Vapid: Can someone check
[5:51 PM] Vapid: On my phone
[5:51 PM] Lenlyvit: Will check
[5:54 PM] Lenlyvit: What's it look like again?
[5:56 PM] Lenlyvit: @Vapid
[6:00 PM] Vapid: A plus that is green
[6:00 PM] Vapid: And if you hover over it, it says proud ns++ user
[6:01 PM] Vapid: It's near the top of their nation page, below the banners, right side
[6:06 PM] Lenlyvit: I'm not seeing it
[6:26 PM] Vapid: Go to my main (gibraltarica) do you see it?
[6:26 PM] Vapid: It's a badge
[7:28 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): you only can see it if you have NS++ :stuck_out_tongue:
[7:29 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): septimanian marches has it
[7:32 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?p=32185355&sid=2479bf93b5d73d841f4708db57660bef#p32185355 this makes me sad :/
[7:40 PM] Lenlyvit: Who is Starberries?
[7:40 PM] Ike: Former delegate
[7:40 PM] Amerion: Former del. One of the best
[7:41 PM] Ike: Nah she did nothing
[7:41 PM] Amerion: Until she became del..m
[7:41 PM] Ike: She disappeared during her term
[7:41 PM] Amerion: Well, there is WA importation going on ... So what do we do?
[7:42 PM] Ike: We expose them, naturally, and gain more support
[7:42 PM] Lenlyvit: That's your job Ike :wink:(edited)
[7:42 PM] Amerion: Our PR guru:blush:
[7:43 PM] Amerion: After this is all over. Open your own firm. I'll be ur first client
[7:43 PM] Ike: Indeed
[7:43 PM] Ike: Give me a few hours so I can get on my PC and off this near dead phone
[7:43 PM] Ike: Then I'll get to work in an exposé
[7:45 PM] Lenlyvit: I already posted the images @Ike
[7:48 PM] Lenlyvit: All you need to do is download and upload to Imgur(edited)
[8:34 PM] Ark: I recommend making this one a bit less idealistic/intense than your usual stuff, @Ike.
[8:35 PM] Ark: Stick to the facts as much as possible, helps us appear more legit.
[8:35 PM] Ike: Sure thing.
[8:37 PM] Vapid: So at least one is an established user, basically confirmed
[8:38 PM] Vapid: Good to know
[8:38 PM] Ike: Hey, so are you :p
[8:38 PM] Vapid: True :stuck_out_tongue:
[9:35 PM] Vapid: Alright, anything you guys need me to do, or nah?
[9:38 PM] Ark: Depends. How good is your rapport with Badger?
[9:39 PM] Vapid: Pretty gucci
[9:39 PM] Ike: I don't know if Badger is a risk worth taking at this point
[9:39 PM] Ike: Most factors point to at least limited involvement
[9:43 PM] Lenlyvit: @Ike did you use those pictures I posted?
[9:44 PM] Ike: Not yet
[9:45 PM] Vapid: I feel like we might want to take a break from new posts
[9:46 PM] Vapid: people get desensitized after hearing the same message multiple times
[9:49 PM] Lenlyvit: The news about imported WAs hasn't been talked about yet
[9:50 PM] Ike: ^
[9:50 PM] Ark: Unless you're in the middle of things, it's all the same. Laz drama etc
[9:58 PM] Omega: Yeah Ark is right. Let's not post again till Monday.
[9:58 PM] Omega: I'll hold off till Sunday, but no more TLG for a little while
[9:58 PM] Ike: No no, we need one more now that we have dirt on importation
[9:58 PM] Ike: That's important info
[10:01 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): make it a very serious post though
[10:02 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): "look at this damning evidence"
[10:02 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): "We cannot believe Funk is going this far"
[10:03 PM] Ike: Absolutely
[10:03 PM] Ike: Not tabloid tho
[10:09 PM] Omega: Right. TLG gets serious.
[10:12 PM] Vapid: funk is probably going to try to coup within the week if he's going to
[10:12 PM] Vapid: We need to make our propaganda impact
[10:12 PM] Ike: I don't know if he will. He might soon estimate that he doesn't need to, having the votes he does
[10:12 PM] Vapid: Fair enough
[10:13 PM] Vapid: In that case, we might need to force a coup, if the importation is too grave
[10:13 PM] Ike: Force one by him? Or pre-emptive action?
[10:13 PM] Vapid: Depends
[10:13 PM] Vapid: Forcing one would be difficult
[10:13 PM] Vapid: but would be better for PR
[10:14 PM] Vapid: Funk is not stupid
[10:14 PM] Vapid: unlike many people in here would assume
[10:14 PM] Ike: Pre-emptive action isn't viable
[10:14 PM] Ark: Too bad there's no way to resolve things without some kind of problem.
[10:14 PM] Ike: It's illegal and loses us legitimacy
[10:14 PM] Ike: We need confrontation and we've been building up to it so far
[10:14 PM] Ike: But it's anyone's guess as to who will blink first
[10:18 PM] Vapid: It's a shame that we're in this position
[10:18 PM] Vapid: because all funk has to do to win
[10:18 PM] Vapid: is get enough voters(edited)
[10:18 PM] Vapid: and not confront
[10:19 PM] Ike: We've imposed some disadvantageous limits on ourselves, but it's what we have to do in order to keep our legitimacy.
[10:20 PM] Vapid: We die heroes or live to see ourselves become villains
[10:22 PM] Vapid: oooh, I've got a point
[10:22 PM] Vapid: so, why would EW, Lamb, and Funk, three active members of a raiding org, have their WAs stationed in a defender-leaning sinker?
[10:23 PM] Ike: The fuck do you think?
[10:23 PM] Vapid: for an indefinite period of time
[10:23 PM] Ike: lel
[10:23 PM] Vapid: Exactly, 1+1=2
[10:23 PM] Ike: It can be argued that their dedication to Lazarus supersedes their loyalty to any R/D org
[10:23 PM] Ike: Which flips the table on us.
[10:23 PM] Ike: @Lenlyvit Get me those pictures again could you
[10:24 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): well, just poking in here, with the current legislation we have on the table it's already quite clear Lamb has an illegal number of endorsements
[10:24 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): as well as all the guardians but Wintermoot, but most prominently Lamb >.>
[10:25 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): we can force at least him to lower his endos at risk of pressing charges
[10:25 PM] Ike: Lamb is indeed over the cap, isn't he?
[10:25 PM] Ike: We should publicize that too
[10:25 PM] Ark: He's 2nd in the region lol
[10:25 PM] Ark: But I don't think guardians have caps?
[10:25 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): yes they do
[10:26 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): unless you can find a law to the contrary, they in fact must follow the same laws as all other citizens
[10:26 PM] Ark: O
[10:26 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): i.e. 20 below the DoTR
[10:26 PM] Vapid: which, in a good GCR, would be bullshit
[10:26 PM] Ark: Kek
[10:26 PM] Vapid: but there's nonsense afoot here
[10:26 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): which is why I just proposed an amendment you two both "ayed" on :stuck_out_tongue:
[10:26 PM] Vapid: TOPKEK
[10:27 PM] Ike: Do you think, if we can get Funk to take action regarding Lamb's count to save his reputation, we can then pull off a nice little marvel by lowering Doperland's endorsement count and forcing Lamb to go lower?
[10:27 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): (which ftr would make all the guardians' but Lamb's endo counts legal)
[10:28 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): only problem is that means Amerion, Wintermoot, etc. also would have to go lower
[10:28 PM] Vapid: Bad move
[10:28 PM] Vapid: our power is dispersed
[10:28 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): in a possible coup situation, we don't want that'
[10:28 PM] Vapid: Their is concentrated
[10:28 PM] Vapid: lowering it for everyone hurts us more
[10:29 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): we do need to press Lamb's illegality though
[10:35 PM] Ike: Maybe we can try running a counterintelligence operation against LWU
[10:35 PM] Ike: Some kind of infiltration to see if there are any ties
[10:36 PM] Vapid: In the series of less than 2 weeks?
[10:36 PM] Ike: Up into the election, ostensibly
[10:36 PM] Ike: If rankers are being shuffled into Lazarus, it can't be that hard to figure it out
[10:37 PM] Vapid: How many folks being moved inhave you identified @Lenlyvit?
[10:38 PM] Lenlyvit: At least 6. A couple were nations refounded in Lazarus who WAd up






[10:39 PM] Vapid: To me, Septimanian Marches is a prime suspect for this, what's the proof for the others?
[10:40 PM] Lenlyvit: All of them only endorsed KK, Funk, and Lamb
[10:40 PM] Lenlyvit: At the beginning
[10:40 PM] Vapid: ah
[10:40 PM] Vapid: okay
[10:41 PM] Lenlyvit: Pretty obvious, if you ask me :grinning:
[10:42 PM] Vapid: I mean, I wasn't seeing it, so might help to point that out
[10:42 PM] Lenlyvit: After I'm done re-writing this dispatch, ill dig into the NS Dossier to look at the regions they were in
[10:48 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Lenly is a master spotter :smile:
[10:49 PM] Ark: Is he a master debater
[10:49 PM] Ike: >_>
[10:50 PM] Ark: <_<
[10:56 PM] Amerion: >_>
[10:56 PM] Ark: <_<
[11:04 PM] Lenlyvit: https://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=26414291 I'm laughing my ass off right now
[11:04 PM] Lenlyvit: I just found this
[11:08 PM] Lenlyvit: @Ike
[11:08 PM] Ike: I saw :stuck_out_tongue:
[11:08 PM] Amerion: Their sass
[11:15 PM] Amerion: Hypothetically, if we do not combat this new wave, are we waiting till Funk takes action?
[11:15 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): yeah :/
[11:15 PM] Ike: I think we're, right now, founding the basis for our case against Lamb
[11:16 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): elections
[11:16 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Lamb is priority rn
[11:17 PM] Ike: Can someone give me a recap on what we've accomplished today as far as intelligence?
[11:17 PM] Amerion: Lenly's info
[11:24 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): http://i.imgur.com/Vjtq7x5.png?1 if anyone wants this :stuck_out_tongue:

