DeathEnhanced

part 2

Oct 22nd, 2012
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  1. [20:33:55] <DE> [19:33] <+TheGrandmaster> I think that the new ideas that dan posted / danhezee ya'll stealin mah cr3dz
  2. [20:34:02] <DE> lol
  3. [20:34:07] <TheGrandmaster> >mumble peeps
  4. [20:34:14] <DE> >peeps
  5. [20:34:14] <StackOverflow> one of the biggest problems is the clan system as it is currently. it's a manual process, both for the users and moderators
  6. [20:34:43] <DE> so we need more automation
  7. [20:34:59] <SallyTheButcher> This is my concern to Stack I would love for everyone to spend more time on what they love and enjoy and less on maintenance and admin
  8. [20:35:00] <TheGrandmaster> that's what I said
  9. [20:35:09] <SallyTheButcher> ...unless you love admin of course :P
  10. [20:35:11] <Tin-> Moderators? For the official, Clans don't have any moderator specificed. More automation comes with a system on managing clans.
  11. [20:35:14] <TheGrandmaster> http://ace-spades.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=
  12. 17138&sid=42b18188c79a161d1551eac996856887&start=1
  13. 5#p271325
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  15. [20:35:27] <StackOverflow> so what do you expect to do about that?
  16. [20:35:50] <MKU`Off> I'll vote for anyone that promises less hope for others.
  17. [20:35:59] *** jagesisk was kicked by DE (jagesisk)
  18. [20:36:02] <StackOverflow> get back to work mku
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  20. [20:36:19] <MKU`Off> But I finished ._.
  21. [20:36:27] *** DE sets mode: +b *!*@server50020.uk2net.com
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  23. [20:36:36] <StackOverflow> dem proxies
  24. [20:36:52] <SallyTheButcher> So out of interest, if you had no limits, and could think really big, what would you all want to see to develop clans?
  25. [20:37:05] <StackOverflow> [14:34] <+StackOverflow> so what do you expect to do about that?
  26. [20:37:08] <StackOverflow> SallyTheButcher ^
  27. [20:37:09] <SallyTheButcher> (brb I am just grabbing food - 1 min)
  28. [20:37:21] <MKU`Off> [12:36:43] <+SallyTheButcher> So out of interest, if you had no limits, and could think really big, what would you all want to see to develop clans?
  29. [20:37:24] <Frosty> >Getting food
  30. [20:37:27] <MKU`Off> Player interest.
  31. [20:37:32] <DE> Frosty, don't be a troll.
  32. [20:37:41] <Frosty> Awww, ok :(
  33. [20:37:46] <Frosty> I was about to write something witty
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  38. [20:38:05] *** DE sets mode: +v SneakyMobile
  39. [20:38:16] <SneakyMobile> Thanks
  40. [20:38:17] <danhezee> Frosty: damn you and your agenda
  41. [20:38:20] <Frosty> lol
  42. [20:38:30] <Frosty> she still hasn't responded to my query
  43. [20:38:30] <Colorpinpoint> brb 40 mins
  44. [20:38:34] *** Quits: Colorpinpoint (~nobody@38.104.251.66) (Signed off)
  45. [20:38:48] <MKU`Off> Frosty, she only replies to jdrew's
  46. [20:38:53] <Frosty> lol
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  48. [20:38:58] <Jdrew> ok
  49. [20:39:01] <Jdrew> lets do this
  50. [20:39:13] <DE> o.e
  51. [20:39:16] <EldredChandler> :<
  52. [20:39:18] <danhezee> now write incoherently
  53. [20:39:20] <EldredChandler> plz no frosty
  54. [20:39:24] <DE> shut yo punk ass up
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  56. [20:39:30] <Jdrew> nu iiii edo wather
  57. [20:39:39] <SallyTheButcher> back
  58. [20:39:40] <Frosty> Mwahaha
  59. [20:39:42] <Jdrew> fec u snackybostard
  60. [20:39:50] <Jdrew> hyyyy sallie
  61. [20:39:58] <SallyTheButcher> U trolling? :P
  62. [20:40:04] <MKU`Off> >trolling
  63. [20:40:07] <Jdrew> Yes
  64. [20:40:07] *** DE sets mode: -v Jdrew
  65. [20:40:07] *** Q sets mode: +v Jdrew
  66. [20:40:11] <Jdrew> I am great at it
  67. [20:40:12] <DE> ...
