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- [20:33:55] <DE> [19:33] <+TheGrandmaster> I think that the new ideas that dan posted / danhezee ya'll stealin mah cr3dz
- [20:34:02] <DE> lol
- [20:34:07] <TheGrandmaster> >mumble peeps
- [20:34:14] <DE> >peeps
- [20:34:14] <StackOverflow> one of the biggest problems is the clan system as it is currently. it's a manual process, both for the users and moderators
- [20:34:43] <DE> so we need more automation
- [20:34:59] <SallyTheButcher> This is my concern to Stack I would love for everyone to spend more time on what they love and enjoy and less on maintenance and admin
- [20:35:00] <TheGrandmaster> that's what I said
- [20:35:09] <SallyTheButcher> ...unless you love admin of course :P
- [20:35:11] <Tin-> Moderators? For the official, Clans don't have any moderator specificed. More automation comes with a system on managing clans.
- [20:35:14] <TheGrandmaster> http://ace-spades.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=
- 17138&sid=42b18188c79a161d1551eac996856887&start=1
- 5#p271325
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- [20:35:27] <StackOverflow> so what do you expect to do about that?
- [20:35:50] <MKU`Off> I'll vote for anyone that promises less hope for others.
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- [20:36:02] <StackOverflow> get back to work mku
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- [20:36:19] <MKU`Off> But I finished ._.
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- [20:36:36] <StackOverflow> dem proxies
- [20:36:52] <SallyTheButcher> So out of interest, if you had no limits, and could think really big, what would you all want to see to develop clans?
- [20:37:05] <StackOverflow> [14:34] <+StackOverflow> so what do you expect to do about that?
- [20:37:08] <StackOverflow> SallyTheButcher ^
- [20:37:09] <SallyTheButcher> (brb I am just grabbing food - 1 min)
- [20:37:21] <MKU`Off> [12:36:43] <+SallyTheButcher> So out of interest, if you had no limits, and could think really big, what would you all want to see to develop clans?
- [20:37:24] <Frosty> >Getting food
- [20:37:27] <MKU`Off> Player interest.
- [20:37:32] <DE> Frosty, don't be a troll.
- [20:37:41] <Frosty> Awww, ok :(
- [20:37:46] <Frosty> I was about to write something witty
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- [20:38:16] <SneakyMobile> Thanks
- [20:38:17] <danhezee> Frosty: damn you and your agenda
- [20:38:20] <Frosty> lol
- [20:38:30] <Frosty> she still hasn't responded to my query
- [20:38:30] <Colorpinpoint> brb 40 mins
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- [20:38:48] <MKU`Off> Frosty, she only replies to jdrew's
- [20:38:53] <Frosty> lol
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- [20:38:58] <Jdrew> ok
- [20:39:01] <Jdrew> lets do this
- [20:39:13] <DE> o.e
- [20:39:16] <EldredChandler> :<
- [20:39:18] <danhezee> now write incoherently
- [20:39:20] <EldredChandler> plz no frosty
- [20:39:24] <DE> shut yo punk ass up
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- [20:39:30] <Jdrew> nu iiii edo wather
- [20:39:39] <SallyTheButcher> back
- [20:39:40] <Frosty> Mwahaha
- [20:39:42] <Jdrew> fec u snackybostard
- [20:39:50] <Jdrew> hyyyy sallie
- [20:39:58] <SallyTheButcher> U trolling? :P
- [20:40:04] <MKU`Off> >trolling
- [20:40:07] <Jdrew> Yes
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- [20:40:11] <Jdrew> I am great at it
- [20:40:12] <DE> ...
- [20:40:17] <Jdrew> the heck happend then lol
- [20:40:24] <Jdrew> Gimme back my nick Sneaky :<
- [20:40:27] <StackOverflow> jdrew can not be silenced so easily
- [20:40:29] <danhezee> poor jdrew
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- [20:40:33] <DE> there we go
- [20:40:55] <SallyTheButcher> no aswers to my question huh?
- [20:41:06] <DE> SallyTheButcher which Q?
- [20:41:13] <StackOverflow> [14:40] <+SallyTheButcher> no aswers to my question huh?