[11:26 PM] Ark: < 3
[11:26 PM] Ike: :smile:
[11:27 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): already in my sig :p
Vjtq7x52
[11:42 PM] Ike: Should we call attention in the Citizens discord to the fact that Funk is taking no action about Lamb's endo count?
[11:46 PM] Amerion: Not without seeming like a hypocrite as our people are as above it as well
[11:46 PM] Pherttsylvania: I'm not sure. That seems to me a finer point than the fact that he seems to be ignoring any number of issues that we've pointed out
[11:46 PM] Pherttsylvania: also what Amerion said lol
[11:46 PM] Ike: Then we should be making conscious efforts to decrease our endorsements as per the law
[11:46 PM] Ike: Set a good example
[11:47 PM] Amerion: I will send out tgs to the people I sent tgs to later, to ask them to undendorse
[11:47 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): we should not decrease our endorsements
[11:47 PM] Ike: Let's look at the worst case scenario here
[11:47 PM] Vapid: we should stay within the law
[11:47 PM] Ike: And that is Funk banning our guys for going over, while ignoring Lamb because he feels like it
[11:47 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): we already have the amendment up
[11:48 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): it'll take about a week to go through
[11:48 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): hm
[11:48 PM] Ike: Now, we can cry coup at that point if we want to sound the alarm about endorsements, because if we do he may very well
[11:48 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): okay then
[11:49 PM] Ike: But we don't know how that would go down
[11:50 PM] Pherttsylvania: I think if he's going to keep looking the other way on Lamb he would on us as well. It might be an excuse he may use in the worst case scenario, but I think it would appear worse after the fact since he could deliberately target us while ignoring Lamb for the exact same issue.
[11:50 PM] Vapid: His justification would be that we are in conspiracy
[11:50 PM] Ike: And if he decided to take action on us while ignoring the Lamb, can we assess our odds here?
[11:51 PM] Vapid: Not good
[11:51 PM] Vapid: I'd say 40-60 funk's favor
[11:51 PM] Ike: Because technically he's legal in taking such action, and I don't know if the Mandate points to any part where the Delegate legally has to enforce the law.
[11:51 PM] Pherttsylvania: Then we could emphasize his unwillingness leading up to his decision to ignore the legal issues brought to his attention by us
[11:51 PM] Ike: Our best legal case against him would be dereliction of duty, which we could potentially work to right now.
[11:52 PM] Vapid: to be honest
[11:52 PM] Vapid: it might be our best chance
[11:52 PM] Vapid: And then have our people reduce our endorsements, or try to, in token
[11:52 PM] Vapid: i.e. send out a mass telegram or something
[11:53 PM] Ike: It's illegal to discourage endorsement of the Delegate, so let's keep that in mind first off
[11:54 PM] Pherttsylvania: I think this fits more in line to with what I'd been thinking; sort of dereliction of duty leading to a vote of no confidence. I worry about the viability though with the election so close anyway.
[11:55 PM] Pherttsylvania: Also I am concerned that no matter the outcome there may be resistance in terms of changing leadership if the court situation isn't resolved by then too
[11:55 PM] Pherttsylvania: Because then they might argue its a stability issue- a change could further destabilize the region
[11:58 PM] Ike: It's in our best interest right now, i think, to keep away from impeachment efforts against Funk until the election. That way we only need a simple majority instead of two thirds
[11:58 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Let's put a no confidence vote out of our minds for now.
[11:58 PM] Ike: But we can still build up a case against his cronies
[11:58 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Agreed
[11:58 PM] Pherttsylvania: alright
[11:59 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): The path seems pretty simple here: get our guardians back into the realm of the law, and then call out Lamb etc. ceaselessly for it
[11:59 PM] Vapid: How can we do that?
[11:59 PM] Vapid: like, we have 10 days
[11:59 PM] Ike: Good idea. Which guardians are above the limit right now?
July 22, 2017
[12:00 AM] Vapid: To reduce our endos
[12:00 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Or pass the amendment making lamb the only illegal one, whichever comes first
[12:00 AM] Pherttsylvania: If we manage to get this done before Lamb seemingly reappears it would help a lot.
[12:00 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): 10 days?
[12:00 AM] Vapid: isn't the election on the 1st?
[12:00 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Okay
[12:00 AM] Vapid: Or did I misread the constitution
[12:00 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Isn't it the 8th?
[12:00 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Or am I remembering wrong
[12:00 AM] Vapid: could've sworn it's the first day of every 4 months
[12:00 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Hm
[12:00 AM] Ike: That reminds me
[12:01 AM] Ike: One sec
[12:01 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I'm too lazy to check ;P
[12:01 AM] Amerion: Election is pn the 8th
[12:02 AM] Vapid: ok
[12:02 AM] Vapid: that's a bit more breathing room
[12:02 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Okay, we have to realise getting endorsements down will take a loooong tine
[12:03 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): And it's bad for us in the end
[12:03 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): We should focus on quickly passing this amendment
[12:03 AM] Ike: Yeah, let's do that
[12:03 AM] Ike: Also, welcome @Chanku
[12:03 AM] Ike: You're a Lazarene citizen, yes?
[12:03 AM] Amerion: Welcome
[12:03 AM] Chanku: I've applied for Citizenship, but I'm also an ex-citizen
[12:03 AM] Chanku: (Currently pending approval I believe)
[12:04 AM] Ike: You're Lazarene enough
[12:04 AM] Amerion: Crap
[12:04 AM] Amerion: Crap
[12:04 AM] Chanku: ?
[12:04 AM] Amerion: Shit
[12:04 AM] Ike: What is it?
[12:04 AM] Amerion: I accidentally posted an invite link on the spam
[12:04 AM] Amerion: Shit
[12:04 AM] Amerion: I can't delete it
[12:04 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): O.o
[12:05 AM] Ark: What
[12:05 AM] Ike: WHAT
[12:05 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): DELETE
[12:05 AM] Ark: Why not
[12:05 AM] Ike: Mobile?
[12:05 AM] Amerion: Fck
[12:05 AM] Ike: Hold down the message
[12:05 AM] Chanku: It's gone
[12:05 AM] Ark: ^
[12:05 AM] Ike: Wait for the delete option
[12:05 AM] Amerion: Fuck
[12:05 AM] Ike: Thank fuck
[12:05 AM] Vapid: lol
[12:05 AM] Ike: Who...
[12:05 AM] Ike: Who removed it
[12:05 AM] Amerion: Me
[12:05 AM] Vapid: kebab
[12:05 AM] Ike: Jesus
[12:05 AM] Ike: Right
[12:05 AM] Ike: Crisis averted.
[12:05 AM] Amerion: I'm about to take off on a flight
[12:05 AM] Ike: Right lol
[12:05 AM] Amerion: Sorry all
[12:05 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Was it the paste thread? :stuck_out_tongue:
[12:05 AM] Amerion: Jeez
[12:05 AM] Amerion: Heart attack
[12:05 AM] Ike: Hey, it's fixed and that's what matters
[12:05 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): The one where you paste what's on your clipboard
[12:06 AM] Vapid: it was in the server spam
[12:06 AM] Amerion: Ban anyone who joined  @Ike
[12:06 AM] Chanku: Anyway, Amerion had me join
[12:06 AM] Chanku: Via DM invite
[12:06 AM] Amerion: Yeh, I copied it for him
[12:06 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Ah lol
[12:06 AM] Amerion: Okay, well, I'll land in two hours
[12:06 AM] Amerion: Cya all
[12:06 AM] Vapid: cya
[12:06 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Well that was quite a welcoming xD
[12:06 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Cya
[12:06 AM] Chanku: Yeah
[12:06 AM] Ike: Yup.
[12:06 AM] Ike: Happy trails, Amerion
[12:06 AM] Pherttsylvania: Later, Amerion
[12:07 AM] Chanku: Anyway, I decided to regain Lazarus Citizenship after learning about the shit Funk has pulled and being thoroughly disgusted with it.
[12:07 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Yeah :/
[12:07 AM] Ike: Good to have you here.
[12:07 AM] Chanku: No problem, I'm also a Wintrean (as @Wintermoot can attest :P)(edited)
[12:07 AM] Wintermoot: Aren't you supposed to be on a leave of absence? lol
[12:08 AM] Pherttsylvania: The whole situation has definitely given me insight into a part of the game I had until now previously ignored.
[12:08 AM] Chanku: The subversion of a government honestly pisses me off to deal with that
[12:08 AM] Chanku: but yes.
[12:08 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): You're also a biscuit-lover :cookie:
[12:08 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Anyone who likes biscuits has my trust
[12:08 AM] Chanku: Oh hey it's you
[12:08 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): It's me
[12:09 AM] Chanku: hands @Somyrion (Aumelodia) a buscuit
[12:09 AM] Chanku: :stuck_out_tongue:
[12:09 AM] Chanku: Anyway
[12:09 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Fearless Raccoon, the one and only.... BISCUIT!!!
[12:09 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Anyway
[12:09 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Biggest upcoming thing is the delegate elections starting August 8
[12:10 AM] Chanku: Yeah.
[12:10 AM] Chanku: So what's the current plan?
[12:11 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Well, current thing is that it turns out a bunch of the guardians are holding illegal numbers of endorsements
[12:11 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Lamb most prominently, he's higher than the vice delegate
[12:11 AM] Ike: We're pushing through an amendment to amend this.
[12:11 AM] Chanku: I saw
[12:12 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): And make it so that only Lamb is illegal; then we can push Funk to make Lamb lower his endos, which he likely won't do
[12:12 AM] Ike: In which case, more legal ground.
[12:12 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): We also have more WA importation evidence.
[12:13 AM] Wintermoot: This seems like a lot of pretense...does Funk actually care about what's legal?
[12:13 AM] Wintermoot: They seem to be getting pretty blatant about it
[12:13 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): No, but all the better because it just means we have more to go by.
[12:13 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): We can't do anything until the sovereign elections other than gather our evidence stockpile
[12:14 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Or risk losing all legality pretense(edited)
[12:14 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): After delegate elections begin is when all hell will break loose
[12:14 AM] Wintermoot: I hope it works out, but I've observed that on gameplay it's often might that makes right
[12:15 AM] Ike: Indeed.
[12:15 AM] Chanku: I would highly suggest being prepared to create a new Government in Exile.
[12:15 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): We currently have a majority in the council, though slight.
[12:15 AM] Chanku: You know what they say: Hope for the best, prepare for the worst.
[12:16 AM] Vapid: Worst case scenario, we all create a really quaint and lovely ucr :stuck_out_tongue:
[12:16 AM] Wintermoot: already has a really quaint and lovely ucr :P
[12:16 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I already have that planned >.>
[12:18 AM] Chanku: I would also suggest, during elections, try and make sure you can get as many ally militaries on Standby as possible as well.
[12:19 AM] Chanku: Well as many as can be done in private.
[12:19 AM] Chanku: The faster a response can be organized the better.
[12:19 AM] Ike: Hey, on that topic, I've always been looking to revive my UCR, Nesapo :stuck_out_tongue:
[12:19 AM] Ike: Or Grand Central
[12:19 AM] Ike: But the idea of a government-in-exile is worth considering
[12:19 AM] Ike: It can't end the way it did in Osiris, though.
[12:19 AM] Vapid: don't revive grand central
[12:19 AM] Ike: The difference here is that most of the guardians are on our side.
[12:20 AM] Vapid: that place deserves to rest forever
[12:20 AM] Ike: Fair enough.
[12:20 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Quick check: there is a law saying someone running in an election can't administer it, isn't there?
[12:20 AM] Ike: Let me check
[12:20 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Waaaait
[12:20 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Amerion adminned last election
[12:20 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): He also ran for CB
[12:20 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): We CANNOT let Funk admin this election
[12:20 AM] Ike: Interesting.
[12:21 AM] Vapid: how do you propose to prevent him?
[12:21 AM] Vapid: Without seeming biased?
[12:21 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Amend
[12:21 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): It's just common sense, there's no case I can think of to be opposed to amending it that way
[12:22 AM] Ike: I can't find a specific law saying that, but maybe someone can do a better job at me in finding one
[12:22 AM] Vapid: Accusations of bias against funk
[12:22 AM] Vapid: We'd be the bad guys here
[12:22 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Would be in the elections act
[12:22 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): How? It's not specifically against funk
[12:23 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Look: given all the other amendments I've just proposed, it's reasonable to say I'm going through our laws making sure they all make sense
[12:23 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I happened to notice there's no law against this, it's obviously unnacceptable
[12:24 AM] Vapid: It's not specifically against funk
[12:24 AM] Vapid: and obviously you do have the best intentions
[12:24 AM] Vapid: but that's not how it'd be construed
[12:25 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Of course not, but does "they're trying to block funk from administering the elections he's running in" make any sense?
[12:25 AM] Ike: Indeed
[12:25 AM] Ike: The circumstance only benefits our logic
[12:25 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Also are we sure Funk is running at this point?
[12:25 AM] Ike: I mean, he probably would
[12:26 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Given lamb is so high in endos
[12:26 AM] Ike: We're running Somy against whoever
[12:26 AM] Chanku: Unless he just plans to outright coup at the start of elections
[12:26 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Might this not be a hint that they're going to try for some sort of switch?
[12:26 AM] Ike: A coup changes everything, and probably for our benefit
[12:26 AM] Wintermoot: He'd do best for himself to coup now or at the end of elections if he loses
[12:26 AM] Ike: We'd get open defender support and we're par for the influence battle
[12:29 AM] Chanku: Alright.
[12:29 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I'll propose the amendment in the morning
[12:30 AM] Chanku: Alright, and so any coup attempt will take a while to complete I presume?
[12:30 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Hopefully.
[12:31 AM] Ike: Aye
[12:34 AM] Vapid: we're in a game of chess stacked slighty against us atm
[12:34 AM] Vapid: We've not lost our queen nor our knights yet, though
[12:35 AM] Chanku: yeah
[12:42 AM] Ike: @here https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=857612 Upvote squad GO
[12:42 AM] Ike: Post proper here:
[12:42 AM] Ike: https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?t=418902&f=12&view=unread#p32188005
[12:54 AM] Atlantica: Funk stated in the government chat that he intended to run for reelection this term and the next term (after which he's term-limited), but he could have certainly changed his mind
[1:00 AM] Ike: We need to work on building up our candidacy
[1:01 AM] Chanku: I've also got some reform ideas for after this (because, let's be honest, there will probably be some reform after this is all said and done...hopefully Lazarus will be successfully protected).
[1:02 AM] Chanku: (Although let's not discuss that now, putting the cart before the horse and all that)
[1:03 AM] Vapid: well, no
[1:03 AM] Vapid: that's a good thing
[1:04 AM] Vapid: being for something is more important than being against something
[1:04 AM] Chanku: My stuff?
[1:04 AM] Chanku: (the ideas that is)
[1:05 AM] Wintermoot: prepares himself for a rehashing of everything he's opposed in Wintreath :P
[1:06 AM] Chanku: If anything I bring it closer to Wintreath (besides Wintreath and Lazarus are two different regions, in two different states of functionality as it were)
[1:06 AM] Omega: Atlantica you do know you just committed espionage right?(edited)
[1:06 AM] Chanku: (I mean not entirely, but some of the ideas do)...well primarily one(edited)
[1:07 AM] Chanku: If anyone wants to talk about the reform stuff, I guess we could discuss somewhere (although I'm not entirely sure in general would be the best place)
[1:07 AM] Ike: "Gathering private government material with the intention of using or distributing them to any entities not sanctioned by the relevant government body responsible for the material or the Court."
[1:08 AM] Ike: This isn't private government material, this is a personal statement
[1:09 AM] Ike: We have to accept, as well, that in our endeavor we may meet challenges when people can try and misconstrue our efforts as crimes. Minor violation of the law is a risk we have to be willing to take given the blatant violation of the most sacrosanct principles of the CMA by the other side. We need only to keep our principles in sight and ensure we don't stoop to a low level
[1:10 AM] Lenlyvit:


[1:10 AM] Lenlyvit: Tell me what you think?
[1:10 AM] Ike: What about it?
[1:10 AM] Lenlyvit: Two of the endos Funk picked up
[1:11 AM] Lenlyvit: Their regional movements(edited)
[1:12 AM] Vapid: the first is more likely to be
[1:12 AM] Ike: Seems the only person he endorsed was the Delegate
[1:13 AM] Vapid: hm
[1:13 AM] Vapid: maybe not then
[2:30 AM] Amerion: Whew. Literally, just as the stewardess was coming around to check if we had our seatbelts buckled, I said a loud fuck and I think I was red with mild shaking. If it had been an American airline ...
[2:30 AM] Ike: xD
[2:31 AM] Pherttsylvania: Were you not drunk enough to fly comfortably?
[2:31 AM] Amerion: Haha
[2:31 AM] Amerion: Anyways, is the message defs gone
[2:32 AM] Amerion: @Ike  if you had deleted the server, would the messages still be visible?
[2:32 AM] Pherttsylvania: It was deleted, I don't see any trace left
[2:32 AM] Vapid: it is gone, I checked, amerion
[2:32 AM] Ike: Deleted the server?
[2:33 AM] Amerion: Thank god  @Vapid @Vapid
[2:33 AM] Vapid: I am now vapidvapid
[2:33 AM] Vapid: the raider chief
[2:33 AM] Vapid: all hail
[2:33 AM] Amerion: @Ike Yes, if I couldn't delete the comment. I couldn't originally, I think there is like a 5 second delay before you can delete messages
[2:40 AM] Ike: I don't think they'd have been visible, no
[2:41 AM] Atlantica: What was contained in this message, if I may ask?
[2:42 AM] Ike: Only the link to our channel
[2:43 AM] Ike: For general security, I've now put in a bit of a checkpoint in case we receive new people who aren't supposed to be here
[2:45 AM] Atlantica: Ah, OK
[2:45 AM] Amerion: So new people would get to the Atrium. Can't see Underground. Would need your masking to do so?
[2:45 AM] Ike: I'm revising this a little bit
[2:46 AM] Ike: Everyone with the 'trusted' tag can go into the underground
[2:49 AM] Amerion: Ah okay
[2:50 AM] Amerion: Also
[2:50 AM] Amerion:

[2:50 AM] Ike: I saw.
[2:50 AM] Amerion: Any clue who he is referring to?
[2:50 AM] Ike: Yes.
[2:50 AM] Ike: Let's not talk about this here.
[2:51 AM] Chanku: I wonder where he got them from...unless someone else joined that we didn't notice...
[2:55 AM] Chanku: Wait I misread everything
[2:56 AM] Ike: Pierconium states that Sygian's information is 'outdated', I'm inclined to agree.
[2:56 AM] Chanku: Oh?
[2:56 AM] Ike: As I said, let's not talk about this here.
[2:57 AM] Chanku: Fair enough
[2:57 AM] Seraph: Morning. Can anyone give me a status update?
[2:57 AM] Ike: Everything has gone to shit :stuck_out_tongue:
[2:59 AM] Seraph: Well, you get points for concision at least. :P
[2:59 AM] Ike: It's an interesting time. Progress is being made
[2:59 AM] Seraph: Cool.
[3:00 AM] Amerion: @Seraph which is your WA? Just want to make sure I've endorsed it
[3:07 AM] Seraph: Terephah
[3:07 AM] Amerion: All g. Thanks :)
[3:11 AM] Seraph: Ooh, I got about 33 endorsements overnight.
[9:08 AM] Omega: Welcome to Laz
[9:26 AM] Omega: I'm sitting at 19th in the region and I move here a few days ago
[10:21 AM] Lenlyvit: I had 68 before I resigned
[10:31 AM] Seraph: Well, I'm up to 49, now.
[10:32 AM] Vapid: :thumbsup:
[11:46 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia):
1) The Election Commissioner determined by deliberation with their fellow commissioners to have the least conflict of interest in the election will officiate the election.
If there is only one commissioner at the time of the election they will serve by default.
If all available commissioners find themselves to have irreconcilable conflicts of interest they may ask the Convenor, or the Holy Prelate when applicable to appoint another commissioner.
[11:47 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): @Amerion we'll need you to push against Funk administrating the election as you're the only other EC I know of
[11:50 AM] Vapid: Amerion has about equal Conflict of Interest, so I would be cautious
[12:02 PM] Vapid: Eviononet and Eara Vorti both resigned
[12:03 PM] Vapid: Septimanian marches seems to be the oddball of the group
[12:03 PM] Vapid: Perhaps a troll
[12:06 PM] Vapid: It seems he's being too obvious intentionally
[12:06 PM] Vapid: And refuses to stop tarting, even in light of ridicule
[12:30 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): @Vapid how does amerion have equal CoI?
[12:30 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): He's not running afaik
[12:34 PM] Vapid: He's not? I thought he was.
[12:34 PM] Vapid: Disregard my advice >->(edited)
[1:14 PM] Lenlyvit: Another one

[1:14 PM] Vapid: only endorsing the sovereign
[1:14 PM] Vapid: but not unheard of in GCRs
[1:14 PM] Ike: Just created?
[1:14 PM] Ike: Figure out movement history
[1:16 PM] Seraph: The issue answering suggests that it's only just been created
[1:16 PM] Seraph: Although they changed their leader name, so maybe not.
[1:16 PM] Ike: Dig deeper
[1:20 PM] Seraph: Founded last august.
[1:29 PM] Seraph: No other activity in the last 24 hours or so... checking to see if there's any obvious sign of another nation resigined WA just before they joined.
[1:37 PM] Seraph: And... giving up.  I don't have the tools/patience and I need to cook dinner.
[1:38 PM] Vapid: F
[1:43 PM] thechurchofsatan: I would recommend Svez be the EC. He's about the only person in Lazarus that has shown himself to be remotely impartial.
[1:45 PM] thechurchofsatan: I'm sure even if Funk doesn't serve as EC he will insist on EW being EC instead.
[2:04 PM] Lenlyvit: Founded last August and was in the WA in TP until January, when it resigned and moved to Laz
[2:04 PM] Ike: Seems legit
[2:05 PM] Ark: Svez would be a great EC, but the heat is on him too much right now. The second he suggests it, someone's going to scream NPO and get him demoted.
[2:09 PM] Ike: What about Kanglia? He's proven himself as active and dedicated and doesn't seem to be very controversial
[2:12 PM] Lenlyvit: He's also TGW
[2:12 PM] Ike: Remind me again who the current commissioners are? Amerion, netural, Funk, a raider, and... ?
[2:13 PM] Lenlyvit: No clue
[2:19 PM] Lenlyvit: https://www.nationstates.net/nation=orangevill anyone know who this is?
[2:19 PM] Lenlyvit: The world senses says its the most influential nation in Laz, but it was just refounded
[2:20 PM] Ike: Endorsed no one yet, so give it time
[2:20 PM] Ark: Might still have influence left over from the region it CTE'd in.
[2:22 PM] Lenlyvit: It was in Laz
[2:23 PM] Lenlyvit:

[2:23 PM] Ike: Looks harmless
[2:23 PM] Ike:

[2:24 PM] Ike: @here May be of some relevance...
[2:24 PM] Ark: What is up with this guy.
[2:25 PM] Ike: She's out of her mind
[3:37 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): wew
[3:37 PM] Vapid: wew lad
[3:37 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): anyway back to ECs
[3:37 PM] Ike: Yea
[3:37 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): the existing ones afaik are only Amerion and Funk
[3:37 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): now that NR left
[3:37 PM] Ike: One raider, one neutral
[3:38 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): @Amerion may know better
[3:38 PM] Ike: They can't cry conspiracy if we're ony balancing the scales
[3:44 PM] Lenlyvit: One raider, one neutral, one defender. Seems fair to me
[3:44 PM] Ike: yup
[3:44 PM] Ike: @Kanglia Wanna be an election commissioner?
[3:45 PM] Kanglia: I'd be good with that, yeah.
[3:45 PM] Ike: I propose nominating him, if no one has any objections
[3:51 PM] Lenlyvit:

[3:51 PM] Lenlyvit: Didn't endo KK though
[3:52 PM] Vapid: Look at who endorsed them
[3:52 PM] Vapid: Does it match?
[3:53 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): @Ike can we... not
[3:53 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Amerion is fine. Why do we need to cause more controversy?
[3:54 PM] Kanglia: also reasonable, probably better to have Amerion than me
[3:54 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): no offense to kanglia but no one in Laz knows you and it looks like we're just trying to get defenders in power :stuck_out_tongue:
[3:54 PM] Ike: I never meant to say we're replacing Amerion
[3:54 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I know
[3:54 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): but still why add another
[3:54 PM] Kanglia: That AND KK is not exactly a fan of mine
[3:55 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): also..... Kanglia can't be an EC :stuck_out_tongue:
[3:55 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): 1) Any Councillor with Forum Administrator privileges may serve as an Election Commissioner.