  68. [20:40:17] <Jdrew> the heck happend then lol
  69. [20:40:24] <Jdrew> Gimme back my nick Sneaky :<
  70. [20:40:27] <StackOverflow> jdrew can not be silenced so easily
  71. [20:40:29] <danhezee> poor jdrew
  72. [20:40:30] *** DE sets mode: -v Jdrew
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  74. [20:40:33] <DE> there we go
  75. [20:40:55] <SallyTheButcher> no aswers to my question huh?
  76. [20:41:06] <DE> SallyTheButcher which Q?
  77. [20:41:13] <StackOverflow> [14:40] <+SallyTheButcher> no aswers to my question huh?
  78. [20:41:15] <danhezee> no answer to their question either
  79. [20:41:15] <StackOverflow> I know that feel
  80. [20:41:22] <StackOverflow> [14:36] <+StackOverflow> [14:34] <+StackOverflow> so what do you expect to do about that?
  81. [20:41:22] <StackOverflow> [14:36] <+StackOverflow> SallyTheButcher ^
  82. [20:41:32] <StackOverflow> quotes quotes quotes
  83. [20:41:36] <SallyTheButcher> what was that in relation to Stack
  84. [20:41:40] <Silnius> SallyTheButcher:
  85. [20:41:50] <SallyTheButcher> I hav no idea otherwise and can't answer
  86. [20:42:04] <StackOverflow> [14:32] <+StackOverflow> do you expect to continue using the forums in their current state with all of this clan discussion?
  87. [20:42:05] <SallyTheButcher> don't make me trawl the chat plox ;-)
  88. [20:42:22] <EldredChandler> I wont babby
  89. [20:42:30] <SallyTheButcher> All what clan discussion? For now yeah things are as they are
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  94. [20:42:55] <danhezee> when you make your big bang are you wiping the forums?
  95. [20:43:01] <StackOverflow> all of these ideas that you have/that are being discussed, are they applicable to the current forums?
  96. [20:43:21] <StackOverflow> because it's quite obvious that the current clan structure is not ideal
  97. [20:43:34] <danhezee> The only reason i can think of the big bang would be to hide negative backlash from wiping the forums
  98. [20:43:40] <StackOverflow> I'm curious as to how you expect to fix it
  99. [20:44:07] <uvs> If I think big (still keeping in mind AoSs smaller playerbase) I think more in the terms of a community type website with a forum on the side. There would be clan managing and ability to schedual matches. It is the natural step. The forum setup that we have today I belive is mostly because it was easy implement.
  100. [20:44:13] <SallyTheButcher> If you are asking me to discuss things to come you know I can't quite yet, but we will talk more about all that pretty soon
  101. [20:44:38] <DE> SallyTheButcher then tell us if that is a possibility. not if it WILL happen
  102. [20:44:40] <StackOverflow> been hearing that for months
  103. [20:44:43] <StackOverflow> [14:34] <+SallyTheButcher> This is my concern to Stack I would love for everyone to spend more time on what they love and enjoy and less on maintenance and admin
  104. [20:44:53] <StackOverflow> this is relative to the clan section, which is being discussed
  105. [20:45:11] <danhezee> uvs: not easy to implement but forced to implement because we couldnt get the tools to do anything else
  106. [20:45:20] <danhezee> no access to the server
  107. [20:45:28] <SallyTheButcher> uvs: Thanks, all this input is useful to me. So having your own space and tools to manage it would be useful in your opinion
  108. [20:46:37] <uvs> SallyTheButcher: I would manage the same thing, but with "correct tools". The forum setup is not ideal for these type of things.