- [20:41:15] <danhezee> no answer to their question either
- [20:41:15] <StackOverflow> I know that feel
- [20:41:22] <StackOverflow> [14:36] <+StackOverflow> [14:34] <+StackOverflow> so what do you expect to do about that?
- [20:41:22] <StackOverflow> [14:36] <+StackOverflow> SallyTheButcher ^
- [20:41:32] <StackOverflow> quotes quotes quotes
- [20:41:36] <SallyTheButcher> what was that in relation to Stack
- [20:41:40] <Silnius> SallyTheButcher:
- [20:41:50] <SallyTheButcher> I hav no idea otherwise and can't answer
- [20:42:04] <StackOverflow> [14:32] <+StackOverflow> do you expect to continue using the forums in their current state with all of this clan discussion?
- [20:42:05] <SallyTheButcher> don't make me trawl the chat plox ;-)
- [20:42:22] <EldredChandler> I wont babby
- [20:42:30] <SallyTheButcher> All what clan discussion? For now yeah things are as they are
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- [20:42:55] <danhezee> when you make your big bang are you wiping the forums?
- [20:43:01] <StackOverflow> all of these ideas that you have/that are being discussed, are they applicable to the current forums?
- [20:43:21] <StackOverflow> because it's quite obvious that the current clan structure is not ideal
- [20:43:34] <danhezee> The only reason i can think of the big bang would be to hide negative backlash from wiping the forums
- [20:43:40] <StackOverflow> I'm curious as to how you expect to fix it
- [20:44:07] <uvs> If I think big (still keeping in mind AoSs smaller playerbase) I think more in the terms of a community type website with a forum on the side. There would be clan managing and ability to schedual matches. It is the natural step. The forum setup that we have today I belive is mostly because it was easy implement.
- [20:44:13] <SallyTheButcher> If you are asking me to discuss things to come you know I can't quite yet, but we will talk more about all that pretty soon
- [20:44:38] <DE> SallyTheButcher then tell us if that is a possibility. not if it WILL happen
- [20:44:40] <StackOverflow> been hearing that for months
- [20:44:43] <StackOverflow> [14:34] <+SallyTheButcher> This is my concern to Stack I would love for everyone to spend more time on what they love and enjoy and less on maintenance and admin
- [20:44:53] <StackOverflow> this is relative to the clan section, which is being discussed
- [20:45:11] <danhezee> uvs: not easy to implement but forced to implement because we couldnt get the tools to do anything else
- [20:45:20] <danhezee> no access to the server
- [20:45:28] <SallyTheButcher> uvs: Thanks, all this input is useful to me. So having your own space and tools to manage it would be useful in your opinion
- [20:46:37] <uvs> SallyTheButcher: I would manage the same thing, but with "correct tools". The forum setup is not ideal for these type of things.
- [20:46:49] <StackOverflow> this is what I'm asking
- [20:46:50] <StackOverflow> you claim to acknowledge that the clan system needs adjustments
- [20:47:03] <uvs> To answer you question: Yes, I think that they would be very useful.
- [20:47:04] <StackOverflow> so how would you go about fixing that?
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- [20:47:25] <SallyTheButcher> Anything is a possibility, but as I said you won't have to wait long for more on that (I know we said things are coming, and they are)
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- [20:48:17] <DE> SallyTheButcher are you able to give us any timelime at all?
- [20:48:18] <Silnius> So when "things" will be here according to you ? Like soon, or in 2 months ?
- [20:48:20] <DE> for things to come
- [20:48:33] <SallyTheButcher> personally I think you'd need to start afresh with a system that incorprates the ideals of clan leaders and want to be clan leaders.
- [20:48:51] <StackOverflow> so wiping the forums
- [20:49:04] <SallyTheButcher> Sometimes when you keep to a system and adjust and adjust and adjust it just becomes broken or you out grow it
- [20:49:10] <Silnius> [20:48] <@DE> SallyTheButcher are you able to give us any timelime at all? [20:48] <+Silnius> So when "things" will be here according to you ? Like soon, or in 2 months ? [20:48] <@DE> for things to come
- [20:49:23] <SallyTheButcher> I am referencing the clan system
- [20:49:33] <danhezee> So this new clan system is just a guise to wipe the forums
- [20:49:47] <StackOverflow> take a look at jagex's "timelines" and "deadlines" and you'll get a pretty clear image of how good they are at time management :P
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- [20:49:54] <SallyTheButcher> We will be talking more in the coming weeks, all I can say
- [20:49:59] <uvs> What is this obsession with wiping the forums?
