Klyde doesn't know how video games work

<mastersource1> hello abahbob, hope you had a great day!
<abahbob> hello!
<mastersource1> what are you working on tonight?
» barrier skip?
<abahbob> getting some saves so i can do favors for someone
» not today
<mastersource1> do you really think barrier skip is possible?
<abahbob> ask klyde
» hes more qualified
<mastersource1> klyde you here tonight?
<azuriice> says hes in on the viewer list
<mastersource1> yeah i see that but i guess he is not here
<azuriice> afk
<abahbob> i believe in barrier skip
» fml
<mugg1991> 6_9
<azuriice> LOL
<klydestorm> Huh?
<mugg1991> barrier skip seems unlikely
<mastersource1> it sounds like you would have to fine where the wall connects to do it
<klydestorm> The barrier is a cylinder.
» And no, I don't think it's happening without a new trick.
<abahbob> keyword, "without"
<klydestorm> Our current knowledge isn't enough.
<mastersource1> but in the game the game has a start point and a end point when it makes the wall
<klydestorm> I'm not understanding what you're trying to say.
<abahbob> there is no start or endd
<mastersource1> the wall cant be infinite
<abahbob> its a cylinder
<pheenoh> All hail the great barrier, he shall never fall
<mastersource1> or the game would keep drawing the wall in a circle
<abahbob> you think of it as being drawn
» its an object
<mastersource1> in a memory sence
<mugg1991> http://i.imgur.com/AzFfM.png
<abahbob> aha the infamous picture
» nvm
» not the infamous one
» but still an epic one
<mastersource1> see what i am saying
<klydestorm> No, I don't.
» You're not making sense.
<abahbob> explain this skip for me
<mugg1991> you'd better bomb boost over there
<klydestorm> Do the jumpslash as late as you can.
<abahbob> thanks
<mugg1991> fyi, TAS is just gonna leaf over it
<mastersource1> when the cylinder is built in the mechanics of the game there has to be a start point where the pixels begin and where they wrap around and end
<abahbob> mugg, you gonna want this save and just use codes for leaf and bombs
<mugg1991> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqHNJD4tYHM watch this mastersource
<mastersource1> if it were to keep wrapping it would use a lot of memory to calculate it
<klydestorm> mastersource, I think you have no idea what you're talking about.
<abahbob> it doesnt keep wrapping
» a circle doesnt keep getting drawn
» but it has no start or end
» oh god this looks naty
» nast
» nasty*
<klydestorm> Yeah Dolphin doesn't do EFB well
<mugg1991> wtf
» EFB? What's causing this red blinking
<pheenoh> DRC looks horrible, wow
<klydestorm> Red blinking?
» If you turn the EFB off, all the heat effects will be black boxes instead.
<mugg1991> I thought those wooden parts earlier blinked red
<mastersource1> true a circle has no start or end but in a game engine there is different physics
<klydestorm> That's just lighting effects from the lava
<mugg1991> You can't tell me it's normal
<mastersource1> what i am trying to say, somewhere in the circle there is a weak point and that is what has to be found
<klydestorm> That's probably from using the OpenGL video.
» Mastersource, there isn't, stop.
<abahbob> im using 3d 9
<klydestorm> The circle is capped and it doesn't work the way you think it does.
» Oh, then I don't know why, abahbob. I don't have those problems.
<mastersource1> what am i not allowed to explane myself?
<abahbob> its some settings
<mastersource1> explain*
<abahbob> mastersource, klyde spent his life on tww
<mugg1991> Mastersource, you're more than welcome to share your thoughts. But the circle doesn't have a weak point
<klydestorm> abahbob, why do people always say that junk?
<abahbob> hmmm?
<klydestorm> I haven't "spent my life on it", that makes me sound like a chump.
<abahbob> ah
» its a compliment from me
<pheenoh> Klyde knows alot of wind waker
<mastersource1> how much newton physics have you had klyd?
<klydestorm> I have common sense and logical thinking, that's enough for me.
<abahbob> klyde, remember you are a mod
<klydestorm> I'm very aware of that, doesn't mean I'm gonna ban him.
<abahbob> i never said ban
<mastersource1> why should i be banned?
<mugg1991> do not time out the people that want to share their ideas
<klydestorm> Most people just ban someone when they think they're being annoying.