  109. [20:46:49] <StackOverflow> this is what I'm asking
  110. [20:46:50] <StackOverflow> you claim to acknowledge that the clan system needs adjustments
  111. [20:47:03] <uvs> To answer you question: Yes, I think that they would be very useful.
  112. [20:47:04] <StackOverflow> so how would you go about fixing that?
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  114. [20:47:25] <SallyTheButcher> Anything is a possibility, but as I said you won't have to wait long for more on that (I know we said things are coming, and they are)
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  116. [20:48:17] <DE> SallyTheButcher are you able to give us any timelime at all?
  117. [20:48:18] <Silnius> So when "things" will be here according to you ? Like soon, or in 2 months ?
  118. [20:48:20] <DE> for things to come
  119. [20:48:33] <SallyTheButcher> personally I think you'd need to start afresh with a system that incorprates the ideals of clan leaders and want to be clan leaders.
  120. [20:48:51] <StackOverflow> so wiping the forums
  121. [20:49:04] <SallyTheButcher> Sometimes when you keep to a system and adjust and adjust and adjust it just becomes broken or you out grow it
  122. [20:49:10] <Silnius> [20:48] <@DE> SallyTheButcher are you able to give us any timelime at all? [20:48] <+Silnius> So when "things" will be here according to you ? Like soon, or in 2 months ? [20:48] <@DE> for things to come
  123. [20:49:23] <SallyTheButcher> I am referencing the clan system
  124. [20:49:33] <danhezee> So this new clan system is just a guise to wipe the forums
  125. [20:49:47] <StackOverflow> take a look at jagex's "timelines" and "deadlines" and you'll get a pretty clear image of how good they are at time management :P
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  127. [20:49:54] <SallyTheButcher> We will be talking more in the coming weeks, all I can say
  128. [20:49:59] <uvs> What is this obsession with wiping the forums?
  129. [20:50:03] <StackOverflow> you said that months ago
  130. [20:50:11] <SallyTheButcher> Thanks Stack that was nice and constructive
  131. [20:50:17] <StackOverflow> well it's true
  132. [20:50:27] <SallyTheButcher> you know I can't give details so why kepp asking
  133. [20:50:27] <StackOverflow> just going off of some jagex documents :D
  134. [20:50:35] <danhezee> Sucks that after 5 years of experience you still arent allowed to say anything
  135. [20:50:38] <Silnius> Why you don't just give a kind of timelime ? We are always waiting for something happens, but nothing happens;
  136. [20:50:42] <SallyTheButcher> Jagex' documents huh
  137. [20:50:52] <danhezee> or make any decisions without being micromanaged
  138. [20:51:06] <DE> SallyTheButcher jagex's 'secrets' are about as well kept as the aos staff's. hint hint
  139. [20:51:10] <Kodisleep> welp
  140. [20:51:12] <StackOverflow> [14:48] <+SallyTheButcher> Sometimes when you keep to a system and adjust and adjust and adjust it just becomes broken or you out grow it
  141. [20:51:13] <Kodisleep> morning
  142. [20:51:16] *** Kodisleep is now known as Kodiak
  143. [20:51:19] <DE> Kodiak, morning
  144. [20:51:22] <StackOverflow> or maybe you could spend some time learning how the current system works
  145. [20:51:28] <StackOverflow> both from a community perspective and a technical one
  146. [20:51:31] <Kodiak> 5 am \o/
  147. [20:51:35] <StackOverflow> and work from there ;)
  148. [20:51:41] <Kodiak> but I picked a good time to wake up, heya Sally
  149. [20:51:47] <MKU`Off> [12:51:19] <+StackOverflow> both from a community perspective and a technical one
  150. [20:51:50] <MKU`Off> Not possible.