2) If no Forum Administrator is available, any Guardian may serve as an Election Commissioner.
[3:55 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Kanglia, are you a secret forum admin
[3:55 PM] Kanglia: It'd be quite funny but no
[3:56 PM] Ike: Oh, I didn't even know that was a requirement
[3:56 PM] Ike: bonk
[3:56 PM] Ike: Who are the forum administrators aside from the aforementioned? Harm?
[3:59 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): harm + dyp
[4:00 PM] Ike: we should put up harm, she's trustworthy
[4:02 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): we don't need to put up anyone :stuck_out_tongue:
[4:02 PM] Ike: Can you run my tired mind through how ECs work again?
[4:04 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): ECs run the elections; they must be Forum Admin, or if there are no forum admin available, Guardians
[4:04 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): The Convenor, or if the convenor is not available, Holy Prelate, appoints the ECs
[4:04 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): they then serve a lifetime term unless recalled
[4:05 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): the EC with the least CoI administers the election
[4:05 PM] Vapid: Is conflict of interest a defined term?
[4:05 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): no
[4:05 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): "1) The Election Commissioner determined by deliberation with their fellow commissioners to have the least conflict of interest in the election will officiate the election."
[4:05 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): that's all we have
[4:05 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): "If there is only one commissioner at the time of the election they will serve by default.
If all available commissioners find themselves to have irreconcilable conflicts of interest they may ask the Convenor, or the Holy Prelate when applicable to appoint another commissioner."
[4:06 PM] Vapid: Okay, then funk will debate that term
[4:06 PM] Ike: This is interesting.
[4:06 PM] Vapid: Almost inevitably
[4:06 PM] Ike: Because Funk will want to be the officiator
[4:06 PM] Ike: And when Amerion disputes this
[4:06 PM] Ike: He'll try and take it to the Holy Prelate
[4:06 PM] Ike: We don't have a sitting Holy Prelate but he regards EW as such
[4:06 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): he'll have to go the convenor first
[4:07 PM] Vapid: In other words
[4:07 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Svez can then appoint someone like h
[4:07 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): arm
[4:07 PM] Vapid: It's a question of whether we can exercise our legitimacy
[4:07 PM] Ike: I think we have solid ground to, as long as he doesn't pull any shit with EW as Prelate
[4:08 PM] Ike: He might try to get EW to arbitrate this even though he has no legal authority
[4:09 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): and we'll put up a fight
[4:09 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): because that's clearly not legal
[4:09 PM] Ike: indeed
[4:10 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Svez will have to be active for that battle, though
[4:10 PM] Ike: If he goes to the Convenor first, we're gucci
[4:10 PM] Ike: Yep
[4:10 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): the law says he does :p
[4:10 PM] Ike: "they may ask the Convenor, or the Holy Prelate"
[4:10 PM] Ike: Does that imply Convenor primacy strongly enough?
[4:10 PM] Ike: not in my opinion
[4:11 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): ... "the holy prelate when applicable
[4:11 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): meaning down below:
[4:11 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): If the Office of Convenor is vacant, or the Convenor cannot be contacted for more than seven (7) days the Holy Prelate may appoint an Election Commissioner.
[4:11 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): so yeah
[4:11 PM] Ike: ah, beautiful
[9:49 PM] Ike: Alright, any ideas for what to do this evening? :stuck_out_tongue:
[9:53 PM] Doperland: Ask funk nicely to step down?
[9:54 PM] Ike: I like your style.
[9:56 PM] Chanku: Why don't we take Lazarus and push it somewhere else?
[9:56 PM] Ike: I propose we coup the North Pacific
[9:56 PM] Kanglia: Best idea I've heard in years
[9:56 PM] Morozovia: Lol
[9:57 PM] Chanku: No....even better the Pacific, it is original and the best idea ever!!!!!!111
[9:57 PM] Doperland: But isn't TNP the place with the Delegate with 1000+ endos?
[9:57 PM] Kanglia: I think we should just coup Balder
[9:57 PM] Chanku: ^
[9:57 PM] Kanglia: Give somebody a reason to talk about it
[9:57 PM] Doperland: Why choose? Coup them all!
[9:58 PM] Kanglia: ^
[9:58 PM] Ike: Gold medal for you!
[9:58 PM] Ike: Oh, by the way
[9:58 PM] Ike: @here LOOSE LIPS SINK SHIPS
Ike pinned a message to this channel. See all the pins.07/22/2017
[9:59 PM] Lenlyvit: What happened now?
[9:59 PM] Ike: Just a general word of advice.
[9:59 PM] Doperland: Excuse me as I take a couple hundred screenshots and send them to funk
[9:59 PM] Ike: Bastard!
[9:59 PM] Chanku: Doperland is obviously a clown, they will destroy us all
[9:59 PM] Chanku: destroy us all
[10:00 PM] Chanku: destroy us all
[10:00 PM] Chanku: destroy us all
[10:00 PM] Doperland: Ok Billy
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[10:00 PM] Ike: All work and no play makes Ike a dull boy
[10:00 PM] Ike: All work and no play makes Ike a dull boy
[10:00 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): awhat
[10:00 PM] Ike: All work and no play makes Ike a dull boy
All work and no play makes Ike a dull boy
All work and no play makes Ike a dull boy
All work and no play makes Ike a dull boy
All work and no play makes Ike a dull boy
All work and no play makes Ike a dull boy
All work and no play makes Ike a dull boy
All work and no play makes Ike a dull boy
All work and no play makes Ike a dull boy
[10:00 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): no variation
[10:00 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): sad.
[10:01 PM] Ike: >_>
[10:02 PM] Morozovia: Uh... Pokemon.. Uh.. is about fighting the oppressors. They can't catch us all!
[10:14 PM] Curious Observations: @Ike Loose lips can sink ships, indeed.
[10:15 PM] Curious Observations: And I think they may have at least put a hole in this one. It's not a hole that cannot be patched, but a hole nonetheless.
[10:15 PM] Curious Observations: My non-sensical philosophical rambling of the day, for what it's worth.
[10:16 PM] Ike: We lost a swivel gun but the broadsides are intact. Let's patch up the hull and avoid running into any more reefs.
[10:16 PM] Chanku: I'm thoroughly confused now :neutral_face:
[10:31 PM] Vapid: fuck the lone wolves coming straight from the underground
[10:31 PM] Chanku: ?
[10:35 PM] Ike: Fendas With Attitude (FWA)
[10:36 PM] Vapid: Straight outta Lazarus
[10:36 PM] Ike: Wait better
[10:36 PM] Ike: NWA
[10:37 PM] Ike: Natives With Attitude
[10:42 PM] thechurchofsatan: The Dead Lazarenes - Take This Delegacy and Shove It(edited)
[10:43 PM] thechurchofsatan: Triumph of the Minnow
Democracy For Sale
[10:44 PM] Chanku: You know what we should do? We should solve this simply by having two representatives play cookie clicker, whoever can get Portals first wins.
[10:46 PM] Vapid: everyone knows that battle by pool noodle is the only acceptable way to settle duels
[10:46 PM] Vapid: An art long forgotten by many
[10:46 PM] Vapid: in fact, francos spain was a noodling champion
[10:46 PM] Vapid: It was his expertise in aquatic spaghettiing that allowed Pacifica to rise to power
[10:47 PM] Chanku: I thought it was having two wacky wavy inflatable arm-flailing tubemen fight it out?
[10:48 PM] thechurchofsatan: Due to a shipping error we are overstocked with wacky wavy inflatable arm-flailing tubemen.
[10:48 PM] Chanku: Then it's the perfect way to duke it out!
[10:48 PM] Chanku: get rid of two and solve our issues!(edited)
[11:00 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I officially challenge Lamb to a pool noodle duel.
[11:00 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Time to whack some of those gains straight outta the water
[11:00 PM] Vapid: you're too young
[11:00 PM] Vapid: He knows the linguine method
[11:00 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Nooooooo!~
[11:00 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I use Rotini myself
[11:01 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Twist em up like a boa constrictor
July 23, 2017
[12:22 AM] Curious Observations: "Fendas With Attitude (FWA)"
[12:22 AM] Curious Observations: Yeah let's not make it about alignment.
[12:22 AM] Curious Observations: That's the rhetoric being used to delegitimise the movement.
[12:26 AM] Vapid: I think we need more serious posts about our plans.
[12:26 AM] Vapid: Propaganda is nice
[12:27 AM] Vapid: but we need a good, hard public face
[12:27 AM] Vapid: About what our manifesto is
[12:27 AM] Ike: That was the intention with the latest post
[12:27 AM] Vapid: doesn't have to be everything
[12:27 AM] Ike: That and the petition
[12:27 AM] Vapid: The petition was what we are against
[12:27 AM] Vapid: We need what we are for
[12:27 AM] Ike: Good point.
[12:27 AM] Vapid: Reform of government
[12:27 AM] Vapid: What sort of reform?
[12:28 AM] Ike: Reform that keeps our community safe from foreign infiltration
[12:28 AM] Vapid: How do we plan to accomplish that? Once again, not putting in any information that might trigger alarm bells in otherwise neutral regions
[12:28 AM] Vapid: as of now, most regions are neutral
[12:29 AM] Vapid: We want to keep them that way until if/when funk coups
[12:29 AM] Ike: Sane, sensible measures and legal reform (which we're already getting started on) to prove our good intent, of course
[12:30 AM] Vapid: post about those as they come along
[12:30 AM] Vapid: post about any obstacles we encounter, and what the issue was.
[12:30 AM] Vapid: Don't do it all in one night
[12:30 AM] Vapid: and don't do it every night
[12:31 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Can we not post about every little detail and all these laws we're doing?
[12:31 AM] Vapid: Not every detail
[12:31 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): It tires people out
[12:31 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I mean the readers
[12:31 AM] Ike: yeah
[12:31 AM] Vapid: True
[12:31 AM] Vapid: There's a minority that care about laws
[12:31 AM] Vapid: And I feel we're already appealing to that minority
[12:32 AM] Ike: And what's the majority, pray tell?
[12:32 AM] Vapid: They want excitement, to be honest
[12:32 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): If we start posting about these proposals and such as our own bloc's effort, then we immediately lose the support of people in the other bloc who seem to be supporting them rn
[12:32 AM] Ike: I won't have excitement that debases our legitimacy and undermines our support
[12:33 AM] Vapid: As I've talked to people, those would welcome a coup by funkadelia do so because they don't see much activity being generated by folks on this side
[12:33 AM] Ike: Yes, we can't give them a reason to oppose for the sake of opposition
[12:33 AM] Ike: And we are the more active side by far right now. How do you suggest we flaunt that?
[12:33 AM] Vapid: We need positive activity
[12:34 AM] Vapid: Funk is relying on the negative activity a coup situation would provide
[12:34 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Basically do lamb's job for him
[12:34 AM] Ike: yep
[12:34 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Do lots of regional growth stuff
[12:35 AM] Vapid: Next question
[12:35 AM] Vapid: what can I do, as a citizen who is a part of, like, nothing
[12:35 AM] Vapid: (personal question here, sorry)
[12:36 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): You into RP at all?
[12:36 AM] Vapid: I can be.
[12:36 AM] Vapid: Let me put it this way: I have experience, but the place I got that experience from burnt me out
[12:37 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Ah
[12:37 AM] Ike: heh
[12:37 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Well if you're up for it ping Atlantica and get that rolling
[12:37 AM] Vapid: @Atlantica you got RP stuff for me?
[12:39 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Here's my suggestion for our activity course of action:
- get RP going
- maybe I can set up an endotarting program because that's been gone for a while
- write some regional guides, send out regional TGs
[12:39 AM] Ike: Also, be active in the Discord of the region
[12:39 AM] Ike: Activity's no good if only the effects are visible
[12:40 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Then at the end of the week or so publish a TLG article talking about "in calmer news..." and all the things we've done
[12:40 AM] Vapid: ^
[12:40 AM] Vapid: Post maybe a tidbit about all the legislation we've been supporting
[12:40 AM] Vapid: no more than a paragraph, though
[12:41 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Aye
[12:41 AM] Ike: I like it
[12:41 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I'll do the WA stuff and maybe a regional TG tomorrow
[12:42 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Other people get to work on the RP
[12:42 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Idk if @Amerion's off mobile enough to write another of the Am's musings articles :stuck_out_tongue:
[12:43 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): The proposed legislation can go up to vote iirc tomorrow
[7:20 AM] Andrew: i just noticed Starberries made some commentary
[9:39 AM] Amerion: I am concerned that waiting until the 8th will lose us momentum
[9:53 AM] Amerion: @Somyrion (Aumelodia) , you have an idea for the article?
[9:58 AM] Amerion: @Andrew , yeah, good on her
[3:12 PM] Lenlyvit: @Somyrion (Aumelodia) who takes over the responsibilities of the FA Archdiocese if we don't have one?
[3:12 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Sovereign
[3:12 PM] Ike: I think the Bishops? If there were any?
[3:12 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): there weren't
[3:12 PM] Ike: Right
[3:12 PM] Ike: But it's irrelevant because Ark is still technically the Archbishop
[3:12 PM] Ike: If Funk tries to appoint someone soon, we oppose it on that ground.
[3:13 PM] Lenlyvit: How is Ark still the Archbishop? Funk removed him
[3:14 PM] Ike: Funk didn't have the power to do that, as it turns out.
[3:14 PM] Ike: That's the Celestial Being's job
[3:14 PM] Lenlyvit: Oooohhhhh
[3:14 PM] Lenlyvit: Nice!
[3:15 PM] Lenlyvit: Wait
[3:15 PM] Lenlyvit: Where did Ark go????
[3:15 PM] Ike: He left yesterday
[3:15 PM] Ike: He's coming back though
[3:15 PM] Ike: Speak of the devil
[3:15 PM] Lenlyvit: Ack
[3:15 PM] Lenlyvit: Heh
[3:15 PM] Lenlyvit: Lolol
[3:15 PM] Ark: Guess who's baaaaack
[3:15 PM] Ike: Back again
[3:16 PM] Lenlyvit: Back in black
[3:16 PM] Ark: No Len what the fuck
[3:16 PM] Ike: Fuck off Len
[3:16 PM] Morozovia: Sorry guys, been busy with garage sale s but in all support and help in any way I can
[3:16 PM] Ark: It's an Eminem song
[3:16 PM] Lenlyvit: Lololololol
[3:16 PM] Ike: Alright, so to get you up to speed @Ark
[3:16 PM] Ike: We're not publicizing this illegality quite yet
[3:16 PM] Ark: Alright.
[3:16 PM] Ike: TSP is trying to get Funk to negotiate with us
[3:16 PM] Lenlyvit: Ark, can't you legally still accept Yuno's application for ambassadorship?
[3:16 PM] Ike: We're going to outline some demands
[3:17 PM] Ike: If he won't hear us, or won't compromise, we'll fire the artillery again.
[3:17 PM] Ark: Fair enough.
[3:17 PM] Ark: I suppose I can. @Lenlyvit link it
[3:18 PM] Lenlyvit: 13 pages to read :(
[3:18 PM] Ike: :heart:
[3:18 PM] Lenlyvit: http://s15.zetaboards.com/NSLazarus/topic/10257941/1/#new
[3:18 PM] Ike: Also @Ark Can you read the message history of this channel before you re-joined?
[3:18 PM] Ark: No.
[3:18 PM] Ike: Good.
[3:18 PM] Ark: >.>
[3:18 PM] Ike: It's a security measure lol
[3:18 PM] Ike: Just making sure it works
[3:19 PM] Ark: Fair enough.
[3:20 PM] Ark: Inb4 "hey lets invite Ark back and do something evil to him lolol"
[3:20 PM] Ike: lel
[4:37 PM] Omega: Wait why did Ark leave?
[8:23 PM] Amerion: Because NPO issued a gag order
July 24, 2017
[9:22 AM] Lenlyvit: It died here pretty quickly. Is the revolution dead?
[9:22 AM] Ark: It's been one day...
[9:27 AM] Vapid: We're just waiting
[12:28 PM] Amerion: @here
[12:29 PM] Amerion: Things have just happened
[12:29 PM] Omega: It happened?(edited)
[12:29 PM] Omega: What?
[12:30 PM] Ark: @Amerion ?
[12:30 PM] Vapid: oh my god
[12:30 PM] Vapid: The coup
[12:30 PM] Ark: WHAT
[12:30 PM] Omega: I saw the TG
[12:31 PM] Amerion: I've just been banned from Laz
[12:31 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): wha
[12:31 PM] Ark: Fuck.
[12:32 PM] Ark: He actually did it.
[12:33 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): damn
[12:33 PM] Ark: So
[12:33 PM] Ark: Uhhh
[12:33 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): hey, isn't this what we wanted
[12:33 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): :stuck_out_tongue:
[12:33 PM] Omega: I'll rally TSP
[12:33 PM] Ark: Does this mean we win? :stuck_out_tongue:
[12:34 PM] Ark: lol
[12:34 PM] Ark: Do it
[12:34 PM] Ark: NOW
[12:34 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Harm, dope, and winter were also ejected
[12:34 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): okay
[12:35 PM] Omega: Holy fuck
[12:35 PM] Ark: He ejected Harm?
[12:35 PM] Ark: @harmoneia @Doperland @Wintermoot MOVE BACK INTO LAZARUS
[12:35 PM] Ark: A S A P
[12:36 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): yeah
[12:36 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): completely shot his influence
[12:37 PM] Omega: Yep that
[12:37 PM] Seraph: Welll, this has really helped boost my regional ranking for endos. :stuck_out_tongue:
[12:37 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): who's still in the region
[12:37 PM] Ark: lol
[12:37 PM] Wintermoot: I moved back, but I think it was too late
[12:37 PM] Ark: Me
[12:37 PM] Ark: Probably.
[12:37 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I am
[12:37 PM] Seraph: Moi aussi.
[12:37 PM] Omega: @Seraph @Griffindor and @Amerion we need to rally TSP
[12:37 PM] Ark: His influence is shot now though
[12:37 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): so who're we telling people to endo
[12:37 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Lamb & KK though
[12:37 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): they still have a lot
[12:37 PM] Amerion: He used KK to ban me
[12:38 PM] Omega: I'm at 97 endos
[12:38 PM] Amerion: So, KK's influence is gone
[12:38 PM] Seraph: I'm at 79.
[12:38 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): oh
[12:38 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): good
[12:38 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Seconds ago: Funkadelia revoked posting privileges on the Lazarus Regional Message Board from nations in embassy regions.
[12:38 PM] Omega: Shit
[12:38 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): he's really going full-on
[12:38 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): ":P
[12:38 PM] Omega: Yep
[12:38 PM] Amerion: What is our respone???
[12:38 PM] Omega: This plays to our narrative right?
[12:38 PM] Ark: Yes.
[12:38 PM] Ark: Hold on
[12:38 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): yes.
[12:39 PM] Amerion: @Ike  u on?
[12:39 PM] Ark: @Ike you got the TG stamps now is the time fucking use them.
[12:42 PM] Seraph: Lamb talks about a TG in his post on the RMB, any of the others still in the region receive it?
[12:42 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I recieved it
[12:42 PM] Ark: I received it.
[12:42 PM] Amerion: Screenshot pls
[12:42 PM] Omega: I love how I'm about to be charged with crimes.
[12:42 PM] Seraph: I haven't, yet
[12:42 PM] Ark:

[12:42 PM] Omega: I think that is hilarious
[12:42 PM] Ark:

[12:42 PM] Ark: Sorry
[12:42 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Aumelodia, I have an urgent message regarding the security of our region!
Within the last 24 hours, we have received notice about an intention to undermine the legitimate government of our region and overthrow our democratically elected officials!
A small group of nations has made the decision to attempt this act of subversion and are seeking to destabilize our home, by forcefully removing me as delegate and enforcing their own illegitimate regime on the region. To prevent this, please make the following a top priority for you:
Please make sure you are endorsing the following nations: Funkadelia, Scum, and Killer Kitty.
At the same time, please unendorse the following nations: Doperland, Skadifron, Aumelodia, United Federated States of Omega, Ikania, Pherttsylvania, Wintermoot III, Amerion.
Again, it is of the highest priority that you ensure your endorsement is on the first list of nations and that you unendorsed the second list. The nations you will be unendorsing are part of the group of conspirators and it’s vital that they are unable to gain any ground.
If anyone telegrams you telling you to unendorse anyone other than those listed above, please let myself or Scum know about it. The group has planted many individuals into Lazarus who will try to deceive you.
I appreciate your help with this and here’s to hoping that we can swiftly take care of this issue and continue on together!
Your elected Sovereign and loyal resident,
Funkadelia
[12:42 PM] Ark: Out of order
[12:43 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): oh you already got it :stuck_out_tongue:
[12:43 PM] Seraph: I'm not on the list!
[12:44 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): lol
[12:44 PM] Omega: Sweet
[12:44 PM] Ark: Well
[12:44 PM] Ark: Shit
[12:44 PM] Ark: https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=419439&sid=87eca5e613dfc7a7c36eab759fe6cdd7
[12:44 PM] Ark: They got out ahead of us with PR too.
[12:44 PM] Omega: Yeah that was quick
[12:44 PM] Vapid: fuck
[12:45 PM] Seraph: I mean, I haven't said anything on the forums, 'cos I didn't actually feel qualified/have the time, so that'd probably be why, but anyone checking who I had endorsed ought to have been suspicious.  Very sloppy.
[12:45 PM] Vapid: What's our next task
[12:45 PM] Vapid: We need to form an organized response
[12:45 PM] Vapid: the government of lazarus is now a government in exile.
[12:46 PM] Amerion: Someone here has leaked
[12:46 PM] Seraph: So it seems.
[12:46 PM] Ark: Indeed.
[12:46 PM] Wintermoot: Have you considered letting Funk run it into the ground?
[12:47 PM] Vapid: I mean, we knew that already
[12:47 PM] Omega: There is a leak
[12:47 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): hm
[12:47 PM] Omega: But that is to expected. No group I ever been in in NS is water tight.
[12:47 PM] Wintermoot: You have 22 people here, and it's the people that matter.
[12:47 PM] Vapid: Maybe move more secure operations into a different channel, with only people who were gov't leaders
[12:48 PM] Omega: Sounds fair
[12:48 PM] Ark: The damage is done, tbh.
[12:49 PM] Ark: Funkadelia outplayed us. As did Evil Wolf and Lamb.
[12:49 PM] Wintermoot: Start a new region, go to another region...let Funk lord over a dead Lazarus
[12:49 PM] Ark: Now it looks like we were the ones trying to coup.
[12:49 PM] Omega: Yes it does
[12:49 PM] Ark: Indeed, I'm done with this.
[12:50 PM] Ike: Wait.
[12:50 PM] Ike: Wait one second.
[12:50 PM] Ike: @here Find as many posts as you can in this discord stating emphatically that we are NOT working towards a coup
[12:50 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): okay
[12:51 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Ike - Last Saturday at 9:56 PM
I propose we coup the North Pacific
[12:51 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): there we go
[12:51 PM] Ike: xD
[12:52 PM] Ark:

[12:52 PM] Ark: Literally me saying: "No couping."
[12:53 PM] Omega: Followed by me making a Star Wars joke
[12:53 PM] Ark: lol
[12:53 PM] Ark: I kind of set it up tbh
[12:53 PM] Ark: I figured someone would say it.
[12:53 PM] Omega: Yep
[12:53 PM] Seraph: Can we re-frame the PR with Funk as Palpatine and Lamb as Vader
[12:53 PM] Seraph: actually, no, it's totally the other way around.
[12:53 PM] Omega: Sounds good
[12:54 PM] Omega: Sounds better
[12:54 PM] Seraph: "You were supposed to be the chosen one!"
[12:54 PM] Ark: Someone needs to illegitimize this article ASAP.
[12:54 PM] Vapid: No, no reframing PR
[12:55 PM] Vapid: This is serious
[12:55 PM] Amerion:

[12:55 PM] Ark: Post that Amerion
[12:55 PM] Ark: In the forum thread: https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=419439&sid=87eca5e613dfc7a7c36eab759fe6cdd7
[12:55 PM] Ark: @Amerion
[12:55 PM] Amerion: Oh I will
[12:55 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): lol
[12:56 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): he's cherrypicking to make it mean something different ;P
[12:57 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): unendo funk et al
[12:58 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Doperland - 07/17/2017
As said before, we aren't throwing a coup.
[12:59 PM] Curious Observations: I would post the evidence not just in that thread, but also in a new thread for the extra publicity.
[1:00 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): The Quantum Interference Device of Courlany
Seconds ago
So, what happened?
My inbox is full of messages... Reminds me of two years ago...
Courlany
[1:00 PM] Ike: Coup.
[1:03 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): @Kade W. Vasentius | Standby is here on our side
[1:03 PM] Ike: The mighty Kade Vasentius
[1:03 PM] Kade W. Vasentius | Standby: Kade here
[1:03 PM] Amerion: Okay, I'll hold off because CO is better at waging a PR war
[1:06 PM] Seraph: Oh I so want to reply on the RMB, but then I'd probably get ejected...
[1:06 PM] Ike: Do you have influence?
[1:06 PM] Seraph: I'm only up to 'sprat'
[1:06 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Your cherry picking is unbelievable. [b]I challenge your mole to find one piece of evidence in our Discord to prove that we had any intention of purging anyone.
[1:06 PM] Ike: What's the number
[1:06 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): ike fix your [b] tags :stuck_out_tongue:
[1:07 PM] Seraph: 477 spdr
[1:07 PM] Ike: yeesh
[1:07 PM] Curious Observations: Also, very important, anybody that only got ejected and not banjected should move back and begin endorsement swapping immediately.
[1:07 PM] Seraph: I did only move back to the region last week.
[1:07 PM] Ike: Good
Ike pinned a message to this channel. See all the pins.Last Monday at 1:07 PM
[1:08 PM] Ike: @here If you've been ejected instead of banned, move back and begin tarting immediately!
[1:08 PM] Curious Observations: I have not checked but I believe that is @Amerion at least
[1:08 PM] Kade W. Vasentius | Standby: I'll move my WA shortly to assist
[1:08 PM] Kade W. Vasentius | Standby: Also pulling Ding Dong down
[1:08 PM] Ike: And which one of you motherfuckers uses discord light
[1:08 PM] Amerion: Me
[1:08 PM] Ike: >_>
[1:08 PM] Vapid: banned
[1:08 PM] Amerion: Lol
[1:08 PM] Ike: swoosh
[1:09 PM] Vapid: Discord Dark master race
[1:09 PM] Vapid: 2017
[1:09 PM] Amerion: I made this joke in TSP already but: Discord Dark blackens the soul
[1:09 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): @Kade W. Vasentius | Standby thanks, lamb is not the master of ding dong after all >:)
[1:09 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): also
[1:09 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): they've removed all our forum gov maskings
[1:09 PM] Kade W. Vasentius | Standby: Ding dong is no more
[1:11 PM] Omega: Hey Res (SPSF general) wants in. Sound good?
[1:11 PM] Ike: Yeah he's peachy
[1:12 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): kicked from the laz discord >.>
[1:12 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): :stuck_out_tongue:
[1:13 PM] Seraph: I hadn't even bothered to join it again, since it was the most ujnpleasant part of being in Laz last time.
[1:13 PM] Seraph: Hey @Resentine
[1:13 PM] Resentine: Evening Ladies and Gentlefish.
[1:14 PM] Seraph: (I'm the fish, right?)
[1:14 PM] Ike: As an attack helicopter I feel discriminated against
[1:14 PM] Kade W. Vasentius | Standby: Hmm my nation CTE'd
[1:14 PM] Vapid: Funk hasn't banned me yet
[1:14 PM] Vapid: I feel repressed
[1:14 PM] Resentine: Well, I'm a bloody Battlecruiser, so don't get your blades all up in a knot.
[1:15 PM] Ike: LMAO I was banned for saying 'don't shoot'
[1:15 PM] Resentine: He hasn't banned a good number of you, which is sort of lucky, given the first time around it was a total and complete purge.
[1:15 PM] Ike: Harm still has root admin does she not
[1:16 PM] Resentine: I don't think Harm would, considering they were B&E'd,
[1:16 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): http://s15.zetaboards.com/NSLazarus/topic/10258941/1/#new
[1:16 PM] Amerion: No, she does not
[1:16 PM] Amerion: Funk holds the root
[1:16 PM] Omega: Somy I love those charges.
[1:16 PM] Ike: Everyone shut up for a second.

