**Summary**

**Kirbin, Part 1**

* Establish Tatsumi as physically inferior to his team

* Backs up the mech being small with the size of a crater it creates with a strike

* Uses a feat of Tatsumi being pierced by a blade, which means that the blade has to be comparable in size to Tatsumi, and then shows the blade in comparison to the mech.

* Compares Tatsumi in size to the mech

* Establish Natsu as physically inferior to his team

* Prematurely rebuts the idea that the clouds can be used to scale its height, due to the magical nature

* Compares a character to the size, shows it being small

* Uses it being hollow to worsen the feat, disputes the durability of the material being notable

* Points out an amp above an unquantifiable feat is useless

* Quantifies Starjun's flames and scales Toriko's heat resistance to them

* Scales Starjun to his own flames

* Gives Hulk a massive heat resistance feat via a blast that could 'incinerate cities', and tanking a beam which disintegrated a building an area.

* Creates reasoning for why the scaling to Melodias isn't good, via the mountain's size, it being sliced.

* Creates reasoning for why Ban and Melodias collapsing a dungeon by arm wrestling isn't good, gives quantification to the size of the dungeon as 680 feet, disputes the dragon scaling as being meaningful

* Paints both Tatsumi and Natsu as physically inferior, with Escanor losing to numbers

* Says Starjun can one-shot Tatsumi with a fire attack via previous numbers

* Gives Toriko a mountain busting feat, and then quantifies the amps that the 50 fold has received, and then quantifies it as being primarily a piercing damage attack

* Gives Hulk a mountain busting feat and a city busting feat (I don't know if the vibrations are notable in this feat, so I'll lowball it)

* Argues Hulk's jump speed multiplier, meaning he could nearly instantly reach and strike an opponent

* Argues Natsu has no piercing durability, shows Toriko creating a mile long gouge with a thrown projectile, shows Toriko parting a waterfall.

* Shows Hulk's feat of the mountain weight super android, matching nuclear weapon stated beams with a projectile, and Hulk throwing something fast enough that it can't be reacted to

* Scales Starjun durability to severely above Toriko's mountain striking

* Scales Toriko durability to severely above his base striking

* Scales Hulk to tanking piercing blows with mountain leveling+ force

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**Imade, Part 1**

* Rebuts the argument of using the mech's crater to scale to its size by arguing that the crater is not entirely in view

* Rebuts the argument of the knife piercing Tatsumi with the length of the blade

* Argues against the mech being small due to perspective and artistic reasoning

* Argues that the scene requires Tatsumi to be this size

* [Links seven comparisons of the mech's head](https://imgur.com/a/Lxnqm0y)

* Uses the mech being visible from far enough that it would be above mountain size, using NASA source as proof

* Argues Tatsumi as being able to adapt basically instantly due to adapting to stopped time

* Uses Tatsumi adapting to gas

* Argues Tatsumi's heat resist as being severely above ~44c

* Argues heat auras will affect Tatsumi, and cause him to adapt

* Counters the magic clouds with the idea that the clouds are just being pulled together at their previous height

* Scales War God to being durable but the link is dead so idk

* Gives gildart a mountain busting feat, and then scales Blue Note to be ~=, and then scales Natsu to one shotting Blue Note

* Says that Natsu can destroy the knives in the same manner Starjun did, via a feat of melting an Iron Maiden

* Introduces a character tanking a blast that is ~thousands of meters wide, then scales Spirit Spear Guardian Form to stomping that guy, shows a panel of trading blows with another guy, and then says Escanor is stronger than Estarossa who is greater or equal to Zeldris.

what the fuck does any of this mean

* Shows Escanor tanking his own multiplied attacks

* Shows Natsu's heat aura melting an iron maiden and destroying the Colosseum over time

* Shows Escanor melting the ground, armor, and a rapier

* Establishes Toriko as being put at a disadvantage when fighting in thousands of degrees of heat

* Shows roads beginning to soften at 50c in traffic, and Hulk being 'hurt' by this blast

* Shows Mindless Hulk being charred/burned/whatever by Napalm and provides a range for the temperature of napalm that is inferior to the heat output of his characters

* Shows Natsu making some big ole blasts

* Shows that Tatsumi can make shockwaves

* Shows Escanor making a big ole blast

* flight exists

* Brings up adaptation/Tatsumi becoming better to fight opponents

* Brings up Tatsumi having regeneration that can save him from (near) death

* Demonstrates that Escanor can heal from at least major stab wounds

* Natsu has some electricity attacks, Imade never really implies they can do anything to Hulk, but Toriko and Starjun have no relevant feats here. I'm not sure how often Natsu would use this and Imade never really elaborates, but I'll keep the one-hit kill in mind.