  151. [20:51:50] <danhezee> Hi Kodiak
  152. [20:51:54] <SallyTheButcher> Hello there Kodiak
  153. [20:52:23] <StackOverflow> MKU`Off, sorry, I'm an idealist
  154. [20:52:24] <StackOverflow> realist*
  155. [20:52:35] <uvs> StackOverflow: Do you not think that AoS might be growing out of a forum based clan system?
  156. [20:52:36] <danhezee> a bothist
  157. [20:52:45] <DE> danhezee hehe
  158. [20:52:47] <StackOverflow> I hate the current system
  159. [20:52:50] <StackOverflow> never liked it
  160. [20:52:52] <uvs> lol
  161. [20:53:04] <uvs> I agree, it isn't optimal
  162. [20:53:09] <StackOverflow> but wiping the forums to attempt to solve that issue isn't necessary
  163. [20:53:42] <StackOverflow> all this was discussed yesterdayu
  164. [20:54:15] <uvs> Ofcourse wiping the forums is not a solution, but I don't think anyone has suggested that either.
  165. [20:54:20] <SallyTheButcher> Erm I didn't say anything about the forums
  166. [20:54:37] <StackOverflow> [14:47] <+SallyTheButcher> personally I think you'd need to start afresh with a system that incorprates the ideals of clan leaders and want to be clan leaders.
  167. [20:54:43] <StackOverflow> >start afresh with a system
  168. [20:54:54] <StackOverflow> >system is currently integrated with the forums
  169. [20:55:03] <uvs> The issue is finding a new system to manage clans and matches in an easy way.
  170. [20:55:08] <Kodiak> DE: Did you still have my link, or has that been discussed already
  171. [20:55:11] <StackOverflow> not to mention you guys have mentioned wiping the forums on several occasions
  172. [20:55:12] <uvs> And you do not agree StackOverflow ?
  173. [20:55:13] <Kodiak> also Tin- are you still here
  174. [20:55:30] <DE> Kodiak http://pastebin.com/sBTuN5GN
  175. [20:55:34] <uvs> You just said it your self that you hate the current system?
  176. [20:55:34] <StackOverflow> I agree entirely. but that doesn't mean it can't still be integrated with the forums
  177. [20:55:39] <Kodiak> cheers
  178. [20:55:42] <StackOverflow> while still providing necessary tools for clans
  179. [20:55:46] <StackOverflow> and making moderation easier
  180. [20:55:56] <uvs> I guess that it can, but it would be so much easier to integrate the forums in a new sytem
  181. [20:55:59] <uvs> *system
  182. [20:56:10] <uvs> dont you think?
  183. [20:56:44] <Kodiak> http://pastebin.com/sBTuN5GN have a ready if you feel so inclined SallyTheButcher
  184. [20:56:50] <Kodiak> read* rather
  185. [20:57:17] <Kodiak> oh hang on that's not it
  186. [20:57:37] <StackOverflow> as much as I want to see clans have everything they need, they aren't the only part of the community
  187. [20:57:50] <SallyTheButcher> So do you know how many clans have this sort of thing: http://komrades.org/
  188. [20:57:55] <TheGrandmaster> in terms of scalability, the new proposal + scripts would make it much more scalable
  189. [20:57:56] <StackOverflow> starting the "system" from scratch in an attempt to possibly fix the clan issue isn't ideal
  190. [20:58:00] <TheGrandmaster> SallyTheButcher: about 3?
  191. [20:58:00] <tiki> not many sally
  192. [20:58:00] <DE> SallyTheButcher most do not require it.
  193. [20:58:02] <MKU`Off> Facebook is the only community, don't be foolish, Stack.
  194. [20:58:14] <StackOverflow> TheGrandmaster, new proposal?
  195. [20:58:17] <StackOverflow> from yesterday or today
  196. [20:58:19] <SallyTheButcher> DE: why?