<mastersource1> i am just trying to discuss something here
» if you do not want to discuss things in here then just say so and i will stop and watch
<klydestorm> The thing is, there's nothing to discuss. The barrier doesn't have a weak point where the circle "connects".
<mugg1991> the circle is like a series of walls that connect with each other
<abahbob> hmm i'll get bk
» cuz i suck at bk skip on keyboard
<mastersource1> may I continue then?
<abahbob> sure why not
<gameroftheyear2013> uhh
<mastersource1> you can never have a perfect circle in a world with external insults
» meaning
» the only way for that circle to be perfect is the dev would have the place it first before anything else
<mugg1991> doesn't make sense to me
<azuriice> ^
<abahbob> anyways, it seems that the devs put it first by that logic
<mastersource1> that circle would have to have zero interaction with anything else in the game
» i think the way to find it is to look at it in another direction
<rocmox> you should then look in that direction and find it for us
» thanks
<abahbob> so you're saying we should go from a different side?
<mugg1991> if it wasn't already clear, the barrier is like this: http://i.imgur.com/OLbY0.png
<mastersource1> not a different side
<mugg1991> A series of walls that connect each other
<klydestorm> Much tinier walls, mind you.
<mugg1991> I drew this in less than 10 sec
<klydestorm> I know.,
<mastersource1> remember that wall must interact with it's environment
» that youtube video proves it
<klydestorm> What video would that be?
<mugg1991> Objects such as Link and enemies have collision points and when those go beyond a wall, they're readjusted before the next frame is rendered. (This is only educated guessing)
<mastersource1> the key is to find that weakness where it interacts with it's enviroment
<abahbob> such as ledgeclipping
» but there are no grabble ledges
<mastersource1> look at any glitch that is ever done, you find a weakness with the enviroment not the object.
» every object has a assigned correct?
» assigned value*
» are we atleast on the same page that objects have assigned values?
<abahbob> i assume it has a value of whether or not it exists, but it could be an external variable somewhere else
<mastersource1> intrinsic/ extrinsic values
<klydestorm> Also, the barrier itself is an actor
» Or, the damage portion is I think.
» That's why the boomerang can target it.
» The wall itself doesn't even have a graphic.
<mastersource1> but there has to be something that tells it that
<klydestorm> It's just the way it's programmed.
<abahbob> bleh game why you no load
<mastersource1> yes and when it was programmed it was assigned a #
» once that number can be found or i.e. something that is close to that number the weakness will be found in the circle
<klydestorm> The only weakness it has is when it doesn't exist anymore when it's destroyed.
<abahbob> brb
<mastersource1> but there has to be a number that tells it to be destroyed
<klydestorm> When certain flags are set.
<mastersource1> so what is stopping someone from manually doing it
<klydestorm> Triforce, MS3 and the scene showing the electric barrier scene after you kill the Darknuts in the Master Sword chamber being shown.
» Those three things are the flags.
<mastersource1> look at oot
<klydestorm> This is not OoT.
» Do not compare it to OoT.
<azuriice> ^
<mastersource1> but i am using it as an example
<klydestorm> Your example doesn't work, as this is not OoT.
<azuriice> exactly, its a different game
<klydestorm> In case you didn't realize, OoT was beaten in 21 minutes.
<azuriice> it means nothing
<mastersource1> i don't think you understand how games work
<klydestorm> Quite the irony there.
<abahbob> here
» back
<azuriice> hai
<mastersource1> a game is all about the numbers
<klydestorm> Anyways, I'm fairly sure you're just a troll now, so I'm gonna stop feeding you.
<mastersource1> numbers tell the game what to do next
» i am not a troll and don't you dare call me one for trying to talk about something
<azuriice> LOL
<abahbob> master, do you know who has the oot wr?
<mastersource1> that is what i get for trying to talk to a high schooler
<azuriice> inb4 he looks it up
<abahbob> master, do you know how RBA works?
<mastersource1> yes
<abahbob> k just wondering
<klydestorm> lol
<mastersource1> kinda in a very small way the same thing i am trying to explain
<azuriice> the wall is a bottle
<abahbob> lol okay
<azuriice> thats the answer guys
<abahbob> ^
<azuriice> damn im so smart
<klydestorm> You must know a lot about newton's laws.
» You're so good, azuriice.