- [20:50:03] <StackOverflow> you said that months ago
- [20:50:11] <SallyTheButcher> Thanks Stack that was nice and constructive
- [20:50:17] <StackOverflow> well it's true
- [20:50:27] <SallyTheButcher> you know I can't give details so why kepp asking
- [20:50:27] <StackOverflow> just going off of some jagex documents :D
- [20:50:35] <danhezee> Sucks that after 5 years of experience you still arent allowed to say anything
- [20:50:38] <Silnius> Why you don't just give a kind of timelime ? We are always waiting for something happens, but nothing happens;
- [20:50:42] <SallyTheButcher> Jagex' documents huh
- [20:50:52] <danhezee> or make any decisions without being micromanaged
- [20:51:06] <DE> SallyTheButcher jagex's 'secrets' are about as well kept as the aos staff's. hint hint
- [20:51:10] <Kodisleep> welp
- [20:51:12] <StackOverflow> [14:48] <+SallyTheButcher> Sometimes when you keep to a system and adjust and adjust and adjust it just becomes broken or you out grow it
- [20:51:13] <Kodisleep> morning
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- [20:51:19] <DE> Kodiak, morning
- [20:51:22] <StackOverflow> or maybe you could spend some time learning how the current system works
- [20:51:28] <StackOverflow> both from a community perspective and a technical one
- [20:51:31] <Kodiak> 5 am \o/
- [20:51:35] <StackOverflow> and work from there ;)
- [20:51:41] <Kodiak> but I picked a good time to wake up, heya Sally
- [20:51:47] <MKU`Off> [12:51:19] <+StackOverflow> both from a community perspective and a technical one
- [20:51:50] <MKU`Off> Not possible.
- [20:51:50] <danhezee> Hi Kodiak
- [20:51:54] <SallyTheButcher> Hello there Kodiak
- [20:52:23] <StackOverflow> MKU`Off, sorry, I'm an idealist
- [20:52:24] <StackOverflow> realist*
- [20:52:35] <uvs> StackOverflow: Do you not think that AoS might be growing out of a forum based clan system?
- [20:52:36] <danhezee> a bothist
- [20:52:45] <DE> danhezee hehe
- [20:52:47] <StackOverflow> I hate the current system
- [20:52:50] <StackOverflow> never liked it
- [20:52:52] <uvs> lol
- [20:53:04] <uvs> I agree, it isn't optimal
- [20:53:09] <StackOverflow> but wiping the forums to attempt to solve that issue isn't necessary
- [20:53:42] <StackOverflow> all this was discussed yesterdayu
- [20:54:15] <uvs> Ofcourse wiping the forums is not a solution, but I don't think anyone has suggested that either.
- [20:54:20] <SallyTheButcher> Erm I didn't say anything about the forums
- [20:54:37] <StackOverflow> [14:47] <+SallyTheButcher> personally I think you'd need to start afresh with a system that incorprates the ideals of clan leaders and want to be clan leaders.
- [20:54:43] <StackOverflow> >start afresh with a system
- [20:54:54] <StackOverflow> >system is currently integrated with the forums
- [20:55:03] <uvs> The issue is finding a new system to manage clans and matches in an easy way.
- [20:55:08] <Kodiak> DE: Did you still have my link, or has that been discussed already
- [20:55:11] <StackOverflow> not to mention you guys have mentioned wiping the forums on several occasions
- [20:55:12] <uvs> And you do not agree StackOverflow ?
- [20:55:13] <Kodiak> also Tin- are you still here
- [20:55:30] <DE> Kodiak http://pastebin.com/sBTuN5GN
- [20:55:34] <uvs> You just said it your self that you hate the current system?