  197. [20:58:43] <DE> SallyTheButcher, well Bastion operates perfectly fine as we are. we have no need for a website. we would gain nothing
  198. [20:59:00] <SallyTheButcher> is it not preferable to having your whole clan operate on the forums
  199. [20:59:03] <DE> mostly the websites are for clans that are no longer jsut aos clans
  200. [20:59:15] <danhezee> RoT has a site
  201. [20:59:26] <StackOverflow> implying they know who rot is
  202. [20:59:27] <Silnius> Well i take a website/forum because lot of people on my clan are not english
  203. [20:59:32] <DE> exactly Bastion all operates on the forums. the kommies/ldr/rot are all inactive to a large extent on aos
  204. [20:59:35] <tiki> also means non clan members can participate in discussion without having to make accounts on each clans website
  205. [20:59:37] <danhezee> RoT is the most sincere clan ever
  206. [20:59:43] <EldredChandler> ^
  207. [20:59:46] <EldredChandler> They so sweet
  208. [20:59:49] <Kodiak> Found it, SallyTheButcher DE danhezee StackOverflow http://pastebin.com/W6GwmURr
  209. [20:59:55] <Kodiak> also TheGrandmaster*
  210. [21:00:07] <Silnius> tiki : there is irc for talk :P
  211. [21:00:10] <MKU`Off> [12:59:22] <@DE> exactly Bastion all operates on the forums. the kommies/ldr/rot are all inactive to a large extent on aos
  212. [21:00:11] <Silnius> But yo'ure right
  213. [21:00:14] <MKU`Off> the kommies/ldr/rot
  214. [21:00:15] <DE> oh yeh, forgot to pas that on for you. sorry Kodiak :s
  215. [21:00:19] <MKU`Off> kommies
  216. [21:00:20] <TheGrandmaster> sounds like clanbase
  217. [21:00:25] <DE> MKU`Off, YEH.
  218. [21:00:26] <Kodiak> no problem
  219. [21:00:31] <Kodiak> pretty much TheGrandmaster
  220. [21:00:31] <DE> 80 members, less then 1/5 active
  221. [21:00:35] <DE> 70*
  222. [21:00:35] <MKU`Off> Define an "active" clan.
  223. [21:00:45] <DE> MKU`Off, participate on forums/irc/in game
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  226. [21:01:00] <StackOverflow> you can't measure participation like that
  227. [21:01:01] <StackOverflow> it's stupid
  228. [21:01:20] <StackOverflow> ingame can't be measured
  229. [21:01:23] <StackOverflow> irc isn't accurate
  230. [21:01:25] <StackOverflow> neither is forums
  231. [21:01:41] <DE> I don't see kommies doing much of anytihng in aos
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  233. [21:01:46] <DE> hence i say they are not very aos active
  234. [21:02:03] <MKU`Off> Considering that only SPQR and Bastion are the only clans that fully do that.
  235. [21:02:08] <danhezee> I think clan sponsored events would be a good indicator
  236. [21:02:18] <MKU`Off> Ok guys, remove all clan section besides SPQR and Bastion.
  237. [21:02:23] <EldredChandler> lol
  238. [21:02:23] <SallyTheButcher> Kodiak: ooo nice I will have a good read
  239. [21:02:50] <DE> MKU`Off actually there are about another 4-5 susbections that will probs be removed due to ianctivity
  240. [21:03:12] <DE> inactivity*
  241. [21:03:26] <danhezee> I think komrades are like most of the community stagnant because of jagex and their inability to give anyone any idea of what the future of AoS is.
  242. [21:03:33] <Silnius> Like StackOverflow said, " you can't measure participation like that"
  243. [21:03:51] <DE> Silnius StackOverflow, okay. ill redact that statement, after condieration.
  244. [21:03:59] <MKU`Off> DE just wants clan standards to revolve around his own clan.
