<capitalthree> well if we assumed things were fine just because most people can't tell the difference, we'd be living in a world of 128 bit mp3 audio.  oh wait...
<capitalthree> *128 kbit
<MajGenRelativity> What?
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<capitalthree> what?  just that, everyone who knows mumble has better audio quality than discord, isn't going to change their mind because you "haven't had problems with the quality"
<MajGenRelativity> I don't think that a voice chat needs the ultimate in audio quality
<capitalthree> ok so we should use something worse on purpose?
<MajGenRelativity> If you spend $5,000 on a studio-grade audio set up to talk to people over the Internet, there is a little bit of a problem
<MajGenRelativity> I'm not saying that, but Discord does things Mumble doesn't
<capitalthree> you don't need studio grade equipment to tell the difference
<capitalthree> like go down for maintenance?
<MajGenRelativity> Every service centrally run has to go down for maintenance eventually
<MajGenRelativity> That's not even a valid point
<capitalthree> yeah it is a valid point, because mumble isn't a centrally owned service
<MajGenRelativity> I've rarely had trouble with Discord going down for maintenance, usually every few months
<modmuss50> Mumble also has positional audio, that is linked to the game. We will be using that for BTM
<MajGenRelativity> That is a valid point
<capitalthree> this is a *CONVENTION*, do you think people are going to risk a third party service going down for the main communications?
<MajGenRelativity> The BTM server has gone down multiple times
<capitalthree> oh you're right, I guess in that case we should optimize for more outages of more services
<MajGenRelativity> No, but the chance is sufficiently low that it doesn't need to be considered
<MajGenRelativity> You could get hit by an asteroid right now
<MajGenRelativity> Why aren't you in a bunker?
<capitalthree> no, it's not that low, I've seen plenty of discord outages o_o
<capitalthree> the earth isn't hit by an asteroid every month
<capitalthree> look I get it dude, you're emotionally attached to some company's product.  modmuss50 made a good point too and that point isn't in a vacuum
<capitalthree> there's a *reason* we can get positional audio in mumble, it's because it's an open source community project
<capitalthree> discord is just some company's centralized platform they want you to use because they make money off it
<MajGenRelativity> I'm not arguing against using Mumble in BTM
<capitalthree> can you really not see the difference?  this is a *developer* convention
<capitalthree> it makes no sense to prefer proprietary anything
<MajGenRelativity> modmuss50 makes a critical point, and it makes sense to use Mumble for this
<MajGenRelativity> Closed or open source is irrelevant, and I refuse to argue that with you
<capitalthree> yeah and again, that point is not in a vacuum
<capitalthree> you're a clown if you think closed vs open source has nothing to do with why mumble has positional audio plugins for every game ever and discord doesn't
<MajGenRelativity> I didn't say that
<capitalthree> you said closed or open source is irrelevant.  it's not irrelevant, it's exactly why mumble has integration features we need
<mezz> stop being a dick nobody cares and they're using mumble anyway
<MajGenRelativity> I was making a different point, and I'm not going to argue this with you
<MajGenRelativity> Also, thank you mezz
<capitalthree> yes different point I'm sure
<MajGenRelativity> K
<MajGenRelativity> You can PM me about this if you want, but I can't promise a serious conversation :)