[23:47] <03Dohentai> let's see....
[23:48] <03Dohentai> Night
00[23:48] <09!Night> hm?
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[23:48] <03Dohentai> would you do a favor for me?
[23:48] <03Dohentai> now
00[23:48] <09!Night> sure, depends..
[23:48] <03Dohentai> just got like a 3 hours thought session on what happened yesterday
[23:48] <SacrificedCynic> XD
[23:48] <03Dohentai> the whole 4ch debacle thing
00[23:48] <09!Night> uh..
[23:48] <03Dohentai> i can't help it
00[23:48] <09!Night> i wasn't there for most of it..
[23:48] <03Dohentai> but to rant a bit on it
00[23:49] <09!Night> oh go ahead and rant
[23:49] <03Dohentai> don't worry, you just need to tell "them" about it
[23:49] <03Dohentai> there were 3 things that boggled my mind about it.
[23:50] <03Dohentai> 1. The conception that somehow i only like good feedback while ignore bad criticism
[23:50] <03Dohentai> this one popped up like with DAnte_, with Kai (``), with Yothen and Anne
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[23:50] <03Dohentai> it is not any help to my case when Anne went off with her rich boy comparison
[23:51] <03Dohentai> that only served to really reinforce that belief
[23:51] <03Dohentai> the thing is
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[23:51] <03Dohentai> as with my novel and my previous art
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[23:51] <03Dohentai> i take good things and bad things and i always elaborate on it
[23:52] <03Dohentai> but it seemed to never catch on to people about that
[23:53] <03Dohentai> i may not be a good novelist/artist, but i sure as hell take everything to heart and reply appropriately based on how i think of it
00[23:53] <09!Night> ^ that you do ^_^
[23:53] <03Dohentai> it leads to my second point
[23:54] <03Dohentai> 2. The misconception that everytime i elaborate/explain/feedback on some bad criticism from my point of view, it automatically = brush off any previous criticisms that others might make.
[23:54] <03Dohentai> This one POPPED UP WITH EVERYONE
[23:54] <03Dohentai> from 4ch to this
[23:55] <03Dohentai> it is always worse when people immidiately start to assuming that
[23:55] <03Dohentai> and then add to the fact that i "never" express any gratitude about any point my critics might make
[23:55] <03Dohentai> while everytime i reply to people
[23:56] <03Dohentai> i USUALLY, if not ALWAYS thank them first
00[23:56] <09!Night> ^ that you do
[23:56] <03Dohentai> for whatever point they might make, no matters if they are wrong or right *based on my perspective*
[23:57] <03Dohentai> it seriously bugged me when Kai went off and say how pigheaded i was, while telling me that i didn't express gratitude from that critic in 4ch
[23:57] <03Dohentai> WHILE FUCKING QUOTE A LINE WHERE THE PHRASE "THANK YOU FOR YOUR INPUTS" WAS THE BEGINNING PHRASE
[23:58] <03Dohentai> worst of all, implying, if not outright saying that it is not enough
[23:58] <03Dohentai> do i have to get down and suck his dick to express my gratitude?
00[23:58] <09!Night> XD
[23:59] <03Dohentai> Even yesterday i was in vain trying to explain that point
[23:59] <03Dohentai> people was bombarding me with the "excuses", "butthurt" or "ignorant" about it
Session Time: Wed May 30 00:00:00 2012
00[00:00] <09!Night> MEh, sometimes people are bone-headed fools even if you have the evidence to prove them wrong, -- this is where i go give up but never letting go of "I'm right" kinda thing
00[00:00] <09!Night> ^_^
[00:00] <03Dohentai> which really add to their arguments, as i could tell from this isle of hellhole i'm about to leave
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[00:00] <03Dohentai> i know, Night. But the feeling i am having right now is just pure rage.
[00:00] <03Dohentai> Also
00[00:01] <09!Night> ohh i get that alot sometimes -- People misundertanding you and all
[00:01] <03Dohentai> i did it using the best language i can. What did they reply? PIC
[00:01] <03Dohentai> as if it is a valid argument
[00:01] <03Dohentai> also
[00:01] <03Dohentai> ALL OF THE PEOPLE
[00:02] <03Dohentai> KAI ANNE DANTE_ YOTHEN
00[00:02] <09!Night> well, they saw a picures a thousand words... depending on the picture of course..
[00:02] <03Dohentai> seems to be under the impression that
00[00:02] <09!Night> say*
[00:02] <03Dohentai> not when it is "austical as fuck"
00[00:02] <09!Night> unless they were just trolling you??
