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The Anti-Intellectualism of Thacker

Jul 18th, 2016
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  1. @Thacker-
  2. lhl, I played golf with two good friends who happen to be black on sunday, they were 1) SHOCKED at the police killings, 2) thankful for the police presence and professionalism, and 3) sad that this situation colors them
  3. lhl, that is, BECAUSE they are black, they can be painted with the BLM brush
  4. Trifrost
  5. Nobody is black.
  6. Though, some people have dark skin.
  7. Or belong to African-American culture.
  8. No 'blacks', however, inhabit Earth.
  9. @Thacker-
  10. lhl, yes, I believe its foolish NOT to explain to a sick patient why they are sick
  11. Trifrost, semantical arguments don't interest me
  12. lhl, ?
  13. Trifrost
  14. Even though there is a broad scientific agreement that essentialist and typological conceptualizations of race are untenable, scientists around the world continue to conceptualize race in widely differing ways, some of which have essentialist implications.[17] While some researchers sometimes use the concept of race to make distinctions among fuzzy sets of traits, others in the scientific community suggest that the idea of race often is used in a naive[12] or simplistic way,[18][page needed] and argue that, among humans, race has no taxonomic significance by pointing out that all living humans belong to the same species, Homo sapiens, and subspecies, Homo sapiens sapiens.[19][20] Other researchers contend that changes in the ways in which genetics is being practiced and promoted, as well as the "confusion of analytical domains in making assertions about race," are undermining the validity of the position that race is a social construct.[21]
  15. @Thacker-
  16. Trifrost, umm, I know the PC redefinition game
  17. Trifrost, not interested
  18. Trifrost
  19. I literally just cited Wikipedia which is citing scientific articles.
  20. Ignoring Thacker-!*@*
  21. Trifrost
  22. I put you on ignore.
  23. Citing of scientific papers is "PC redefinition game" for you.
  24. Which means you're an anti-intellectual.
  25. There are literally five citations in that paragraph.
  26. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/8064317_The_Race_Concept_in_Six_Regions_Variation_without_C...
  27. Here is the first.
  28. Let's look at the abstract.
  29. Race, once the central concept in physical anthropology worldwide, now varies in the degree of support it receives in different regions. We present the currently available information on the status of the concept in the United States, the Spanish language areas, Poland, Europe, Russia, and China. Rejection of race ranges from high to low with the highest rejection occurring among anthropologists in the United States (and Canada). Rejection of race is moderate in Europe, sizeable in Poland and Cuba, and lowest in Russia and China. A discussion on the scientific and contextual reasons influencing these variations is presented. The tension between scientific evidence and social influences varies from region to region. The methods used in the studies reported here included questionnaires and content analysis. Response rates to questionnaires were often around 50 percent (with exception of the Polish studies). We discuss reasons for the low rates. Although a uniform method of data gathering is desirable, it may not suit scientists working in different traditions of theory and research. We conclude that it is once again timely to discuss the race concept in international meetings where all scientific and political changes occurring throughout the world in recent past decades are taken into account.
  30. http://rutgerspress.rutgers.edu/product/Emperors-New-Clothes,960.aspx
  31. Second citation.
  32. In this groundbreaking book, Joseph Graves traces the development of biological thought about human genetic diversity. Greek philosophy, social Darwinism, New World colonialism, the eugenics movement, intelligence testing biases, and racial health fallacies are just a few of the topics he addresses.
  33. Graves argues that racism has persisted in our society because adequate scientific reasoning has not entered into the equation. He champions the scientific method and explains how we may properly ask scientific questions about the nature of population differentiation and how (if at all) we may correlate that diversity to observed human behavior. He also cautions us to think critically about scientific findings that have historically been misused in controversies over racial differences in intelligence heritability, criminal behavior, disease predisposition, and other traits
  34. http://www.nature.com/ng/journal/v36/n11s/full/ng1455.html
  35. Third citation.
  36. From the second: According to Graves, this country cannot truly address its racial problems until people understand the empirical evidence behind this truth that separate human races do not exist. With the biological basis for race removed, racism becomes an ideology, one that can and must be deleted.