[1:16 PM] Ike: @Vapid was not included in the criminal charges.
[1:17 PM] Kade W. Vasentius | Standby: Doperland got banned or something already?
[1:17 PM] Omega: Oh really?
[1:17 PM] Kade W. Vasentius | Standby: Amerion's in TRR as well...
[1:18 PM] Kade W. Vasentius | Standby: Harm too
[1:18 PM] Ike: @Amerion Post your counter-evidence to the whole 'unendorse' thing asap please
[1:18 PM] Kanglia: Well shit.
[1:18 PM] Vapid: I haven't had a chance to look at the thread
[1:18 PM] Kade W. Vasentius | Standby: (Also imma Laz cit too looks at masking)
[1:19 PM] Kade W. Vasentius | Standby: Anyways moved my WA in to hopefully do something
[1:19 PM] Vapid: @Ike no, I'm in them?
[1:19 PM] Vapid: http://s15.zetaboards.com/NSLazarus/topic/10258941/1/#new
[1:19 PM] Seraph: My first criminnal accusation in NS.  I feel like I should add it to my sig.
[1:19 PM] Ike: They were just edited.
[1:20 PM] Kade W. Vasentius | Standby: Edited two minutes ago
[1:20 PM] Resentine: But still, you lot need some sort of official statement before all the Funk praise gets too piled on in the forums.
[1:20 PM] Vapid: I don't know
[1:20 PM] Omega: Agreed
[1:21 PM] Seraph: I don't even appear in the screenshots given as evidence...
[1:21 PM] Ike: The person who gave the logs has a list of members.
[1:21 PM] Ike: I'm working on an official statement
[1:22 PM] Resentine: And with that said, you'll also need to appoint a leader to this little shin-dig you got going.
[1:22 PM] Ike: Apparently that's me
[1:22 PM] Kade W. Vasentius | Standby: A statement should go out pretty soon, people in UDS and elsewhere are picking up the news
[1:23 PM] Kade W. Vasentius | Standby: Fuck I'm banned as well
[1:23 PM] Omega: TSP is in disbelief because Seraph and I are accused of treason.
[1:24 PM] Vapid: Well
[1:24 PM] Vapid: It's pretty damn obvious this is a coup
[1:25 PM] Vapid: who are our treatied allies
[1:25 PM] Kade W. Vasentius | Standby: Yeah...
[1:25 PM] Vapid: I'm not familiar with Lazarene law
[1:25 PM] Omega: TSP, TRR are the two I know of
[1:25 PM] Vapid: @thechurchofsatan I take it we can rely on you
[1:25 PM] Vapid: for TRR
[1:25 PM] Kade W. Vasentius | Standby: I'm banned discord side but still have forum masking
[1:25 PM] Vapid: Same here...
[1:26 PM] Vapid: I have the accused masking now
[1:26 PM] Omega: CoS has said he will not involve TRR
[1:26 PM] Vapid: when I last checked it was citizen
[1:26 PM] Vapid: okay
[1:26 PM] Vapid: well nevermind
[1:26 PM] Omega: Oh I was banned from the discord
[1:26 PM] Kade W. Vasentius | Standby: All of y'all are getting that mask
[1:26 PM] Vapid: sorry for the ping
[1:26 PM] Kade W. Vasentius | Standby: I got hit as well
[1:26 PM] Kade W. Vasentius | Standby: Worst case we have the LCA server >_>
[1:27 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I've banned all of them from the LCA server :stuck_out_tongue:
[1:27 PM] Seraph: Apparently I'm still just in the cosmic council group.
[1:27 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): me too
[1:28 PM] Kade W. Vasentius | Standby: I've got my LCA access cards still...
[1:28 PM] thechurchofsatan: TRR has to honor its treaty now. TRR will support you in any way it can.
[1:28 PM] Omega: Sweet
[1:29 PM] Omega: Can we get a statement on that
[1:29 PM] Kanglia: I will gather support as well.
[1:29 PM] thechurchofsatan: Already working on it.
[1:30 PM] Kanglia: Kade will you make a statement on the UDS discord about the importance of us helping
[1:30 PM] Kade W. Vasentius | Standby: @Kanglia On it
[1:30 PM] Kanglia: Thanks
[1:30 PM] Seraph: Oh, now I'm in the accused group... and I can't even reply to the accusations.
[1:30 PM] Kade W. Vasentius | Standby: I've got access for now
[1:31 PM] Vapid: Kade, are you accused?
[1:31 PM] Vapid: I didn't see your name
[1:31 PM] Kanglia: I am
[1:31 PM] Vapid: If not, they wouldn't mask you as such
[1:31 PM] Seraph: Gah, I wish I felt better versed in all this.
[1:32 PM] Seraph: I'd so be writing a lengthy blog-style post by now...
[1:34 PM] Kade W. Vasentius | Standby: I'm not yet
[1:34 PM] Kade W. Vasentius | Standby: UDS has been alerted; and we can get backup on standby
[1:36 PM] Phoenixium: Hello
[1:36 PM] Ike: hi
[1:36 PM] Vapid: you're a satanic bitch?
[1:36 PM] Vapid: Hi satanic bitch.
[1:36 PM] Vapid: I'm dad
[1:37 PM] Phoenixium: kk lel
[1:37 PM] Phoenixium: so what can I do to help
[1:37 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): endotarting is most important right now
[1:39 PM] Phoenixium: ok
[1:40 PM] Kade W. Vasentius | Standby: Anyone we need to prioritize on endorsements
[1:40 PM] Ike: Cross up, motherfuckers.
[1:40 PM] Kade W. Vasentius | Standby: I'll base off Somy for now
[1:40 PM] Kanglia: isn't WA'd up yet well fuck,
[1:41 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): @Kade W. Vasentius | Standby http://s15.zetaboards.com/NSLazarus/pages/endorse
[1:41 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): if you have no endorsements rn that works well
[1:41 PM] Kade W. Vasentius | Standby: Oooh that's a nice thing
[1:42 PM] Kade W. Vasentius | Standby: Anyone not to endo? Besides the big three
[1:43 PM] Resentine: Generally? Probably anyone spewing Funk Loyalty lines. I recommend someone assemble a list.
[1:43 PM] Ike: We're working on it
[1:44 PM] Kade W. Vasentius | Standby: Awesome
[1:44 PM] Ike: @here If someone can get me a list of WA nations seemingly imported to endorse Funk, that would be great
[1:44 PM] Phoenixium: praise Erdofunk
[1:49 PM] Phoenixium: 20 down, 100s more to go
[1:50 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): CONSPIRACY

[1:50 PM] Kade W. Vasentius | Standby: >_>
[1:50 PM] Vapid: dundun dun
[1:51 PM] Vapid: Septimanian comes from Seven
[1:51 PM] Vapid: septimanian marches has two words
[1:51 PM] Vapid: seven-two=five
[1:51 PM] Vapid: Five letters in vapid
[1:51 PM] Vapid: Septimanian Marches is vapid confirmed
[1:51 PM] thechurchofsatan: Get a government in exile going people.
[1:51 PM] Vapid: ^^^
[1:51 PM] Ike: Alright, yeah.
[1:52 PM] Kade W. Vasentius | Standby: We assembling that here or elsewhere
[1:52 PM] Ike: Government in exile. Let's figure that out.
[1:52 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): okay
[1:52 PM] thechurchofsatan: Elect new, legal government officials,  including a sovereign.
[1:52 PM] Kade W. Vasentius | Standby: New offsite for that or?
[1:52 PM] Vapid: I think Somyrion should be the interim sovereign
[1:53 PM] Vapid: Offsite forums might be a bit much
[1:53 PM] Vapid: Could we just do it on discord?
[1:53 PM] Kade W. Vasentius | Standby: Sure
[1:53 PM] Phoenixium: how long is it going to take for us to take back Lazarus?
[1:55 PM] Vapid: Possibly months.
[1:55 PM] Vapid: One thing we can't have is what happened with osiris
[1:56 PM] Vapid: where the government's legitimacy died because of inactivity
[1:56 PM] thechurchofsatan: I have an offsite forum if y'all want to use it.
[1:57 PM] Vapid: ooh.
[1:57 PM] Vapid: Might not be worth the setup though
[1:57 PM] thechurchofsatan: No setup required.
[1:58 PM] Vapid: perfect. Thank you.
[1:58 PM] thechurchofsatan: The design is...well not Lazarene but it's ready for use.
[1:58 PM] thechurchofsatan: http://s15.zetaboards.com/Wars_World/index/
[1:59 PM] Ike: oh jesus
[1:59 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): forums can be created easily :stuck_out_tongue:
[1:59 PM] Vapid: But the setup takes time
[1:59 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): not really
[1:59 PM] Vapid: Depends on how good you want it to look
[2:00 PM] Vapid: I suppose
[2:00 PM] Vapid: I like to have all my ducks in order
[2:13 PM] Canton Empire: Needless to say, but this really sucks
[2:18 PM] Ike: https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=858934 @here upvote go
[2:18 PM] Canton Empire: done
[2:19 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): done
[2:28 PM] Morozovia: done
[2:54 PM] Loftegen: Hello.
[2:54 PM] Canton Empire: Hey loft
[2:54 PM] Loftegen: 'Sup?
[2:55 PM] Ike: Welcome
[2:55 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Hey Loft
[2:55 PM] Canton Empire: Oh you know, just helping fight tyranny
[2:55 PM] Ike: Loft, join this server too
[2:55 PM] Ike: https://discord.gg/QAkQwm
INVITE EXPIRED
[2:55 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Posting this for permanent access: https://discord.gg/dw8KRmw
joined the-jump-gate
Lazarus
[2:55 PM] Canton Empire: Lamo
[2:55 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): too quick >>
[2:55 PM] Canton Empire: Lmao*
[3:03 PM] Lenlyvit: What the fuuuucckkk
[3:03 PM] Lenlyvit: What's the plan?
[3:05 PM] Kade W. Vasentius | Standby: Great question
[3:05 PM] Kade W. Vasentius | Standby: Looks like pile on loftgen for now
[3:05 PM] Morozovia: People's Revolution and ice cream
[3:05 PM] Kade W. Vasentius | Standby: Gov in exile figures out everyting else
[3:06 PM] Ike: Pile on everyone who isn't part of the gang of three, of course
[3:09 PM] Lenlyvit: Is Alunya on our side?
[3:09 PM] Canton Empire: I don't know
[3:10 PM] Doperland: Alunya probably isn't on anyone's side.
[3:12 PM] Pherttsylvania: He's as purely neutral as anyone can be probably.
[3:13 PM] Lenlyvit: He's the closest thing we have to a lead. Someone should talk to him
[3:13 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): ^
[3:13 PM] Ike: Can you do it, Somy?
[3:13 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): him? Alunya is a cat
[3:13 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Idk
[3:13 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): they never responded last time I TGed them'
[3:13 PM] Lenlyvit: He's literally the 4th highest endorsed nation
[3:15 PM] Doperland: Alunya hasn't been as active lately. I think he had some issues with people or something so he hasn't been around much.
[3:59 PM] Lenlyvit: The question is, who betrayed us?
[4:00 PM] Kade W. Vasentius | Standby: Someone on discord light... that's all I can figure out
[4:02 PM] Canton Empire: Did someone get in here?
[4:03 PM] Vapid: I think we'd have noticed
[4:03 PM] Canton Empire: True
[4:03 PM] Vapid: likely to be one of us
[4:04 PM] Vapid: Probably me, if I were to accuse anyone
[4:08 PM] Lenlyvit: Who's sending out counter telegrams?
[4:08 PM] Lenlyvit: We need too
[4:09 PM] Canton Empire: Someone needs to get into Funk's good graces
[4:09 PM] Lenlyvit: Well, funk knows I hate him.... Sooooo
[4:10 PM] Canton Empire: SO who's it gonna be?
[4:11 PM] Pherttsylvania: I don't think it'd be any of us. We'd need someone uninvolved to act as a third party maybe.
[4:11 PM] Ike: That's a useless endeavor.
[4:11 PM] Ike: He knows we're all involved, and we make no effort to hide tha.
[4:11 PM] Vapid: If you wanted the delegacy at this point, you'd have to infiltrate LWU for years, probably
[4:12 PM] Vapid: all that time, partaking in raids, doing stuff with them
[4:12 PM] Lenlyvit: LWU isn't going to give up power
[4:12 PM] Vapid: ^
[4:12 PM] Lenlyvit: And no defenders are willing to come to bat either
[4:13 PM] Ike: We need defenders
[4:14 PM] Canton Empire: Lets see if Defender Unity is a thing
[4:15 PM] Vapid: I mean, it is
[4:17 PM] Vapid: I should hope they're helping
[4:18 PM] Vapid: It's very clearly a LWU coup.
[4:18 PM] Ryccia: Hello? I do hope I am not intruding
[4:19 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): you are not :smile:
[4:19 PM] Ryccia: What is this red mask, if I could ask?
[4:20 PM] Vapid: You're a communist
[4:20 PM] Vapid: obviously
[4:20 PM] Vapid: Also, long time no see
[4:20 PM] Ryccia: If it is not my place to be here, you may kick me out if you wish
[4:20 PM] Ryccia: ?
[4:20 PM] Vapid: Cynosure
[4:20 PM] Ryccia: Oh. Hello then
[4:20 PM] Vapid: o/
[4:25 PM] Doperland: Um... Hello.
[6:59 PM] Svezjacael: inhales S'up?
[6:59 PM] Vapid: suh dude
[7:00 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): you missed a lot :stuck_out_tongue:
[7:00 PM] Svezjacael: Totally watching these dudes shred some waves bruh, wan some grass?