00[00:02] <09!Night> o.O
[00:02] <03Dohentai> does that sound argumentative to you?
[00:02] <03Dohentai> they wanted to make a point about how "butthurt" i am
[00:03] <03Dohentai> so yeah, what's better way to use "picture"
[00:03] <03Dohentai> as if it is ever relevant to the topic at hand
[00:03] <03Dohentai> Now to my third point
[00:03] <03Dohentai> Kai Anne Dante_ Yothen all seemed to be under the impression that
[00:04] <03Dohentai> 3. Everytime a critic respond with criticism, i always have to take them and thank them
[00:04] <03Dohentai> as if i'm only good at taking respond from others
[00:04] <03Dohentai> dude, i am human. And i do have times where i agree or disagree
[00:05] <03Dohentai> that guy might be higher level than me, but that doesn't mean that i have to take ALL of their criticism because i was the one looking for it
[00:06] <03Dohentai> this might sound contradictory to the first point
[00:06] <03Dohentai> and maybe the second point as well
[00:07] <03Dohentai> but isn't the whole concept of feedback is to create dialogue where people could give each other opinions based on what is it at hand?
[00:07] <03Dohentai> also
00[00:07] <09!Night>  where people could give each other opinions based on what is it at hand? <-- That is what it's meant to be isn't it?? o.O
[00:08] <03Dohentai> i might worded it wrong, who knows. I'm raging right now.
00[00:08] <09!Night> meh, go ahead ^_^ rant rant rant
00[00:08] <09!Night> makes you feel better afterwards ^_^
[00:08] <03Dohentai> now
[00:09] <03Dohentai> like i said the last point might sounded contradictory to the second and the first
[00:09] <03Dohentai> but as an artist/novelist, i do have a set of beliefs that different from others
[00:09] <03Dohentai> they might see stuffs that way, i might see stuffs this way
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[00:10] <03Dohentai> and that's where elaboration/explaination/expansion came
00[00:10] <09!Night> oh hey william
[00:10] <03Dohentai> to make people understand my point of view
[00:10] <William> Hey Night!
00[00:10] <09!Night> you might wanna go to staff channel instead ^_^
[00:10] <03Dohentai> so that we can improve on this shit we are talking about
[00:10] <William> Alright :P
[00:10] <William> After I log in :3
00[00:10] <09!Night> kk ^_^
[00:11] <03Dohentai> It doesn't mean that i only take good criticism, or i brush off my flaws and only used to good criticism
[00:11] <03Dohentai> it just means that i want you to understand my point of view better so that we can have more productive results based on our feedbacks to each other
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[00:12] <03Dohentai> but then again, everybody seemed to fixated on the "facts" that i'm a crappy rich boy artist who don't know when he is wrong and always brush off his own flaws
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[00:13] <03Dohentai> now for 4ch i can completely understand why they react like that. THEY ARE 4CH
[00:13] <03Dohentai> BUT with people in here? Fucking jeezus on a cross
00[00:13] <09!Night> XD
[00:13] <03Dohentai> they reacted like i'm mentally imbalance yesterday
[00:14] <03Dohentai> not to mention
[00:14] <03Dohentai> it was only me alone talking with 4 different people
00[00:14] <09!Night> ouch.
00[00:14] <09!Night> Everyone against ya :/
[00:14] <03Dohentai> who might or might not even qualified to talk about the topics at hand....
[00:15] <07SacrificedCynic> O_O
[00:15] <03Dohentai> yeah, like the point of view from a guy who never show his so hyped "drawing skills" and have nothing to say to others' works aside from "well, that's shit"
[00:15] <03Dohentai> Sven
[00:16] <03Dohentai> this might be just a strawman attack, or ad homihem
00[00:16] <09!Night> imo, and in my pov, you're the artist -- You get to decide >.>
[00:17] <03Dohentai> it bugged me when people pulled out the shadowed versions of my works that a random guy from 4ch did, and criticism 4ch have and then run with it
[00:17] <03Dohentai> as if my point of view was not anything but "ignorance"
[00:18] <03Dohentai> i cannot get mad when people understand my point of view and debate successfully on it. But if they don't, and ran off their mouth
[00:18] <03Dohentai> i might have a problem or two at hand
[00:18] <03Dohentai> now
[00:18] <03Dohentai> but i do admit
[00:18] <03Dohentai> the start of it was my faults
[00:19] <03Dohentai> since Dante goaded/implied/pushed me into it
[00:19] <03Dohentai> but i was getting tired of his yapping
[00:19] <03Dohentai> and also
[00:20] <03Dohentai> i wasn't very clear headed when the whole flame war occured
[00:20] <03Dohentai> it is very clear when i told Anne as "the bitch from Canada"
[00:20] <03Dohentai> but i was extremely ticked off because of her rich boy conclusion
[00:21] <03Dohentai> and worse, like i said in the beginning
[00:21] <03Dohentai> people were taking it and then ran with it like there's no tmr
00[00:21] <09!Night> how far?