- [20:55:34] <StackOverflow> I agree entirely. but that doesn't mean it can't still be integrated with the forums
- [20:55:39] <Kodiak> cheers
- [20:55:42] <StackOverflow> while still providing necessary tools for clans
- [20:55:46] <StackOverflow> and making moderation easier
- [20:55:56] <uvs> I guess that it can, but it would be so much easier to integrate the forums in a new sytem
- [20:55:59] <uvs> *system
- [20:56:10] <uvs> dont you think?
- [20:56:44] <Kodiak> http://pastebin.com/sBTuN5GN have a ready if you feel so inclined SallyTheButcher
- [20:56:50] <Kodiak> read* rather
- [20:57:17] <Kodiak> oh hang on that's not it
- [20:57:37] <StackOverflow> as much as I want to see clans have everything they need, they aren't the only part of the community
- [20:57:50] <SallyTheButcher> So do you know how many clans have this sort of thing: http://komrades.org/
- [20:57:55] <TheGrandmaster> in terms of scalability, the new proposal + scripts would make it much more scalable
- [20:57:56] <StackOverflow> starting the "system" from scratch in an attempt to possibly fix the clan issue isn't ideal
- [20:58:00] <TheGrandmaster> SallyTheButcher: about 3?
- [20:58:00] <tiki> not many sally
- [20:58:00] <DE> SallyTheButcher most do not require it.
- [20:58:02] <MKU`Off> Facebook is the only community, don't be foolish, Stack.
- [20:58:14] <StackOverflow> TheGrandmaster, new proposal?
- [20:58:17] <StackOverflow> from yesterday or today
- [20:58:19] <SallyTheButcher> DE: why?
- [20:58:43] <DE> SallyTheButcher, well Bastion operates perfectly fine as we are. we have no need for a website. we would gain nothing
- [20:59:00] <SallyTheButcher> is it not preferable to having your whole clan operate on the forums
- [20:59:03] <DE> mostly the websites are for clans that are no longer jsut aos clans
- [20:59:15] <danhezee> RoT has a site
- [20:59:26] <StackOverflow> implying they know who rot is
- [20:59:27] <Silnius> Well i take a website/forum because lot of people on my clan are not english
- [20:59:32] <DE> exactly Bastion all operates on the forums. the kommies/ldr/rot are all inactive to a large extent on aos
- [20:59:35] <tiki> also means non clan members can participate in discussion without having to make accounts on each clans website
- [20:59:37] <danhezee> RoT is the most sincere clan ever
- [20:59:43] <EldredChandler> ^
- [20:59:46] <EldredChandler> They so sweet
- [20:59:49] <Kodiak> Found it, SallyTheButcher DE danhezee StackOverflow http://pastebin.com/W6GwmURr
- [20:59:55] <Kodiak> also TheGrandmaster*
- [21:00:07] <Silnius> tiki : there is irc for talk :P
- [21:00:10] <MKU`Off> [12:59:22] <@DE> exactly Bastion all operates on the forums. the kommies/ldr/rot are all inactive to a large extent on aos
- [21:00:11] <Silnius> But yo'ure right
- [21:00:14] <MKU`Off> the kommies/ldr/rot
- [21:00:15] <DE> oh yeh, forgot to pas that on for you. sorry Kodiak :s
- [21:00:19] <MKU`Off> kommies
- [21:00:20] <TheGrandmaster> sounds like clanbase
- [21:00:25] <DE> MKU`Off, YEH.
- [21:00:26] <Kodiak> no problem
- [21:00:31] <Kodiak> pretty much TheGrandmaster
- [21:00:31] <DE> 80 members, less then 1/5 active
- [21:00:35] <DE> 70*
- [21:00:35] <MKU`Off> Define an "active" clan.
- [21:00:45] <DE> MKU`Off, participate on forums/irc/in game
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- [21:01:00] <StackOverflow> you can't measure participation like that
- [21:01:01] <StackOverflow> it's stupid
- [21:01:20] <StackOverflow> ingame can't be measured
- [21:01:23] <StackOverflow> irc isn't accurate
- [21:01:25] <StackOverflow> neither is forums
- [21:01:41] <DE> I don't see kommies doing much of anytihng in aos
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- [21:01:46] <DE> hence i say they are not very aos active
- [21:02:03] <MKU`Off> Considering that only SPQR and Bastion are the only clans that fully do that.
