Mik vs Crim, Mik wins 2-1

CRIM VS MIK:

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ALITA VS MAGNETO:

Bruh why you making me read this, should’ve conceded

Ok after reading all of it:

Crim surprisingly provided evidence that Alita… isn’t actually metal. Or at least not a known metal element.

Turns out that Alita is made of alien nanocells that can change their nature on an atomic level, and this is so far fucking removed from any metals we know that I really don’t see Magneto controlling them, since I don’t think Magneto controlling extraterrestrial-metamorphosing-on-atomic-level material was shown - and to assume that he CAN control them just because they look like metal (when they are explicitly alien nanotech that transforms atomically) is nothing but a huge leap of faith.

The scan Crim posted of metal not being mentioned is, as he pointed out, the official translation (as evidenced by the translated onomatopoeias), unlike the one Mik used as proof. As it stands it would feel like I’m unfairly favoring Magneto if I bought the assumption that he can, indeed, control whatever alien-shittery Alita is made of, just because it’s shiny.

BUT

Alita still has a chip that clearly works like normal technology, which Magneto can c a s u a l l y interact with - and by interact I mean destroy it, erase it, go magnet-near-hdd on it. And he does seem to do it quite frequently. So, I guess Mik is correct that Magneto simply wipes out Alita’s brain. And the physicals between them are not on Alita’s favor enough to make it a stomp for Alita before Magneto thinks of wiping her brain out of existence, since, again, he’s very willing to do it - especially on such a metallic-looking opponent.

MAGNETO WINS but not for the reasons you’d think.

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KILLER BEE VS HULK:

Crim’s R1:

* Bee strong, Bee’s piercing even stronger, and Bee is durable. Plus Bee has chakra cloak.
* Win con is “Bee slashes Hulk apart with his 8 swords” basically.

-Not much for me to dissect or judge here, pretty straight forward. This is a fine first response even if perhaps a bit too short and wobbly. Could have used a more well-crafted win-con. Still, it establishes Bee’s physicals and abilities, with a lot of focus on his piercing power. Slicing through rocks and metal seems like good piercing.

Mik’s R1:

* Chakra cloak takes time to activate and his plateau-destroying tackle took wind-up. Hulk does better with less wind-up - while I buy the chakra cloak argument so far, I’m not entirely sure why Hulk’s skyscraper feat is actually more impressive than Bee’s plateau feat; Mik could have definitely elaborated on that by giving a frame of reference for either feat, as I don’t think the skyscraper one is inherently more impressive.
* Bee’s durability is a hit that destroys unknown amount of rock and Bee recovering in an unknown amount of time - while I don’t think that’s a bad argument, it’s weird to use it while simultaneously going “Hulk also recovered from the giant crater my opponent cited”, when, as Crim argued, it’s basically what Bee did; he recovered from the giant crater cited.
* “To put a point on the comparisons, look at Bee's feat where people right by ground zero remain on the ground and Hulk's where cars are sent flying” is a good argument. The cars flying definitely give more weight to Hulk’s feat.
* “My opponent is employing deceptive tactics” lmao chill
* Hulk’s piercing durability is too good cause basically he tanks tanks rounds - I’m no tanks expert to know how analogous a tank projectile is to a super-sharp blade, but it will stand up as long as Crim doesn't counter it the way he should
* Win-con: Hulk smashes

-Mik follows a good route by putting Bee’s physical feats into question, albeit with some suboptimal arguments here and there. I didn’t come out of this response thinking “wow Hulk is definitely stronger and can overcome Bee’s durability” because I don’t see why Hulk’s strength feats are actually more impressive than Bee’s strength/durability, and Mik made no effort to quantify it. I did, however, came out of it thinking “hm maybe Bee can’t hurt Hulk”.

