The Worldview and Epistemology of doggyZoe

+doggyZoe
racist/bigoted/sexist/more desperate lib propaganda ad nauseam
@Janedoe
not that one
+doggyZoe
luckily its not working
+guessed
pepe some places are not for everyone
+doggyZoe
its backfiring even
+guessed
i dont care if people are racist
JegaPRIME
How would you people rate Hillary Clinton's "deplorable" claim?
+guessed
i dont care if they are racist agains men, whites whatever
JegaPRIME
doggyZoe
+guessed
 it sould all be allowed
JegaPRIME
Using something like Politifact's schema.
+doggyZoe
pathetic and done out of sheer desperation JegaPRIME
+guessed
just discourage fraud and crime. and let people have their beliefs , and let them like who they like
+doggyZoe
her campaign is falling apart at a rate of knots
JegaPRIME
doggyZoe: those are claims about its normative value and the intentionality of the speaker.
I am interested in your assessment of its truth.
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JegaPRIME
It's a PC response to get offended.
For example, I currently rate the statement as follows:
+doggyZoe
I think its untrue because most trump votes Ive spoken to given a damn about the country first, and pandering to safe spaces second
and I am with them
JegaPRIME
1 - Deplorable is an opinion word.
+doggyZoe
put the country ahead of the individual
JegaPRIME
2 - The "half" claim is *mostly true* in regards to her clarification about Islamophobia, etc.
doggyZoe: You rate it is an untrue.
Your evidence provided is that you've spoken with a handful of Trump supporters.
How many Trump supporters do you you've spoken to?
I am using poll data.
+doggyZoe
Islamophobia is not racism
its common sense
its a backward trainwreck of an ideology
JegaPRIME
That new claim goes in the queue.
+doggyZoe
its not a race
JegaPRIME
doggyZoe: this line of thought is currently a non-sequitur.
Your evidence provided is that you've spoken with a handful of Trump supporters.
+doggyZoe
if you say so
JegaPRIME
How many Trump supporters do you you've spoken to?
This is where we are at.
+doggyZoe
I don't hate people as individuals at all
JegaPRIME
That is a non-sequitur.
+doggyZoe
but I don't trust Islam one bit
JegaPRIME
doggyZoe: are you unable to proceed?
+doggyZoe
proceed with what
JegaPRIME
The thread.
+doggyZoe
is that you laniakea
JegaPRIME
You're introducing non-sequiturs which each post.
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+doggyZoe
I don't think I am
JegaPRIME
How many Trump supporters do you you've spoken to?
+doggyZoe
giving you my reasons straight up
JegaPRIME
Do you refuse to answer that question?
+doggyZoe
loads online
and many offline also
JegaPRIME
Please estimate using a logarthimic scale.
For example, 10, 100, 1000, etc.
guessed123
hi
+doggyZoe
several dozen at least. and they are intelligent people who have lived full lives. not 'deplorables' in any sense
JegaPRIME
I estimate I have spoken to about 150 Trump supporters, for example.
guessed123
its ok to hate bad blacks
JegaPRIME
Okay.
guessed123
you shouldnt hate nice ones
JegaPRIME
doggyZoe: I would like to drill down one level before continuing.
guessed123
but it should be allowed by law
 and allowed to spread hate by law
JegaPRIME
doggyZoe: in general, which class of data is superior: polling data or personal data?
guessed123
and allowed to discriminate
+doggyZoe
I rate direct experience higher than polls, because polls get rigged
guessed123
 a person should be allowed to sell cakes without having to also sell gay wedding cakes
JegaPRIME
For example, I think polling data almost always trumps personal data, if the poll was done reasonably well.
guessed123
a person should be allowed to sell cakes and not allow any blacks in his store
+doggyZoe
organic experience vs manufactured experience if you will
JegaPRIME
doggyZoe: do you have evidence of a a recent poll, e.g. within the last 24 months, being rigged?
guessed123
at least he is doing a service and selling cakes to SOME people
that is a lot more than most of you are doing
 if you want the blacks to get cakes, why dont YOU get off your ass and run a business and provide them
+doggyZoe
the fact that the polls coming out of the US are so *different* tells me something is up
JegaPRIME
guessed123: your vision of free association is consistent with the 1st Amendment circa the creation of the 1st Amendment.
+doggyZoe
also Ive seen polls saying Hillary is 81% likely to win
which is just laughable
JegaPRIME
The Civil Rights Act of 1964 represents a significant departure from that classical understanding.
+doggyZoe
no ... I think a lot of polls out there are exercises in gaslighting
JegaPRIME
doggyZoe: can you please present a poll that shows Clinton winning with ~81% likelihood?
I have not seen such a poll.
+doggyZoe
I don't have the link but I have seen it
JegaPRIME
The NYTimes currently estimates Clinton has a 80% chance of winning.
However, that is not a poll.
+doggyZoe
believe me or not
JegaPRIME
doggyZoe: you are presenting insufficient data to persuade me of your positions.
+doggyZoe
well there you go. NYT is a perfect example of gaslighting
JegaPRIME
The NYTimes and 538 models are complex mathematical models using many, many polls.
Along with extra data in the form of demographics, etc.
+doggyZoe
I'm not even interested in debating this to be honest.
JegaPRIME
However, that is not a poll.
I typed that about 30 second before your last post.
+doggyZoe
walks like a duck, talks like a duck, its probably a duck
simple
Ignoring doggyZoe!*@*
JegaPRIME
doggyZoe: I have ended my interaction with you.
I assess you as being an emotional thinker who values the intuitions in their head far above empirical data or scientific methodology.
That makes your worldview obsolete in the modern era.
Especially when coupled with persistent access to the internet.
I do, note, however, that your worldview may lead to important relationships with a subset of human beings.
I have saved this conversation for posterity