- [21:02:08] <danhezee> I think clan sponsored events would be a good indicator
- [21:02:18] <MKU`Off> Ok guys, remove all clan section besides SPQR and Bastion.
- [21:02:23] <EldredChandler> lol
- [21:02:23] <SallyTheButcher> Kodiak: ooo nice I will have a good read
- [21:02:50] <DE> MKU`Off actually there are about another 4-5 susbections that will probs be removed due to ianctivity
- [21:03:12] <DE> inactivity*
- [21:03:26] <danhezee> I think komrades are like most of the community stagnant because of jagex and their inability to give anyone any idea of what the future of AoS is.
- [21:03:33] <Silnius> Like StackOverflow said, " you can't measure participation like that"
- [21:03:51] <DE> Silnius StackOverflow, okay. ill redact that statement, after condieration.
- [21:03:59] <MKU`Off> DE just wants clan standards to revolve around his own clan.
- [21:04:03] <StackOverflow> it's not something you decided on
- [21:04:11] <DE> SallyTheButcher, If we could host a decent website, then im sure Bastion would make one. we havnt really looked into it yet
- [21:04:11] <StackOverflow> the fact that it's part of the application process is just stupid
- [21:04:14] <Kodiak> MKU`Off and I have hung around in #Komrade a lot danhezee
- [21:04:23] <EldredChandler> same lately
- [21:04:26] <Kodiak> they're active, just not so AoS oriented anymore
- [21:04:39] <DE> MKU`Off, your not being constructive now, just attakcing me. quit it
- [21:04:40] <SallyTheButcher> So are all clans into the competition of clans or are there currently specialist clans/groups such as modders or creative types
- [21:04:56] <danhezee> Well in the interest of this conversation they arent that active
- [21:04:57] <Kodiak> yes
- [21:04:58] <MKU`Off> Is this not a debate?
- [21:05:07] <MKU`Off> From what I see, it is.
- [21:05:07] <kmaj> there are social clans
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- [21:05:10] <danhezee> Not trying to insult the clan
- [21:05:16] <DE> MKU`Off, this is a jagex related clan disscusion. not a rag on DE disscusion
- [21:05:17] <Kodiak> SallyTheButcher: Media groups, you mean?
- [21:05:23] <SallyTheButcher> kmaj: cheers
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- [21:05:32] <MKU`Off> >dicussion
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- [21:05:39] <MKU`Off> discussion*
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- [21:05:54] <Carnage`> Sup SallyTheButcher
- [21:05:54] <DE> MKU`Off, get back on topic or devoice.
- [21:05:55] <SallyTheButcher> Clans that aren't focused around competition / being the no. 1 clan etc
- [21:06:13] <SallyTheButcher> hey Carnage`
- [21:06:14] <danhezee> That would be every clan right now
- [21:06:22] <StackOverflow> most clans aren't necessarily competitive really. at least not like in a lot of other communitities
- [21:06:27] <StackOverflow> it's usually a group of friends
- [21:06:29] <DE> there are no real competitive based clans atm
- [21:06:35] <TheGrandmaster> there used to be
- [21:06:36] <danhezee> they hang out and play together
- [21:06:42] <SallyTheButcher> But is competition something that most would aspire to if there was enough support and activity
- [21:06:51] <DE> SallyTheButcher yes.
- [21:06:53] <MKU`Off> No.
- [21:07:05] <StackOverflow> it depends on the individual clans
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- [21:07:20] <danhezee> I think not must clans would rather have no record than a chance to have a loosing record
- [21:07:20] <StackOverflow> some want competition. most, like I said, are just groups of friends who play together
- [21:07:24] <DE> if the support was there, i think we would see more competitive based clans
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- [21:07:35] <tiki> yeah its not like theres a friends system in the game >.<
- [21:08:02] * StackOverflow still has a friend system that he never launched because I thought opengl was going to be out forever ago
- [21:08:04] <danhezee> Don't tiki, SallyTheButcher will fix that
- [21:08:13] <SallyTheButcher> OK so most are groups of friends, yet they need a certain level of activity to be recognised
- [21:08:22] <tiki> with a facebook login danhezee thats what we really need
- [21:08:22] <danhezee> Don't worry*
- [21:08:33] <Kodiak> as far as competetion goes all we really have is this http://aos.mp2.dk
- [21:08:35] <StackOverflow> yes. lets just shift everything to facebook
- [21:08:36] <StackOverflow> and instagram
- [21:08:41] <MKU`Off> For reference, I would like to point out wrong statements but in doing so, DE will mute me because that's how this "discussion" works.