  245. [21:04:03] <StackOverflow> it's not something you decided on
  246. [21:04:11] <DE> SallyTheButcher, If we could host a decent website, then im sure Bastion would make one. we havnt really looked into it yet
  247. [21:04:11] <StackOverflow> the fact that it's part of the application process is just stupid
  248. [21:04:14] <Kodiak> MKU`Off and I have hung around in #Komrade a lot danhezee
  249. [21:04:23] <EldredChandler> same lately
  250. [21:04:26] <Kodiak> they're active, just not so AoS oriented anymore
  251. [21:04:39] <DE> MKU`Off, your not being constructive now, just attakcing me. quit it
  252. [21:04:40] <SallyTheButcher> So are all clans into the competition of clans or are there currently specialist clans/groups such as modders or creative types
  253. [21:04:56] <danhezee> Well in the interest of this conversation they arent that active
  254. [21:04:57] <Kodiak> yes
  255. [21:04:58] <MKU`Off> Is this not a debate?
  256. [21:05:07] <MKU`Off> From what I see, it is.
  257. [21:05:07] <kmaj> there are social clans
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  259. [21:05:10] <danhezee> Not trying to insult the clan
  260. [21:05:16] <DE> MKU`Off, this is a jagex related clan disscusion. not a rag on DE disscusion
  261. [21:05:17] <Kodiak> SallyTheButcher: Media groups, you mean?
  262. [21:05:23] <SallyTheButcher> kmaj: cheers
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  264. [21:05:32] <MKU`Off> >dicussion
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  266. [21:05:39] <MKU`Off> discussion*
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  269. [21:05:54] <Carnage`> Sup SallyTheButcher
  270. [21:05:54] <DE> MKU`Off, get back on topic or devoice.
  271. [21:05:55] <SallyTheButcher> Clans that aren't focused around competition / being the no. 1 clan etc
  272. [21:06:13] <SallyTheButcher> hey Carnage`
  273. [21:06:14] <danhezee> That would be every clan right now
  274. [21:06:22] <StackOverflow> most clans aren't necessarily competitive really. at least not like in a lot of other communitities
  275. [21:06:27] <StackOverflow> it's usually a group of friends
  276. [21:06:29] <DE> there are no real competitive based clans atm
  277. [21:06:35] <TheGrandmaster> there used to be
  278. [21:06:36] <danhezee> they hang out and play together
  279. [21:06:42] <SallyTheButcher> But is competition something that most would aspire to if there was enough support and activity
  280. [21:06:51] <DE> SallyTheButcher yes.
  281. [21:06:53] <MKU`Off> No.
  282. [21:07:05] <StackOverflow> it depends on the individual clans
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  287. [21:07:20] <danhezee> I think not must clans would rather have no record than a chance to have a loosing record
  288. [21:07:20] <StackOverflow> some want competition. most, like I said, are just groups of friends who play together
  289. [21:07:24] <DE> if the support was there, i think we would see more competitive based clans
  290. [21:07:34] *** DE sets mode: +v SneakyBastard
  291. [21:07:35] <tiki> yeah its not like theres a friends system in the game >.<
  292. [21:08:02] * StackOverflow still has a friend system that he never launched because I thought opengl was going to be out forever ago
  293. [21:08:04] <danhezee> Don't tiki, SallyTheButcher will fix that
  294. [21:08:13] <SallyTheButcher> OK so most are groups of friends, yet they need a certain level of activity to be recognised
  295. [21:08:22] <tiki> with a facebook login danhezee thats what we really need
  296. [21:08:22] <danhezee> Don't worry*
  297. [21:08:33] <Kodiak> as far as competetion goes all we really have is this http://aos.mp2.dk
  298. [21:08:35] <StackOverflow> yes. lets just shift everything to facebook
  299. [21:08:36] <StackOverflow> and instagram
  300. [21:08:41] <MKU`Off> For reference, I would like to point out wrong statements but in doing so, DE will mute me because that's how this "discussion" works.
  301. [21:08:51] <Kodiak> it's a wobbly system and it's the individual rather than a clan system
  302. [21:08:53] <DE> MKU`Off, ignore me. talk to sally.
  303. [21:08:57] <DE> or jsut leave.