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**Kirbin, Part 2**

* Immediately calls out the scaling/scaling characters to be above themselves

* Shows Zeldris fighting a peak Escanor

* Calls out the explosions having no feats beyond size and failing to destroy an island

* Shows 5 shots of where the mech is visibly not that large and reintroduces the crater argument

* Shows Tatsumi not instantly becoming immune to barbs

* Argues that there are no examples of true immunity as opposed to merely becoming resistant

* Argues against the strength growth via unquantifiability

* Argues against Tatsumi being able to become mountain level in the timeframe before the fight is over

* Shows Starjun's feat as being massively above the heat output of Natsu melting the Iron Maiden

* Rebuts the Gildart feat via the mountain not being that large and not busting all of it

* Disputes the Natsu scaling with a lack of proof to it being physical force by using the charred appearance

* Argues that we have no idea how good the War God feat is but that if anything it is building level/far below mountain level

* Rebuts the Colosseum feat but again I can't read the album so idk

* Disputes Toriko being put at a massive disadvantage due to saying Starjun's flames aren't hot enough and showing him fighting for an extended period of time

* Rebuts the concept of passive aura and shows Starjun actively controlling the flames, main point being that Starjun won't hurt anyone he doesn't want to be hurt

* Rebuts the asphalt antifeat with Hulk being unharmed, with the roads beginning to soften at 50c and not melt, says it's completely unquantifiable due to asphalt not turning into a liquid, disputes that all of the liquid is asphalt since roads aren't 6 feet deep, argues that it is either stone or concrete, argues that Hulk is tanking a blast that turns stone and concrete into liquid and is unharmed by standing in it

* Argues that Mindless Hulk is incapable of growing in strength to invalidate the napalm antifeat, specifically in conjuction with the idea that Hulk will be growing more durable over the course of the fight

* Argues that even with antifeats, Hulk would be able to win due to growing in durability and being able to take Natsu's mid tier feats

* Argues that Tatsumi has nothing to suggest surviving a mountain busting attack

* Links more of the mech being visibly small, in comparison with buildings

* Rebuts the idea of the mech being large due to being visible far away by showing buildings and Tatsumi being visible, buildings being visible compared to its feet, a balcony being more that halfway up its body

* Argues that Toriko can split him in half with one punch or just obliterate him

* Shows Starjun being durable enough to tank Toriko's attacks

* Argues that Starjun will (primarily?) use the burner knife to bypass Natsu's heat absorption with piercing damage

* Argues that Natsu has no piercing feats and a lack of mountain level feats

* Argues that Toriko busted 100 million tons of mountain and has an amplifier of several times

* Argues that Toriko can easily cut him with knives and forks

* Reintroduces Starjun cutting Natsu with burner knife

* Argues Hulk is physically strong enough to just beat down Natsu

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**Imade, Part 2**

##Out of Tier Request

Starjun, to my knowledge, is not out of tier in any meaningful capacity due to how heat works. For one, with Kirbin only representing Starjun as melting the forks and knives, Imade brought up vaporization out of nowhere, Kirbin's calc for Starjun's energy seems to be accurate.

* Argues that his scaling is valid because of how the powers of the characters function, basically

* Argues 1C Estarossa is stronger because of an enemy needing less effort to defeat him than Demon King Zeldris

gay

* Argues that True Power is holding back to Escanor and that it doesn't matter because he is using a weaker version for his feats

* Argues that Escanor doesn't scale to the Spirit Spear that pierced First Demon.

* Argues Escanor being weakened

* Argues that Escanor took the full power of his multiplied attack from the waist up/wasn't pierced

* Argues Escanor scales to all the good stuff basically, shows Melodias turning a city into a crater, argues that he took down Zeldris and Estarossa with effort, and that Escanor tanks Melodias' attacks

* Shows the map with the inner walls having an area of 1400 square km

* Says this size is valid because of other statements of scale in the series

* Argues the capitol building as big, twice the height of the walls, and that it is comparable in size to a mountain

* Argues that the mech is several times bigger than the walls on many occasions, and thus would be bigger than the building.

* Argues the smaller buildings as being non-visible and the others as just being big

* Argues that the mech is consistently large when Tatsumi isn't there

* Argues that Tatsumi is quite durable since he took the weight of a mountains sized metal object, argues that Tatsumi is not up to par but has lifting

* Shows more arguments of instant adaptation, including a new sonics feat

I'm not accepting the poison feat as an immunity feat because it literally says resistant, not immune

* Argues that he will become immune to heat due to Escanor's heat

* Argues that Starjun's burning sword being hotter is irrelevant

* Argues Natsu's feat as above 2800f by a reasonable amount

* Argues that the Iron Maiden feat is better because there are only 161 forks and knives, argues that Natsu melted it quickly enough that he was not injured by the spikes

* Argues that since they were camping in the mountains, Gildarts reasonably destroyed a mountain, and that it was destroyed since we only see rubble afterwards

* Argues that the Blue Note feat cannot be heat resistance, that Natsu's flame temperature does not increase, and therefore the thing wounding him would have to be the force