- [21:08:51] <Kodiak> it's a wobbly system and it's the individual rather than a clan system
- [21:08:53] <DE> MKU`Off, ignore me. talk to sally.
- [21:08:57] <DE> or jsut leave.
- [21:09:00] <DE> just* :P
- [21:09:05] <SallyTheButcher> Aye Kodiak I have seen the server rankings
- [21:09:16] <StackOverflow> leaderboards are stupid
- [21:09:18] * StackOverflow hates everything
- [21:09:22] <danhezee> I want to press f5 and automatically upload to instagram with a cool filter
- [21:09:22] <Tin-> ^
- [21:09:28] <StackOverflow> it's a huge security threat
- [21:09:29] <Kodiak> but I suppose if a leader feels so inclined to make his/her members use that then it works, but only to a degree
- [21:09:31] <MKU`Off> DE, that would implying that Sally listens to anything anyone actually says.
- [21:09:32] <StackOverflow> social engineering
- [21:09:33] <Kodiak> it's okay we hate you too StackOverflow
- [21:09:34] <StackOverflow> how does it work
- [21:09:39] <Tin-> lol
- [21:10:12] <SallyTheButcher> MKU, believe it or not I do listen
- [21:10:21] <Tin-> Anyways, enjoy this discussion. I am leaving. Cya.
- [21:10:27] *** tiki (tiki@Tiki-.users.quakenet.org) has left #thebastion
- [21:10:29] <DE> Tin- bai
- [21:10:29] <Kodiak> bai
- [21:10:31] <danhezee> bye Tin-
- [21:10:35] <SallyTheButcher> I have been feeding back since I started
- [21:10:39] <SallyTheButcher> cya Tin
- [21:10:57] <Tin-> Sally, I will PM you tomorrow with some ideas tomorrow o/
- [21:11:06] <MKU`Off> [13:10:03] <+SallyTheButcher> MKU, believe it or not I do listen
- [21:11:13] <SallyTheButcher> Cheers Tin- appreciate it
- [21:11:33] <MKU`Off> Care to expound on what important questions stack has been asking?
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- [21:11:54] <StackOverflow> no MKU`Off, I don't want to make you hopeful :(
- [21:12:05] <MKU`Off> Oh yeah..
- [21:12:13] <uvs> I didn't relly think about it like that but I think you have a point there, danhezee (regarding a lot of clans rather having no record than a losing one)
- [21:12:17] <danhezee> Sorry for stack and dan making you hopeful
- [21:12:41] <MKU`Off> SallyTheButcher: Disregard that last thing I said, because having hope is a sin.
- [21:12:47] <StackOverflow> I'm a bit biased, I don't really get into the "competitive" side of aos (implying there is one)
- [21:12:51] <StackOverflow> I just like playing with friends
- [21:12:56] <SallyTheButcher> So maybe we think about a system that works to take that into account uvs ?
- [21:13:13] <SallyTheButcher> or offer a range of ways of ranking
- [21:13:14] <danhezee> somehow we need to have an ice breaker event for clan records, let them no it is no big deal to have a losing record
- [21:13:45] <TheGrandmaster> SallyTheButcher: I believe a variation of our current system, but with more automated elements would work
- [21:13:45] <StackOverflow> even if it's not an "official" record, people will still keep track
- [21:13:52] <SallyTheButcher> Not every clan will be top but can still enjoy an improvement together as a group
- [21:13:59] <danhezee> what range do you have in mind SallyTheButcher
- [21:14:03] <StackOverflow> TheGrandmaster, no. you speak of witchcraft
- [21:14:24] <TheGrandmaster> perhaps current isn't the right word
- [21:14:27] <MKU`Off> As I said in that pointless thread you posted on the forums: if you are going to answer questions in the future, quit pretending that you are going to answer them now.
