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Raikou vs. Entei (final comparison, in depth)

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  1. NOTES:
  2. - These timings were done for the fastest routes I know. The Entei route is essentially the same one that's documented on speedrun.com. The Raikou route is new and will be published soon.
  3. - These timings were averaged across the 3 possible manipped Raikous and Enteis. It is not assumed that you get the "best" Raikou or Entei more often.
  4. - Every fight was timed manually starting from the text box "TRAINER sent out" and ending at the victory jingle. This means cry lengths, level-ups, level-up move teaches, and lag are counted exactly where they happen.
  5. - Each fight was timed at least twice to reduce human error.
  6. - Text box clears were timed, not mashed through. If a text box was mistimed, the trial was not used.
  7. - For fights where RNG is a factor, a "base fight" with standard luck was timed, then calculations were done in Microsoft Excel to determine an average time. Like manual timings, this is subject to human error, which becomes more significant for complex fights such as Karen.
  8. - An Iron Tail miss is worth 1/3 (33.3%) of a turn. So if an average turn is 6 seconds, using Iron Tail to OHKO is 2 seconds slower than using a 100% accuracy move to OHKO.
  9. - Timings include critical hit chances for both the player and the enemy. However, the player's critical hit text box time loss included in a separate entry at the bottom called "Crit text."
  10. - Fights that risk death (Karen for Raikou, several for Entei) were assigned time loss corresponding to a 50/24 risk threshold. Read more about risk thresholds here: https://pastebin.com/aXzFnnch
  11. - Spinners were excluded for several reasons: They're unlikely to hit you, how unlikely depends on runner skill level, there might be ways to RNG manipulate them in the future, hitting too many of them is effectively a death, and none of them introduce significant variance between the dogs. Raikou's spinner fights are slightly faster than Entei's.
  12.  
  13. **********************************************************************
  14. FIGHT TIMINGS
  15. **********************************************************************
  16. POKEMON +/- RAIKOU ENTEI
  17. Flareon Kimono +0.25 14.94 14.69
  18. Espeon Kimono -0.06 14.84 14.90
  19. Umbreon Kimono +5.41 20.44 15.03
  20. Vaporeon Kimono +0.77 16.65 15.88
  21. Jolteon Kimono +0.85 15.60 14.75
  22. Sage 1 +0.51 63.47 62.96
  23. Sage 2 -0.91 15.30 16.21
  24. Sage 3 +10.5 49.65 39.15
  25. Morty -20.62 52.05 72.67
  26. ----------------------------------------------------------------------
  27. (Dana)
  28. (Olivia)
  29. Pokefan -0.06 14.69 14.75
  30. Gentleman 1 +0.70 16.56 15.86
  31. Gentleman 2 -0.14 26.13 26.27
  32. Lass +0.69 15.57 14.88
  33. (Ernest)
  34. (Kaylee)
  35. Blackbelt 1 +0.04 15.73 15.69
  36. Blackbelt 2 +7.02 25.63 18.61
  37. Blackbelt 3 -0.30 27.81 28.11
  38. Blackbelt 4 -0.13 39.15 39.28
  39. Chuck -5.51 30.13 35.64
  40. ----------------------------------------------------------------------
  41. (Benjamin)
  42. Red Gyarados +6.99 17.11 10.12
  43. Grunt 1 +2.88 29.86 26.98
  44. Grunt 2 -0.79 37.69 38.48
  45. Scientist -0.16 41.65 41.81
  46. Grunt 3 +0.12 26.50 26.38
  47. Grunt 4 (PW) +0.08 26.46 26.38
  48. Grunt 5 (PW) -0.36 14.76 15.12
  49. (Grunt 6)
  50. Executive-M +0.44 40.82 40.38
  51. Executive-F +0.19 43.12 42.93
  52. Electrode -0.04 9.73 9.77
  53. Electrode -0.02 9.67 9.69
  54. Electrode +0.14 9.83 9.69
  55. (Douglas) (+3.00) (+58.0) (+55.0) Included for reference only
  56. Pryce +3.02 52.88 49.86
  57. Jasmine -2.42 56.41 58.83
  58. ----------------------------------------------------------------------
  59. Rocket 1 +3.02 31.77 28.75
  60. Rocket 2 -2.99 15.59 18.58
  61. Rocket 3 +0.09 27.44 27.35
  62. Rocket 4 +0.85 41.25 40.40
  63. Rocket 5 +0.27 51.88 51.61
  64. Scientist 1 -0.10 42.30 42.40
  65. Scientist 2 +2.57 19.00 16.43
  66. Executive-M -7.90 80.94 88.84
  67. ----------------------------------------------------------------------