* Argues that War God is durable due to tanking a punch that caused craters and that Natsu with this feat and a 3x multiplier would be casually in tier

* Argues that Toriko's statement for heat isn't valid/isn't literal

* Argues that Hulk's feat can only be above 50c since we don't know what else is there

* Says that the napalm is still an antifeat

* Says with the napalm feat Natsu would severely burn hulk

* Argues that Natsu can use starjun's flames to constantly restore his stamina

* Shows Natsu gaining the abilities from fire he eats and gaining strength

* Argues that the flames that Escanor produces will also refuel Natsu

* Implies/argues Natsu will be stronger than Escanor and Starjun combined

* Calcs Mt. Elbert to 400 billion+ tons, 4000 times Toriko's primary feat

* Argues that Tatsumi will adapt due to a large disparity in striking strength, and implies an eventual adaptation to Stage 4

***

**Kirbin, Part 3**

* Argues that since the art is our only source for the size of the mech, and the art is inconsistent, it's not usable

* Argues that over a dozen scans contradict the size of the mech

* Argues that Tatsumi's durability feat is obviously not impressive due to a lack of material being busted, wiping out buildings and not being that large in area of effect, and that it's bad since it one shot him and put him on the brink of death

* Argues the poison adaptation not being valid due to previous resistance, argues the sound scan has no implication of adaptation, shows Tatsumi only breaking out of time stop for a moment and then being frozen again

* Argues that evolution doesn't matter because he dies in one hit

* Argues that the punch is far far below city busting just due to the destruction, with even just city busting being under tier, argues that Toriko and Starjun could both kill him with a piercing blow and that Hulk would defeat him in one punch

* Argues that even in stage 3 that only pushing the mech back is not mountain busting and that he does not receive additional durability

* Argues that Stage 3 and 4 can't happen because if Tatsumi takes fatal damage at any point in this fight, he will be killed

* Argues that the scaling is inherently fallacious due to the characters being the same character but with an amp receive

* Argues that Escanor scales to Melodias in zero meaningful capacity

* Argues that Melodias losing control over his powers vs having control over them

* Argues that Escanor is being shown as comparable to someone who cannot destroy a small island

* Rebuts the heat argument with the attack charring and smoking him

* Argues that the rubble is just from the impact of the attack and that the mountain when on frame is not visibly destroyed

* Argues that War God feat is entirely unusable due to a lack of information

* Argues that Natsu cannot eat Escanor flames due to the fact that they do not exist

* Reintroduces Starjun not having a passive aura, and controlling his flames, so he could just stop feeding Natsu

* Argues that Natsu becoming stronger is completely unquantifiable

* Argues that Natsu basically never uses lightning so it doesn't matter

* Starjun doesn't have an aura

* Rebuts range with a lack of any offensive capacity for range

* Shows that he made a typo and introduces Toriko's mountain feat as being 100 billion tons and then calcs toriko to 582 billion tons busting

* Shows that the asphalt in the article did not actually melt at any point, roads aren't solid 6 feet down so it's not all asphalt, it can't just be asphalt, and that since we don't know what the material is we cannot claim how hot it is in a meaningful way

* Brings up the 3 feats for Hulk's heat resistance earlier, in comparison to the Napalm antifeat for a version that he argues as not growing in his heat resistance and the asphalt argument

* Argues that losing energy does not matter because he can kill Natsu in a single blow

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**Imade, Part 3**

* Argues that Tatsumi's and the Mech's size are constantly variable when they are portrayed together

* Argues the buildings as being constantly bigger in the inner wall

* Argues mech > walls > capital building > mountain size

* Argues the mech has 3 times the material of a mountain

* Argues that his piercing durability isn't subpar because the blade is long

* Argues that the poison antifeat happens second and is not valid due to not having Incursio on

* Argues that the sonic feat is an adaptation feat because the beam causes paraylsis by shattering organs

* Argues that at bare minimum Tatsumi became massively resistant to a timestop

* Argues Tatsumi to be at least desert level heat

* Says that he is already using stage 3 and that stage 4 is not the result of injuries

* Says that 1C is stated to be stronger and disputes power levels

* Argues that Escanor does scale to the feat and that him taking such damage isn't an antifeat due to the severity of the attack

* Argues that the only thing stated to become stronger is physical force and that the heat of the flames can't be different because the feats are the same

* Argues that the Gildart feat is valid because of anime and that the scan we see of rubble is empty in the background

* Argues that Starjun is vaporizing the forks, and Natsu will gain this temperature, so the temperature of his flames will be vastly increased

* Argues that Natsu uses a large variety of attacks

* Argues that, at least, Natsu will eventually use electricity

* Argues that since Toriko cannot stop the waterfall of 100(s) million tons, the mountain feat is an outlier

* Argues since that Sunny's hair only can take so much force, Toriko's punch is required to be below this

* Disproves the iron ore mountain feat via it being small