[00:21] <03Dohentai> far enough to frustrate me into kicking Anne out
00[00:22] <09!Night> ohh i see
[00:22] <03Dohentai> Additionally, Anne didn't seemed to get the point of how i ticked off i was
[00:23] <03Dohentai> she was asking why i am not elaborate further, as i was criticising on how she label me with only a handful of info
[00:23] <03Dohentai> "so that she "could" have a more accurate labelling"
[00:23] <03Dohentai> yeah, as if people can get clear head and actually sit down and DO IT when there were shits flying everywhere
[00:24] <03Dohentai> not to mention how ticked off it is to see people using it like it is every relevant
[00:24] <03Dohentai> before i go
[00:24] <03Dohentai> i want to address another part
[00:25] <03Dohentai> previously about "[06:14] <Dohentai> who might or might not even qualified to talk about the topics at hand...." "[06:15] <SacrificedCynic> O_O"
[00:25] <03Dohentai> i'm just as qualified as they are in arts. Practically nothing.
00[00:26] <09!Night> and before you go --  People just need to sometimes step in other people's shoes to finally see their pov :/
[00:26] <03Dohentai> i wished they can just step into my shoes
[00:26] <07SacrificedCynic> wut
[00:26] <07SacrificedCynic> wait a minute
[00:27] <07SacrificedCynic> that face
[00:27] <07SacrificedCynic> was becuase
[00:27] <07SacrificedCynic> I had no clue wtf was going on
00[00:27] <09!Night> XD
[00:27] <07SacrificedCynic> -_-
[00:27] <03Dohentai> i can see from their point of view clearly...............................
[00:27] <07SacrificedCynic> I was no adressing you Dohentai
[00:27] <03Dohentai> no clue about what might i ask?
[00:28] <03Dohentai> SacrificedCynic
[00:28] <07SacrificedCynic> wtf you were talking about
[00:28] <07SacrificedCynic> XD
[00:28] <07SacrificedCynic> the conversation came out of no where
[00:28] <07SacrificedCynic> and I was reading it
[00:28] <07SacrificedCynic> thinking
00[00:28] <09!Night> lol he was just ranting.
[00:28] <07SacrificedCynic> "wtf is going on"
[00:28] <07SacrificedCynic> XD
[00:28] <03Dohentai> >_>
[00:28] <03Dohentai> anyway
[00:28] <03Dohentai> it is not my whole point of view on this
[00:29] <03Dohentai> since i had like 5 hours of just pure silentness to lament on that
[00:29] <03Dohentai> but i don't think any of these people actually went back and think about it
[00:29] <03Dohentai> since all they did after it is "well, take a rest, take a walk man" as if they are 100% correct.
[00:30] <03Dohentai> Well, i walked on your shoes now. Please, now walk on mine.
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00[00:30] <09!Night> ^_^
[00:30] <03Dohentai> i might not elaborate on how did i walked on their shoes
[00:30] <03Dohentai> but you can be sure as hell that i did that
[00:30] <03Dohentai> and you guys, DIDN'T
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[00:31] <03Dohentai> so yeah Night
[00:31] <03Dohentai> please deliver this
[00:31] <03Dohentai> if they don't "get" it
00[00:31] <09!Night> uh sure.
00[00:31] <09!Night> i'm sure it's logged by them as well
[00:31] <03Dohentai> it is long, so i apologize in advance
[00:31] <03Dohentai> you never know Night, you never know.
00[00:32] <09!Night> well, it's logged over here ^_^
[00:32] <03Dohentai> ok
[00:32] <03Dohentai> yothen, Anne are not here though
[00:32] <03Dohentai> either  way, i'm out
00[00:32] <09!Night> Alrighty
00[00:32] <09!Night> see ya
[00:32] <03Dohentai> see you in 24 hours at Vietnam
00[00:32] <09!Night> ^_^
00[00:32] <09!Night> ohh
00[00:32] <09!Night> see ya then ^_^
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