  37. Trifrost
  38. Thacker-: there is no shortcut to knowledge, wisdom, intelligence, scientific expertise, or philosophical brilliance.
  39. All of these traits must be earned with continuous effort.
  40. No, your right-wing phrase "political correctness" does not shortcut you past reading about your topics of discourse for 150 hours.
  41. Naturally, I have a citation for "political correctness" being a right-wing term.
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  44. Trifrost
  45. The term had only scattered usage before the early 1990s, usually as an ironic self-description, but entered more mainstream usage in the United States when it was the subject of a series of articles in The New York Times.[9][10][11][12][13][14] The phrase was widely used in the debate about Allan Bloom's 1987 book The Closing of the American Mind,[4][6][15][16] and gained further currency in response to Roger Kimball's Tenured Radicals (1990),[4][6][17][18] and conservative author Dinesh D'Souza's 1991 book Illiberal Education, in which he condemned what he saw as liberal efforts to advance self-victimization, multiculturalism through language, affirmative action, and changes to the content of school and university curricula.[4][5][17][19]
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  47. Trifrost
  48. The previously obscure far-left term became common currency in the lexicon of the conservative social and political challenges against progressive teaching methods and curriculum changes in the secondary schools and universities of the U.S.[5][45] Policies, behavior, and speech codes that the speaker or the writer regarded as being the imposition of a liberal orthodoxy, were described and criticized as "politically correct".[17] In May 1991, at a commencement ceremony for a graduating class of the University of Michigan, then U.S. President George H.W. Bush used the term in his speech: "The notion of political correctness has ignited controversy across the land. And although the movement arises from the laudable desire to sweep away the debris of racism and sexism and hatred, it replaces old prejudice with new ones. It declares certain topics off-limits, certain expression off-limits, even certain gestures off-limits."[46][47][48]
  49. So, I cited scientific papers and you emotionally reacted with your conservative ideology.
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  52. +ReincePriebus
  53. (Side note: What's funnier than white people dancing? White people dancing to the house band at the RNC. Watch live now.)
  54. Trifrost
  55. http://www.virginia.edu/woodson/courses/aas102%20%28spring%2001%29/articles/AAPA_race.pdf
  56. Fourth citation.
  57. AAPA 1996 "Pure races, in the sense of genetically homogeneous populations, do not exist in the human species today, nor is there any evidence that they have ever existed in the past."-p.714
  58. http://genomebiology.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/gb-2008-9-7-404
  59. Fifth citation.
  60. Lee et al. 2008: "We caution against making the naive leap to a genetic explanation for group differences in complex traits, especially for human behavioral traits such as IQ scores"
  61. http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/09505430802062943
  62. Sixth citation.
  63. Current controversies in the field of genetics are provoking a reassessment of claims that race is socially constructed. Drawing upon Bruno Latour's model of how to analyse scientific controversy, this article argues that race is ‘gaining in reality’ in such a way that renders claims about its social construction tenuous and uncertain. Such claims can be seen as failing in two key regards. The first relates to changes in the way genetics is practised and promoted, which are undermining the stability of fundamental assertions that there is ‘no biological basis for race’ or that ‘race does not exist’. The second involves the confusion of analytical domains in making assertions about race. This problem stems from investing genetics research with hopes that it would reveal the ‘truth’ about race. This confidence has led to equating the ‘cultural’ with ‘bias’, while ignoring the cultural dynamics which shape race. Subsequently, I argue for making a domain claim for the primacy of cultural analysis that does not simply dismiss the possible relevance of biology or genetics to racial issues.
  64. Six citations from scientific sources that conflict with your currently held beliefs.
  65. Therefore, you instantly rejected them and made inferences about the motives of those researchers and the person providing the citation.
  66. The very definition of anti-intellectualism.
  67. I have a citation for that, naturally.
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  69. Trifrost
  70. Anti-intellectualism is hostility towards and mistrust of intellect, intellectuals, and intellectual pursuits, usually expressed as the derision of education, philosophy, literature, art, and science, as impractical and contemptible. Alternatively, self-described intellectuals who are alleged to fail to adhere to rigorous standards of scholarship may be described as anti-intellectuals although pseudo-intellectualism is a more commonly, and perhaps more accurately, used description for this phenomenon.
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