  304. [21:09:00] <DE> just* :P
  305. [21:09:05] <SallyTheButcher> Aye Kodiak I have seen the server rankings
  306. [21:09:16] <StackOverflow> leaderboards are stupid
  307. [21:09:18] * StackOverflow hates everything
  308. [21:09:22] <danhezee> I want to press f5 and automatically upload to instagram with a cool filter
  309. [21:09:22] <Tin-> ^
  310. [21:09:28] <StackOverflow> it's a huge security threat
  311. [21:09:29] <Kodiak> but I suppose if a leader feels so inclined to make his/her members use that then it works, but only to a degree
  312. [21:09:31] <MKU`Off> DE, that would implying that Sally listens to anything anyone actually says.
  313. [21:09:32] <StackOverflow> social engineering
  314. [21:09:33] <Kodiak> it's okay we hate you too StackOverflow
  315. [21:09:34] <StackOverflow> how does it work
  316. [21:09:39] <Tin-> lol
  317. [21:10:12] <SallyTheButcher> MKU, believe it or not I do listen
  318. [21:10:21] <Tin-> Anyways, enjoy this discussion. I am leaving. Cya.
  319. [21:10:27] *** tiki (tiki@Tiki-.users.quakenet.org) has left #thebastion
  320. [21:10:29] <DE> Tin- bai
  321. [21:10:29] <Kodiak> bai
  322. [21:10:31] <danhezee> bye Tin-
  323. [21:10:35] <SallyTheButcher> I have been feeding back since I started
  324. [21:10:39] <SallyTheButcher> cya Tin
  325. [21:10:57] <Tin-> Sally, I will PM you tomorrow with some ideas tomorrow o/
  326. [21:11:06] <MKU`Off> [13:10:03] <+SallyTheButcher> MKU, believe it or not I do listen
  327. [21:11:13] <SallyTheButcher> Cheers Tin- appreciate it
  328. [21:11:33] <MKU`Off> Care to expound on what important questions stack has been asking?
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  330. [21:11:54] <StackOverflow> no MKU`Off, I don't want to make you hopeful :(
  331. [21:12:05] <MKU`Off> Oh yeah..
  332. [21:12:13] <uvs> I didn't relly think about it like that but I think you have a point there, danhezee (regarding a lot of clans rather having no record than a losing one)
  333. [21:12:17] <danhezee> Sorry for stack and dan making you hopeful
  334. [21:12:41] <MKU`Off> SallyTheButcher: Disregard that last thing I said, because having hope is a sin.
  335. [21:12:47] <StackOverflow> I'm a bit biased, I don't really get into the "competitive" side of aos (implying there is one)
  336. [21:12:51] <StackOverflow> I just like playing with friends
  337. [21:12:56] <SallyTheButcher> So maybe we think about a system that works to take that into account uvs ?
  338. [21:13:13] <SallyTheButcher> or offer a range of ways of ranking
  339. [21:13:14] <danhezee> somehow we need to have an ice breaker event for clan records, let them no it is no big deal to have a losing record
  340. [21:13:45] <TheGrandmaster> SallyTheButcher: I believe a variation of our current system, but with more automated elements would work
  341. [21:13:45] <StackOverflow> even if it's not an "official" record, people will still keep track
  342. [21:13:52] <SallyTheButcher> Not every clan will be top but can still enjoy an improvement together as a group
  343. [21:13:59] <danhezee> what range do you have in mind SallyTheButcher
  344. [21:14:03] <StackOverflow> TheGrandmaster, no. you speak of witchcraft
  345. [21:14:24] <TheGrandmaster> perhaps current isn't the right word
  346. [21:14:27] <MKU`Off> As I said in that pointless thread you posted on the forums: if you are going to answer questions in the future, quit pretending that you are going to answer them now.
  347. [21:14:28] <uvs> I'm all for a competative community, but as it is today, most clans aren't - so that might not be bad thinking, SallyTheButcher
  348. [21:14:31] <TheGrandmaster> we're debating improvements right now
  349. [21:14:59] <SallyTheButcher> TheGrandmaster: it's possible I am not saying it's not, but is that the best system that could be offered going forwards
  350. [21:14:59] <MKU`Off> tGM, DE will mute you if you debate.
