Valinise - Yesterday at 23:43
why did you tell Sophie I'm racist and she should break up with me
if you've got a problem with me then come to me not her
24 April 2018
Pidgey - Today at 00:11
Well I’m here now but I don’t think I said the breaking up part, and if I did it’s probably be because you’re older but that hasn’t been bothering her so far so ok ig. As for the racist part I mean it’s just how aggressively you reacted to hareem making a white dude joke when you’ve made several Asian jokes despite you not… being Asian? At all. And I feel you should have listened to her input instead of dismissing it because she’s a person of colour and she’s experienced a lot of discrimination. If youre curious I could probably list some. Also, I don’t think you’ve elaborated on how you experienced discrimination and hareem found it hard to believe as a result. I’m sorry if you’ve really experienced something bad in your life because of you being Scottish or whatever else you could be. I don’t think you were justified in calling hareem ignorant, though. But maybe things work differently in the uk??? I wouldn’t know
Valinise - Today at 00:11
there's a difference between a Joke and someone saying "all white men are let downs"
you already know Hareem doesn't like white people that much because ancestors and stupid pathetic reasons
and there's a difference between someone I know who's my friend making a white person joke and someone I don't know who I've grown to dislike making a white person joke
I told her already how the "discrimination" happened to me
in dms
Pidgey - Today at 00:13
Yeah I agree that you shouldn’t be held accountable for something your ancestors did
Uh
Hang on I’ll ask her?
I mean I don’t see dms so
Valinise - Today at 00:15
if you read back on what she said it was just rude,
so I mean
I don't get why you think I'm racist
you think if I was racist I'd be friends AND be in a relationship with someone of the "race" I supposedly dislike
Pidgey - Today at 00:21
Okay I guess “prejudiced” would be a better way to describe it but now that you said it had to do with the fact that you grew to dislike hareem, I mean uhh
Yeah I get that her whole “white dude” thing was a tasteless joke but you’ve also made Asian jokes?? That’s pretty much what it boils down to
Valinise - Today at 00:24
I have not got a problem with someone's race at all, everyone's human, Hareems the one who dislikes an entire race. I don't get why she thinks that's okay because it really isn't but I don't care anymore. I'm not in that groupchat and I don't have to socialise with her anymore
that wasn't a joke
I don't get why you think that's a joke
Pidgey - Today at 00:24
Wait which one are you referring to
Valinise - Today at 00:24
I'm not in the groupchat anymore
so I can't screenshot or backtrack
when she said that all white men where let downs
But yeah in future
if you have a problem with me
come to me not Sophie
I don't care if you don't like me, neither do I care if Hareem doesn't like me. That's up to you. Everyone's entitled to an opinion. It feels like you're looking at everything from her point of view atm anyway, if the shoe was on the other foot and I said something along the lines of "All Asian women are a disappointment" or whatever she said you'd see where I'm coming from
in no way was that a joke, she was upset about her friend who got dumped by a white guy
so I'd much prefer if you'd not call me racist because I'm clearly not? Have I said anything racist at all?
Pidgey - Today at 00:29
I’m fine with you for the most part and I still think you have prejudices, not racist beliefs e.g. this screenshot:

Or! Hang on
Valinise - Today at 00:30
I don't think you realise I was calling Sophie pretty.
:smiley:
Pidgey - Today at 00:30
This one befor eit