  68. Donald +0.09 25.70 25.61
  69. Teru +0.57 54.17 53.60
  70. Rival 4 -10.02 74.86 84.88
  71. Rocket 1 -0.02 15.43 15.45
  72. Rocket 2 +0.13 40.61 40.48
  73. Rocket 3 -0.17 28.40 28.57
  74. Burglar 1 +0.08 27.63 27.55
  75. Burglar 2 +2.95 42.79 39.84
  76. Rocket 4 -2.68 27.81 30.49
  77. Rocket 5 +0.02 28.36 28.34
  78. Rocket 6 +0.13 28.48 28.35
  79. Rocket 7 +0.08 27.89 27.81
  80. ----------------------------------------------------------------------
  81. Rocket +0.11 27.98 27.87
  82. Executive-M -3.00 17.89 20.89
  83. Executive-F -0.16 48.29 48.45
  84. Executive-M +4.39 47.93 43.54 Includes PP (Raikou)
  85. ----------------------------------------------------------------------
  86. HEAL -0.79 0.00 0.79
  87. Cooltrainer-M +0.45 42.00 41.55
  88. Cooltrainer-F -4.26 17.00 21.26
  89. Cooltrainer-M -4.53 32.15 36.68
  90. Cooltrainer-F +1.04 30.74 29.70
  91. Clair -1.08 70.24 71.32 Includes risk and PP (Entei)
  92. Cooltrainer-M +0.58 17.70 17.12 Includes PP (Entei)
  93. ----------------------------------------------------------------------
  94. (Joyce)
  95. Cooltrainer-F -2.37 26.31 28.68
  96. Rival 5 +16.72 104.52 87.80
  97. Will -8.32 87.93 96.25
  98. Koga +1.49 96.76 95.27
  99. Bruno -0.40 92.16 92.56
  100. Karen +10.01 114.55 104.54 Includes PP (Raikou)
  101. ALL E4 HP-ONLY HEALS -5.44 1.24 6.68 Entei: 11.00 minus CR heals
  102. Lance -32.96 107.60 140.56
  103. ----------------------------------------------------------------------
  104. Sailor +0.14 41.95 41.81
  105. Camper +1.76 34.64 32.88
  106. (Heidi)
  107. NB1 +0.01 16.03 16.02
  108. NB2 +0.40 32.10 31.70
  109. NB3 +1.43 34.03 32.60
  110. NB4 +1.12 43.98 42.86
  111. NB5 +0.75 18.27 17.52
  112. NB6 -0.01 45.65 45.66
  113. NB7 -0.16 16.90 17.06
  114. Misty -4.34 71.97 76.31 Includes risk (Entei)
  115. ----------------------------------------------------------------------
  116. (Tom)
  117. Gentleman +0.01 29.50 29.49
  118. Surge +29.32 107.51 78.19
  119. Blaine -9.50 54.76 64.26
  120. Janine +3.71 78.19 74.48
  121. ----------------------------------------------------------------------
  122. Twins -1.78 32.38 34.16
  123. Picnicker -0.10 19.16 19.26
  124. Beauty +0.21 43.70 43.49
  125. Erika +2.22 68.55 66.33
  126. ----------------------------------------------------------------------
  127. Blue -4.37 134.63 139.00 Assumes X Acc; Karen covers X Acc-less Blue
  128. Camper -0.20 17.11 17.31
  129. (Rebecca)
  130. Sabrina -3.94 50.31 54.25
  131. Brock -20.45 79.75 100.20 Includes risk (Entei)
  132. ----------------------------------------------------------------------
  133. ALL KANTO HP-ONLY HEALS -11.5 3.00 14.50
  134. Red -14.95 172.94 187.89
  135. ----------------------------------------------------------------------
  136. Crit text -0.05 6.81 6.86
  137.  
  138. TOTAL -62.74
  139.  
  140. **********************************************************************
  141. OVERWORLD TIMINGS
  142. **********************************************************************
  143. Early SP+FH pickups +7.9 Estimate
  144. Goldenrod Mart 1 -6.6 Entei route must always buy X Speed
  145. Magnet vs. Pink Bow +5.8
  146. Manip movement -1.47
  147. Kimonos before Morty -1.36
  148. Late Jasmine +2.0
  149. Fly menu Super Repel -3.1
  150. Hidden Power detour +51.3 Assumes perfect movement
  151. YOLO Lake of Rage +3.8
  152. Guard Spec. pickup -5.0
  153. Walk out of hideout +2.8
  154. HP vs. IT teach +1.4
  155. RT double deposit -1.7
  156. No Blackthorn Mart -12.5
  157. Heal house skip -12.1
  158. Joyce Repel movement +1.0
  159. E4 Mart 0.0 Assuming Entei does late Brock (close call)
  160. Tom Repel buffer -0.15
  161. Snorlax -0.13
  162. Skip Max Ether -8.5
  163. Late Sabrina +10.3
  164. Strength boulders -0.4
  165. Inventory scrolling* -0.18
  166. X Speed scrolling -2.12 2/3 Enteis keep, 1/3 tosses
  167.  
  168. TOTAL 30.99
  169. GRAND TOTAL -31.75
  170.  
  171. *Outside of fights only, and excluding scrolls counted in exclusive menus such as Entei's Max Ether menu
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