Crim’s R2:

* “The Skyscrapper was damaged rather signficantly prior to Hulk's feat furthermore Hulk's feats involves are structure that is composed of significant more empty space than Killer Bee's. Killer Destroying a plateau which is composed or primarily compact materials. Every meter Killer Bee dug through required exponentially more energy than that last” these are good arguments and basically what I had in mind (and the main reason I didn’t buy Hulk’s skyscraper feat being inherently more impressive).
* Crim somewhat counters the “Bee’s cloak takes time” argument with an out-of-context scan, which is somewhat sufficient. The cloak still takes a vague amount of time to activate, but it doesn’t seem to be meaningfully long.
* “There are boulders large as car being flung dozens of meters [in Bee’s durability feat]” is a good argument.
* “bullets behave differently from swords” fair
* “larger arms just means that each of his strikes do less damage as the force is spread out over a larger surface area” omega brain

-This is definitely a good response if not, again, lackluster when it comes to elaborating on certain points. However, as it stands, Crim is completely right in calling out Mik’s counterarguments regarding Bee’s strength and Hulk’s supposed physicals advantage. Furthermore, I didn’t initially entirely buy the whole tanks tanks rounds argument (as I said), as sharp blades are very different from big-ass projectiles that rely on speed and power to pierce things.

Mik’s R2:

* I’m too tired for individual analysis of each points so I’ll read it all and do my final verdict. Hit me up in chat if you wanna know what I thought about certain arguments.

VERDICT: this is an actually tough one. Ultimately, I just can’t see the inherent physical advantage Hulk supposedly has based on all of the feats he was shown (the Thor one certainly seems to be overshadowed by Bee’s where car-sized boulders are sent flying as Crim argued; the skyscraper one manages to be more vague than the plateau one, specially since the skyscraper was already heavily damaged; the cratering rocks while smacking down his opponent one was barely given any context or frame of reference by Mik, idk the size of those rocks). Furthermore, Hulk’s piercing durability is exclusively based on Hulk tanking huge projectiles that rely on their mass and power to pierce through materials, while sharp swords really don’t (even though Crim argued this in a very mediocre way). While I don’t think Bee would be cutting Hulk like butter, I also doubt Hulk would be immune to Bee’s blades, since they did cut giant rocks cleanly - and, as Crim pointed out, there are 8 blades, so it's a lotta blades to cut with. The battle also doesn’t end so quickly that Bee won’t be able to activate his cloak, since, again, I don’t see Hulk’s physical advantage. Plus, Bee’s plateau-destroying-tackle is literally just a tackle, so not that much wind-up in it. Bee's durability is also fine, with a feat very similar to the feat that Mik used in favor of Hulk, strangely enough; Bee clearly takes no damage from that thing.

Overall this isn’t a stomp by any means. A 51/49 battle if you may. I could easily see Hulk winning had Mik done a better job at quantifying Hulk’s physical feats, putting emphasis on WHY they are as good as he makes them sound, and why they are better than Bee’s other than “they just are”.

KILLER BEE WINS.

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YUMA VS THOR

Still too tired for individual analysis of each points so I’ll read it all and do my final verdict. Hit me up in chat if you wanna know what I thought about certain arguments.

VERDICT: Yuma is a fucking headache. This is basically Narutospeak but somehow worse because this isn’t Naruto. Crim did a fine job, however, at simplifying it to us mortals. Still, lots of seals and shit that could have, at least, been better laid out and formatted, since they were all presented in a single paragraph subsequently.

As for the actual battle, I think the following statement by Mik sums it up well:

“Yuma's every strength feat proposed involved him needing to stop and amp himself. Starting the battle to decide which of several seals is not smart for a character one shot by lightning.”

While I don’t necessarily think Thor will start with lightning right away, he’ll absolutely use it before he is taken down, especially because there isn’t really a significant physical gap between the two characters.

In fact, if you asked me to point out which one is physically stronger, I don’t think I could - namely because of Yuma’s amps which make his strength vaguely >destroying multiple houses/sending objects through large buildings. In fact Yuma is pretty fucking strong (even if through a couple layers of scaling). But so is Thor.

Problem is, Yuma factually can’t resist Thor’s lightning. No feats in such sense were presented. Crim knows that, which is why he:

1. said Thor won’t open up with lightning
2. said the lightning can be shielded from/blocked

While these two are mildly valid, they don’t hold true for an extended battle. Yuma might shield himself from a small strike or two if he gets lucky, Thor might not open up with lightning. But Yuma can’t win fast enough to avoid that from happening. Lightning is such a massive fucking AOE and easy access for Thor that he will use it as a win con. He’s fucking Thor afterall.

THOR WINS with a combination of strong fists and lightning that will toast Yuma.

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MIKHAIL WINS 2-1