Yeah
Valinise - Today at 00:31
you saying she didn't look like a tourist?
how was that racist?
you're being an idiot now lmao
It's not like I said
something negative about asians did I
Pidgey - Today at 00:32
What no it’s just that you’re saying things about how every Asian tourist looks like that and I said prejudiced
Valinise - Today at 00:33
"preconceived opinion that is not based on reason or actual experience"
look at the picture following it
Reason: She's asian
she's wearing a typical tourist hat
honestly you're digging for nothing
I'm not racist and Hareem clearly doesn't like White people
Pidgey - Today at 00:36
I guess? Look my grandmother wears a hat like that but i don’t, my mother doesn’t, and I could also say that old fisherman on the east coast is wearing a hat like that
Okay fine I’ll go ask her or something
Valinise - Today at 00:37
You're literally digging for nothing
what do you hope to achieve in trying to make me seem prejudice when I'm not
because the shop at the airport sells them hats as does every other tourist shop in london
and it's not like I attacked all asians did I
once again
did I say anything negative?
because Hareem defiantly did
Pidgey - Today at 00:45
Yeah she did but i am an “Asian” and I know Sophie and Maggie don’t care about issues with racism which I don’t approve of but they can go do their own thing. And I don’t hate “white” people but the thing is (and I haven’t messaged hareem about what you explained to her) I think stereotypes about “asians” are still way too often used and you using “Asian” to describe way too many things is wrong and doesn’t help the stereotypes that people have about “asians” which I feel are a diverse group of people that shouldn’t be grouped together. I know that using “asians” is quicker and flows off the tongue quickly and I guess some people find it funny or something which I feel is too often overlooked because if you said something like “lol every black guy plays basketball” that would be considered offensive and like you said grouping every “white dude” as disappointing is taken offensively while East Asians are expected to be passive about everything and when i or hareem try to talk to you about it you take it as “lol it’s not offensive” or something
Valinise - Today at 00:46
was it racist
once again
are you calling me racist
Pidgey - Today at 00:46
No
Valinise - Today at 00:46
so why are you saying it's an issue with racism
I didn't say you hated white people I said Hareem does
and do you think all white people are the same?
lmao
Pidgey - Today at 00:47
I said you’re prejudiced and not everything is about you I’m saying it’s stereotyping and that’s as offensive as calling all white guys disaappointing
No?
I never said that?
Valinise - Today at 00:47
so what makes asians any different from white people then Eileen
"which I feel are a diverse group of people that shouldn’t be grouped together."
Pidgey - Today at 00:48
What? I said that about asians
Valinise - Today at 00:48
yes
Pidgey - Today at 00:48
I never said white guys?
Valinise - Today at 00:48
and I'm saying about white people
do you think it's okay for Hareem to use "White people" to describe me but it's not okay for me to say asians to describe you?
you've not at one point defended me here at all
Pidgey - Today at 00:50
I don’t group “white people” together? When have I done that? For gods sake I hated when people on tumblr said dumb shit like “white people have no culture” because it makes no sense but what I’m saying is about what you refer to as “asians”
Valinise - Today at 00:50
Once again
You've not defended me or took my side at any point in this
Pidgey - Today at 00:51
wait what
when did i
fine hang on
Valinise - Today at 00:51
You've literally only came @ me in this entire convo
Pidgey - Today at 00:52

i have defended you?
i mean its not about hareem calling you a "white dude" its about you stereotyping and i m not defending
Valinise - Today at 00:52
you wanted me to explain myself to a racist, argumentative bitch who clearly doesn't like white people
that's not defending me
at all
Pidgey - Today at 00:52
people groupign "white people" together
what no im talking about stereotypign of asians which, by the way, i am one
Valinise - Today at 00:53
Are you offended by me calling all asians pretty
Pidgey - Today at 00:53
i never said i disliked "white people"
what?
Valinise - Today at 00:53