  351. [21:15:21] <Kodiak> Ya I like most of TheGrandmaster's ideas, what I based my own around albeit with minor fiddles
  352. [21:15:21] <TheGrandmaster> ": it's possible I am not saying it's not, " mind translating? :p
  353. [21:15:27] <Kodiak> forum system is cool
  354. [21:15:41] <StackOverflow> going to make some eggs. seems more productive right now
  355. [21:15:41] <danhezee> I miss Frosty and his agenda
  356. [21:15:49] <EldredChandler> lol
  357. [21:15:54] <EldredChandler> We all do
  358. [21:16:04] <SallyTheButcher> MKU`Off: not sure how I am 'pretending' to answer them? I thought I had been quite clear that I am not in a position to answer many of the questions being asked right now?
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  360. [21:16:31] *** DE sets mode: +v gen_applejack
  361. [21:16:33] *** DE sets mode: +v USABxBOOYO
  362. [21:16:37] <USABxBOOYO> Welp
  363. [21:16:45] <uvs> MKU`Off: Its not a debate as much as it is a discussion.
  364. [21:16:46] <USABxBOOYO> I see I still have a greeting
  365. [21:17:03] <MKU`Off> But it's wrong to have an opinion, uvs.
  366. [21:17:07] <SallyTheButcher> TheGrandmaster: Well if you do whatever we discussed scripts et or whatever to automate a lot then you could keep on top of it, but would it provide the best overall system? I am not convinced
  367. [21:17:15] <uvs> correct. wait, what?
  368. [21:17:21] <uvs> :P
  369. [21:17:50] <danhezee> how are you not convinced SallyTheButcher
  370. [21:17:58] <danhezee> elaborate
  371. [21:18:04] *** PABH_Away is now known as PABH
  372. [21:18:25] <USABxBOOYO> !logs
  373. [21:18:26] <DE> USABxBOOYO yeh you havn;t been in so long i didnt bother removing it
  374. [21:18:28] <MKU`Off> SallyTheButcher: If you read closely, which might be hard, I said "quit pretending that you are GOING to answer them now"
  375. [21:18:42] <USABxBOOYO> Oh wait, can't see the logs anyway
  376. [21:19:01] <EldredChandler> lol, there will be full ones up later USABxBOOYO
  377. [21:19:03] <SallyTheButcher> danhezee: I don't thinkit has mass appeal, I think it's great right now.
  378. [21:19:10] <DE> USABxBOOYO ill post logs later
  379. [21:19:15] <uvs> USABxBOOYO : This is a start: http://pastebin.com/sBTuN5GN
  380. [21:19:31] <danhezee> USABxBOOYO: sally said vague things with no details
  381. [21:19:36] <SallyTheButcher> MKU`Off: still don't know how I am doing this but hey
  382. [21:20:03] <USABxBOOYO> danhezee: I'm not even sure why I asked for logs now that I realize who this was a meeting with
  383. [21:20:21] <PABH> Is this pastebin worth a look, uvs?
  384. [21:20:27] <MKU`Off> [13:10:03] <+SallyTheButcher> MKU, believe it or not I do listen
  385. [21:20:28] <MKU`Off> [13:11:23] <+MKU`Off> Care to expound on what important questions stack has been asking?
  386. [21:20:31] <Kodiak> realise*
  387. [21:20:32] <Kodiak> gosh
  388. [21:20:49] <USABxBOOYO> SallyTheButcher: Off-topic but the 0.75 download link on the main page looks no bueno
  389. [21:20:56] <uvs> it is just a log over the first 30min of this discussion, PABH
  390. [21:21:11] <uvs> and: not really :P
  391. [21:21:14] <PABH> Is THIS discussion worth it, then?
  392. [21:21:15] <PABH> Hm. ok
  393. [21:21:19] <uvs> :)
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