- [21:14:28] <uvs> I'm all for a competative community, but as it is today, most clans aren't - so that might not be bad thinking, SallyTheButcher
- [21:14:31] <TheGrandmaster> we're debating improvements right now
- [21:14:59] <SallyTheButcher> TheGrandmaster: it's possible I am not saying it's not, but is that the best system that could be offered going forwards
- [21:14:59] <MKU`Off> tGM, DE will mute you if you debate.
- [21:15:21] <Kodiak> Ya I like most of TheGrandmaster's ideas, what I based my own around albeit with minor fiddles
- [21:15:21] <TheGrandmaster> ": it's possible I am not saying it's not, " mind translating? :p
- [21:15:27] <Kodiak> forum system is cool
- [21:15:41] <StackOverflow> going to make some eggs. seems more productive right now
- [21:15:41] <danhezee> I miss Frosty and his agenda
- [21:15:49] <EldredChandler> lol
- [21:15:54] <EldredChandler> We all do
- [21:16:04] <SallyTheButcher> MKU`Off: not sure how I am 'pretending' to answer them? I thought I had been quite clear that I am not in a position to answer many of the questions being asked right now?
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- [21:16:31] *** DE sets mode: +v gen_applejack
- [21:16:33] *** DE sets mode: +v USABxBOOYO
- [21:16:37] <USABxBOOYO> Welp
- [21:16:45] <uvs> MKU`Off: Its not a debate as much as it is a discussion.
- [21:16:46] <USABxBOOYO> I see I still have a greeting
- [21:17:03] <MKU`Off> But it's wrong to have an opinion, uvs.
- [21:17:07] <SallyTheButcher> TheGrandmaster: Well if you do whatever we discussed scripts et or whatever to automate a lot then you could keep on top of it, but would it provide the best overall system? I am not convinced
- [21:17:15] <uvs> correct. wait, what?
- [21:17:21] <uvs> :P
- [21:17:50] <danhezee> how are you not convinced SallyTheButcher
- [21:17:58] <danhezee> elaborate
- [21:18:04] *** PABH_Away is now known as PABH
- [21:18:25] <USABxBOOYO> !logs
- [21:18:26] <DE> USABxBOOYO yeh you havn;t been in so long i didnt bother removing it
- [21:18:28] <MKU`Off> SallyTheButcher: If you read closely, which might be hard, I said "quit pretending that you are GOING to answer them now"
- [21:18:42] <USABxBOOYO> Oh wait, can't see the logs anyway
- [21:19:01] <EldredChandler> lol, there will be full ones up later USABxBOOYO
- [21:19:03] <SallyTheButcher> danhezee: I don't thinkit has mass appeal, I think it's great right now.
- [21:19:10] <DE> USABxBOOYO ill post logs later
- [21:19:15] <uvs> USABxBOOYO : This is a start: http://pastebin.com/sBTuN5GN
- [21:19:31] <danhezee> USABxBOOYO: sally said vague things with no details
- [21:19:36] <SallyTheButcher> MKU`Off: still don't know how I am doing this but hey
- [21:20:03] <USABxBOOYO> danhezee: I'm not even sure why I asked for logs now that I realize who this was a meeting with
- [21:20:21] <PABH> Is this pastebin worth a look, uvs?
- [21:20:27] <MKU`Off> [13:10:03] <+SallyTheButcher> MKU, believe it or not I do listen
- [21:20:28] <MKU`Off> [13:11:23] <+MKU`Off> Care to expound on what important questions stack has been asking?
- [21:20:31] <Kodiak> realise*
- [21:20:32] <Kodiak> gosh
- [21:20:49] <USABxBOOYO> SallyTheButcher: Off-topic but the 0.75 download link on the main page looks no bueno
- [21:20:56] <uvs> it is just a log over the first 30min of this discussion, PABH
- [21:21:11] <uvs> and: not really :P
- [21:21:14] <PABH> Is THIS discussion worth it, then?
- [21:21:15] <PABH> Hm. ok
- [21:21:19] <uvs> :)
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