Pidgey - Today at 00:53
no you complimented sophie
Valinise - Today at 00:54
I complimented sophie mainly
but I called all asians pretty
if you're gonna come @ me for the gay thing
Pidgey - Today at 00:55
yes calling people pretty is a compliment but you also called "asians" "almost gay" in how pretty the look and that... kind of reaches into stereotyping gay people too which to be honest i dont want to talk about today because we dont seem to be done on the whole "asians" thing
yes
Valinise - Today at 00:55
I call everything gay in a positive way
ask sophie
I call myself gay
lmao
you just clearly don't know me
and the picture of sophie in the hat
Pidgey - Today at 00:56
well alright fine you can do that, im not a member of the lgbtq+ commjunity so im not going to talk about that
Valinise - Today at 00:56
that's literally an Asian person in a typical tourist hat
you're just trying to throw me in a hole for no reason
Pidgey - Today at 01:02
i said stereotyping "asian" people as one group is offensive to me, an "asian" , because you could say things about any other group of people e.g. "black people all eat watermelons" and it would be offensive. I also said that these stereotypes against asians are taken too lightly and i feel you shouldn't say things like that, and of course im trying to thrown you into a hole if im understanding this "metaphor" correctly because you probably would _only understand what im talking about once youre in a goddamned hole and looking up at me, an "asian", if that helps you listen to what i, an "asian", has to say about stereotypes that "asians" experience
Valinise - Today at 01:02
the stereotype in that was the tourist part
cause of the hat
you're simply being offended because I called an asian asian
sorry do you want me to write out exactly what part of Asia she's from
my b my b
Pidgey - Today at 01:06
yeah actually thatd be a start because way too many people think of "asia" as just east asia and acknowledging that what youre referring to is a specific region is progressive and, for lack of a better example, hareem who is from south asia has a distinct culture, population, etc etc
populus*
Valinise - Today at 01:06
for a start
my grandmother is from Palestine
aka middle east
aka asia
so I mean
I don't get what your issue is
you call me british
not scottish right?
Pidgey - Today at 01:07
i called you scottish at the start of this conversation
well
Valinise - Today at 01:07
when you've spoken about me to someone
have you or have you not referred to me as British
Pidgey - Today at 01:08
scottish "and whatever else"
Valinise - Today at 01:08
because I remember you calling me british in VC
that's a group of 4 different countries all consisting of different culture
Pidgey - Today at 01:08
yes? because you are from britain but britain is a single country and "asia" is an entire continent
Valinise - Today at 01:09
it's not a country
look it up
Pidgey - Today at 01:09
okay fine its less than a country its the island
Valinise - Today at 01:09
England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland are countries
it's a region
Pidgey - Today at 01:09
sorry, the island that isnt ireland
Valinise - Today at 01:09
so you're being hypocritical here
Pidgey - Today at 01:12
but i could also say you cant call me chinese because im from fujian and more specifically the city of fuzhou jesus christ chinas a god damn country i rarely call my "european" friends "european" because i know that a lot of countries in europe have had past conflict and, for instance, after i called a friend of mine spanish once and she got offended i stopped because she was, in actuality, portuguese and the iberian peninsula has had past conflicts that caused there to be bad blood between countries so if you want ill refer to you as scottish from now on
and do you want me to list off the city too because my scottish friend from glasgow said that she hated that one city with the big pinwheel thing because everyone there was posh
Valinise - Today at 01:15
never called you Chinese
Pidgey - Today at 01:16
no, you called me and "the rest of us" asian
Valinise - Today at 01:16
what?
Pidgey - Today at 01:17

shit like this
Valinise - Today at 01:17
It's an asian tree
does it specifically grow in one part of asia
on the tag it says it's Asian
Pidgey - Today at 01:19
i mean i could go into detail about how it could be cultivated anywhere but let me narrow it down to "when i say asian im talking about one small part of asia and not the entire part"
because that is what people think when they say asian
Valinise - Today at 01:19
do you want me to list every single part of Asia the tree is from
when I refer to my tree
Pidgey - Today at 01:23
no oh my god i started the argument about hwo i didnt think stereotypes against asians should be taken lightly because stereotypes against other races e.g. if i said "all people from x (if x =/= asia) region are rapists/brutes/basketball players" would be taken offensively and god forbid im not passive like the stereotypes against asians dictate as i should be"
Valinise - Today at 01:23
you're throwing non-relevant shit at me
Pidgey - Today at 01:23
so are you
Valinise - Today at 01:24
no I'm not
I'm throw the shit back in your face
I don't care if you call me british
Britain isn't a country, it's a sovereign state.
for example
North America and South America make "Americas"
Pidgey - Today at 01:25
no im raising a valid concern about when people call my "race" stereotypes with very negative connotations e.g. dog eaters and youre nitpicking and trying to make it sound like i am raising a concern against your "nationality"
Valinise - Today at 01:25
where is the negative connotations
what I typed into your groupchat
Pidgey - Today at 01:29
because there are always negative connotations and i know this from experience and dont you dare say for a second that i stereotype "white people" because i am fucking fascinated by even the fucking differences in regions and cities in germany alone and guess who populates the majority of that country save for some recent refugees from syria who fled there by train to escape civil war, thats right, "white people"
sorry that makes no sense the point is
Valinise - Today at 01:30
I never said that
lmao
I'm saying Hareem did that shit
and you said something along the lines of me being mad about it even tho I said asian stuff
Pidgey - Today at 01:31
yeah and im no longer concerned with whatever hareem said and now that im expressing my own opinion you dont even listen
Valinise - Today at 01:31
I do listen
but I'm saying I've not at any point said anything negative
Pidgey - Today at 01:31
i have to eat dinner ill message you later
Valinise - Today at 01:32
nah don't bother
I don't care
I won't call someone asian anymore
w/e