Yeah, I was busy working on other affairs sadly.
[7:00 PM] Vapid: RIP
[7:01 PM] Lenlyvit: RIP Lazarus 2017
[7:01 PM] Seraph: Lazarus is dead, long live Lazarus?
[7:01 PM] Svezjacael: Nah, Lazarus will always rise from the ashes.
[7:01 PM] Vapid: lol
[7:01 PM] Vapid: puns
[7:02 PM] Vapid: Lazarus is very fitting. Every time I look at what's happening, I wish I were dead for three days
[7:03 PM] Svezjacael: Only three?
[7:03 PM] Svezjacael: I'd go with 12
[7:05 PM] Morozovia: I give Funks coup maybe 5 days at most before everyone pours in with support
[7:05 PM] Svezjacael: He's already launched it?
[7:05 PM] Lenlyvit: For that, we need major numbers
[7:05 PM] Lenlyvit: Yes Svez
[7:05 PM] Lenlyvit: At minor
[7:06 PM] Morozovia: Everyone that's not a puppet sees past his prapaganda
[7:06 PM] Svezjacael: sigh always when I step out fit a day.
[7:06 PM] Lenlyvit: https://www.nationstates.net/region=Lazarus
[7:06 PM] Svezjacael: I saw that. My second mention in NSGP
[7:06 PM] Lenlyvit: All former Guardians were ejected and lost their endos
[7:07 PM] Svezjacael: Ouch.
[7:07 PM] Lenlyvit: But they sunk their own influence
[7:07 PM] Svezjacael: So now my severe propaganda article?
[7:07 PM] Svezjacael: lol
[7:10 PM] Ike: YES
[7:11 PM] Ike: edit, review, show me, then let's get it the fuck out :heart:
[7:11 PM] Chanku: I thought only a few guaridans were ejected
[7:11 PM] Svezjacael: Can do
[7:12 PM] Svezjacael: @Ike PM's? Don't want the infiltrator to see everything lol
[7:13 PM] Ike: :wink:
[7:14 PM] Morozovia: The majority of active councilors and guardian were black listed from basicly everything
[7:14 PM] Morozovia: @Chanku
[7:14 PM] Chanku: Ik
[7:16 PM] Kade W. Vasentius | Standby: Most of the LCA team still has access if we need to pull anything
[7:16 PM] Kade W. Vasentius | Standby: But yeah they took almost the entire citizenry
[7:18 PM] Atlantica: The article shouldn't published if it's still explicitly defender. I opposed making the militiary Independent when it was voted on and I still do now, but right now we need to avoid Defender rhetoric if we want support from Independents and Raiders.
[7:19 PM] Ike: ^
[7:21 PM] Svezjacael: I would edit it, but I actually just checked updates elsewhere and I'm unable to publicly comment anymore. So I'll invite somebody to take my article, edit it, and publish it themselves.
[8:22 PM] Svezjacael: So, I re-read the discussion in more detail, and I think I found a loophole that may make any claims a bit more...interesting.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/339185551494086657/339188226994470916/Screenshot_2017-07-24-18-33-07.png
According to this screen shot, the Holy Prelate of Lazarus, KK, has said "Discord is not covered under Lazarus law". This would mean because the entire movement that Ark's reasons for being removed have come from, the articles, and the movement that we Lazarene are taking against Funkadelia is not taking place in a place they can legally investigate. Because "Discord is not covered by Lazarene Law", their entire movement being (largely) Discord based, (sans a petition, which isn't illegal, and a news article which could just be chalked up to a shit post) the removals and ejection by Funkadelia and co as of late are not only a violation of their own laws, but they are legitimately considered a coup as it is Funk and Co ejecting others without trial for crimes committed in diplomatically immune channels.
Using this, we need to make a point, capitalize on what their own HP said, and bring it to attention on NSGP, Discord, and The RMB. At least, if we're in agreement we want to follow that line of dialogue we need to do these things. At the least, somebody can take a large report based on this and use it as a largely pro-La Res propaganda piece.

[8:23 PM] Lenlyvit: ^he's got a point @Ike
[8:23 PM] Ike: yes.
[8:23 PM] Ike: do that.
[8:26 PM] Morozovia: Bingo
[8:27 PM] Kade W. Vasentius | Standby: AYYY
[8:27 PM] Kade W. Vasentius | Standby: My post did something for once
[8:38 PM] Resentine: How exciting. The one day I appreciate one of good old EW's technicalities.
[9:34 PM] Ryccia: Good luck to you all
[9:34 PM] Omega: Thanks.
[11:18 PM] Vapid: what's happening?
[11:18 PM] Vapid: Anything?
[11:19 PM] Chanku: Well Hydra has declared support for Funk
[11:20 PM] Vapid: Does hydra matter?
[11:22 PM] Canton Empire: When was the last time Hyrda did something?
[11:22 PM] Chanku: A few minutes ago
[11:22 PM] Chanku: they declared their support for Funk
[11:22 PM] Canton Empire: Something important
[11:23 PM] Vapid: Back when Tom was there
[11:23 PM] Chanku: We still have to consider something
[11:23 PM] Resentine: Shame. I miss Tom.
[11:23 PM] Chanku: If they join with Funk it makes it look more and more like Raiders v Defenders
[11:23 PM] Chanku: which it isn't
[11:24 PM] Vapid: Tom is still here, Resentine
[11:24 PM] Vapid: ironically, with LWU
[11:24 PM] Resentine: Well, that's disappointing.
[11:24 PM] Resentine: I expected better from Tom.
[11:25 PM] Vapid: I mean, tom's motto is "We had to destroy the village in order to save it"
[11:25 PM] Vapid: It's his kind of org
[11:25 PM] Vapid: Chill most of the time
[11:25 PM] Vapid: but ambitious
[11:25 PM] Vapid: very ambitious
[11:26 PM] Vapid: And almost always successful
[11:26 PM] Vapid: Like, tom won't go tagging anymore
[11:26 PM] Vapid: but he's stayed up 14 nights in a row to banject libbers
[11:26 PM] Vapid: He's a different kind of raider than most folks are
[11:27 PM] Chanku: Wonder if he would support us at all.
[11:28 PM] Vapid: Unlikely(edited)
[11:28 PM] Vapid: given that he's LWU
[11:28 PM] Vapid: and that he likes drama
[11:29 PM] Chanku: Wouldn't him siding with us give him more drama?
[11:29 PM] Vapid: Not the kind he likes
[11:29 PM] Resentine: I mean, you have TSP with you. There's a reason we're a GCR of drama queens :P
July 25, 2017
[4:11 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): @Vapid are you available to WA up and tart in Laz?(edited)
[4:11 PM] Vapid: nope
[4:12 PM] Vapid: I'm in a sleeper op
[4:12 PM] Vapid: Which was complicated by Euro/TWP's invasion of my original choice
[5:04 PM] Chanku: We should change the name of this to The Resisty!
[7:03 PM] Chanku: So NPO made a statement
[7:03 PM] Canton Empire: Linky?
[7:04 PM] Chanku: https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=419561
[7:11 PM] thechurchofsatan:
 We should change the name of this to The Resisty!

That's a stupid name. :stuck_out_tongue:
[7:11 PM] Chanku: Invader Zim man
[7:13 PM] Vapid: ^
[8:46 PM] Chanku: We are now the Resisty
[8:46 PM] Vapid: vive le resisty
[8:47 PM] Chanku: XD
[9:25 PM] thechurchofsatan: And I quoted the exact line that followed your reference. :stuck_out_tongue:
[9:26 PM] thechurchofsatan: I watched that show when it first aired. So I know Invader Zim, heh.
[9:26 PM] Chanku: Ah
[9:26 PM] Vapid: nice
[9:26 PM] Chanku: Yeah
[9:27 PM] Chanku: I'm also joining with a WA for the time being
[9:27 PM] Vapid: don't say which one it is
[9:27 PM] Vapid: and be discrete
[9:28 PM] Vapid: tarting might not be a great idea
[9:29 PM] Lenlyvit:



[9:29 PM] Lenlyvit: Especially because of this
[9:29 PM] Vapid: like
[9:29 PM] Vapid: jump and cross endo
[9:30 PM] Chanku: On who?
[9:30 PM] Vapid: Each other
[9:30 PM] Vapid: Like you would on defenses
[9:30 PM] Chanku: I already put WA on my Laz nation
[9:30 PM] Vapid: don't move in and tart
[9:30 PM] Chanku: (Which has been in Laz for a bit)
[9:30 PM] Lenlyvit: Vapid, that's a really stupid idea here and won't work
[9:30 PM] Lenlyvit: Just saying
[9:30 PM] Lenlyvit: Sorry
[9:31 PM] Chanku: SO just tart?
[9:31 PM] Vapid: I mean, it's a better bet than tarting
[9:32 PM] Vapid: What would you suggest @Lenlyvit?
[9:32 PM] Chanku: Let him Banject me
[9:33 PM] Lenlyvit: ^
[9:33 PM] Lenlyvit: Wastes his influence
[9:33 PM] Chanku: got banjected XD
[9:34 PM] Lenlyvit: Aannddd.... @Vapid I don't believe Chanku was accused of a crime, right?
[9:34 PM] Vapid: To be fair, he was never a citizen
[9:34 PM] Chanku: I was actually XD
[9:34 PM] Chanku: For the same charge as everyone else
[9:35 PM] Lenlyvit: You were charged?
[9:35 PM] Chanku: Yes
[9:35 PM] Vapid: as a non-citizen?
[9:36 PM] Lenlyvit: Dam. If you weren't, we could spin it as him still violating the mandate
[9:37 PM] Chanku: I'm a non-citizen
[9:37 PM] Chanku: and I was charged
[9:37 PM] Lenlyvit: That's not right :joy:
[9:38 PM] Lenlyvit: You can't be charged if you're not a citizen
[9:41 PM] Pherttsylvania: Sure you can. Charged for trying to be a non imported citizen during a time only accepting prescreened applicants.
[9:51 PM] Omega: Umm I'm not sure about the legality of a non-citizen being charged. I will look when I get home.
[9:53 PM] Pherttsylvania: I was being glib due to the circumstances, but I don't think it would be far from the truth unfortunately.
[9:53 PM] Pherttsylvania: Omega will figure out the actual question of legality.
[10:07 PM] Omega: Yeah I'm stuck in traffic
[11:21 PM] Omega: Okay so legally I think it is up to the Holy Prelate as to if they will accept charges against non-citizens. The only requirement is that you have to be a citizen to bring forth charges.
[11:22 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): @Omega want to work with me on a master list of all the illegal things they've done so we have a reference?
[11:23 PM] Omega: Ummm maybe...
[11:24 PM] Omega: I don't know if that is the best idea as I wuld likely be a judge should a trial ever happen.
July 26, 2017
[11:58 AM] Canton Empire: I'm starting to seriously doubt our ability to win
[12:01 PM] Andrew: y?
[12:01 PM] harmoneia: that's very encouraging
[12:01 PM] harmoneia: tnx
[12:06 PM] Kade W. Vasentius | Standby: ^
[12:22 PM] Canton Empire: I mean I just haven't seen a path to victory yet
[12:23 PM] Kanglia: The path to victory is often cluttered with failures and doubts
💯3
[12:23 PM] harmoneia: thank you Kanglia for your inspirational insight
[12:24 PM] Kanglia: Everything will become clearer & easier in time. I personally believe that this will become a battle of attrition, and that LWU will soon decide that they have something better to do than to purge a sinker
[12:25 PM] Kanglia: Funk will then be left with little support, and we can capitalize then. For now, we just cannot lose hope in each other and know that our cause is just and right
[12:25 PM] harmoneia: except LWU has nothing better to do
[12:25 PM] harmoneia: They're basically dead as an invader power
[12:25 PM] harmoneia: this is their way to be important again
[12:26 PM] Kanglia: Isn't that just sad. They are so pathetic they have to organize a coup from the inside in order to have a shred of importance in NS
[12:26 PM] Kanglia: tsk tsk
[12:26 PM] harmoneia: but yes keep strong
[12:27 PM] Kanglia: It's nowhere near over yet though Canton, it literally just started a couple of days ago, these things take time & effort & a will to succeed
[12:54 PM] Ryccia: Hold strong. Good luck to you all
[12:56 PM] Wintermoot: What exactly is winning?
[12:59 PM] Resentine: Please Remember: removing the NLO took weeks upon weeks to remove. It wasn't easy, and it never will be easy, to remove a coup. The fact that we have so many people here devoted to ending one is a success within itself. Now is not the time to lose hope, because you all have barely begun to fight back. We still have a long way to go, but, if we keep getting people as dedicated as the people already here, I believe we have more than a good chance of winning this ,out.
[1:00 PM] harmoneia: Wintermoot - Today at 12:56 AM
What exactly is winning? -> indeed. No matter what, we have already lost D:
[1:00 PM] harmoneia: we can only try to halt further damage
[1:01 PM] Wintermoot: Oh I dunno about that, I'd say we have the potential to do great things here...not everything has to be about who is delegate :stuck_out_tongue:
[1:01 PM] Resentine: ^
[1:01 PM] Wintermoot: When's the last time you've seen 27 people in a channel for a cause like this?
[1:02 PM] harmoneia: If you're suggesting that Funk will abandon LWU for the right thing
[1:02 PM] harmoneia: I dunno >_>
[1:02 PM] Wintermoot: Who cares about Funk? :stuck_out_tongue:
[1:03 PM] Resentine: Don't bet on it entirely, but hey, you never know. Funk could be the Next Hile and just walk away. Bu
[1:03 PM] Resentine: But*, until then, keep fighting.
[1:03 PM] Wintermoot: We can still make the community and government that Lazarus deserves
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[1:03 PM] Resentine: Exactly
[1:04 PM] Wintermoot: Cause I can already tell you Funk will never do it
[1:06 PM] Andrew: how far back do u 2 go?
[1:07 PM] Wintermoot: Who 2?
[1:07 PM] Andrew: u and funk
[1:09 PM] Wintermoot: I can't say I've interacted with him much...he always disdained me unless he needed me or Wintreath for something, but I've observed him long enough to know that his main reason to be here is ego massaging and that he can't lead a community to activity to save his life.
[1:10 PM] Ryccia: Power corrupts. Absolutely
[1:11 PM] Wintermoot: But that's an opportunity for us ^-^
[1:11 PM] Andrew: i always hated that expression. It points blame away from the real cause
[1:13 PM] harmoneia: Funk and I go as far back as early PRL
[1:13 PM] harmoneia: and I've interacted with him a lot
[1:13 PM] harmoneia: can confirm what Wintermoot said
[1:13 PM] Andrew: he that bad?
[1:14 PM] Andrew: at generating activity i mean?
[1:14 PM] harmoneia: no
[1:14 PM] harmoneia: but, he usually doesn't care how something can harm activity, as much as he cares that everyone agrees and bows to him
[1:14 PM] Wintermoot: I can't recall anything he led that didn't end up dead. Even the FRA, as inactive as it wa befores, finally died off on his watch.
[1:15 PM] Wintermoot: *was before
[1:15 PM] Wintermoot: His previous stents as Delegate in Lazarus were lackluster at best
[1:16 PM] Andrew: so below mediocre but not shit :stuck_out_tongue:
[1:16 PM] Wintermoot: HIs only real accomplishment is having stumbled onto Stujenske's coup and complaining about the flag change, which started the whole NLO thing
[1:17 PM] Andrew: :joy:
[1:17 PM] Andrew: that is just so iconic
[1:17 PM] Andrew: his complaining actually did something :joy:
[1:17 PM] Wintermoot: It got him banned, if I remember correctly lol
[1:18 PM] Andrew: :stuck_out_tongue:
[1:19 PM] Wintermoot: I hear he drunkenly spins it as having saved Lazarus these days
[1:20 PM] harmoneia: that if it weren't for him, Laz would still be NLO
[1:20 PM] harmoneia: ie taking credit for Kazmr saving the day due to the fact that he made Kaz come back
[1:21 PM] Wintermoot: All hail the Savour of Lazarus! lol
[1:22 PM] Wintermoot: In any case, if this regime does any actual work at all, it'll probably come from Lamb, who to his credit is pretty competent.
[1:24 PM] Resentine: Is Kaz still around at all? We could use help from a figure like him.
[1:25 PM] harmoneia: no
[1:25 PM] harmoneia: but I have him on fb
[1:26 PM] Resentine: I mean... I think it's worth a shot. I liked Kaz.
[1:26 PM] harmoneia: Funk probs won't trust him
[1:27 PM] harmoneia: Milo and Kaz go way back.
[1:27 PM] Resentine: Didn't to know him very well in the aftermath of the NLO due to me heading back to TSP, but,  he seemed honest and nice enough to have around.
[1:27 PM] Wintermoot: Besides, is his fate to be being dragged back to NS everytime Lazarus has a problem? :stuck_out_tongue:
[1:27 PM] Resentine: I mean, we could at least talk to him.
[1:28 PM] harmoneia: on an OOC level, I'd rather not if it was only his charisma that we could benefit from. He seems to be having fun irl and I don't wanna bother that xD
[1:28 PM] Wintermoot: Let the man NS-rest in peace lol
[3:00 PM] Chanku: You know you can never leave NS forever :P
[3:19 PM] Kade W. Vasentius | Standby: insert yourehereforever.jpg
[11:13 AM] Canton Empire: Do you think that we could slingshot someone into the Delegacy?
[11:20 AM] Thatcher: Not realistically. Y'all probably know more than me on this, but probably not.
[11:21 AM] Thatcher: We would need an incredible amount of endorsements and a lot of public support. Things we don't have.(edited)
[11:31 AM] Canton Empire: I was thinking we throw lamb or Kk into the Delegacy
[12:05 PM] Morozovia: Umm that migh be just as equally bad
[12:06 PM] Morozovia: That wouldn't help us in any way lol
[12:11 PM] Canton Empire: It would piss of Funk
[12:12 PM] Canton Empire: Who ever becomes the Delegate when his new constitution passes will become "King" of Lazarus
[12:13 PM] Vapid: you'd need 70 endos
[12:14 PM] Vapid: And it wouldn't piss him off
[12:14 PM] Vapid: KK and Lamb are on his side
[12:14 PM] Vapid: Plus, that's just extra influence
[12:14 PM] Amerion: If we have the resources to influence 50+ endorsements (which is what it would take to launch Lamb or KK into the delegacy) then we are grossly underperforming now :joy:
[12:14 PM] Vapid: I think you forget this is essentially a LWU op
[12:15 PM] Amerion: It's continued success casts a dark shadow on my life
[12:17 PM] Canton Empire: Where are we pulling our support from?
[12:18 PM] Amerion: The native population
[12:19 PM] Canton Empire: So basically we're fighting on an unequal playing field
[12:19 PM] Amerion: Yes
[12:19 PM] Canton Empire: Well that sucks
[12:19 PM] Vapid: I mean, it is what it is
[12:19 PM] Amerion: In a way, yes. But it does make for a good story when we do win
[12:20 PM] Vapid: The minute funk decided to coup, we had the disadvantage
[12:20 PM] Vapid: We've been fighting against it well
[12:21 PM] Amerion: Indeed
[12:22 PM] Canton Empire: Do we really have the ability to turn 120 people?
[12:22 PM] Ike: You tell me.
[12:22 PM] Canton Empire: Well
[12:22 PM] Amerion: Yes. That's why you should be reaching out to everyone of them and making our case
[12:22 PM] Canton Empire: I don't think we have to turn 120
[12:23 PM] Canton Empire: It's probably a little less than that
[12:24 PM] Canton Empire: The fact that we're only using natives makes it harder. Not impossible, but hard
[12:24 PM] Amerion: It's math. He is at 250-something right now...
[12:25 PM] Canton Empire: 255
[12:25 PM] Canton Empire: Corlany has 135
[12:26 PM] Ike: He's at 255 already?
[12:26 PM] Ike: It was 263 yesterday
[12:26 PM] Ike: 270 three days ago
[12:26 PM] Ike: Net drop of 15 in under a week, that's progress.
[12:27 PM] Canton Empire: Are all bets off once his constitution passes?
[12:28 PM] Vapid: it's just a law
[12:28 PM] Amerion: Yes  @Ike. Progress :grinning:
[12:28 PM] Vapid: And an illegitimate one(edited)
[12:28 PM] Amerion: All bets were off when he went rogue ...
[12:58 PM] Canton Empire: Funk has dropped from 270 endos to 252
[12:59 PM] Ike: Clearly we're doing something right.
[12:59 PM] Morozovia: ... :confused:
[1:00 PM] Canton Empire: How ever Courlany hasn't gained endos
[1:04 PM] Resentine: Probably Because everyone who's giving Cour new endos is immediately banned.
[1:05 PM] Canton Empire: Isn't the ban list gonna fill?
[1:06 PM] Morozovia: Eventually yes
[1:06 PM] Morozovia: If they keep up their ban rate
[1:06 PM] Vapid: no matter, really
[1:06 PM] Canton Empire: Big matter
[1:07 PM] Canton Empire: Then it turns into a piling war
[1:08 PM] Resentine: One which, though slowly, is turning to our favor.
[1:08 PM] Canton Empire: Indeed
[1:09 PM] Vapid: clear the ban list
[1:13 PM] Andrew: wait so i can do my tg campaign now?
[1:13 PM] Canton Empire: Wait 12 hours
[1:16 PM] Andrew: k
[6:39 PM] Canton Empire: What's the goal to get funk down to?
[6:43 PM] Resentine: Well, I mean, preferably we get him down to below Cour.
[6:45 PM] Canton Empire: That's probably impossible
[10:22 PM] Vapid: ^
[10:22 PM] Vapid: Campaigns only work so far
[10:22 PM] Vapid: most nations give zero shits
July 31, 2017
[8:19 AM] Seraph: Hey, :@everyone could you PM me the text of any telegrams or the links for any dispatches you have written/sent for the Resistance, please?  I want to make a dispatch with everything we have.
[2:29 PM] Canton Empire: Koth brings up a good point
[2:30 PM] Canton Empire: We can't keep relying on native support and good feelings to win
[2:52 PM] Seraph: Actually, I think we can.1
[2:52 PM] Ike: We need everything including native and foreign support.
[3:03 PM] Canton Empire: Native support alone won't get us close to victory
[3:03 PM] Canton Empire: Even military support getting is there is a stretch
[6:14 PM] Andrew: so what else?
August 1, 2017
[4:21 PM] Canton Empire: We need TNP
[4:22 PM] Ike: It's coming along. We can't get impatient here.
[4:22 PM] Ike: Let's not assume we're gonna get their support and just wait for them to come. We need to act, for the moment, as though we won't be getting their support
[4:24 PM] Canton Empire: We need to start draining Funk's endos faster
[4:24 PM] Ike: And you have an idea how to do that?
[4:25 PM] Canton Empire: Start supporting the neutral movement
[4:25 PM] Canton Empire: Courlany has really stopped gaining endos, so flipping people to outside isn't really working
[4:26 PM] Canton Empire: If the neutral movement starts to grow, they'll hopefully drop Funk's endos faster
[4:28 PM] Ike: And we do that how?
[4:29 PM] Canton Empire: Give them mass tgs
[4:30 PM] Canton Empire: I have a feeling that most of Funkadelia's endorsers are neutral
[4:30 PM] Ike: Most of them are inactive.
[4:31 PM] Canton Empire: I'm sure there are enough to make a movement
[4:31 PM] Ike: If you want to draft a telegram to send to these people, I can look it over and send it if it's worth it.(edited)
[4:34 PM] Canton Empire: It would be something like: "Hey, I know you're tired of fighting, and we are too. If you unendorse Funkadelia, Scum, and Killer Kitty, we can end the fighting a whole lot faster!
[4:48 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): the 'neutral' that people are is 'I endorse whoever endorses me. I couldn't care less about the government, I'm just going to stay out of it by endorsing everyone.'
[5:06 PM] Andrew: :stuck_out_tongue:
[7:16 PM] Canton Empire: Could we pull 111 updater to liberate Laz?
[7:16 PM] Ike: I don't fuckin know, you tell me.
[7:18 PM] Canton Empire: I've heard of missions that big, but it took independents too
[7:18 PM] Vapid: I haven't
[7:18 PM] Ike: I have, but many, many years ago.
[7:18 PM] Ike: Probably over a decade.
[7:18 PM] Vapid: Wasn't it Nazi Europe?
[7:18 PM] Ike: Well, there was the NSIA
[7:18 PM] Vapid: that was 83
[7:18 PM] Ike: True
[7:18 PM] Vapid: I counted :stuck_out_tongue:
[7:19 PM] Vapid: And that was the full forces of CAIN
[7:19 PM] Canton Empire: At CAIN's peak
[7:19 PM] Ike: Unfortunately for us, the regime is not composed of Nazis.
[7:21 PM] Canton Empire: How many, hypothetically, could we pull? 45, 50?
[7:31 PM] Ike: Lower your expectations unless you have any ideas
[7:38 PM] Canton Empire: I'm expecting slim to none in terms of updating
[7:38 PM] Ike: It's okay, our conlang legion will show up any day now...
[7:39 PM] Canton Empire: Conlang?
[7:41 PM] Vapid: Navasse promised a conlang legion
[7:45 PM] Canton Empire: That sounds....
[7:45 PM] Canton Empire: Stupid
[7:46 PM] Vapid: well
[7:46 PM] Vapid: it's la navasse
[7:46 PM] Canton Empire: Yeah
[1:53 AM] Seraph: I think I'm your conlang legion, sadly.
[1:54 AM] Vapid: ew
[11:35 AM] Ryccia: Funk down to 234 endos. Keep it up guys! :D
[11:36 AM] Ike: Jesus that was fast
[11:36 AM] Canton Empire: It surprised even me
[11:37 AM] Canton Empire: The endo gap is now 101
[11:41 AM] Morozovia: You guys do know theirs coup supporters in this server right... :unamused:
[11:42 AM] Ike: Eh, whatever. Good news is good news
[11:44 AM] Resentine: It's not like they can't see the Endo count Moro.
[11:44 AM] Morozovia: I'm sure they've notice the decrease. Bet they'll just ship in more raiders soon too
[11:44 AM] Morozovia: @Resentine Yeah but telling them our target endorsement...
[11:45 AM] Resentine: Trust me. They know.
[11:45 AM] Resentine: Saying it here doesn't change that.